F*ck you, you miserable prick. I don't play World of Warc*cks, but even I know it's inhabited by crude, idiotic dipsh*ts that are either over thirty or under twelve for 90% of the population. What did your monthly fee do there?
Seeing as it's not a stupid MMORPG and since Battle.net isn't a constant 3D environment, it would be cheating us out of our cash for even $5 a day. And they'll release one expansion pack, at the most and then a couple of patches every few months, just like D2. Everything worked out fine.
It's not as addictive and not as life-sucking as WoW. People who play D2 usually have a life and if they had to pay a monthly fee they'd be so ticked because most of that time wouldn't be dedicated to D3 - it'd be to banging hookers and playing blackjack.
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I played Diablo II in elementary school and got along with people in their twenties just fine. Not all children are arrogant, snot-nosed brats.
For that matter, not all adults make for mature and friendly party members. I know plenty of adults who revert to children whenever they get in fromt of a keyboard, and have experienced plenty of abuse from (supposed) adults while playing Diablo II.
ill pay monthly fee only if they promise no idiotic hackers/cheaters forever, just like what D2 went through ala naked characters who just massacre everyone including other players, and with that if they promise that their will be no trainers/mods for a person. that should be your 1st reason then the children and updates, however i totally agree with what your sayiing, in the end its lizzards choice, they ddint go wrong doing it for WoW (just look at the community) so they to themselves think that they have every right to charge us players if they want
I would willingly pay a monthly fee (even if I had to sell crack to the little kids that so often ruined my games.:P) They could also make the game so graphic no parent would buy it for kids ^ ^, i have no problems with this idea either. :thumbsup:
I personally am a long time Diablo fan, bought diablo1 within a week of its release date, now I have 2 kids, and trust me they won't be playing diablo untill they are at least 15. but not all parents care as much about what thier kids see/do and kids will be kids. unfortunaly immaturaty is part of being a kid.
:offtopic:Duping ruined D2 before LoD even came out (i still played it but it was a just a shell of what it was before) I put it in another post I jacked a hacker out of nearly 200soj's, he filled up my stash my inventory and bout 3 other chars, might have been more than 200, I know I pimped all my chars out and borrowed a few slots on my friends acc to put sojs in. seriously hackers will ruin a game within months of its release date.
Modererators would be a good idea, but we might have to pay for those. (I would)
IP Ban hackers, then let them buy the game again just to realize they only have single player available to them.
just banning them won't solve much since alot of them will sell thier hacked items on E-bay and easily make the money to rebuy the game and dupe some more.
well thats my 2 cents... im abit buzzed now so if there are any typos please forgive me. if you dont agree with me thats quite all right this is only my opinion, and as we all know opinions are like ass holes, Every one has one.
Making people pay to play diablo III would make the game unnatractive. Right now, what people need is a good, and free game. If we had to pay for d3, i would still play but i'd have to ask my mom, and im 18. I dont want that to happen.
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For that matter, not all adults make for mature and friendly party members. I know plenty of adults who revert to children whenever they get in fromt of a keyboard, and have experienced plenty of abuse from (supposed) adults while playing Diablo II.
When my brother was 16 he met a 10 year old boy at sc, then they switched to d2, then to WoW. Right now hes 15 years old, but he has done more things in life than i did. I must tell that he is the best rogue at PVP on the server, that guy is serious business.
I remember when i was young too, i used to be addicted to d2lod... I was really really good, and i was like 13 years old. Age has nothing to do with skills, trust me on that one.
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I been lurcking around this forum for about a week and finally registered. I just wanted to add my thoughts in about this. Read before you flame please.
There are many reasons I would like there to be a monthly fee, or at least wouldn't mind it.
1. Keep the kiddies out. I am tired of 14 year old punks ruining my gaming experience. With a monthly fee, that is payable by credit card not game card, it would get rid of a lot of immaturity and would result in a better game. The game is rated M for a reason. Go watch your bob the builder and leave the gaming to the adults, thanks.
2. If blizzard plans to regularly update this game like wow, then I don't mind one bit paying for the content. It would give extra money to blizz for new enhancements and whatnot. We were all complaining about how d2 hardly ever got updated. Well, why should they when they have no reason incentive to. Added levels, bosses, items, bug fixes, and world events is way worth the cost to me.
There are many other reason however those are the main two.
Also, something else i thought of. Let say they start out with a fee of 5-10 dollars a month. Thats cheap as hell. However, every time you are caught using a hack, cheat, or exploit they raise that price 5 dollars. It would be a incentive not to cheat because it would start effecting the wallet.
Lastly, to the people who say they they cant afford a monthly payment. Honestly, if you cant afford 15 bucks max a month then you really need to get a better job or something and not play games. Im sorry, but if you are struggling to pay that small ammount of money you have other issues.
Bring your lunch to work 3 days a MONTH and save that money.
Dont spend 19 bucks at the movies and have that money.
Dont buy a case of beer and you can have the money.
If you are responsible with it you can easily find extra money.
Well thats my two cents, flame on.
As a WoW player I can tell you that everything you said is just wrong. WoW has plenty of kids playing, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are immature or rude, in fact, most aren't. They won't scam your items, or act immaturely towards you, because the game encourages group play, being rude won't make you many friends in return.
Also, adults have the same capacity to be as rude or immature as kids. The main point to be made is as long as the game emphasizes cooperative play, like how WoW does, you won't meet many rude or immature players in game.
On your second point, all of Blizzard's games get patched regardless of whether it is paid to play or not. Look at WC3 for example, its on 1.22 at the moment, thats 22 patches. Compare that to TBC, which has gotten only 4 patches since its release, about 1.5 years ago.
lets just say that weather or not your 10 years old or 98 years old, you can be immature and rude, but if you can get your Account banned for acting like a jack ass... you might think twice about doing it. chances are if you dont and you generally go around calling people racist slurs because you just learned a new word or becuase you really are just that ignorant you'll be getting your acc banned.
When you pay for a game you get moderators, updates - that prevent hacks, Cheating, ect ect ect.
like i stated before i would be more than happy to pay for D3, if it kept the game clean (no dupes/hacks/General ass's) and fun.
but even if its not pay to play and the cheaters/hackers do ruin the online bit of the game i'll still play through it, even if i means doing it on single player. and i'll probably do it over and over and over.
One of the most important aspects of the Diablo universe is the ability for players to play online on Bnet. Most in fact play for the primary purpose of interacting and adventuring on the free network. This is probably why Blizzard will not institute monthly fees games that utilize this model, it would be against their best interests. Here's why.
If Bnet were to suddenly charge players on a monthly basis, a good portion of players will not even bother with Bnet gaming. The only thing they would have left is single-player or direct TCPIP multiplayer. It is important to also consider the makeup of these players. A huge portion of them are young and extremely resourceful. With the only viable reason for replayable gaming taken away, it would not take them much to reason their way out of purchasing the game from stores, and finding their way through pirate torrent sites. Afterall, it's 'just' single-player, it's not worth hauling ones behind over for it. Thus, players loses out and Blizzard loses out. No one gets to drink Ovaltine.
The model works today because Blizzard provides these players with an incentive to purchase legitimate copies of their games. If they don't have a valid server-confirmed CDKEY, they won't be able to participate in the goodies found on Bnet. Players thus have a very good reason for going out and buying the box. Smacktalking on ones own isn't nearly as fun as doing it in somebodys face. Blizzard lines their pockets, and all is well in the world with everyone enjoying a hot Ovaltine beverage.
battle.net for D3 wont take as much maintainance as a game like guildwars does... and guildwars is free. there really isnt any need to pay monthly for an instanced RPG, thats just how it is sorry people. Blizzard knows they woulnt sell NEAR as many copies if they tried to charge for battle.net
I mean can anyone name any legit non-MMO PC games that are pay to play? i wouldn't know because i would never pay to play unless it's an absolutely totally immersive MMO (preferably RPG) game
I would love a monthly fee to get these raging lunatic Diablo fans to stop whining and bitching, specifically the people who are crying about the artistic direction.
1. Keep the kiddies out. I am tired of 14 year old punks ruining my gaming experience.
I keep the kiddies out by playing with my friends on a passworded game. If I play with strangers, I either take the good with the bad or I go get my friends.
2. If blizzard plans to regularly update this game like wow, then I don't mind one bit paying for the content. It would give extra money to blizz for new enhancements and whatnot.
This I can sort of agree with, sort of. However I'd rather it be like Guild Wars, where it is free monthly but releases an "expansion" every few months for new content. I'd buy that.
As for monthly fee: No, I don't agree. There's better ways of doing it, especially for new content. Look at other games and how they do it.
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blizzard would hafta be complete financial idiots to make battle.net pay to play. they would be forcing a considerable portion of their markets to choose which blizzard game to play, creating unnecessary competition
"hmm i want to play WoW and D3, but i cant afford the monthly fee for both"
under the philosophy of some people on this thread they should probably just charge to play SC2 online as well. seems like quite the slippery slope we have here
all that this would do is force an even larger portion of their blizzard-faithful market to choose which games to play... when many would buy and play all 3 at once if they are free on battle.net.
WTH? hell NO!
ii dont want to pay every month. Are you crazy?
Diablo 3 is going to release not only in US, so keep in mind that other countries will have to pay too, and no doubt they will complain about this idea.
And diablo franchise is successfull enough to keep it as it always was
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I been lurcking around this forum for about a week and finally registered. I just wanted to add my thoughts in about this. Read before you flame please.
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1. Keep the kiddies out. I am tired of 14 year old punks ruining my gaming experience. With a monthly fee, that is payable by credit card not game card, it would get rid of a lot of immaturity and would result in a better game. The game is rated M for a reason. Go watch your bob the builder and leave the gaming to the adults, thanks.
Very untrue... I've played many MMO's that required you to pay with a credit card. In most of them I've ran into annoying kids, either playing their parents account, or who have parents who don't give a crap about letting them use their credit card. Adding a monthly payment to keep immature children out of games doesn't work. People who preach it as a reason to have a monthly fee over look the fact that if parents are going to buy Wii's off e-bay for $500 for their kids for christmas... than parents will let their kids use 15 dollars off their credit card every month to play a game they know nothing about.
Fact.
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2. If blizzard plans to regularly update this game like wow, then I don't mind one bit paying for the content. It would give extra money to blizz for new enhancements and whatnot. We were all complaining about how d2 hardly ever got updated. Well, why should they when they have no reason incentive to. Added levels, bosses, items, bug fixes, and world events is way worth the cost to me.
Blizzard has the uncanny ability to complete a game and make it solid once launched. After this they will tweak the game until nothing else is truely needed. Now... as long as Diablo 3 sells, they will update it. They will patch it until no glitches (major atleast) remain, and as long as people play it they will be able to pull money from advertisements or from expansions. And Diablo 2 didn't hardly get updated. Firstly it didn't need updated in the beginning, then a year later they added a patch that added new runewords and new things of that sort. Then after that they added the Synergy patch and then another patch with even more runewords and other content, new monsters and new unique items. Sure they didn't do a lot of little updates, but their updates were large and very well thought out.
Lastly... Diablo 2 and Diablo 1 were so popular because you could play online with your friends for absolutely free. That's why they sold so well after the first year. The online play was so expansive, and it was free! MMO's die because people realise they're spending money for nothing... that is completely true. I'd rather buy a case of bear and hang with some friends playing a lan of Diablo 2 than pay 15 dollars to play Diablo 3. Hell... with 4 of us that would be 60 dollars to play together... when it would only cost of 2 dollars a pop to buy a case of bear and play Diablo 2. Look at how that works...
Hell... if they charge for Diablo 3 I'll buy it. Beat it... and then play Diablo 2 online. Nuff said.
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Also, something else i thought of. Let say they start out with a fee of 5-10 dollars a month. Thats cheap as hell. However, every time you are caught using a hack, cheat, or exploit they raise that price 5 dollars. It would be a incentive not to cheat because it would start effecting the wallet.
No it won't... I'm sorry but there are people out there who get off on just beating the system by cheating. They're always there.. no matter what.
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Well thats my two cents, flame on.
See I didn't flame you... I just brought up points... good ones.
Monthly fee's are bullshit anyways. 95% of the money that they recieve goes into their coffers... not the developement of the game. If you truely believe that Blizzard spends $150,000,000 on developement for World of Warcraft every month... than you sir... are a fool.
Wow has 10 million subscribers, that means they must have sold atleast 10 million copies of the game itself. Now they sometimes have sales for the game as low as 14.99 just for the base World of Warcraft without any expansions. But lets round the amount people bought it for to a nice even 30 dollars. That's 300,000,000 Dollars alone from World of Warcraft sales. I'm sure it's a crapload more money than that... but i'm going for a very very very low estimate. Now... WoW has 10 million subscribers.. like I said. That's 150,000,000 Dollars a month. Give or take a million, but still... that's a shit load of money.
What I'm getting at?
Blizzard has not spent 450,000,000 on developing WoW... however... all the blizzard and Vivendi CEOs are driving Ferrari's.... because 10 million people are retarded.
This is why Captain Planet failed... this is why...
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Seeing as it's not a stupid MMORPG and since Battle.net isn't a constant 3D environment, it would be cheating us out of our cash for even $5 a day. And they'll release one expansion pack, at the most and then a couple of patches every few months, just like D2. Everything worked out fine.
It's not as addictive and not as life-sucking as WoW. People who play D2 usually have a life and if they had to pay a monthly fee they'd be so ticked because most of that time wouldn't be dedicated to D3 - it'd be to banging hookers and playing blackjack.
For that matter, not all adults make for mature and friendly party members. I know plenty of adults who revert to children whenever they get in fromt of a keyboard, and have experienced plenty of abuse from (supposed) adults while playing Diablo II.
I personally am a long time Diablo fan, bought diablo1 within a week of its release date, now I have 2 kids, and trust me they won't be playing diablo untill they are at least 15. but not all parents care as much about what thier kids see/do and kids will be kids. unfortunaly immaturaty is part of being a kid.
:offtopic:Duping ruined D2 before LoD even came out (i still played it but it was a just a shell of what it was before) I put it in another post I jacked a hacker out of nearly 200soj's, he filled up my stash my inventory and bout 3 other chars, might have been more than 200, I know I pimped all my chars out and borrowed a few slots on my friends acc to put sojs in. seriously hackers will ruin a game within months of its release date.
Modererators would be a good idea, but we might have to pay for those. (I would)
IP Ban hackers, then let them buy the game again just to realize they only have single player available to them.
just banning them won't solve much since alot of them will sell thier hacked items on E-bay and easily make the money to rebuy the game and dupe some more.
well thats my 2 cents... im abit buzzed now so if there are any typos please forgive me. if you dont agree with me thats quite all right this is only my opinion, and as we all know opinions are like ass holes, Every one has one.
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When my brother was 16 he met a 10 year old boy at sc, then they switched to d2, then to WoW. Right now hes 15 years old, but he has done more things in life than i did. I must tell that he is the best rogue at PVP on the server, that guy is serious business.
I remember when i was young too, i used to be addicted to d2lod... I was really really good, and i was like 13 years old. Age has nothing to do with skills, trust me on that one.
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Also, adults have the same capacity to be as rude or immature as kids. The main point to be made is as long as the game emphasizes cooperative play, like how WoW does, you won't meet many rude or immature players in game.
On your second point, all of Blizzard's games get patched regardless of whether it is paid to play or not. Look at WC3 for example, its on 1.22 at the moment, thats 22 patches. Compare that to TBC, which has gotten only 4 patches since its release, about 1.5 years ago.
it's battle.net based-game and battle.net is free
childish people exists in every game. They have the ability to manipulate parents and use them to pay the monthy fee.
if parents can't educate well his kinds, do you think they can stop him to play diablo 3?
hahahahahahahaha!!! good joke.
When you pay for a game you get moderators, updates - that prevent hacks, Cheating, ect ect ect.
like i stated before i would be more than happy to pay for D3, if it kept the game clean (no dupes/hacks/General ass's) and fun.
but even if its not pay to play and the cheaters/hackers do ruin the online bit of the game i'll still play through it, even if i means doing it on single player. and i'll probably do it over and over and over.
If Bnet were to suddenly charge players on a monthly basis, a good portion of players will not even bother with Bnet gaming. The only thing they would have left is single-player or direct TCPIP multiplayer. It is important to also consider the makeup of these players. A huge portion of them are young and extremely resourceful. With the only viable reason for replayable gaming taken away, it would not take them much to reason their way out of purchasing the game from stores, and finding their way through pirate torrent sites. Afterall, it's 'just' single-player, it's not worth hauling ones behind over for it. Thus, players loses out and Blizzard loses out. No one gets to drink Ovaltine.
The model works today because Blizzard provides these players with an incentive to purchase legitimate copies of their games. If they don't have a valid server-confirmed CDKEY, they won't be able to participate in the goodies found on Bnet. Players thus have a very good reason for going out and buying the box. Smacktalking on ones own isn't nearly as fun as doing it in somebodys face. Blizzard lines their pockets, and all is well in the world with everyone enjoying a hot Ovaltine beverage.
I mean can anyone name any legit non-MMO PC games that are pay to play? i wouldn't know because i would never pay to play unless it's an absolutely totally immersive MMO (preferably RPG) game
I keep the kiddies out by playing with my friends on a passworded game. If I play with strangers, I either take the good with the bad or I go get my friends.
This I can sort of agree with, sort of. However I'd rather it be like Guild Wars, where it is free monthly but releases an "expansion" every few months for new content. I'd buy that.
As for monthly fee: No, I don't agree. There's better ways of doing it, especially for new content. Look at other games and how they do it.
"hmm i want to play WoW and D3, but i cant afford the monthly fee for both"
under the philosophy of some people on this thread they should probably just charge to play SC2 online as well. seems like quite the slippery slope we have here
all that this would do is force an even larger portion of their blizzard-faithful market to choose which games to play... when many would buy and play all 3 at once if they are free on battle.net.
yeah blizzard probably doesn't have enough money to provide frequent updates, am i right? they are so poor haha
ii dont want to pay every month. Are you crazy?
Diablo 3 is going to release not only in US, so keep in mind that other countries will have to pay too, and no doubt they will complain about this idea.
And diablo franchise is successfull enough to keep it as it always was
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Very untrue... I've played many MMO's that required you to pay with a credit card. In most of them I've ran into annoying kids, either playing their parents account, or who have parents who don't give a crap about letting them use their credit card. Adding a monthly payment to keep immature children out of games doesn't work. People who preach it as a reason to have a monthly fee over look the fact that if parents are going to buy Wii's off e-bay for $500 for their kids for christmas... than parents will let their kids use 15 dollars off their credit card every month to play a game they know nothing about.
Fact.
Blizzard has the uncanny ability to complete a game and make it solid once launched. After this they will tweak the game until nothing else is truely needed. Now... as long as Diablo 3 sells, they will update it. They will patch it until no glitches (major atleast) remain, and as long as people play it they will be able to pull money from advertisements or from expansions. And Diablo 2 didn't hardly get updated. Firstly it didn't need updated in the beginning, then a year later they added a patch that added new runewords and new things of that sort. Then after that they added the Synergy patch and then another patch with even more runewords and other content, new monsters and new unique items. Sure they didn't do a lot of little updates, but their updates were large and very well thought out.
Lastly... Diablo 2 and Diablo 1 were so popular because you could play online with your friends for absolutely free. That's why they sold so well after the first year. The online play was so expansive, and it was free! MMO's die because people realise they're spending money for nothing... that is completely true. I'd rather buy a case of bear and hang with some friends playing a lan of Diablo 2 than pay 15 dollars to play Diablo 3. Hell... with 4 of us that would be 60 dollars to play together... when it would only cost of 2 dollars a pop to buy a case of bear and play Diablo 2. Look at how that works...
Hell... if they charge for Diablo 3 I'll buy it. Beat it... and then play Diablo 2 online. Nuff said.
No it won't... I'm sorry but there are people out there who get off on just beating the system by cheating. They're always there.. no matter what.
See I didn't flame you... I just brought up points... good ones.
Monthly fee's are bullshit anyways. 95% of the money that they recieve goes into their coffers... not the developement of the game. If you truely believe that Blizzard spends $150,000,000 on developement for World of Warcraft every month... than you sir... are a fool.
Wow has 10 million subscribers, that means they must have sold atleast 10 million copies of the game itself. Now they sometimes have sales for the game as low as 14.99 just for the base World of Warcraft without any expansions. But lets round the amount people bought it for to a nice even 30 dollars. That's 300,000,000 Dollars alone from World of Warcraft sales. I'm sure it's a crapload more money than that... but i'm going for a very very very low estimate. Now... WoW has 10 million subscribers.. like I said. That's 150,000,000 Dollars a month. Give or take a million, but still... that's a shit load of money.
What I'm getting at?
Blizzard has not spent 450,000,000 on developing WoW... however... all the blizzard and Vivendi CEOs are driving Ferrari's.... because 10 million people are retarded.
This is why Captain Planet failed... this is why...