TABLE VII., Figure 6. In Figure 6 the letter a marks the center of eternity. The motion of the rays toward b, d, and c was the first divine manifestation and is symbolized by the equilateral triangle, b, d, c. The eternal world within the inner circle became manifest in the water (salt), the light (mercury), and the fire (sulphur) of the archetypal world, represented by the three circles (f, e, g) within the triangle of complete equality (h, i, k), which is in turn surrounded by the circle of the high throne. The circle f is named understanding; e, wisdom; g, reason. In circle i is the word Father; in circle h, Son; in circle k, Spirit. The seven outer circles are the seven spirits before the throne. The lower part of the figure is similar to Figures 53 and 54. The outer circles are the angelic world ending in the cognizable world of the Sons of God. Then comes the circle of the visible constellations and fixed stars; within this is the solar system with the sun as the center (l). Ungrund means the Abyss.
This was on the site where blitzer found his image:
A represents the Father Principle, F the divine outflow, G the point of influx into the twelve orders of spirits (probably Sagittarius). The letters H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, S, and T denote the sequential points of irradiations to each other; W and X, the World of the Sons of God; and B, C, D, and E, the World of Lucifer. This plate shows the universe after the descent of Lucifer into matter. According to von Welling, when Lucifer wanted to control power, the influx of the divine light instantly ceased.Lucifer's world (which later became the solar system), with all its legions of spirits (who in their essence were Schamayim) reflecting his ideas and inverting the divine light, was turned into darkness. Lucifer's Schamayim thereupon became a contracted disc, a tangible substance; and Chaos came into existence.
From this the E and B in the center seem to be interchangeable.
I highlighted some of the aspects I found interesting.
This was on the site where blitzer found his image:
A represents the Father Principle, F the divine outflow, G the point of influx into the twelve orders of spirits (probably Sagittarius). The letters H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, S, and T denote the sequential points of irradiations to each other; W and X, the World of the Sons of God; and B, C, D, and E, the World of Lucifer. This plate shows the universe after the descent of Lucifer into matter. According to von Welling, when Lucifer wanted to control power, the influx of the divine light instantly ceased.Lucifer's world (which later became the solar system), with all its legions of spirits (who in their essence were Schamayim) reflecting his ideas and inverting the divine light, was turned into darkness. Lucifer's Schamayim thereupon became a contracted disc, a tangible substance; and Chaos came into existence.
From this the E and B in the center seem to be interchangeable.
I highlighted some of the aspects I found interesting.
TABLE IV, Figure. 53. Figure 53 has been designated the symbolic tomb of Christian Rosencreutz. The upper circle is the first world--the Divine Sphere of God. The triangle in the center is the throne of God. The small circles at the points of the star symbolize the seven great Spirits before the throne, mentioned in the Book of Revelation, in the midst of which walks the Alpha and Omega--the Son of God. The central triangle contains three flames--the Divine Trinity. From the lowest of these flames proceeds the first divine outflow, shown by two parallel lines descending through the throne of Saturn (the Spirit Orifelis, through whom God manifested Himself). Passing through the boundary of the celestial universe and the 22 spheres of the lower system, the lines end at point B, the throne of Lucifer, in whom the divine outpouring is concentrated and reflected. From him the divine light irradiates in succession to d (Capricorn), e (Gemini), f (Libra), g (Taurus), h (Pisces), i (Aquarius), k (Cancer), l (Virgo), m (Aries), n (Leo), o (Scorpio), p (Sagittarius), thence back to d. The zodiacal circles represent twelve orders of great and beneficent Spirits, and the smaller circles within the ring of fixed stars mark the orbits of the sacred planets.
Well, in my opinion, this magic circle is just a bit of astrology thrown in to decorate. They do it all the time in games like this, like Satanic Pentagrams, symbols of all kinds (there were a lot on the concept art for Act IV- like the Egyptian eye and the Anhk (spell check)), and so forth. I don't think it really means anything. Since Diablo was designed about generic models from angels vs. demons RPG structures, which often have heavy influences from astrology and the occult, things like this are just common. That's my opinion.
Oh my GOD, do NOT start image scrapings! LOL! It means NOTHING! They only did that because stars are commonly used in the occult. It isn't some secret message from Blizzard.
not really irrelevant considering I didn't know those symbols lied within that image..., thanks for posting that Bro. I think we are getting close to piecing this mystery together..... don't stop....
Btw, welcome to the forum...Yoru, in the wise words of a decrepit elder "stay awhile and listen"
dub, there is no mystery. It's just filler art. If you've been with the Diablo crowd for any amount of time you should know that these image conspiracies never mean anything. It's all just garble from generic occult.
dub, there is no mystery. It's just filler art. If you've been with the Diablo crowd for any amount of time you should know that these image conspiracies never mean anything. It's all just garble from generic occult.
Did you derive this statement from something a Blizzard employee said, or is it your own opinion? Just curious....
Anything to keep my mind off playing the game (Diablo 3) and the much anticipated results I am awaiting from CERN (LHC) is something I am willing to investigate.
To clarify, I just want to know if that statement you made is based on facts or speculation.?? Thanks.
The "Ungrund" mustneeds first of all be understood as freedom, a freedom in the darkness. "Darum so hat sich der ewige freie Wille in Finsterniss, Pein und Quaal, sowohl auch durch die Finsterniss in Feuer und Lichte, und in ein Freudenreich eingefuehret, auf dass das Nichts in Etwas erkannt werde, und dass es ein Spiel habe in seinem Gegenwillen, dass ihm der freie Wille des Ungrundes im Grunde offenbar sei, denn ohne Boeses und Gutes moechte kein Grund sein"
TRANSLATION:
{"So therefore in the darkness doth the eternal free will have itself the pain and torment, just also as with the fire and light through the darkness, and it passes over into a kingdom of joy, so that the Nothing can be known as something, and that it should have a playing out in its opposition of wills, so that by it the free will of the Ungrund should have a ground upon which to manifest itself, for without the evil and the good it would have no ground upon which to be"}
"A freedom in the darkness", almost meaning to say, "god needs evil to exist, therefore it will always exist in the darkness, and it should be able to manifest itself"
Which it probably could not properly do with the destruction of the Worldstone at Mount Arreat.
Possibly this is why the heavens sent this fire ball??
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Ungrund = Wrongly "
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta35.htm
Look at my post (last post on this page) : http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16804&page=8
But this I don't think is. Systema der fungften bericht = System of the fifth message/script/...
It applies to Greek Astronomy very well, and seems to fit the image perfectly.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/sta/sta35.htm
A represents the Father Principle, F the divine outflow, G the point of influx into the twelve orders of spirits (probably Sagittarius). The letters H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P, Q, S, and T denote the sequential points of irradiations to each other; W and X, the World of the Sons of God; and B, C, D, and E, the World of Lucifer. This plate shows the universe after the descent of Lucifer into matter. According to von Welling, when Lucifer wanted to control power, the influx of the divine light instantly ceased. Lucifer's world (which later became the solar system), with all its legions of spirits (who in their essence were Schamayim) reflecting his ideas and inverting the divine light, was turned into darkness. Lucifer's Schamayim thereupon became a contracted disc, a tangible substance; and Chaos came into existence.
From this the E and B in the center seem to be interchangeable.
I highlighted some of the aspects I found interesting.
very interesting indeed.....
This one is (:
TABLE IV, Figure. 53. Figure 53 has been designated the symbolic tomb of Christian Rosencreutz. The upper circle is the first world--the Divine Sphere of God. The triangle in the center is the throne of God. The small circles at the points of the star symbolize the seven great Spirits before the throne, mentioned in the Book of Revelation, in the midst of which walks the Alpha and Omega--the Son of God. The central triangle contains three flames--the Divine Trinity. From the lowest of these flames proceeds the first divine outflow, shown by two parallel lines descending through the throne of Saturn (the Spirit Orifelis, through whom God manifested Himself). Passing through the boundary of the celestial universe and the 22 spheres of the lower system, the lines end at point B, the throne of Lucifer, in whom the divine outpouring is concentrated and reflected. From him the divine light irradiates in succession to d (Capricorn), e (Gemini), f (Libra), g (Taurus), h (Pisces), i (Aquarius), k (Cancer), l (Virgo), m (Aries), n (Leo), o (Scorpio), p (Sagittarius), thence back to d. The zodiacal circles represent twelve orders of great and beneficent Spirits, and the smaller circles within the ring of fixed stars mark the orbits of the sacred planets.
[edit] Hmm I see now, yea, the symbols
I think we are getting close to piecing this mystery together..... don't stop....
Btw, welcome to the forum...Yoru, in the wise words of a decrepit elder "stay awhile and listen"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zodiac_woodcut.png
So you don't wanna save me. =_(
Did you derive this statement from something a Blizzard employee said, or is it your own opinion? Just curious....
Anything to keep my mind off playing the game (Diablo 3) and the much anticipated results I am awaiting from CERN (LHC) is something I am willing to investigate.
To clarify, I just want to know if that statement you made is based on facts or speculation.?? Thanks.
I just stumbled upon this publication, referring to the "ungrund" in a sense I never thought of..... I got it from here http://www.berdyaev.com/berdiaev/berd_lib/1930_349.html#aa
Very interesting stuff I might add.
The "Ungrund" mustneeds first of all be understood as freedom, a freedom in the darkness. "Darum so hat sich der ewige freie Wille in Finsterniss, Pein und Quaal, sowohl auch durch die Finsterniss in Feuer und Lichte, und in ein Freudenreich eingefuehret, auf dass das Nichts in Etwas erkannt werde, und dass es ein Spiel habe in seinem Gegenwillen, dass ihm der freie Wille des Ungrundes im Grunde offenbar sei, denn ohne Boeses und Gutes moechte kein Grund sein"
TRANSLATION:
{"So therefore in the darkness doth the eternal free will have itself the pain and torment, just also as with the fire and light through the darkness, and it passes over into a kingdom of joy, so that the Nothing can be known as something, and that it should have a playing out in its opposition of wills, so that by it the free will of the Ungrund should have a ground upon which to manifest itself, for without the evil and the good it would have no ground upon which to be"}
"A freedom in the darkness", almost meaning to say, "god needs evil to exist, therefore it will always exist in the darkness, and it should be able to manifest itself"
Which it probably could not properly do with the destruction of the Worldstone at Mount Arreat.
Possibly this is why the heavens sent this fire ball??