They are all-in with Diablo 4. Right now more than 85% of their programmers work on that title. If Diablo 4 fails there will be no more Blizzard as we know it. This means two things:
- Their development on the game goes with great speed
- They'll try to release D4 as fast as possible to make up for lost profits from other games and failed projects
And Covid-19 while slowing down their development would increase their sales.
We are getting the D4 BETA after next Blizzcon for sure.
I’m pretty sure they will try to delay the release of D4 as long they could like they are doing with Immortal. Blizzard has no other games on the horizon and with most of their current games either dead or dying, they will be biding their time until they think of the next warcraft themed hit game. Shareholders will be happy that people are getting hyped for a new game and when revenue drops from their other games and shareholders start to worry, only then comes D4.
Blizzard has no other games on the horizon? OVW 2 , wow shadow lands event to the summer game festival, and there are job posting for other 2 games mobiles Unannounced Project and we don't konw if leaked Diablo 2 resurrect is real or fake .
They are all-in with Diablo 4. Right now more than 85% of their programmers work on that title. If Diablo 4 fails there will be no more Blizzard as we know it. This means two things:
- Their development on the game goes with great speed
- They'll try to release D4 as fast as possible to make up for lost profits from other games and failed projects
And Covid-19 while slowing down their development would increase their sales.
We are getting the D4 BETA after next Blizzcon for sure.
They are all-in with Diablo 4. Right now more than 85% of their programmers work on that title. If Diablo 4 fails there will be no more Blizzard as we know it. This means two things:
- Their development on the game goes with great speed
- They'll try to release D4 as fast as possible to make up for lost profits from other games and failed projects
And Covid-19 while slowing down their development would increase their sales.
We are getting the D4 BETA after next Blizzcon for sure.
76,78% of all statistics are made up on the spot
While it may be made up, its also kinda true. D4 development team has more programmers than the other teams. :P. It's only because its the furthest behind and they haven't finished programming all the back-end stuff. But i still think a 2021 release is possible, a lot of negative nancy's in the comments though. xD. The rumored release schedule has the game going into Alpha sometime after this blizzcon. Lets cross our fingers and hope it happens. I also want to reiterate that i dont think blizz wouldve announced D4 at all if they weren't positive they could have it released in 2-3 years tops. Since D3 got such intense backlash after coming out 4 whole years from announcement.
Made up or not, the important is how accurate they are lol. D4 Beta is coming, there will be a storm after the silence.
I want the forums to fill back up like before D3's release. Helps feel better by talking about it more. But everyone is too depressed from last waiting period that no one wants to hang in the forums to chat about it :(. i remember everyone rage quitting after blizz delayed D3 for the 4th time. Hoping they give a release window in November or the game just goes into Alpha soon after so everyone comes back.
Im sure that D4 has a big team behind it right now, but saying that the last 15% of the companies devs are working on WoW Classic, WoW BFA, WoW Shadowlands, WoW next expansion, D3, Overwatch (2), Hearthstone, hots + other unannounced projects is kinda ridiculous
So no, I dont think that true or accurate at all.
I also don't beleive that D4 is the only thing that can save Blizzard from certain doom - I don't beleive that Blizzard is in that kind of trouble at all
Where are you getting this info from (biggest dev team, rumored release schedule etc) - I would love to see it
Im pretty sure most people will be dissapointed with early D4, let me clarify; Just like d3 the game will be built around buying the expantions These guys are money makers and will build their game around making money. ( Skins, expantions mostly ) And if u blieve that d4 will compete with poe 2 its not the case im sorry it will never be. best thing you can do in that case is play PoE 2 for more content and more D2 Vibe in the future.
D4 will basically be D3 (2.0 ) all over again maybe with a little more but i wouldnt say compete with PoE 2 in anyway its way too casual without too much depth compared to poe 2
i spend time looking at mmochampion for updates on wow. They have been awesome with updates for the expansion, imo THAT is how you communicate with the fans. Do interviews, blog post type updates (more then every quarter) , etc. This gets feedback from the fans to help the developers from falling on their asses when it releases like d3 did. I was in that beta and starting the game until Leoric was fun but limited, i understand they don't want to give away lore and whatnot. In that game it was very single player or coop style and that was it. If this game is more multiplayer with world events and pvp areas, there should be more in the beta to do.
My only ask from blizzard is to give us more information on systems like they did in the last quarter post but more frequently.. if the fans don't like it as a whole then why wait until you have put so much resources into it to just find out its garbage and have to start over. Also i liked the hints that ovw has done in the past with its clues to the next character. should do that with the 2 unannounced classes, old items making a come back etc, that would be fun!
Im pretty sure most people will be dissapointed with early D4, let me clarify; Just like d3 the game will be built around buying the expantions These guys are money makers and will build their game around making money. ( Skins, expantions mostly ) And if u blieve that d4 will compete with poe 2 its not the case im sorry it will never be. best thing you can do in that case is play PoE 2 for more content and more D2 Vibe in the future.
D4 will basically be D3 (2.0 ) all over again maybe with a little more but i wouldnt say compete with PoE 2 in anyway its way too casual without too much depth compared to poe 2
Do you work for the company who developed PoE? Sure sounds like you do. lol. You didn't really give any facts as to why early D4 will suck. D4 will have a lot of things D3 never had from the start. Trading, pvp, improved crafting, open world ect.
Im sure that D4 has a big team behind it right now, but saying that the last 15% of the companies devs are working on WoW Classic, WoW BFA, WoW Shadowlands, WoW next expansion, D3, Overwatch (2), Hearthstone, hots + other unannounced projects is kinda ridiculous
So no, I dont think that true or accurate at all.
I also don't beleive that D4 is the only thing that can save Blizzard from certain doom - I don't beleive that Blizzard is in that kind of trouble at all
Where are you getting this info from (biggest dev team, rumored release schedule etc) - I would love to see it
Blizzard is a multi billion dollar company owned by a much bigger conglomerate, one game is never in danger of ruining anything for them lol. and D3 did pretty good, D4 will hit some insane sales numbers im betting though.
Im pretty sure most people will be dissapointed with early D4, let me clarify; Just like d3 the game will be built around buying the expantions These guys are money makers and will build their game around making money. ( Skins, expantions mostly ) And if u blieve that d4 will compete with poe 2 its not the case im sorry it will never be. best thing you can do in that case is play PoE 2 for more content and more D2 Vibe in the future.
D4 will basically be D3 (2.0 ) all over again maybe with a little more but i wouldnt say compete with PoE 2 in anyway its way too casual without too much depth compared to poe 2
let me show you something. the views on the diablo 4 gameplay have arrived 5.5 milions. Poe 2 is to 2 milion. you understand for yourself what people are looking for on the web right now. diablo 4 is not a diablo 3 2.0. starting from the skill tree and mmo elements. your analysis is based on marketing speculation
Im pretty sure most people will be dissapointed with early D4, let me clarify; Just like d3 the game will be built around buying the expantions These guys are money makers and will build their game around making money. ( Skins, expantions mostly ) And if u blieve that d4 will compete with poe 2 its not the case im sorry it will never be. best thing you can do in that case is play PoE 2 for more content and more D2 Vibe in the future.
D4 will basically be D3 (2.0 ) all over again maybe with a little more but i wouldnt say compete with PoE 2 in anyway its way too casual without too much depth compared to poe 2
let me show you something. the views on the diablo 4 gameplay have arrived 5.5 milions. Poe 2 is to 2 milion. you understand for yourself what people are looking for on the web right now. diablo 4 is not a diablo 3 2.0. starting from the skill tree and mmo elements. your analysis is based on marketing speculation
Path of Exile has always been a decent game. But in my opinion it only ever did as well as it did because first, it held people over until D3, and then when D3 disappointed everyone they went back to PoE. Once D4 comes out it'll destroy the PoE 1 & 2 player base since it'll have everything D3 didn't have. They better release PoE 2 ASAP before D4.
I think there is room and a fan base for both games. A lot of hardcore poe players will never be satisfied with Diablo and vice versa.
For me, there are just too many systems in poe, crafting is (for me) a nightmare and I can't even start to understand stats and gear, having said that, I have spent a lot of hours in poe and had fun, but it will never be my go to game.
They are all-in with Diablo 4. Right now more than 85% of their programmers work on that title. If Diablo 4 fails there will be no more Blizzard as we know it. This means two things:
- Their development on the game goes with great speed
- They'll try to release D4 as fast as possible to make up for lost profits from other games and failed projects
And Covid-19 while slowing down their development would increase their sales.
We are getting the D4 BETA after next Blizzcon for sure.
Blizzard is still by an absolutely massive country mile the highest valued games company in the world. They are worth more than double what EA Games is worth, what on earth makes you think they would disolve if D4 wasn't a success or even that it wont be.
Literally every single product Blizzard has created has been a MASSIVE commercial success and I see no reason why Diablo 4 wont be to.
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I expect D4 to come out Q2/3 2022. I would love to see a Q4 2021 release, but Blizzard themselves said at 2020 that it isn't even Blizzard soon. Outside of some very base concepts we've hardly seen anything about the game, I expect to see a lot more information at this years blizzcon, a Beta announcement at next years Blizzcon and a mid 2022 release.
I expect D4 to come out Q2/3 2022. I would love to see a Q4 2021 release, but Blizzard themselves said at 2020 that it isn't even Blizzard soon. Outside of some very base concepts we've hardly seen anything about the game, I expect to see a lot more information at this years blizzcon, a Beta announcement at next years Blizzcon and a mid 2022 release.
The public being able to play a demo that show-cases skills, talents and game-play with 3/5 classes as well as more in-depth info about gear stats, lore and monster families is "hardly anything"? lol idk why you guys are so jaded about how much we've seen and how it seems like its "not much" when its literally 80% of what we'll experience at launch. Whats left to reveal besides the last 2 classes that we already know are amazon and paladin, crafting and end-game systems? And we'll get most of that info soon. Its an ARPG, not that complicated of a game with not that many systems.
We have the Dev update in a couple weeks, another in a few months and then online-blizzcon for more in-depth info. Blizzard not releasing every detail about the game immediately doesn't indicate a super-far release because that's why they set up these quarterly-dev-updates in the first place. Withholding the info on purpose to slowly release and keep the hype-train running. Most of their feedback and changes will come with Alpha and Beta testing at this point. They've already gotten the general public opinion.
I think there is room and a fan base for both games. A lot of hardcore poe players will never be satisfied with Diablo and vice versa.
For me, there are just too many systems in poe, crafting is (for me) a nightmare and I can't even start to understand stats and gear, having said that, I have spent a lot of hours in poe and had fun, but it will never be my go to game.
Of course POE will always have some sort of fan-base. I'm just saying that its fan base is extremely tiny in comparison to Diablo and will shrink tremendously upon D4's release. It only ever had an inflated fan/player base due to waiting periods between D2-D3 , D3's crappy gameplay sending players back to PoE and now waiting for D4.
Crappy gameplay? If there is one thing most agree on when it comes to d3 it's that the gameplay is awesome, it's pretty much everything else that a lot of people have a problem with.
80% of what we will see a launch? What, how, why...?
The demo was set a level 20, not starter zone for starters.
Yes, we are still missing 40% of the classes, the talent system was anything but done, same goes for skills.
They haven't talked about endgame systems yet, which will be the big one.
I really can't wrap my head around how you could possibly think that everything is done by now, and add to that blizzard keep telling everyone that the game is in a very early stage.
I am not trying to put you down or be negative about the game. I am trying to be realistic about it.
Saying that it will release soon and blow everything away based on nothing but own expectations does not make it true. Hell, maybe poe 2 will completely destroy Diablo 4 is every aspect - we just don't know yet.
Crappy gameplay? If there is one thing most agree on when it comes to d3 it's that the gameplay is awesome, it's pretty much everything else that a lot of people have a problem with.
80% of what we will see a launch? What, how, why...?
The demo was set a level 20, not starter zone for starters.
Yes, we are still missing 40% of the classes, the talent system was anything but done, same goes for skills.
They haven't talked about endgame systems yet, which will be the big one.
I really can't wrap my head around how you could possibly think that everything is done by now, and add to that blizzard keep telling everyone that the game is in a very early stage.
I am not trying to put you down or be negative about the game. I am trying to be realistic about it.
Saying that it will release soon and blow everything away based on nothing but own expectations does not make it true. Hell, maybe poe 2 will completely destroy Diablo 4 is every aspect - we just don't know yet
I should've specifically said crappy-longevity for gameplay. it was really fun, for a short time. D2 lasted 10x longer.
Them not revealing the final classes is simply for the quarterly-dev-updates, not necessarily because they aren't far from finished. Quarterly-update is their new shtick to keep fans interested until release. And based on the amount of info released in the first update, we'll get 100% of everything within just 2-3 updates anyways.
The demo showcased the gameplay. the same gamplay you'll experience from lvl 1 to max. its an Arpg, its very repetitive. AoE monsters for loot, level up, alter skills, repeat. End game has always been the loot grind. Loot grinding for Grifting, builds or pvp, is still a loot grind and thats 90% of all diablo games.
=> seems like you haven't read this entire page https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23189677/diablo-iv-feature-overview (yes yes they emphasize at the end that its "early in development", already touched on that in OP). But no game with the demo they had is THAT early in development. Q4 2021 is 2 full years from announcement.
Again, I'll have to say, just because you belive it to be like this (classes are done etc), does not make it true. The only truth is that we don't know. Maybe you are right, I personally don't think so - but I think we have established that :-D
Again, I'll have to say, just because you belive it to be like this (classes are done etc), does not make it true. The only truth is that we don't know. Maybe you are right, I personally don't think so - but I think we have established that :-D
Obviously everyone has their own opinions. Your opinion seems to be based on their previous track-record, which is a safe position to take. But mine is based on exactly what we've seen and a more reasonable time-frame. We've seen most of the gameplay, skills, talents, world, features and how things will mostly be at launch so its unnecessary to even show the public anymore besides the last 2 classes, they needed to with-hold at least some decent info for the Q-dev-updates. if they reveal the other classes in 2 weeks at the Dev update, will you then think its closer to 2021? lol
I’m pretty sure they will try to delay the release of D4 as long they could like they are doing with Immortal. Blizzard has no other games on the horizon and with most of their current games either dead or dying, they will be biding their time until they think of the next warcraft themed hit game. Shareholders will be happy that people are getting hyped for a new game and when revenue drops from their other games and shareholders start to worry, only then comes D4.
Blizzard has no other games on the horizon? OVW 2 , wow shadow lands event to the summer game festival, and there are job posting for other 2 games mobiles Unannounced Project and we don't konw if leaked Diablo 2 resurrect is real or fake .
Not really surprise If warcraft franchise take mobile title after DI.
Yeah yeah yeah Overwatch 2 and the WOW expansion are not worth mentioning. OW2 is just an upgrade of an already existing game and we all know how much effort they put into WOW these days. When I said there aren't any new games on the horizon, I meant GAMES not expansions and OW2 is nothing more than that. The development of Diablo Immortal is outsourced and according to the rumors, so is Diablo 2 resurrected.
They are all-in with Diablo 4. Right now more than 85% of their programmers work on that title. If Diablo 4 fails there will be no more Blizzard as we know it. This means two things:
- Their development on the game goes with great speed
- They'll try to release D4 as fast as possible to make up for lost profits from other games and failed projects
And Covid-19 while slowing down their development would increase their sales.
We are getting the D4 BETA after next Blizzcon for sure.
Blizzard has no other games on the horizon? OVW 2 , wow shadow lands event to the summer game festival, and there are job posting for other 2 games mobiles Unannounced Project and we don't konw if leaked Diablo 2 resurrect is real or fake .
another Lead artist for another blizzard game Unannounced project https://careers.blizzard.com/en-us/openings/oSIFbfwa
Not really surprise If warcraft franchise take mobile title after DI.
76,78% of all statistics are made up on the spot
Made up or not, the important is how accurate they are lol. D4 Beta is coming, there will be a storm after the silence.
While it may be made up, its also kinda true. D4 development team has more programmers than the other teams. :P. It's only because its the furthest behind and they haven't finished programming all the back-end stuff. But i still think a 2021 release is possible, a lot of negative nancy's in the comments though. xD. The rumored release schedule has the game going into Alpha sometime after this blizzcon. Lets cross our fingers and hope it happens. I also want to reiterate that i dont think blizz wouldve announced D4 at all if they weren't positive they could have it released in 2-3 years tops. Since D3 got such intense backlash after coming out 4 whole years from announcement.
I want the forums to fill back up like before D3's release. Helps feel better by talking about it more. But everyone is too depressed from last waiting period that no one wants to hang in the forums to chat about it :(. i remember everyone rage quitting after blizz delayed D3 for the 4th time. Hoping they give a release window in November or the game just goes into Alpha soon after so everyone comes back.
Im sure that D4 has a big team behind it right now, but saying that the last 15% of the companies devs are working on WoW Classic, WoW BFA, WoW Shadowlands, WoW next expansion, D3, Overwatch (2), Hearthstone, hots + other unannounced projects is kinda ridiculous
So no, I dont think that true or accurate at all.
I also don't beleive that D4 is the only thing that can save Blizzard from certain doom - I don't beleive that Blizzard is in that kind of trouble at all
Where are you getting this info from (biggest dev team, rumored release schedule etc) - I would love to see it
Im pretty sure most people will be dissapointed with early D4, let me clarify; Just like d3 the game will be built around buying the expantions These guys are money makers and will build their game around making money. ( Skins, expantions mostly ) And if u blieve that d4 will compete with poe 2 its not the case im sorry it will never be. best thing you can do in that case is play PoE 2 for more content and more D2 Vibe in the future.
D4 will basically be D3 (2.0 ) all over again maybe with a little more but i wouldnt say compete with PoE 2 in anyway its way too casual without too much depth compared to poe 2
i spend time looking at mmochampion for updates on wow. They have been awesome with updates for the expansion, imo THAT is how you communicate with the fans. Do interviews, blog post type updates (more then every quarter) , etc. This gets feedback from the fans to help the developers from falling on their asses when it releases like d3 did. I was in that beta and starting the game until Leoric was fun but limited, i understand they don't want to give away lore and whatnot. In that game it was very single player or coop style and that was it. If this game is more multiplayer with world events and pvp areas, there should be more in the beta to do.
My only ask from blizzard is to give us more information on systems like they did in the last quarter post but more frequently.. if the fans don't like it as a whole then why wait until you have put so much resources into it to just find out its garbage and have to start over. Also i liked the hints that ovw has done in the past with its clues to the next character. should do that with the 2 unannounced classes, old items making a come back etc, that would be fun!
Do you work for the company who developed PoE? Sure sounds like you do. lol. You didn't really give any facts as to why early D4 will suck. D4 will have a lot of things D3 never had from the start. Trading, pvp, improved crafting, open world ect.
Blizzard is a multi billion dollar company owned by a much bigger conglomerate, one game is never in danger of ruining anything for them lol. and D3 did pretty good, D4 will hit some insane sales numbers im betting though.
And there was a few different leaks that all had around ~80% accurate info, most of it being completely right, some of it being kinda wrong and then a couple things that were totally wrong. i found one of them: https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/c8waxp/diablo_iv_release_window_details_and_more_leak/ . They were all posted over 7-11 months ago.
let me show you something. the views on the diablo 4 gameplay have arrived 5.5 milions. Poe 2 is to 2 milion. you understand for yourself what people are looking for on the web right now. diablo 4 is not a diablo 3 2.0. starting from the skill tree and mmo elements. your analysis is based on marketing speculation
Path of Exile has always been a decent game. But in my opinion it only ever did as well as it did because first, it held people over until D3, and then when D3 disappointed everyone they went back to PoE. Once D4 comes out it'll destroy the PoE 1 & 2 player base since it'll have everything D3 didn't have. They better release PoE 2 ASAP before D4.
I think there is room and a fan base for both games. A lot of hardcore poe players will never be satisfied with Diablo and vice versa.
For me, there are just too many systems in poe, crafting is (for me) a nightmare and I can't even start to understand stats and gear, having said that, I have spent a lot of hours in poe and had fun, but it will never be my go to game.
But... If you made them up then they aren't accurate.. What are you even trying to say here?
Blizzard is still by an absolutely massive country mile the highest valued games company in the world. They are worth more than double what EA Games is worth, what on earth makes you think they would disolve if D4 wasn't a success or even that it wont be.
Literally every single product Blizzard has created has been a MASSIVE commercial success and I see no reason why Diablo 4 wont be to.
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I expect D4 to come out Q2/3 2022. I would love to see a Q4 2021 release, but Blizzard themselves said at 2020 that it isn't even Blizzard soon. Outside of some very base concepts we've hardly seen anything about the game, I expect to see a lot more information at this years blizzcon, a Beta announcement at next years Blizzcon and a mid 2022 release.
The public being able to play a demo that show-cases skills, talents and game-play with 3/5 classes as well as more in-depth info about gear stats, lore and monster families is "hardly anything"? lol idk why you guys are so jaded about how much we've seen and how it seems like its "not much" when its literally 80% of what we'll experience at launch. Whats left to reveal besides the last 2 classes that we already know are amazon and paladin, crafting and end-game systems? And we'll get most of that info soon. Its an ARPG, not that complicated of a game with not that many systems.
We have the Dev update in a couple weeks, another in a few months and then online-blizzcon for more in-depth info. Blizzard not releasing every detail about the game immediately doesn't indicate a super-far release because that's why they set up these quarterly-dev-updates in the first place. Withholding the info on purpose to slowly release and keep the hype-train running. Most of their feedback and changes will come with Alpha and Beta testing at this point. They've already gotten the general public opinion.
Of course POE will always have some sort of fan-base. I'm just saying that its fan base is extremely tiny in comparison to Diablo and will shrink tremendously upon D4's release. It only ever had an inflated fan/player base due to waiting periods between D2-D3 , D3's crappy gameplay sending players back to PoE and now waiting for D4.
Crappy gameplay? If there is one thing most agree on when it comes to d3 it's that the gameplay is awesome, it's pretty much everything else that a lot of people have a problem with.
80% of what we will see a launch? What, how, why...?
The demo was set a level 20, not starter zone for starters.
Yes, we are still missing 40% of the classes, the talent system was anything but done, same goes for skills.
They haven't talked about endgame systems yet, which will be the big one.
I really can't wrap my head around how you could possibly think that everything is done by now, and add to that blizzard keep telling everyone that the game is in a very early stage.
I am not trying to put you down or be negative about the game. I am trying to be realistic about it.
Saying that it will release soon and blow everything away based on nothing but own expectations does not make it true. Hell, maybe poe 2 will completely destroy Diablo 4 is every aspect - we just don't know yet.
I should've specifically said crappy-longevity for gameplay. it was really fun, for a short time. D2 lasted 10x longer.
Them not revealing the final classes is simply for the quarterly-dev-updates, not necessarily because they aren't far from finished. Quarterly-update is their new shtick to keep fans interested until release. And based on the amount of info released in the first update, we'll get 100% of everything within just 2-3 updates anyways.
The demo showcased the gameplay. the same gamplay you'll experience from lvl 1 to max. its an Arpg, its very repetitive. AoE monsters for loot, level up, alter skills, repeat. End game has always been the loot grind. Loot grinding for Grifting, builds or pvp, is still a loot grind and thats 90% of all diablo games.
=> seems like you haven't read this entire page https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/diablo4/23189677/diablo-iv-feature-overview (yes yes they emphasize at the end that its "early in development", already touched on that in OP). But no game with the demo they had is THAT early in development. Q4 2021 is 2 full years from announcement.
Again, I'll have to say, just because you belive it to be like this (classes are done etc), does not make it true. The only truth is that we don't know. Maybe you are right, I personally don't think so - but I think we have established that :-D
Obviously everyone has their own opinions. Your opinion seems to be based on their previous track-record, which is a safe position to take. But mine is based on exactly what we've seen and a more reasonable time-frame. We've seen most of the gameplay, skills, talents, world, features and how things will mostly be at launch so its unnecessary to even show the public anymore besides the last 2 classes, they needed to with-hold at least some decent info for the Q-dev-updates. if they reveal the other classes in 2 weeks at the Dev update, will you then think its closer to 2021? lol
Yeah yeah yeah Overwatch 2 and the WOW expansion are not worth mentioning. OW2 is just an upgrade of an already existing game and we all know how much effort they put into WOW these days. When I said there aren't any new games on the horizon, I meant GAMES not expansions and OW2 is nothing more than that. The development of Diablo Immortal is outsourced and according to the rumors, so is Diablo 2 resurrected.
one word: unlikely
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