In a comprehensive article that interviewed 11 current and former Blizzard employees, Kotaku reported
this development. Following a canceled second expansion to Diablo 3
that was supposed to follow Reaper of Souls, and the cancelation of
another project code named Hades, many team members began working on
Fenris, which sources claim is the current incarnation of Diablo 4.
A
major pillar for the game and its art direction is reportedly “Embrace
the darkness.” Reportedly in development since 2016, many who have seen
it are optimistic about the direction that it’s taking. Though still in
early development, the game is expected to be released in 2020 or later.
It’s unclear if the game will to come to PC first, or if it will be
released simultaneously on consoles.
I really don't understand why they're not transparent at all. Why in the mighty Hell are they treating this so secretly. It would help them and the newest incarnation of Diablo if they would share inside thoughts and COMMUNICATE with the community to help build a game that would actually be played by the community. If they do this, no wonder they cancel everything after 2 years in developement and cry about failures. (TITAN)
I really don't understand why they're not transparent at all. Why in the mighty Hell are they treating this so secretly. It would help them and the newest incarnation of Diablo if they would share inside thoughts and COMMUNICATE with the community to help build a game that would actually be played by the community. If they do this, no wonder they cancel everything after 2 years in developement and cry about failures. (TITAN)
Because they are still arogant ah's, they know better what is fun, "you think you do, but you dont", "then we doubled it", "dont you guys have phones!?" ect
They were always arogant, even in Starcraft, Diablo 2 golden times, WoW big success changed their egos to cosmic states.
Honestly, I do not need Diablo to be in every game, I just want to play in the world of Sanctuary/High Heavens/Hell, So every game does not need to cater around Diablo himself, Their are plenty of other stories to tell, for example the Baroness from Diablo 2, her story is a great story, and you can base an entire game around exploring her tower facing all the mini bosses and eventually facing her to save that town, like Castlevania.
It is about the corruption that the prime evils create in there wake.
Another example would be set in the past, where you are a priest of the Zakerum Temple coming back from a mission, and as you play through, you notice weirder and more nefarious happenings going on, only to find out your entire order is corrupted by Mephisto.
@aerisot I've got to agree. Diablo is now, in many ways, THE Prime Evil.
LoD gave use Baal focused story that turned a single act into almost as much content as the base game. They could focus on Mephisto and his offspring, I'm always going to mention and root for Inarius after being in the mirror cage, then there's alot of characters in the "Book ofs" series.
Hell, even the new zones in D3 need alot more explanation to them.
With Diablo 3 introducing all these new areas that the character classes come from, they could make a whole game focusing on those groups and how they're dealing with the massive slaughter RoS had on Sanctuary and what's going to happen in the future. Even if Diablo will come back, who says it can't happen in 20 years after RoS? That's alot of time to get things back to the Diablo franchise's great story. Maybe finish it with some leading up to or dealing with Diablo's resurfacing (which is still strange, is he in Hell or Sanctuary? Maybe looking for a new host that was worked so well in the past. Maybe a stronger host with the nephalem's power not being controlled).
@aerisot I've got to agree. Diablo is now, in many ways, THE Prime Evil.
LoD gave use Baal focused story that turned a single act into almost as much content as the base game. They could focus on Mephisto and his offspring, I'm always going to mention and root for Inarius after being in the mirror cage, then there's alot of characters in the "Book ofs" series.
Hell, even the new zones in D3 need alot more explanation to them.
With Diablo 3 introducing all these new areas that the character classes come from, they could make a whole game focusing on those groups and how they're dealing with the massive slaughter RoS had on Sanctuary and what's going to happen in the future. Even if Diablo will come back, who says it can't happen in 20 years after RoS? That's alot of time to get things back to the Diablo franchise's great story. Maybe finish it with some leading up to or dealing with Diablo's resurfacing (which is still strange, is he in Hell or Sanctuary? Maybe looking for a new host that was worked so well in the past. Maybe a stronger host with the nephalem's power not being controlled).
You know something that could have made for a cool "Side Project" Phone Game, instead of a full on "Diablo Experience" game? You take on the role of Tyrael, managing the new Horadrim. Train and upgrade troops, send them on missions, retrieve upgrades and resources to put back into future missions. Add in something where you can tag along for difficult missions with some active management. Borrow from the WoW Garrison missions and a little Fallout Shelter. The side game could include investigating rumors of the return of the evils (It's not 100% clear Diablo will remain The Prime Evil or if their souls could have split as a result of the black soul stone's destruction, I believe) and serve as a lead in to Diablo 4...I mean, if Diablo 4 is about the return of the evils once again, that is.
Notably, I've come to terms and I'm fine with DI at this point. But nothing says they couldn't have two mobile games, especially if one is a "lite" game that ties into a PC/Console release.
This corroborates a lot of developments over the last several years, as well as other independent statements over the last couple months. Anyone that didn't think they were working on 4 were pretty wonky in the head as the writing has been on the wall for some time. That's what made the fact it wasn't announced even more frustrating.
This corroborates a lot of developments over the last several years, as well as other independent statements over the last couple months. Anyone that didn't think they were working on 4 were pretty wonky in the head as the writing has been on the wall for some time. That's what made the fact it wasn't announced even more frustrating.
Anyone who thinks a major corporation isn't making a sequel to a franchise that has an install base with nearly 50 million units sold is delusional.
And if Blizzard thinks that scraping a game multiple times and taking 10 years to produce a sequel is "exciting news" for the fans, they're also delusional. The Blizzard Soon meme isn't a sign of quality anymore. Its an indication of "we don't know what we're doing".
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I'm curious where you're getting the 50 million units sold number? The most I can find is 30 million, and that's D3 and RoS combined.
Either way I agree with you, Blizzard has no idea what it's doing anymore. They quite literally pulled their top guys from all their games to start working on mobile. So, get ready to not see anything great for the PC for years and years to come.
No point to make d4 if it would least for 4-5+ years, old veterans will forget about diablo francise due to d3 epic fail, new audience dont care about francise and Arpg, also for 5 years could be new gaming era.
Maybe never, what is the point to make games for pc if mobile target is dumber and accept p2w, pruduction is a lot cheaper, risk is minimal, profit is a lot bigger than pc.
Mobile is the future, they know that.
I don't know about that. There are laws in Belgium right now that forbids MTX, so if other countries are going the same route, mobile gaming will become just a thing that was. Sure, easy money is made with little efforts, but I wouldn't say its the future. D4 will come, and ARPGs are still a thing, look at all the ARPGs that are still in development right now.
i sure hope other countrys will ban MTX and game developers will have to create good games to earn money. Not like now some shitty mobile games and making big bucks on kids.
No point to make d4 if it would least for 4-5+ years, old veterans will forget about diablo francise due to d3 epic fail, new audience dont care about francise and Arpg, also for 5 years could be new gaming era.
Maybe never, what is the point to make games for pc if mobile target is dumber and accept p2w, pruduction is a lot cheaper, risk is minimal, profit is a lot bigger than pc.
Mobile is the future, they know that.
I don't know about that. There are laws in Belgium right now that forbids MTX, so if other countries are going the same route, mobile gaming will become just a thing that was. Sure, easy money is made with little efforts, but I wouldn't say its the future. D4 will come, and ARPGs are still a thing, look at all the ARPGs that are still in development right now.
Has it changed recently? I recall the MTX they forbade were Loot Boxes as they represent gambling. That's different from selling things like cosmetics or even Pay 2 Win items or just cooldown reduction items. Are those other things illegal now too? Plenty of room for MTX without the gambling aspect, tho how that fits into the Diablo model is interesting as Diablo is essentially a loot slot machine game.
That having been said, I wouldn't say "Mobile Is the Future" per se. I would say "Mobile is Part of the Future." Yes the market is growing considerably right now but there's a point at which it will be fully saturated. Another point to consider is the longevity of Mobile Games. How long do they last versus PC/Console titles?
The logical conclusion is to incorporate the continued revenue streams of revenue games into PC/Console games, as we've seen happen with many franchises. They tried and failed to do this in D3 with the RMAH. I think *that* is the inevitable fate of gaming unless something else comes along. But just look at D3 in its current state. They could easily incorporate micro transactions into the current game. Imagine, you really like the current Season's Wings/Pet/Transmog but don't have time or don't want to commit the time to earn it. Pay $10 and get the skins. Things like that, I think, are the future of Diablo.
No point to make d4 if it would least for 4-5+ years, old veterans will forget about diablo francise due to d3 epic fail, new audience dont care about francise and Arpg, also for 5 years could be new gaming era.
Maybe never, what is the point to make games for pc if mobile target is dumber and accept p2w, pruduction is a lot cheaper, risk is minimal, profit is a lot bigger than pc.
Mobile is the future, they know that.
I don't know about that. There are laws in Belgium right now that forbids MTX, so if other countries are going the same route, mobile gaming will become just a thing that was. Sure, easy money is made with little efforts, but I wouldn't say its the future. D4 will come, and ARPGs are still a thing, look at all the ARPGs that are still in development right now.
Has it changed recently? I recall the MTX they forbade were Loot Boxes as they represent gambling. That's different from selling things like cosmetics or even Pay 2 Win items or just cooldown reduction items. Are those other things illegal now too? Plenty of room for MTX without the gambling aspect, tho how that fits into the Diablo model is interesting as Diablo is essentially a loot slot machine game.
That having been said, I wouldn't say "Mobile Is the Future" per se. I would say "Mobile is Part of the Future." Yes the market is growing considerably right now but there's a point at which it will be fully saturated. Another point to consider is the longevity of Mobile Games. How long do they last versus PC/Console titles?
The logical conclusion is to incorporate the continued revenue streams of revenue games into PC/Console games, as we've seen happen with many franchises. They tried and failed to do this in D3 with the RMAH. I think *that* is the inevitable fate of gaming unless something else comes along. But just look at D3 in its current state. They could easily incorporate micro transactions into the current game. Imagine, you really like the current Season's Wings/Pet/Transmog but don't have time or don't want to commit the time to earn it. Pay $10 and get the skins. Things like that, I think, are the future of Diablo.
You have a good point though. With the Belgium law, that is, at this point, loot boxes are becoming one thing and they are investigating further of how "loot boxes" in general so aka MTX are working and how minors have access to it. So most likely they will throw everything in one bucket as to where loot boxes are similar to MTX. You buy something and you get something. One may argue with cosmetics, but 5 dollars for a simple pair of digital sunglasses is something to consider with gambling, because its non existant and too expensive with very little effort, so 6 pairs of these is the price for Battlefield V right now...you see?
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In a comprehensive article that interviewed 11 current and former Blizzard employees, Kotaku reported
this development. Following a canceled second expansion to Diablo 3
that was supposed to follow Reaper of Souls, and the cancelation of
another project code named Hades, many team members began working on
Fenris, which sources claim is the current incarnation of Diablo 4.
A
major pillar for the game and its art direction is reportedly “Embrace
the darkness.” Reportedly in development since 2016, many who have seen
it are optimistic about the direction that it’s taking. Though still in
early development, the game is expected to be released in 2020 or later.
It’s unclear if the game will to come to PC first, or if it will be
released simultaneously on consoles.
read more here https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/11/21/diablo-4-reportedly-in-development-under-code-name-fenris
Keep begging for any tiny piece of info you guys can scrounge up. Hey. Do you not have phones ?
I think they are leaks, so not official statements from blizzard, so i don't think that counts as damage control.
Kotaku, IGN, Fenris, Hades...
just release it to phones first since we all have them right?
"Do you guys not have phones?"
I really don't understand why they're not transparent at all. Why in the mighty Hell are they treating this so secretly. It would help them and the newest incarnation of Diablo if they would share inside thoughts and COMMUNICATE with the community to help build a game that would actually be played by the community. If they do this, no wonder they cancel everything after 2 years in developement and cry about failures. (TITAN)
So, so, sad..
Honestly, I do not need Diablo to be in every game, I just want to play in the world of Sanctuary/High Heavens/Hell, So every game does not need to cater around Diablo himself, Their are plenty of other stories to tell, for example the Baroness from Diablo 2, her story is a great story, and you can base an entire game around exploring her tower facing all the mini bosses and eventually facing her to save that town, like Castlevania.
It is about the corruption that the prime evils create in there wake.
Another example would be set in the past, where you are a priest of the Zakerum Temple coming back from a mission, and as you play through, you notice weirder and more nefarious happenings going on, only to find out your entire order is corrupted by Mephisto.
https://www.deviantart.com/aerisot
@aerisot I've got to agree. Diablo is now, in many ways, THE Prime Evil.
LoD gave use Baal focused story that turned a single act into almost as much content as the base game. They could focus on Mephisto and his offspring, I'm always going to mention and root for Inarius after being in the mirror cage, then there's alot of characters in the "Book ofs" series.
Hell, even the new zones in D3 need alot more explanation to them.
With Diablo 3 introducing all these new areas that the character classes come from, they could make a whole game focusing on those groups and how they're dealing with the massive slaughter RoS had on Sanctuary and what's going to happen in the future. Even if Diablo will come back, who says it can't happen in 20 years after RoS? That's alot of time to get things back to the Diablo franchise's great story. Maybe finish it with some leading up to or dealing with Diablo's resurfacing (which is still strange, is he in Hell or Sanctuary? Maybe looking for a new host that was worked so well in the past. Maybe a stronger host with the nephalem's power not being controlled).
You know something that could have made for a cool "Side Project" Phone Game, instead of a full on "Diablo Experience" game? You take on the role of Tyrael, managing the new Horadrim. Train and upgrade troops, send them on missions, retrieve upgrades and resources to put back into future missions. Add in something where you can tag along for difficult missions with some active management. Borrow from the WoW Garrison missions and a little Fallout Shelter. The side game could include investigating rumors of the return of the evils (It's not 100% clear Diablo will remain The Prime Evil or if their souls could have split as a result of the black soul stone's destruction, I believe) and serve as a lead in to Diablo 4...I mean, if Diablo 4 is about the return of the evils once again, that is.
Notably, I've come to terms and I'm fine with DI at this point. But nothing says they couldn't have two mobile games, especially if one is a "lite" game that ties into a PC/Console release.
This corroborates a lot of developments over the last several years, as well as other independent statements over the last couple months. Anyone that didn't think they were working on 4 were pretty wonky in the head as the writing has been on the wall for some time. That's what made the fact it wasn't announced even more frustrating.
I'm curious where you're getting the 50 million units sold number? The most I can find is 30 million, and that's D3 and RoS combined.
Either way I agree with you, Blizzard has no idea what it's doing anymore. They quite literally pulled their top guys from all their games to start working on mobile. So, get ready to not see anything great for the PC for years and years to come.
I don't know about that. There are laws in Belgium right now that forbids MTX, so if other countries are going the same route, mobile gaming will become just a thing that was. Sure, easy money is made with little efforts, but I wouldn't say its the future. D4 will come, and ARPGs are still a thing, look at all the ARPGs that are still in development right now.
i sure hope other countrys will ban MTX and game developers will have to create good games to earn money. Not like now some shitty mobile games and making big bucks on kids.
Has it changed recently? I recall the MTX they forbade were Loot Boxes as they represent gambling. That's different from selling things like cosmetics or even Pay 2 Win items or just cooldown reduction items. Are those other things illegal now too? Plenty of room for MTX without the gambling aspect, tho how that fits into the Diablo model is interesting as Diablo is essentially a loot slot machine game.
That having been said, I wouldn't say "Mobile Is the Future" per se. I would say "Mobile is Part of the Future." Yes the market is growing considerably right now but there's a point at which it will be fully saturated. Another point to consider is the longevity of Mobile Games. How long do they last versus PC/Console titles?
The logical conclusion is to incorporate the continued revenue streams of revenue games into PC/Console games, as we've seen happen with many franchises. They tried and failed to do this in D3 with the RMAH. I think *that* is the inevitable fate of gaming unless something else comes along. But just look at D3 in its current state. They could easily incorporate micro transactions into the current game. Imagine, you really like the current Season's Wings/Pet/Transmog but don't have time or don't want to commit the time to earn it. Pay $10 and get the skins. Things like that, I think, are the future of Diablo.
You have a good point though. With the Belgium law, that is, at this point, loot boxes are becoming one thing and they are investigating further of how "loot boxes" in general so aka MTX are working and how minors have access to it. So most likely they will throw everything in one bucket as to where loot boxes are similar to MTX. You buy something and you get something. One may argue with cosmetics, but 5 dollars for a simple pair of digital sunglasses is something to consider with gambling, because its non existant and too expensive with very little effort, so 6 pairs of these is the price for Battlefield V right now...you see?