There is wrong info about this.In DII:LoD, Baal was the last and the stongest boss because he was using the greatest power of Sanctuary "Worldstone".Also when you were faced Diablo in Diablo2, Baal was left and he had to be stronger cuz your character also would be stronger in the end of expansion.So it was only about games' progress..
In fact Diablo is the leader and the strongest of prime evils and hell. (Source: Diablo I tomes) So the game's called "Diablo"
Also there is some wrong info about their age too.Diablo is not middle aged prime evil.Mephisto is the oldest, Baal is middle aged and Diablo is the youngest brother...
Also there is some wrong info about their age too.Diablo is not middle aged prime evil.Mephisto is the oldest, Baal is middle aged and Diablo is the youngest brother...
Never heard anyone say that (that Diablo is the middle-oldest), where'd you find it? And we actually have a thread for this discussion somewhere
And Baal wasn't using the Worldstone, he was corrupting it- he was using his own power against you. Although I agree cannon-wise that Diablo should be the strongest.
Yep i was referring to that thread just i saw.There shouldn't be confusion about this because it's clear.Also in that thread i saw someone wrote diablo is the middle-aged.It is so clear that Diablo is the leader and strongest prime evil though he is the youngest. (Dıablo I in-game tomes and manual) Also in the sin war books "the greatest and the worst prime evil" is written about Diablo.
Diablo tries to become Lord of the Sanctuary also. (not his brothers) (Source: Diablo I in game tomes)
Ofc they don't know who haven't played original Diablo yet
BTW how was he corrupting the worldstone without using the power of it?
He was using his own demonic power to corrupt the Worldstone. Saying he was using the Worldstone's own power to corrupt it really doesn't make sense since the Worldstone is not inherently evil or good, demonic or angelic. It just is and sustains barriers between the worlds. Tyrael says that "Baal's demonic touch" corrupted it. Baal uses his own power to kill things (hence the cinematic prologue) and he also used his own power to summon the beasts in the Throne of Destruction (the demons come from his Soulstone- he is also not with the Worldstone when he's in the Throne of Destruction.)
His power he draws from his Soulstone. He was only corrupting the Worldstone to defunct the barriers (and then Tyrael ultimately destroyed the Worldstone because he corrupted it, breaking the barriers- supposedly- anyway.)
You're right. Exactly "Glory and approbation to Diablo - Lord of Terror and Leader of Three" is written in one tome.So he is the strongest (written in game manual) and also the leader among them.
The game's name is enough for who's the strongest and leader among prime evils. "Diablo" since 1996
In Theory- Baal. To me it seems like the lord of destruction should be able to, well, destroy any of his opponents.
In Practice- Nobody. The three prime evils are more or less equally powerful. Hell being the land of chaos, if one of the brothers were stronger than the others don't you think he would have offed the other 2? Ruling hell by yourself sounds much more appealing than having to deal with 2 other people. And the idea of a non-aggression pact seems... ridiculous. These are the most vile, despicable, foul demons in all of existence. If there was an opportunity to manipulate, connive, back-stab, or cheat the way to power none of them would hesitate to do anything to succeed. Kill your brothers? Yup. Poke out their eyes with their own horns and shovel their brains out through their eye sockets? Just another day in hell. Demons don't have morals.
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When killing two birds with one stone, there is a question that often floats in to my mind: Where the hell did I put that shotgun?
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I'm not talkin about theory or practice.I'm talkin about the game's truth.
BTW you're right.There must be one ruler if he is the strongest, leader and yep there is. Diablo is the absolute ruler of hell and he tries to become the lord of sanctuary also (his brothers just help him to become lord of sanctuary)
I agree with majik. The three being The Lord of Terror, The Lord of Hatred, and The Lord of Destruction, it would make sense that they could all be equally powerful within their own respective... occupations.
Depends, sometimes parents are stronger depending on what lore you may be investigating. There are also stories where children outgrow and overthrow their parent's power. I would use Star Wars and the Skywalker story as an example except that I believe that Anakin was much more powerful than Luke partly due to his midichlorian count.
You try to justify a story where Diablo's mommy comes in and whips hero ass after they've been mean to her little boy, then we can consider whether or not Prime Evil parents are stronger or not.
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Well blizzard has taken most of their characters from the demons pertaining to the Key of Soloman... there you have almost all of diablos main demons... belial, azmodan, mephisto, baal, and many others... In the Key of Soloman Baal is usually the "ring leader" where it is even sometimes suggested that he is refered to as satan.
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If he's talking about game-wise, I would assume they would be stronger, simply because Lilith was stronger than Andariel. However, lore-wise, I don't *think* there is any evidence for either side. I could just be forgetting something pivotal, however.
THEY DO NOT HAVE PARENTS. READ THE LORE. Not even Knaak's rewriting of the lore with the Sin War Trilogy changed this.
Mephisto is a parent. But did not have one.
They were spawned out of the chaos in the Black Abyss. In a way it is similar to almost all creation stories. There is a area or realm of chaos in that realm eventually a being takes shape. Usually this is Gaia or mother earth. Though of course none of the prime evils then have a son which is the sky, but the spawning out of chaos is what is of note here.
Both Tyrael and Deckard Cain tell you this. As do several of the tomes in the Diablo 1 game and manual.
Diablo is the Strongest. I can whomp on Mephisto and Baal with ease. I get my ass handed to me constantly by Diablo. Damn Lightning Inferno. Also in the Sin War Diablo is at one point referred to as the Lord of Hell. So it is not just in Lazarus' possibly biassed rantings and ravings.
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Baal had that god annoying cold triangle attack, which was a sorceress killer in single player.
Diablo had the ring of fire and the lightning inferno, as Elfen said, which made it near impossible without TPs (lol).
Mephisto.... was easy.
So then we have Baal and Diablo, and I, personally, thought that Baal was a little bit harder than Diablo, due to the fact that you had to fight 2 of them, their attacks were ridiculously powerful, and so on.
All I know is I walked onto into a public restroom earlier today to wash my hands and was hit by the strongest prime evil ever in the stall behind me. Barely made it out without hurling.
In fact Diablo is the leader and the strongest of prime evils and hell. (Source: Diablo I tomes) So the game's called "Diablo"
Also there is some wrong info about their age too.Diablo is not middle aged prime evil.Mephisto is the oldest, Baal is middle aged and Diablo is the youngest brother...
Hope the confusion about this will end.
Never heard anyone say that (that Diablo is the middle-oldest), where'd you find it? And we actually have a thread for this discussion somewhere
And Baal wasn't using the Worldstone, he was corrupting it- he was using his own power against you. Although I agree cannon-wise that Diablo should be the strongest.
Diablo tries to become Lord of the Sanctuary also. (not his brothers) (Source: Diablo I in game tomes)
Ofc they don't know who haven't played original Diablo yet
BTW how was he corrupting the worldstone without using the power of it?
His power he draws from his Soulstone. He was only corrupting the Worldstone to defunct the barriers (and then Tyrael ultimately destroyed the Worldstone because he corrupted it, breaking the barriers- supposedly- anyway.)
The game's name is enough for who's the strongest and leader among prime evils. "Diablo" since 1996
In Practice- Nobody. The three prime evils are more or less equally powerful. Hell being the land of chaos, if one of the brothers were stronger than the others don't you think he would have offed the other 2? Ruling hell by yourself sounds much more appealing than having to deal with 2 other people. And the idea of a non-aggression pact seems... ridiculous. These are the most vile, despicable, foul demons in all of existence. If there was an opportunity to manipulate, connive, back-stab, or cheat the way to power none of them would hesitate to do anything to succeed. Kill your brothers? Yup. Poke out their eyes with their own horns and shovel their brains out through their eye sockets? Just another day in hell. Demons don't have morals.
There is an important distinction between poetic justice and irony. Poetic justice kills a homicidal maniac with his own gun. Irony makes a homicidal maniac's gun drip water out the barrel.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
BTW you're right.There must be one ruler if he is the strongest, leader and yep there is. Diablo is the absolute ruler of hell and he tries to become the lord of sanctuary also (his brothers just help him to become lord of sanctuary)
Here's the link for proofs.
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14782
The reason he isn't the last boss is because they didn't want to release Diablo II with out Diablo as the last boss.
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What PhrozenDragon was saying was that don't assume there parents are going to be in the game when they are probably not.
THEY DO NOT HAVE PARENTS. READ THE LORE. Not even Knaak's rewriting of the lore with the Sin War Trilogy changed this.
Mephisto is a parent. But did not have one.
They were spawned out of the chaos in the Black Abyss. In a way it is similar to almost all creation stories. There is a area or realm of chaos in that realm eventually a being takes shape. Usually this is Gaia or mother earth. Though of course none of the prime evils then have a son which is the sky, but the spawning out of chaos is what is of note here.
Both Tyrael and Deckard Cain tell you this. As do several of the tomes in the Diablo 1 game and manual.
Diablo is the Strongest. I can whomp on Mephisto and Baal with ease. I get my ass handed to me constantly by Diablo. Damn Lightning Inferno. Also in the Sin War Diablo is at one point referred to as the Lord of Hell. So it is not just in Lazarus' possibly biassed rantings and ravings.
Diablo had the ring of fire and the lightning inferno, as Elfen said, which made it near impossible without TPs (lol).
Mephisto.... was easy.
So then we have Baal and Diablo, and I, personally, thought that Baal was a little bit harder than Diablo, due to the fact that you had to fight 2 of them, their attacks were ridiculously powerful, and so on.