This is an excellent opportunity for up and coming artists.
Yeah, the usual "this is a great opportunity for you, you should work for me for free and the prize will be to have it on my website!"
And as soon as these people go to design/art school their very first lecturer will tell them to vehemently avoid exactly these sorts of competitions. They are exploitive & dishonest at the very very least.
To anyone who takes themselves seriously (playing around or whatever is fine) have a read:
I've already talked with another artist who does some professional work and he said he's excited to give this a shot. I don't know where you get this idea that contests and competitions are despised. The guy actually said the same thing, this would look good in my portfolio.
And as soon as these people go to design/art school their very first lecturer will tell them to vehemently avoid exactly these sorts of competitions. They are exploitive & dishonest at the very very least.
How in the world do you figure that? We've said exactly what will come of this competition. Also you're speaking to a art student. Umpa.
If you're just a dude playing round in photoshop then go nuts. This is mostly a message to anyone who thinks of themselves as an aspiring / serious artist or designer
This is an excellent opportunity for up and coming artists.
Yeah, the usual "this is a great opportunity for you, you should work for me for free and the prize will be to have it on my website!"
And as soon as these people go to design/art school their very first lecturer will tell them to vehemently avoid exactly these sorts of competitions. They are exploitive & dishonest at the very very least.
To anyone who takes themselves seriously (playing around or whatever is fine) have a read:
I'm glad you feel this way. 1 more person I do not have to compete with. I know quite a bit about what is taught about the industry. I've made it a very serious point to do so.
Again, this is a fan site, started by fans, ran by fans, and made for fans. We're all in the same boat here. the original icon was also made by a fellow fan and friend. We all work together to make this place great because we are HUGE fans.
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"I want to say something but I'll keep it to myself I guess and leave this useless post behind to make you aware that there WAS something... "
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
You've made your point. You don't have to keep saying the same thing to get your message across. This isn't a commercial.
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"I want to say something but I'll keep it to myself I guess and leave this useless post behind to make you aware that there WAS something... "
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
I'm wondering where all those reference pictures came from. I've seen some of them, but others I've never seen before and they look awesome. Are they all blizzard artwork, or are some of them fan art?
I will surely give this contest a try. But this being said, I do understand the concerns stated above.
I am a graphic design student with some experience, and at the first glance I knew I would participate for free. But it is true that spec work is quite a big issue as I have been warned in some classes I have. I know the issue, I am preoccupied, but I just don't feel like complaining about this. Though, it would be wonderful if the DF admin would find some other reward than "having the chance to be on our website", even if it's not the biggest prize ever. Just to give us support in this issue.
That's my point of view.
Well as it stands right now we don't know how beta invites work. Typically when we get these sort of things we get two kinds staff ones and fan ones. We can only use staff for staff and fan one for fans. As of right now we are unsure if we will receive ANY extra ones beyond the 3 staff members who got them for attending Blizzcon this year on a press pass.
It's not that we don't want to pay anyone or reward them it's just that payment isn't a option we all basically work for free, money isn't an option. IF we can get some fan beta invites I'm almost certain (I haven't cleared this with the other staff but it seems 100% reasonable) that the winner will receive a beta invite if we receive the fan ones. That's a very unknown subject right now though so we don't want to promise anything we can't come through with.
Again it's not that we don't want to reward you guys in one way or another, and if you'd rather not participate for whatever reason your professors or a site told you that's fine we have plenty of people willing. We're not really asking for free handouts, we have capable graphic artists at our disposal, we just thought this would be a fun opportunity to get the community involved and have some fun.
I hope this clears some things up. If you feel it's in your best interest for whatever reason not to do it, that's fine. I know Umpa and a couple other artists want to do it to help showcase their work to Blizzard, to support the site, and just for fun.
Payment is just not an option right now, and I'm sorry if you all feel cheated by this in some way.
My "some other reward" wasn't about money either, I don't think fans must be paid to do something fun and valuable to their eyes as for the community we're part of. I thought more about a fun prize, beta key is sure real fun (but I wasn't thinking THAT big), I don't know if you understand what I mean by this: just to say you support the work.
I'm totally OK with doing something for free as it is simply for fun, that's why I didn't felt like complaining: I understand the spec work issue, but I don't think we're totally in the right context to categorize this contest into that type of work.
This is why I will participate with fun and eager to see other professional's work, that I do hope for.
This contest is all about having fun and bringing the community together. We are not out here trying to exploit struggling artists. We are hoping, and there is, some people out there with a lot of talent who would like to do this just for fun. We wanted to involve the community in this venture and see who and what would come about. If you do not want to participate, that is more than fine. You don't have to. But please do not make it seem like we are trying to take advantage of others. This is just a fun contest and an opportunity for people to be a bigger part of this amazing community.
As for better prizes, we would all love to be able to give something in return for your hard work. However, this just is not possible. Like Daemaro said, the staff here on DFans "work" countless hours on the site,with little to no compensation, making the place an awesome community and they do it all for the love of Diablo and the community. We are hoping there are others out there as well who would not might spending some of their time to make something they are proud of and see it displayed. IF, and this is a big IF, we are able to get our hands on something to give as a prize like a beta key, you bet we will add it to the prize. But again, we cannot guarantee anything right now and therefore will not offer it as a "possible" prize as many people would be upset if we never came through with it.
So please enter if you want to have some fun and would like to contribute to the community in this way.
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you can place them here and discuss. the other thread is meant purely for submissions.
Cheers! =)
So here it is... what do you guys think??
I like how you try to keep it simple, but a couple of things I think need to be improved, firstly, with the white background it looks like Diablo is wearing a tiara as the 3 candles get lost. Also, again with the white background, it looks too obvious that the head has an outline that sticks out, maybe you could add a glow or shadow behind and around the head to help make it blend in more.
Another thing that I think isn't quite working is the word fans is quite small and if the logo is used with a small resolution it could become unreadable. So I would suggest making that a bit larger.
timbobaskins p2 post #21 - This looks awesome, but he just needs a more detailed (not so pixelated) head and make the text more curvy or more diablo-y or something like that. Love the eyes thou. Then that's the winner for me.
Yeah, the usual "this is a great opportunity for you, you should work for me for free and the prize will be to have it on my website!"
And as soon as these people go to design/art school their very first lecturer will tell them to vehemently avoid exactly these sorts of competitions. They are exploitive & dishonest at the very very least.
To anyone who takes themselves seriously (playing around or whatever is fine) have a read:
http://supernicestudio.com/rfp/ - the end all educational resource for both designer and client. Check the links and you'll find there's entire communities that fight exactly this sort of competition...
http://graphicdesignblender.com/dont-offer-free-design-services - a few short concise reasons
http://shouldiworkforfree.com/ - jessica Hiche is awesome and provides a nice flowchart
How in the world do you figure that? We've said exactly what will come of this competition. Also you're speaking to a art student. Umpa.
I'm glad you feel this way. 1 more person I do not have to compete with. I know quite a bit about what is taught about the industry. I've made it a very serious point to do so.
Again, this is a fan site, started by fans, ran by fans, and made for fans. We're all in the same boat here. the original icon was also made by a fellow fan and friend. We all work together to make this place great because we are HUGE fans.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
You've speculated that it may or may not be a good opportunity for a designer.
Google "spec work" and see what you can learn about it, and how it's one of the largest issues facing the design industry today.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
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I am a graphic design student with some experience, and at the first glance I knew I would participate for free. But it is true that spec work is quite a big issue as I have been warned in some classes I have. I know the issue, I am preoccupied, but I just don't feel like complaining about this. Though, it would be wonderful if the DF admin would find some other reward than "having the chance to be on our website", even if it's not the biggest prize ever. Just to give us support in this issue.
That's my point of view.
It's not that we don't want to pay anyone or reward them it's just that payment isn't a option we all basically work for free, money isn't an option. IF we can get some fan beta invites I'm almost certain (I haven't cleared this with the other staff but it seems 100% reasonable) that the winner will receive a beta invite if we receive the fan ones. That's a very unknown subject right now though so we don't want to promise anything we can't come through with.
Again it's not that we don't want to reward you guys in one way or another, and if you'd rather not participate for whatever reason your professors or a site told you that's fine we have plenty of people willing. We're not really asking for free handouts, we have capable graphic artists at our disposal, we just thought this would be a fun opportunity to get the community involved and have some fun.
I hope this clears some things up. If you feel it's in your best interest for whatever reason not to do it, that's fine. I know Umpa and a couple other artists want to do it to help showcase their work to Blizzard, to support the site, and just for fun.
Payment is just not an option right now, and I'm sorry if you all feel cheated by this in some way.
I'm totally OK with doing something for free as it is simply for fun, that's why I didn't felt like complaining: I understand the spec work issue, but I don't think we're totally in the right context to categorize this contest into that type of work.
This is why I will participate with fun and eager to see other professional's work, that I do hope for.
Thanks for making things clearer
As for better prizes, we would all love to be able to give something in return for your hard work. However, this just is not possible. Like Daemaro said, the staff here on DFans "work" countless hours on the site,with little to no compensation, making the place an awesome community and they do it all for the love of Diablo and the community. We are hoping there are others out there as well who would not might spending some of their time to make something they are proud of and see it displayed. IF, and this is a big IF, we are able to get our hands on something to give as a prize like a beta key, you bet we will add it to the prize. But again, we cannot guarantee anything right now and therefore will not offer it as a "possible" prize as many people would be upset if we never came through with it.
So please enter if you want to have some fun and would like to contribute to the community in this way.
Find any Diablo news? Contact me or anyone else on the News team
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I like how you try to keep it simple, but a couple of things I think need to be improved, firstly, with the white background it looks like Diablo is wearing a tiara as the 3 candles get lost. Also, again with the white background, it looks too obvious that the head has an outline that sticks out, maybe you could add a glow or shadow behind and around the head to help make it blend in more.
Another thing that I think isn't quite working is the word fans is quite small and if the logo is used with a small resolution it could become unreadable. So I would suggest making that a bit larger.
But overall, I think you're on the right track.
http://www.diablofans.com/topic/29099-official-diablofans-logo-contest-submission-thread/page__st__20
timbobaskins p2 post #21 - This looks awesome, but he just needs a more detailed (not so pixelated) head and make the text more curvy or more diablo-y or something like that. Love the eyes thou. Then that's the winner for me.