Ok, so ive been a xp user most of my life. And ive got this apple fever goin on.
So im just a bit curious about them. Plus if i decide to get a apple i can still playD3. but if not, ill just build a nice rig. Have any of you expirienced an apple?
Blizzard games can be played on macs
but macs suck.
the only good thing about macs are the lack of viruses.
people claim that programs work better on macs etc but having used similar programs on both PC and macs (PC at home, Macs at school) i just find it BS.
you can get a much better PC for the same price as a Mac, and even better one if you decide to build a PC than buy it off the shelf.
basically not much other games for you if you decide to buy a Mac unless you use boot camp which basically says how much Macs suck that you have to have a PC OS in addition to your Mac OS (you don't see that happening woth PCs)
Apple used to claim how much better their processors run compared to PCs than they went and changed their processors to PC (intel) processors.
and they subsequently said that Intel processors are superior to what they were using, which basically says everything about how they promote their so called superior machines.
disclaimer,
i have a deep dislike for apple products because of how they promote their stuff, basically the "poser" of the product world.
so take what i've said however you like, an honest review or a biased review
To put it in simpler terms: If you are a serious gamer and want to play new stuff, you'll benefit the most from a PC. If D3 is all you want to play, then it doesn't make that much of a difference gaming-wise.
PlugY for Diablo II allows you to reset skills and stats, transfer items between characters in singleplayer, obtain all ladder runewords and do all Uberquests while offline. It is the only way to do all of the above. Please use it.
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It really depends on what you want to do, you mentioned Diablo3 and we know that Blizzard makes games compatible with Macs so it's not a problem. But you're probably not buying a computer only for Diablo3, what else will you use it for?
I have a mac and its awesome. If you want to go with PC because of the games thats really the only reason to do it.
1. Macs will never crash EVER
2. Viruses cant get on them and trust me i've tried.
3. Microsoft Office can run on the Mac OS without having to use bootcamp.
4. If u want to use some of the Microsoft programs that wont work on a Mac use Parrallel. Parrallel is a program that lets you switch back and forth between the Mac and Windows OS's with the touch of a button. It doesnt partition the drive its all on the same one. The Microsoft OS while it still uses internet explorer or Mozzila if u want the Mac sides virus protection is still protecting u while on the windows side cause its the same drive.
5. Microsoft proccescers( not the OS the actually proccesor) with monitor,Keyboard etc cost the same amount as a brand new Mac labtop. Of course u could go with a dell and have to replace it in a year or 2.
It works... exceedingly well. It was quite expensive (actually cheaper than my last PC laptop), but I don't have to fight with it to get it to work. And, it runs Windows (as well as Windows can be run) if I absolutely need to play a game which was made by a programmers who lack the skill to make a program which works in Mac OS X.
With a Mac I do lose something that I used to have as a PC (Windows) user. That was the sense of accomplishment I would so rarely get when I actually managed to trick my computer into running a program correctly. My PC (It was a laptop, as is my Mac) couldn't run most games that it should have been able to because neither the company who made the video card, nor the company which produced the laptop would make drivers for it, so I was stuck with the ones that it came with for the entire time I had it. I suppose with all the money I was (or wasn't, actually) saving, I should have enrolled in a video driver programming course...
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Apple has finally acknowledged that spyware and viruses are a threat for Mac OS X, as well as the latest operating system in the works, Snow Leopard. Snow Leopard will be adding new technology to help prevent against attacks such as sandboxing and anti-phishing features in Safari. This, however, is not a 100% solution to protect against malware.
win7 has replaced even my linux boxes
do your own research OP, asking people on a fansite wont get you expert opinions
Ok, so ive been a xp user most of my life. And ive got this apple fever goin on.
So im just a bit curious about them. Plus if i decide to get a apple i can still playD3. but if not, ill just build a nice rig. Have any of you expirienced an apple?
The Macs are certainly going to be able to play Diablo III and a few other games. However, as far as gaming goes, there is certainly no benefit to be seen with a Mac.
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It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
Posting just to tell Camel Clutch he is an idiot. Having OS use 64 bit mode is nothing but improvement, even if all userspace is 32 bit. There are no drawbacks and no "other problems" (except for maybe drivers, which should not be a problem unless you are running on some archaic hardware). You are pulling stuff out of your ass. You don't know shit about programming yet are claiming that porting userspace programs to 64 bit is difficult (it's not).
My point is: you are a gigantic idiot and are flashing your ignorance around (words like Winblows are dead giveaway). Nice job.
yep, 64bit is definitely far superior to a 32bit even if it is just for the amount of ram that a 64bit system is able to use compared to a 32bit
and Win7 won't haven much bugs or problems as it is essentially an upgraded version of Vista and not a totally new OS
and everyone that i've talked to or posted on forums i have visited have been nothing but positive about Win 7 and that was when it was still in beta
It works... exceedingly well. It was quite expensive (actually cheaper than my last PC laptop), but I don't have to fight with it to get it to work. And, it runs Windows (as well as Windows can be run) if I absolutely need to play a game which was made by a programmers who lack the skill to make a program which works in Mac OS X.
With a Mac I do lose something that I used to have as a PC (Windows) user. That was the sense of accomplishment I would so rarely get when I actually managed to trick my computer into running a program correctly. My PC (It was a laptop, as is my Mac) couldn't run most games that it should have been able to because neither the company who made the video card, nor the company which produced the laptop would make drivers for it, so I was stuck with the ones that it came with for the entire time I had it. I suppose with all the money I was (or wasn't, actually) saving, I should have enrolled in a video driver programming course...
Hahahaha what the hell are you talking about?
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Seems like the Mac vs PC thread turned into some kind of x64 vs x86 discussion... I guess I'll give my opinion on this since I know more about this than Mac vs PC.
First, x64 =/= 64bits -> Read on it if you want, but there's a huge difference between what Intel released around year 2000(pure 64bit) and what AMD released(x64) in early 2004. A 64bit operating system can run anything that a x86(32bit) can. x64 is a mix between pure 64bits technology, and the old x86(286, 386, 486 and all penthiums) technology. Only some drivers, DLLs, and poorly programmed(using x86 DLLS only, etc.) applications wont run correctly.
2nd, 64bits improves a lot more than only the 'max ram you can have', every calculation that is more than 2+2 will take advantage of it. A higher max ram doesn't make any program faster. BUT, if you're like me, running more than 1 application at the time on your computer, it helps a lot to have more.
I usually run : Any recent game + MSN Messenger + Web browser opened on forums + Facebook + Windows Media Player for music (+ Windows)... It can often take more than the 3.xxG max you can have with 32bits.
We've recently made the switch from XP32 to Vista64 at job for about 1/3 of our 150 workstations, and I was in the team who had to make sure that every application was still working in Vista64. Do you want me to make a(obviously long) list of the applications that wouldn't work? Here it is, get ready : None(Except an homemade tool for SolidWorks, which was updated within 2days).
You said we saw many issues with 64bits, and it was only the start! Well, like someone said, those problems were the start, in 2000... The IT progression is going fast enough that 9 years later, most applications can run without any problem in an x64 environment.
I'm not saying you HAVE to use a 64bits box to be able to run games, or that you need more than 4g to do anything nowadays, but I think that staying with a 32bit XP OS when your machine is powerful enough for 64bits(don't forget there's an XP64bits too...) is a bit like using pen + paper for the accountability of an enterprise... It still works great and we're used to it, but hell we'd be able to do so much more things using a computer...
Edit: And BTW, nowadays most processors + motherboards are native 64bits, the only thing that decides if your computer is running 32 or 64bits is the OS you're installing on. It wont be more expensive to have a 64bits rig, so why not installing the OS that'll use your computer to the max of his performances?
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Well, macs are more used for development from what I've heard (ie game design, sound engineering, etc) at least that's where its strengths lie. From the best of my knowledge though, Mac parts are not upgradable (ie have fun shelling out tons of money buying a new Mac when your old one becomes an expensive doorstop) Also Windows 7 is supposed to be taking some of the better liked Mac OSX features from what I've read. You will also probably be limited on the games you can buy as I think a lot of companies don't support Mac (not 100% on this). Basically I would go PC if you want to game and if you know how to build em you can make a pretty cheap gaming rig that can hold its own.
Oh and as far as the 32 and 64 debate; won't matter with Windows 7 as it ships with both a 32bit and 64bit version. Even if you buy a pre-built system most companies offer a free upgrade to Windows 7.
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So im just a bit curious about them. Plus if i decide to get a apple i can still playD3. but if not, ill just build a nice rig. Have any of you expirienced an apple?
but macs suck.
the only good thing about macs are the lack of viruses.
people claim that programs work better on macs etc but having used similar programs on both PC and macs (PC at home, Macs at school) i just find it BS.
you can get a much better PC for the same price as a Mac, and even better one if you decide to build a PC than buy it off the shelf.
basically not much other games for you if you decide to buy a Mac unless you use boot camp which basically says how much Macs suck that you have to have a PC OS in addition to your Mac OS (you don't see that happening woth PCs)
Apple used to claim how much better their processors run compared to PCs than they went and changed their processors to PC (intel) processors.
and they subsequently said that Intel processors are superior to what they were using, which basically says everything about how they promote their so called superior machines.
disclaimer,
i have a deep dislike for apple products because of how they promote their stuff, basically the "poser" of the product world.
so take what i've said however you like, an honest review or a biased review
Sorry, I had to post it
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It really depends on what you want to do, you mentioned Diablo3 and we know that Blizzard makes games compatible with Macs so it's not a problem. But you're probably not buying a computer only for Diablo3, what else will you use it for?
After a quick search on google, I'd suggest to take a small look at this, it seems to pretty much cover it...
http://www.wikihow.com/Choose-Between-an-Apple-Macintosh-and-Other-PCs
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Personally, I'm sold to PC, probably because of the possibility of customization.
computing isn't for you
windows 7 is out now:hammy:
1. Macs will never crash EVER
2. Viruses cant get on them and trust me i've tried.
3. Microsoft Office can run on the Mac OS without having to use bootcamp.
4. If u want to use some of the Microsoft programs that wont work on a Mac use Parrallel. Parrallel is a program that lets you switch back and forth between the Mac and Windows OS's with the touch of a button. It doesnt partition the drive its all on the same one. The Microsoft OS while it still uses internet explorer or Mozzila if u want the Mac sides virus protection is still protecting u while on the windows side cause its the same drive.
5. Microsoft proccescers( not the OS the actually proccesor) with monitor,Keyboard etc cost the same amount as a brand new Mac labtop. Of course u could go with a dell and have to replace it in a year or 2.
It works... exceedingly well. It was quite expensive (actually cheaper than my last PC laptop), but I don't have to fight with it to get it to work. And, it runs Windows (as well as Windows can be run) if I absolutely need to play a game which was made by a programmers who lack the skill to make a program which works in Mac OS X.
With a Mac I do lose something that I used to have as a PC (Windows) user. That was the sense of accomplishment I would so rarely get when I actually managed to trick my computer into running a program correctly. My PC (It was a laptop, as is my Mac) couldn't run most games that it should have been able to because neither the company who made the video card, nor the company which produced the laptop would make drivers for it, so I was stuck with the ones that it came with for the entire time I had it. I suppose with all the money I was (or wasn't, actually) saving, I should have enrolled in a video driver programming course...
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lulz
they most certainly do crash
it is a black box kernel panic that tells you to restart your computer, I've seen them
try to learn about computers befor you offer advice
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1392
there is your bsod kiddies
and viruses exist in your mac world
and if anything they are more dangerous because the lack of technical knowledge of a mac user
so keep thinking you are safe
http://www.securemac.com/
win7 has replaced even my linux boxes
do your own research OP, asking people on a fansite wont get you expert opinions
win7 is very stable in everything (actually runs apps like games better)
The Macs are certainly going to be able to play Diablo III and a few other games. However, as far as gaming goes, there is certainly no benefit to be seen with a Mac.
It's the decisions you make when you have no time to make them that define who you are.
My point is: you are a gigantic idiot and are flashing your ignorance around (words like Winblows are dead giveaway). Nice job.
and Win7 won't haven much bugs or problems as it is essentially an upgraded version of Vista and not a totally new OS
and everyone that i've talked to or posted on forums i have visited have been nothing but positive about Win 7 and that was when it was still in beta
First, x64 =/= 64bits -> Read on it if you want, but there's a huge difference between what Intel released around year 2000(pure 64bit) and what AMD released(x64) in early 2004. A 64bit operating system can run anything that a x86(32bit) can. x64 is a mix between pure 64bits technology, and the old x86(286, 386, 486 and all penthiums) technology. Only some drivers, DLLs, and poorly programmed(using x86 DLLS only, etc.) applications wont run correctly.
2nd, 64bits improves a lot more than only the 'max ram you can have', every calculation that is more than 2+2 will take advantage of it. A higher max ram doesn't make any program faster. BUT, if you're like me, running more than 1 application at the time on your computer, it helps a lot to have more.
I usually run : Any recent game + MSN Messenger + Web browser opened on forums + Facebook + Windows Media Player for music (+ Windows)... It can often take more than the 3.xxG max you can have with 32bits.
We've recently made the switch from XP32 to Vista64 at job for about 1/3 of our 150 workstations, and I was in the team who had to make sure that every application was still working in Vista64. Do you want me to make a(obviously long) list of the applications that wouldn't work? Here it is, get ready : None(Except an homemade tool for SolidWorks, which was updated within 2days).
You said we saw many issues with 64bits, and it was only the start! Well, like someone said, those problems were the start, in 2000... The IT progression is going fast enough that 9 years later, most applications can run without any problem in an x64 environment.
I'm not saying you HAVE to use a 64bits box to be able to run games, or that you need more than 4g to do anything nowadays, but I think that staying with a 32bit XP OS when your machine is powerful enough for 64bits(don't forget there's an XP64bits too...) is a bit like using pen + paper for the accountability of an enterprise... It still works great and we're used to it, but hell we'd be able to do so much more things using a computer...
Edit: And BTW, nowadays most processors + motherboards are native 64bits, the only thing that decides if your computer is running 32 or 64bits is the OS you're installing on. It wont be more expensive to have a 64bits rig, so why not installing the OS that'll use your computer to the max of his performances?
Macs are better in some ways but certainly not running games...
and i agree, no reason to stick to 32bit if you have the option of 64bit
Oh and as far as the 32 and 64 debate; won't matter with Windows 7 as it ships with both a 32bit and 64bit version. Even if you buy a pre-built system most companies offer a free upgrade to Windows 7.