If all drugs went legal I would put in an extra effort to live in the good part of town. I imagine the number of bums would grow as more people try drugs and end up destroying their lives. I hate most bums, especially the ones pan handling outside of shopping centers where they could get a job if they just walked through the fucking door. I have noticed more and more bums showing themselves in my area, to the point where I enjoy counting them now. Some of them have pretty funny signs, which earns them a some loot. Some come with their whole damn family, babies and all, they don't get shit. You have the wounded gimp ones who I feel bad for, but I give them the stink eye because I am a bad person. And then you have the ones with essay signs claiming their wife has cancer, I hate them the most, since cancer robbed me of family, and I just feel like they're lying. This one bum has his bed set up right on the mother fucking shoulder of the free way. I could high five him going 60 if I wanted.
I think the heavy hitters should stay illegal, the ones that can fuck up your life and make you lose all you have. It's never fun to see someone turn into a withering shell of who they once were, begging for more destruction. And the less bums the better.
Define a heavy hitter. Where do you draw the line?
I enjoy a nice Bong from Time to Time, and i dont really understand why its still illegal in most Countrys.
Its a nice beverage and i like the high...i dont really drink Alcohol, or take any other drugs.
Everything beyond Marihuana... i dont think it should be Legal to the Public.
Mainly because it destroys your Health, your Brain etc...
Some conclussions in this thread are just... mindblowing. Use whatever you want, do whatever you want; but only as long your willing to suffer the consequence of your actions. Dumbest shit I´ve ever heard.
I have to agree here. It's dumb to just say use what you want, because even if you said here you can use and buy the cleanest purest cocaine crack, meth, heroin and whatever else you want in the world, it doesn't change the fact that people will still use it and eventually want to use more as they get used to the high and then eventually they'll OD and eventually they'll get high enough where they do something reckless that doesn't just endanger themselves but others as well. This is the one and only problem I can see.
Marijuana is fine, doesn't really do anything anyway, cocaine is a useful drug but in a very controlled manner, say as a replacement for vike's or Oxycontin. It really depends on the drug. One thing is for sure though these drugs need to be well tested and researched before anything gets done about legalization. We can talk all we want about how this or that should be legal but without the right medical research we can't know for sure exactly how much is okay, how much exactly is bad, which are the ones that have the pros outweigh the cons. Stuff like this needs to be answered.
If a drug can make you kill someone or do something reckless, it shouldn't be legal. PERIOD. The only reason Alcohol is excluded is because you have to be stupid to get that drunk. It's not as easy as one would think. I've been drunk plenty of times but I never ever get to that point and I never will because I don't need to. Understanding the effects of a drug goes a long way.
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Some conclussions in this thread are just... mindblowing. Use whatever you want, do whatever you want; but only as long your willing to suffer the consequence of your actions. Dumbest shit I´ve ever heard.
I have to agree here. It's dumb to just say use what you want, because even if you said here you can use and buy the cleanest purest cocaine crack, meth, heroin and whatever else you want in the world, it doesn't change the fact that people will still use it and eventually want to use more as they get used to the high and then eventually they'll OD and eventually they'll get high enough where they do something reckless that doesn't just endanger themselves but others as well. This is the one and only problem I can see.
Marijuana is fine, doesn't really do anything anyway, cocaine is a useful drug but in a very controlled manner, say as a replacement for vike's or Oxycontin. It really depends on the drug. One thing is for sure though these drugs need to be well tested and researched before anything gets done about legalization. We can talk all we want about how this or that should be legal but without the right medical research we can't know for sure exactly how much is okay, how much exactly is bad, which are the ones that have the pros outweigh the cons. Stuff like this needs to be answered.
If a drug can make you kill someone or do something reckless, it shouldn't be legal. PERIOD. The only reason Alcohol is excluded is because you have to be stupid to get that drunk. It's not as easy as one would think. I've been drunk plenty of times but I never ever get to that point and I never will because I don't need to. Understanding the effects of a drug goes a long way.
So I can easily say that you must be that stupid to get THAT high. It's never an easy topic because there isn't a clear line when you try to exclude things. Honestly, I wish that most people would never do heroin or PCP, because those are the drugs that tend to fuck people up. However, it's extremely hard to give it a reason to be illegal when you are legalizing everything else.
Also I've been that drunk. It's very easy to get very drunk especially when you're in a college party environment where everyone is just raging their tits off. No one wants to get belligerently drunk, but when you're in a good mood, you're talking to girls, Lil Jon is playing, you're heart is beating fast, and you just don't give a fuck, it's so easy to cross the line. Again, this is no reason to make it illegal, the same goes with other drugs. You have to put into people that maybe taking twenty lines of coke isn't the best idea. Will there be accidents? Of course. EDUCATE PEOPLE! Don't tell them "don't do drugs". Tell them safe ways to use them, overdose levels, addiction, the positive and negative effects, etc. This would save soooo many people from throwing their lives away and killing themselves.
Can the people who have said "No" please speak up? I know it is a poll but it is kind of strange that all of you have voted and simply left.
I didn't vote yet, but I'd probably rather vote no (or maybe the third option, because you need to differentiate). I had too many IRL discussion with people to know from experience it's a waste of time. You see statistics like the one Xenocow posted thrown at you (I run on coffee, you can do the same thing for coffee, there are a million statistics to proof that coffee is lethal and another million to proof that it'll make you immortal).
Didn't read some of the walls of text in this post and won't read them now because it's too late over here, but I think someone touched upon the right point: it's not about legalizing drugs or prohibiting their use. It's all about educating people. (And whenever I talk to some drug users, I realize that's still a looooooong way to go.)
Can the people who have said "No" please speak up? I know it is a poll but it is kind of strange that all of you have voted and simply left.
I didn't vote yet, but I'd probably rather vote no (or maybe the third option, because you need to differentiate). I had too many IRL discussion with people to know from experience it's a waste of time. You see statistics like the one Xenocow posted thrown at you (I run on coffee, you can do the same thing for coffee, there are a million statistics to proof that coffee is lethal and another million to proof that it'll make you immortal).
Didn't read some of the walls of text in this post and won't read them now because it's too late over here, but I think someone touched upon the right point: it's not about legalizing drugs or prohibiting their use. It's all about educating people. (And whenever I talk to some drug users, I realize that's still a looooooong way to go.)
So change the drug education. I think I've said this at least 20 times on each of my posts. Change it so it's not "drugs are bad" based. Show the pros and cons of each drugs and the effects they have on the human body. Also teach them street terms and other things that can be useful. After review, people will realize that psychedelics aren't that bad for you and it's the heroin and PCPs you want to stay the hell away from.
Oh, and has anyone heard of the new Russian drug called Krokodil? Holy mother of fuck! Scary shit.
Here are my thoughts on why I voted yes to all three despite no longer doing any illicit drugs.
1. It is immaterial to me whether or not someone gets high so long as they aren't doing things which harm others. If they are harming others, then prosecute those specific behaviors, such as driving under the influence, theft or assault.
2. The war on drugs has been an abject failure in America and it's a giant waste of time and money. Despite decades since it started, drugs are still everywhere.
3. The current president of the US did a lot of drugs, by his own admission and there are people serving prison sentences right now for doing less than he did. How many people's lives have these laws ruined? If Obama had gone to prison for possession of cocaine, he certainly wouldn't be president right now.
4. Drug laws create black markets, which in term funnels money to bad people and avoids taxes. By legalizing drugs, we can reduce funds going to terrorists and gangs, clear drug users out of our prisons to make way for people who actually need to be there, increase the tax base and enforce safety standards. Additionally, we can bring addicts out of the shadows, allowing them to seek help without fear of prosecution if they relapse.
5. Decriminalizing drugs would lead to fewer safety concerns. For example, the spread of HIV due to shared needles would lessen, and people wouldn't need to keep inventing more and more dangerous drugs (ie bath salts) to try to stay legal. Not to mention you're way less likely to get caught in a violent situation if you are buying drugs at a convenience store instead of from someone standing on a street corner.
6. At the very least, we should decriminalize pot, and probably acid, mushrooms, hash and some prescription narcotics as well. The argument against pot is that it has a tendency to make people lazy and unmotivated. The argument against crack is that it has a tendency to kill people or make them psychotic and potentially violent. In my opinion, pot is only a gateway drug because we act as though all drugs are equally dangerous, both in the law and in the way we teach kids about drugs.
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I don't really care about the legality of "hardcore" chemical drugs (the likes of heroin, meth, amphetamines, synthetic/semi-synthetic opiates, benzodiazepenes...etc). What I care about is the stark idiocy of making naturally available things illegal. The consumption of things like mushrooms, cactus (peyote/San Pedro), root bark (mimosa, banisteriopsis) , marijuana should logically be up to each and every human. You can warn and inform, but it's ridiculous and silly to make nature illegal. This even extends to substances such as LSD, which has shown time and time again its benefit to human beings.
"I believe that with the advent of acid, we discovered a new way to think, and it has to do with piecing together new thoughts in your mind. Why is it that people think it's so evil? What is it about it that scares people so deeply, even the guy that invented it, what is it? Because they're afraid that there's more to reality than they have confronted. That there are doors that they're afraid to go in, and they don't want us to go in there either, because if we go in we might learn something that they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control" - Ken Kesey
I don't really care about the legality of "hardcore" chemical drugs (the likes of heroin, meth, amphetamines, synthetic/semi-synthetic opiates, benzodiazepenes...etc). What I care about is the stark idiocy of making naturally available things illegal. The consumption of things like mushrooms, cactus (peyote/San Pedro), root bark (mimosa, banisteriopsis) , marijuana should logically be up to each and every human. You can warn and inform, but it's ridiculous and silly to make nature illegal. This even extends to substances such as LSD, which has shown time and time again its benefit to human beings.
"I believe that with the advent of acid, we discovered a new way to think, and it has to do with piecing together new thoughts in your mind. Why is it that people think it's so evil? What is it about it that scares people so deeply, even the guy that invented it, what is it? Because they're afraid that there's more to reality than they have confronted. That there are doors that they're afraid to go in, and they don't want us to go in there either, because if we go in we might learn something that they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control" - Ken Kesey
As a chemist, it drives me mad whenever I read/hear : natural = good, chemical = bad. Natural products can be absolutely harmless or deadly poisonous, just like artificially produced molecules...
Also, I laugh (respectfully) at "Should drugs be researched for their medical effects ?". Do you really believe they aren't already ?
You misunderstood. This topic is asking about drugs. There are two classes of drugs, synthetic and natural. I said all the synthetic ones, I do not really care about. THen I advocated the natural ones, never saying "they should be legal because natural is better than chemical". I said natural should be legal because..well, it's natural. That's it.
Psychedelic drugs are vastly under-researched and minimally understood, by the way.
To op: you don't know heroin. Let me tell you just this: imagine your strongest orgasm x100 intensity, for the entire trip. I think it's a day. It gets everyone addicted, without a miss. That's what I'm told. Some drugs should never be legalized, like krokodil etc. And LSD can really give you a good experience but it fucked up a lot of people for life as well. Some trips you never, ever get out. Never :/
True, but you can't blame the substance. Something triggered that bad trip, external or internal, and is almost always due to a fault in set/setting.
Define a heavy hitter. Where do you draw the line?
Its a nice beverage and i like the high...i dont really drink Alcohol, or take any other drugs.
Everything beyond Marihuana... i dont think it should be Legal to the Public.
Mainly because it destroys your Health, your Brain etc...
Perhaps only under heavy medical supervision.
Marijuana is fine, doesn't really do anything anyway, cocaine is a useful drug but in a very controlled manner, say as a replacement for vike's or Oxycontin. It really depends on the drug. One thing is for sure though these drugs need to be well tested and researched before anything gets done about legalization. We can talk all we want about how this or that should be legal but without the right medical research we can't know for sure exactly how much is okay, how much exactly is bad, which are the ones that have the pros outweigh the cons. Stuff like this needs to be answered.
If a drug can make you kill someone or do something reckless, it shouldn't be legal. PERIOD. The only reason Alcohol is excluded is because you have to be stupid to get that drunk. It's not as easy as one would think. I've been drunk plenty of times but I never ever get to that point and I never will because I don't need to. Understanding the effects of a drug goes a long way.
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So I can easily say that you must be that stupid to get THAT high. It's never an easy topic because there isn't a clear line when you try to exclude things. Honestly, I wish that most people would never do heroin or PCP, because those are the drugs that tend to fuck people up. However, it's extremely hard to give it a reason to be illegal when you are legalizing everything else.
Also I've been that drunk. It's very easy to get very drunk especially when you're in a college party environment where everyone is just raging their tits off. No one wants to get belligerently drunk, but when you're in a good mood, you're talking to girls, Lil Jon is playing, you're heart is beating fast, and you just don't give a fuck, it's so easy to cross the line. Again, this is no reason to make it illegal, the same goes with other drugs. You have to put into people that maybe taking twenty lines of coke isn't the best idea. Will there be accidents? Of course. EDUCATE PEOPLE! Don't tell them "don't do drugs". Tell them safe ways to use them, overdose levels, addiction, the positive and negative effects, etc. This would save soooo many people from throwing their lives away and killing themselves.
lmao i have to admit that made me laugh, great response btw! love that movie!
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Can the people who have said "No" please speak up? I know it is a poll but it is kind of strange that all of you have voted and simply left.
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ModeratorI didn't vote yet, but I'd probably rather vote no (or maybe the third option, because you need to differentiate). I had too many IRL discussion with people to know from experience it's a waste of time. You see statistics like the one Xenocow posted thrown at you (I run on coffee, you can do the same thing for coffee, there are a million statistics to proof that coffee is lethal and another million to proof that it'll make you immortal).
Didn't read some of the walls of text in this post and won't read them now because it's too late over here, but I think someone touched upon the right point: it's not about legalizing drugs or prohibiting their use. It's all about educating people. (And whenever I talk to some drug users, I realize that's still a looooooong way to go.)
So change the drug education. I think I've said this at least 20 times on each of my posts. Change it so it's not "drugs are bad" based. Show the pros and cons of each drugs and the effects they have on the human body. Also teach them street terms and other things that can be useful. After review, people will realize that psychedelics aren't that bad for you and it's the heroin and PCPs you want to stay the hell away from.
Oh, and has anyone heard of the new Russian drug called Krokodil? Holy mother of fuck! Scary shit.
1. It is immaterial to me whether or not someone gets high so long as they aren't doing things which harm others. If they are harming others, then prosecute those specific behaviors, such as driving under the influence, theft or assault.
2. The war on drugs has been an abject failure in America and it's a giant waste of time and money. Despite decades since it started, drugs are still everywhere.
3. The current president of the US did a lot of drugs, by his own admission and there are people serving prison sentences right now for doing less than he did. How many people's lives have these laws ruined? If Obama had gone to prison for possession of cocaine, he certainly wouldn't be president right now.
4. Drug laws create black markets, which in term funnels money to bad people and avoids taxes. By legalizing drugs, we can reduce funds going to terrorists and gangs, clear drug users out of our prisons to make way for people who actually need to be there, increase the tax base and enforce safety standards. Additionally, we can bring addicts out of the shadows, allowing them to seek help without fear of prosecution if they relapse.
5. Decriminalizing drugs would lead to fewer safety concerns. For example, the spread of HIV due to shared needles would lessen, and people wouldn't need to keep inventing more and more dangerous drugs (ie bath salts) to try to stay legal. Not to mention you're way less likely to get caught in a violent situation if you are buying drugs at a convenience store instead of from someone standing on a street corner.
6. At the very least, we should decriminalize pot, and probably acid, mushrooms, hash and some prescription narcotics as well. The argument against pot is that it has a tendency to make people lazy and unmotivated. The argument against crack is that it has a tendency to kill people or make them psychotic and potentially violent. In my opinion, pot is only a gateway drug because we act as though all drugs are equally dangerous, both in the law and in the way we teach kids about drugs.
And everyone should be responsible for their actions, regardless of what is in their system.
"I believe that with the advent of acid, we discovered a new way to think, and it has to do with piecing together new thoughts in your mind. Why is it that people think it's so evil? What is it about it that scares people so deeply, even the guy that invented it, what is it? Because they're afraid that there's more to reality than they have confronted. That there are doors that they're afraid to go in, and they don't want us to go in there either, because if we go in we might learn something that they don't know. And that makes us a little out of their control" - Ken Kesey
You misunderstood. This topic is asking about drugs. There are two classes of drugs, synthetic and natural. I said all the synthetic ones, I do not really care about. THen I advocated the natural ones, never saying "they should be legal because natural is better than chemical". I said natural should be legal because..well, it's natural. That's it.
Psychedelic drugs are vastly under-researched and minimally understood, by the way.
True, but you can't blame the substance. Something triggered that bad trip, external or internal, and is almost always due to a fault in set/setting.