I never griefed, ganked, or ruined people's good time in Diablo 2, or WoW for that matter.
Taking out World PvP makes Diablo 3's endgame pretty worthless.
I suppose arena will be fun, but lack of spontaneous world pvp, coupled with the system of buying items with real money, makes the prospects of me being satisfied with the game pretty bleak.
Can't believe that the majority of this community actively petitions agains PvP, which can be made optional, and doesn't have to be part of your play style. Skill-less crybabies raining on my parade!
No one on this fansite took out hostility/ world pvp, so don't talk about other people crying when you're having a sook because you didn't get what you wanted.
Go cry to blizzard they have even less intent to listen.
I never griefed, ganked, or ruined people's good time in Diablo 2, or WoW for that matter.
Taking out World PvP makes Diablo 3's endgame pretty worthless.
I suppose arena will be fun, but lack of spontaneous world pvp, coupled with the system of buying items with real money, makes the prospects of me being satisfied with the game pretty bleak.
Can't believe that the majority of this community actively petitions agains PvP, which can be made optional, and doesn't have to be part of your play style. Skill-less crybabies raining on my parade!
Don't see the OP as crying at all. He displayed his opinion of how he played Diablo. Just like many of us have, where world PvP and PvP in general were the main aspects for end game. Just because he didn't MF or have issues killing monsters like a bunch of the PvM crowd doesn't make him a troll or wrong.
If you wanna generalize him as a troll, you generalize majority of PvP players as trolls, which is to say just as easy for me to generalize PvM players as carebears. Am I right? Probably not.
Don't see the OP as crying at all. He displayed his opinion of how he played Diablo. Just like many of us have, where world PvP and PvP in general were the main aspects for end game. Just because he didn't MF or have issues killing monsters like a bunch of the PvM crowd doesn't make him a troll or wrong.
If you wanna generalize him as a troll, you generalize majority of PvP players as trolls, which is to say just as easy for me to generalize PvM players as carebears. Am I right? Probably not.
You do realize that many of us that are posting against the PvP complaints actually have interest in the PvP system of Diablo 3 right? So 'carebear' doesn't fit the majority of us at all...sorry.
As for why people keep posting AGAINST these kind of threads is because the requests are unreasonable. The game is nearly released, asking for these kind of radical changes to the engine at this point is completely unrealistic. The best option for someone that feels this way about the game...is to not buy it.
I've explained in other threads as to why these features do not work, but I'll re-post it here...
Hostility doesn't work with the current design of Diablo 3. It was mostly used for griefing in Diablo 2 and segmented the community. In addition, due to the way Diablo 3 balances a game based on the number of players, you actually need most if not all of the players to effectively progress. This means that two people dueling mid-public game would essentially force the other two people to quit in order to keep playing...segmenting the community again. Hostility just doesn't work with the way Diablo 3 is designed.
The RMAH is actually a benefit to the community of Diablo 3. Many people complain about it allowing people to buy power, but people bought power all the time in Diablo 2. All it took was 3rd party websites setting up semi-automated shops using bots. I cannot even count the number of times I had people ask me to wait a minute while they bought gear for their newly leveled character. At least Blizzard will make a profit off of this trading in Diablo 3, allowing for more direct support for the game (PvM content, PvP content, Tech support, GM's, etc). I don't see how anyone can see this as a bad thing.
So, there you have it... both of the OP's complaints have been beaten to death, but keep getting brought up. This is why you see people assume troll and treat as such so often. I, myself still prefer to just point out WHY things were designed the way they were based on the information we have access to. In the end though, if people don't like the game so much that they are complaining it's a failure...they just shouldn't buy it. Buying a game when you say you hate it really seems silly, at least to me.
Don't see the OP as crying at all. He displayed his opinion of how he played Diablo. Just like many of us have, where world PvP and PvP in general were the main aspects for end game. Just because he didn't MF or have issues killing monsters like a bunch of the PvM crowd doesn't make him a troll or wrong.
If you wanna generalize him as a troll, you generalize majority of PvP players as trolls, which is to say just as easy for me to generalize PvM players as carebears. Am I right? Probably not.
You do realize that many of us that are posting against the PvP complaints actually have interest in the PvP system of Diablo 3 right? So 'carebear' doesn't fit the majority of us at all...sorry.
As for why people keep posting AGAINST these kind of threads is because the requests are unreasonable. The game is nearly released, asking for these kind of radical changes to the engine at this point is completely unrealistic. The best option for someone that feels this way about the game...is to not buy it.
I've explained in other threads as to why these features do not work, but I'll re-post it here...
Hostility doesn't work with the current design of Diablo 3. It was mostly used for griefing in Diablo 2 and segmented the community. In addition, due to the way Diablo 3 balances a game based on the number of players, you actually need most if not all of the players to effectively progress. This means that two people dueling mid-public game would essentially force the other two people to quit in order to keep playing...segmenting the community again. Hostility just doesn't work with the way Diablo 3 is designed.
The RMAH is actually a benefit to the community of Diablo 3. Many people complain about it allowing people to buy power, but people bought power all the time in Diablo 2. All it took was 3rd party websites setting up semi-automated shops using bots. I cannot even count the number of times I had people ask me to wait a minute while they bought gear for their newly leveled character. At least Blizzard will make a profit off of this trading in Diablo 3, allowing for more direct support for the game (PvM content, PvP content, Tech support, GM's, etc). I don't see how anyone can see this as a bad thing.
So, there you have it... both of the OP's complaints have been beaten to death, but keep getting brought up. This is why you see people assume troll and treat as such so often. I, myself still prefer to just point out WHY things were designed the way they were based on the information we have access to. In the end though, if people don't like the game so much that they are complaining it's a failure...they just shouldn't buy it. Buying a game when you say you hate it really seems silly, at least to me.
So him asking for world PvP is unreasonable? So what you are saying is, lie down and shut up? So since we are close to launch, it is absolutely pointless to give ones opinion on how they want the game to be, or features they wish were in it. I see how it is...just drink the kool-aid and everything will be all right.
Hostility doesn't work with the current design of Diablo 3. It was mostly used for griefing in Diablo 2 and segmented the community. In addition, due to the way Diablo 3 balances a game based on the number of players, you actually need most if not all of the players to effectively progress. This means that two people dueling mid-public game would essentially force the other two people to quit in order to keep playing...segmenting the community again. Hostility just doesn't work with the way Diablo 3 is designed.
You got this information from Blizzard directly, which is fine. However I really don't see the game being that difficult. It is a game meant to be soloable, you are essentially a god killing horde of demons. I don't see them ramping the difficulty up so much to where it is impossible for players to kill stuff with 2 fighting and 2 in town. So by your theory here, I can easily go to town with my friend and essentially your co-op game is totally ruined because you need all 4 to even proceed? They wouldn't build the game that way, so hostility, or dueling mid game should have little to no effect on the co-op or it is poorly designed.
The RMAH is actually a benefit to the community of Diablo 3. Many people complain about it allowing people to buy power, but people bought power all the time in Diablo 2. All it took was 3rd party websites setting up semi-automated shops using bots. I cannot even count the number of times I had people ask me to wait a minute while they bought gear for their newly leveled character. At least Blizzard will make a profit off of this trading in Diablo 3, allowing for more direct support for the game (PvM content, PvP content, Tech support, GM's, etc). I don't see how anyone can see this as a bad thing
Nothing wrong with the RMAH, his point is that it makes it less enticing to farm end game content when you can simply and easily buy it. Yes it existed in Diablo 2, however there were still plenty of people who didn't use it because it didn't seem safe. Now it is a safe avenue. With that ability, why would I waste 24 hours of my life farming for end game gear, when I can spend that 24 hours working and spend a little cash to make my life easier? That is going to kill end game farming for me, so why couldn't it for others? Because it doesn't for you it is automatically great for the community?
Yep this game will be ultra boring but you don`t know yet
Haha. Itll be great for a few months. But once you hit end game and can beat inferno, there is nothing left to do. Remake your character...a few people would want to do this. PvP...maybe but odds are it won't be out by then. Trade...well that is all in the auction house now so sure that's fun for a bit. MF...yea entertaining for a bit but like everything else..it gets old.
Because of how many times we have had this discussion, and not once has anyone given any sort of even relatively good argument against RMAH, no hostile and world PvP.
Yep this game will be ultra boring but you don`t know yet
Haha. Itll be great for a few months. But once you hit end game and can beat inferno, there is nothing left to do. Remake your character...a few people would want to do this. PvP...maybe but odds are it won't be out by then. Trade...well that is all in the auction house now so sure that's fun for a bit. MF...yea entertaining for a bit but like everything else..it gets old.
Have you EVER played D2? You could 'beat' the whole game in mere hours. It was all about the farming, and that's going to be the same thing with D3.
Yep this game will be ultra boring but you don`t know yet
Haha. Itll be great for a few months. But once you hit end game and can beat inferno, there is nothing left to do. Remake your character...a few people would want to do this. PvP...maybe but odds are it won't be out by then. Trade...well that is all in the auction house now so sure that's fun for a bit. MF...yea entertaining for a bit but like everything else..it gets old.
Have you EVER played D2? You could 'beat' the whole game in mere hours. It was all about the farming, and that's going to be the same thing with D3.
It was all about the farming for you...I farmed and PvP'd untill about 2006. This is from playing since day 1 D2 buddy. So I got tired of farming for gear and PvP'd the rest of the time on the game. You think Diablo 3 is going to interesting enough to play 10 years later?I can easily start D2 up right now, make a character and buy some gear, then I can easily PvP with it for years without it getting boring. Second I start to farm gear..ill be bored within a few days. Different styles play the game, you guys need to realize that. Not everyone plays Diablo to farm and kill the same monster 1000000x.
you guys really need to get over no hostility, its not in get used to it. are you guys sad because you can't roll around with your virtual penis out and kill people who play less then you? the arena is there for you to do that. yes it will take a bit to release, but just deal with it.
you guys really need to get over no hostility, its not in get used to it. are you guys sad because you can't roll around with your virtual penis out and kill people who play less then you? the arena is there for you to do that. yes it will take a bit to release, but just deal with it.
Are you sad and angry because someone dick slapped you with their virtual penis cause you couldn't handle defending yourself? What kind of a comment is that haha. The arena is there that is correct. We are dealing with it obviously, so you are saying like the other guy that you shouldn't comment about stuff you wish was in the game. I get it....so on a forum about the game..don't comment about features you wish were in it...makes sense.
I played Diablo 2 10 years, mostly HC. I used to play with others but after I was PK`d by a "friend" who I had played with many weeks I lost at least 50% from my Diablo 2 enjoyment. My character that was PK`d that day was level 92 summon necro.. TPPK was his doom..
After that incident I was always forced to play alone and be extra carefully. And for me Diablo 2 is co-op game, if you are forced to play alone Diablo is quite medicore at best.
So I am yber happy that Blizz did not include hostile option to D3, and if they do they should add it to softcore only, but that would not be 100% waterproof either. I once took a duel against unknow player in softcore, well I died and suddently my corpse just "popped" ? All my items fell on the ground and my opponent looted them and left the game. That day I lost Windforce, nice Gaze and much more..
So if they add hostile to D3 I want it to be 100% water proof !!!
And yes, I know the risks in HC and I accept those, but its not the idea of HC that other players can ruin your game when playing PvE type of hack and slash game!
I just wanted to step in because I saw this post. This is exactly what I never want to see come back from D2. People who you thought were going to help you out just suddenly go hostile on you and wreck your game. There were times I just wanted to make my games private just because of this, but I preferred to group up.
I don't care for PvP, don't really plan on doing it when it comes out. I'll stick to Battlefield and TF2, etc for my player vs player. But, I understand why some like it and I think the arena system will help keep PvP structured. I think it's reasonable to want PvP anywhere, but not as it was before. PvP needs to be optional and needs to be agreed on by both sides, none of this hostility stuff.
I play this game to kill monsters, not to have PvP suddenly thrust upon me.
So... I mean, not to come across as a jerk, but what is it about Hostility that was so amazing in D2? As someone who played it for a pretty good length of time, I never really could see where the real "skill factor" of hostility came in. It always seemed to me that the only uses of Hostility were either in duel games, where it was simply treated as a duel function and everyone fought outside Rogue Encampment, or it was used to grief people when you were 20+ levels over them. Don't get me wrong, I think PvP is fun, and I'm hoping to see it implemented well in D3, but seriously, when do you ever recall everyone having a jolly good time mid-quest being super happy when a bunch of high level jerks roll in and kill them?
i dont ever remember being happy when that happened i just left and came back in with my whirlbarb and facerolled the griefer they left and then i came back in with character and we leveled and quested lol it always happened and i always had to get out the stick it was a pain in the ass
No one is just commenting though, it's always the game will be boring, PvE isn't fun, I'll be bored so this needs to be in. And then when someone gives the opposite opinion you get butt hurt.
I gave PvP a go for a good while because a good friend of mine who played for ages got me to try it out. I had fun, but it quickly got boring to me. Fights were too fast, and the whole hostile system was, in a word, broken. If I wanted to ruin someone's day then sure it's great, but I'm not a scumbag.
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Taking out World PvP makes Diablo 3's endgame pretty worthless.
I suppose arena will be fun, but lack of spontaneous world pvp, coupled with the system of buying items with real money, makes the prospects of me being satisfied with the game pretty bleak.
Can't believe that the majority of this community actively petitions agains PvP, which can be made optional, and doesn't have to be part of your play style. Skill-less crybabies raining on my parade!
Go cry to blizzard they have even less intent to listen.
I must say, however, that the diablofans forums in general and the people in them makes believe in gaming community again
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If you wanna generalize him as a troll, you generalize majority of PvP players as trolls, which is to say just as easy for me to generalize PvM players as carebears. Am I right? Probably not.
You do realize that many of us that are posting against the PvP complaints actually have interest in the PvP system of Diablo 3 right? So 'carebear' doesn't fit the majority of us at all...sorry.
As for why people keep posting AGAINST these kind of threads is because the requests are unreasonable. The game is nearly released, asking for these kind of radical changes to the engine at this point is completely unrealistic. The best option for someone that feels this way about the game...is to not buy it.
I've explained in other threads as to why these features do not work, but I'll re-post it here...
Hostility doesn't work with the current design of Diablo 3. It was mostly used for griefing in Diablo 2 and segmented the community. In addition, due to the way Diablo 3 balances a game based on the number of players, you actually need most if not all of the players to effectively progress. This means that two people dueling mid-public game would essentially force the other two people to quit in order to keep playing...segmenting the community again. Hostility just doesn't work with the way Diablo 3 is designed.
The RMAH is actually a benefit to the community of Diablo 3. Many people complain about it allowing people to buy power, but people bought power all the time in Diablo 2. All it took was 3rd party websites setting up semi-automated shops using bots. I cannot even count the number of times I had people ask me to wait a minute while they bought gear for their newly leveled character. At least Blizzard will make a profit off of this trading in Diablo 3, allowing for more direct support for the game (PvM content, PvP content, Tech support, GM's, etc). I don't see how anyone can see this as a bad thing.
So, there you have it... both of the OP's complaints have been beaten to death, but keep getting brought up. This is why you see people assume troll and treat as such so often. I, myself still prefer to just point out WHY things were designed the way they were based on the information we have access to. In the end though, if people don't like the game so much that they are complaining it's a failure...they just shouldn't buy it. Buying a game when you say you hate it really seems silly, at least to me.
You got this information from Blizzard directly, which is fine. However I really don't see the game being that difficult. It is a game meant to be soloable, you are essentially a god killing horde of demons. I don't see them ramping the difficulty up so much to where it is impossible for players to kill stuff with 2 fighting and 2 in town. So by your theory here, I can easily go to town with my friend and essentially your co-op game is totally ruined because you need all 4 to even proceed? They wouldn't build the game that way, so hostility, or dueling mid game should have little to no effect on the co-op or it is poorly designed.
Nothing wrong with the RMAH, his point is that it makes it less enticing to farm end game content when you can simply and easily buy it. Yes it existed in Diablo 2, however there were still plenty of people who didn't use it because it didn't seem safe. Now it is a safe avenue. With that ability, why would I waste 24 hours of my life farming for end game gear, when I can spend that 24 hours working and spend a little cash to make my life easier? That is going to kill end game farming for me, so why couldn't it for others? Because it doesn't for you it is automatically great for the community?
So, deal with it =D
Have you EVER played D2? You could 'beat' the whole game in mere hours. It was all about the farming, and that's going to be the same thing with D3.
I just wanted to step in because I saw this post. This is exactly what I never want to see come back from D2. People who you thought were going to help you out just suddenly go hostile on you and wreck your game. There were times I just wanted to make my games private just because of this, but I preferred to group up.
I don't care for PvP, don't really plan on doing it when it comes out. I'll stick to Battlefield and TF2, etc for my player vs player. But, I understand why some like it and I think the arena system will help keep PvP structured. I think it's reasonable to want PvP anywhere, but not as it was before. PvP needs to be optional and needs to be agreed on by both sides, none of this hostility stuff.
I play this game to kill monsters, not to have PvP suddenly thrust upon me.
I gave PvP a go for a good while because a good friend of mine who played for ages got me to try it out. I had fun, but it quickly got boring to me. Fights were too fast, and the whole hostile system was, in a word, broken. If I wanted to ruin someone's day then sure it's great, but I'm not a scumbag.