Once again Adon is the voice of 'reason' via the use of trolling.
Gamble with gold = can of worms because the in game currency of gold can be translated into real world currency via an in built feature of the game. Thus gold could be construed legally to be an actual currency. Thus it could be argued to fall under such laws for gambling with real world currency. That's what's being said.
But you are actually gambling and buying game time in reality. You arn't purchasing anything but the time someone took to acquire said gold or item. Same applies to the RMAH when people buy gold. DAMN im a great "troller".
So I could open up a shop where I bought and sold clay chips and where people could gamble with these chips, and since they are only gambling for clay chips and not for actual money, gambling laws wouldn't apply! Sure, they could cash out those clay chips later if they have any left, but it's totally different from actually gambling with money. Man, why hasn't anyone thought of this before?
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...and if you disagree with me, you're probably <insert random ad hominem attack here>.
Once again Adon is the voice of 'reason' via the use of trolling.
Gamble with gold = can of worms because the in game currency of gold can be translated into real world currency via an in built feature of the game. Thus gold could be construed legally to be an actual currency. Thus it could be argued to fall under such laws for gambling with real world currency. That's what's being said.
But you are actually gambling and buying game time in reality. You arn't purchasing anything but the time someone took to acquire said gold or item. Same applies to the RMAH when people buy gold. DAMN im a great "troller".
So I could open up a shop where I bought and sold clay chips and where people could gamble with these chips, and since they are only gambling for clay chips and not for actual money, gambling laws wouldn't apply! Sure, they could cash out those clay chips later if they have any left, but it's totally different from actually gambling with money. Man, why hasn't anyone thought of this before?
I don't know, give it a shot! Let me know how it goes, ill start up your competitor business if the goings good. Oh wait...we are talking about VIRTUAL items opposed to real life items....damn. So by your theory me selling gold on the RMAH is considered illegal because people are buying the gold not the time it took me to GAMBLE my odds of finding it right?
I don't know, give it a shot! Let me know how it goes, ill start up your competitor business if the goings good. Oh wait...we are talking about VIRTUAL items opposed to real life items....damn. So by your theory me selling gold on the RMAH is considered illegal because people are buying the gold not the time it took me to GAMBLE my odds of finding it right?
Except the issue of ownership of virtual property is actually a grey area. SecondLife for instance was required to ban gambling and make it against the ToS because their currency system was able to be exchanged for cash. Its an instance where I saw these issues happen first hand as I saw all gambling removed from the game with my own eyes. Any gambling done now is a breach of the ToS and can get your account banned.
Blizzard would face the same issues if it was to implement something like this...
I don't know, give it a shot! Let me know how it goes, ill start up your competitor business if the goings good. Oh wait...we are talking about VIRTUAL items opposed to real life items....damn. So by your theory me selling gold on the RMAH is considered illegal because people are buying the gold not the time it took me to GAMBLE my odds of finding it right?
Except the issue of ownership of virtual property is actually a grey area. SecondLife for instance was required to ban gambling and make it against the ToS because their currency system was able to be exchanged for cash. Its an instance where I saw these issues happen first hand as I saw all gambling removed from the game with my own eyes. Any gambling done now is a breach of the ToS and can get your account banned.
Blizzard would face the same issues if it was to implement something like this...
Probably correct, so you could go to jail for gambling like I said. There will be gambling still, it will be based on the honor system just like in D2. Could also use a third party for currency like JSP to act the same way, which I have no doubt will happen.
I don't know, give it a shot! Let me know how it goes, ill start up your competitor business if the goings good. Oh wait...we are talking about VIRTUAL items opposed to real life items....damn. So by your theory me selling gold on the RMAH is considered illegal because people are buying the gold not the time it took me to GAMBLE my odds of finding it right?
Why does it matter if the goods are virtual or not? If I buy and sell "virtual chips" and you use those to gamble instead of clay chips, is it somehow no longer subject to gambling laws?
As far as selling gold on the AH, from what I understand, it actually does hit some gambling laws in certain countries because of the random nature of drops, which is why the countries where Blizzard can't get an OK from the government won't have a RMAH.
To sum up, money -> gold -> betting on duels - > money = illegal most places.
money -> gold -> items -> money = legal most places.
Disclaimers: I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, blah, blah.
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...and if you disagree with me, you're probably <insert random ad hominem attack here>.
I don't know, give it a shot! Let me know how it goes, ill start up your competitor business if the goings good. Oh wait...we are talking about VIRTUAL items opposed to real life items....damn. So by your theory me selling gold on the RMAH is considered illegal because people are buying the gold not the time it took me to GAMBLE my odds of finding it right?
Why does it matter if the goods are virtual or not? If I buy and sell "virtual chips" and you use those to gamble instead of clay chips, is it somehow no longer subject to gambling laws?
As far as selling gold on the AH, from what I understand, it actually does hit some gambling laws in certain countries because of the random nature of drops, which is why the countries where Blizzard can't get an OK from the government won't have a RMAH.
To sum up, money -> gold -> betting on duels - > money = illegal most places.
money -> gold -> items -> money = legal most places.
Disclaimers: I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, blah, blah.
Look dude either way, im selling those clay chips. You in?
So I could open up a shop where I bought and sold clay chips and where people could gamble with these chips, and since they are only gambling for clay chips and not for actual money, gambling laws wouldn't apply! Sure, they could cash out those clay chips later if they have any left, but it's totally different from actually gambling with money. Man, why hasn't anyone thought of this before?
Except the issue of ownership of virtual property is actually a grey area. SecondLife for instance was required to ban gambling and make it against the ToS because their currency system was able to be exchanged for cash. Its an instance where I saw these issues happen first hand as I saw all gambling removed from the game with my own eyes. Any gambling done now is a breach of the ToS and can get your account banned.
Blizzard would face the same issues if it was to implement something like this...
Why does it matter if the goods are virtual or not? If I buy and sell "virtual chips" and you use those to gamble instead of clay chips, is it somehow no longer subject to gambling laws?
As far as selling gold on the AH, from what I understand, it actually does hit some gambling laws in certain countries because of the random nature of drops, which is why the countries where Blizzard can't get an OK from the government won't have a RMAH.
To sum up, money -> gold -> betting on duels - > money = illegal most places.
money -> gold -> items -> money = legal most places.
Disclaimers: I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, blah, blah.
When I was younger and had less to lose, I might have taken you up on that.
Dont know why it bothered me seeing someone spell epiphany wrong, but Im glad someone pointed it out.