Hey Synapse88 here, i have been streaming on Twitch since February. I started streaming Diablo 3 shortly before Season 3. I have a total of 37 followers on twitch and I gain 1-2 new followers a week if that. I'm not begging people to come watch my stream for pity but more along the lines of what can I do different. There are roughly 30-40 different Diablo 3 streams going on at once maybe more, so when I start streaming I'm way at the bottom of the list. My wife supports me and is always in my stream boosting me up to 2 viewers instead of 1. (I know there are lots of grammar errors within this, please don't judge or hate on that I know internet trolls who love to bash on people who are horrible with grammar.) Back to my rant ( lol ), so please helpful tips would be great also anyone think maybe I should switch to Hitbox I am not sure if I should considering how small the viewer counts are. I actively post on twitter my handle is @synapse_88 and my twitch link is www.twitch.tv/synapse88 please check me out some time. Also please give helpful tips not useless internet bashing thanks so much!
Hey Synapse88 here, i have been streaming on Twitch since February. I started streaming Diablo 3 shortly before Season 3. I have a total of 37 followers on twitch and I gain 1-2 new followers a week if that. I'm not begging people to come watch my stream for pity but more along the lines of what can I do different. There are roughly 30-40 different Diablo 3 streams going on at once maybe more, so when I start streaming I'm way at the bottom of the list. My wife supports me and is always in my stream boosting me up to 2 viewers instead of 1. (I know there are lots of grammar errors within this, please don't judge or hate on that I know internet trolls who love to bash on people who are horrible with grammar.) Back to my rant ( lol ), so please helpful tips would be great also anyone think maybe I should switch to Hitbox I am not sure if I should considering how small the viewer counts are. I actively post on twitter my handle is @synapse_88 and my twitch link is www.twitch.tv/synapse88 please check me out some time. Also please give helpful tips not useless internet bashing thanks so much!
Synapse88
First off, the part you're gonna hate most. Use multiple paragraphs when you're typing something like that, it looks like a big boring block of text especially with lots of ()'s in it.
As for the streaming thing, you gotta keep at it, switching to Hitbox might help but remember their viewership is also lower than Twitchs'. I can tell ya now I've never been to Hitbox to just check out random streamers (not that I really do it with twitch much either but every now and again).
First off, the part you're gonna hate most. Use multiple paragraphs when you're typing something like that, it looks like a big boring block of text especially with lots of ()'s in it.
As for the streaming thing, you gotta keep at it, switching to Hitbox might help but remember their viewership is also lower than Twitchs'. I can tell ya now I've never been to Hitbox to just check out random streamers (not that I really do it with twitch much either but every now and again).
yea I noticed this issue after I posted, and I understand that I gotta keep at it. I know its rough out there, I think most of it is justa lot of discouragement. Thanks for the reply!
Hey Synapse88 here, i have been streaming on Twitch since February. I started streaming Diablo 3 shortly before Season 3. I have a total of 37 followers on twitch and I gain 1-2 new followers a week if that. I'm not begging people to come watch my stream for pity but more along the lines of what can I do different. There are roughly 30-40 different Diablo 3 streams going on at once maybe more, so when I start streaming I'm way at the bottom of the list. My wife supports me and is always in my stream boosting me up to 2 viewers instead of 1. (I know there are lots of grammar errors within this, please don't judge or hate on that I know internet trolls who love to bash on people who are horrible with grammar.) Back to my rant ( lol ), so please helpful tips would be great also anyone think maybe I should switch to Hitbox I am not sure if I should considering how small the viewer counts are. I actively post on twitter my handle is @synapse_88 and my twitch link is www.twitch.tv/synapse88 please check me out some time. Also please give helpful tips not useless internet bashing thanks so much!
Hi! I really enjoy watching streams, often on my 2nd screen when I'm playing myself.
Since you asked for some times, I went to check out your stream. Sadly, you were offline (I went there when your post was 45 min old). So, it is hard to give feedback on the content.
However, when I came on your stream page, I was greeted by the offline picture with your shedule. While the picture is nice and provides useful information, the shedule might be a bit... limited? While I get there is more to life than playing games and streaming it, I'm not sure I will ever follow you. Chance you would just be someone I get mails from, but never catch again streaming, is too big.
When I scroll down, the page looks pretty good. But then that "the classic gamer" jumps out. While this might not be a reason to not come to the stream or follow, it makes me a little sad. I see your wife made the artwork (and it looks good, good job), I get you have to go with the logo of the site (not sure how you are related to them, maybe you can change to logo to fit your theme?), but it does not fit. Maybe you can change up the artwork a bit, to make it all fit. Again, not a BIG deal, just a general tip
But now, the biggest problem. After putting out your nickname and a nickname for your nickname (what an ugly sentence), you say you stream a lot of games. In most cases, people come to watch a game. After picking the game, the take your personallity and skills into consideration. If that matches with what they are looking for, they will stay. Since you are streaming "only" 4 hours per week on your shedule, having multiple games in that time does not help you build a viewerbase. Even streamers with high viewer counts in a certain game complain they have almost no viewers when they play another game. Unless you have an "interesting" personality, try to stick to 1 game to stream, if you want to increase your viewers and followers. Also, if your name shows up in the streamer list often, people might jump in to check you out after some time. Changing games would put you on another list, missing out on those viewers.
Also, introduce yourself. I know your nickname, I know you have a wife, and a 1 year old daughter. How old are you? Where do you live? Why do you stream? Is there anything else I should know (other hobbies we might connect with and have a talk other than the game, achievements or titles you might have earned in a game, ...).
Try to remove the negativity from your chat rules. "No ..." brings in negativity, resulting in a potential bad experience. Be positive! (not sure how to word it, consider it a challenge to promote positive behaviour in your rules instead of punishing bad :p). Also, remove the "no viewer stealing" part. Viewers will not leave you because someone asks. Viewers will leave you because they find something better It is up to you to provide quality entertainment so people want to stay. Someone that would be "stolen" wouldn't stay long anyway.
Personally, I would drop the recent follower part. You have to stop "providing content" to update the list when someone follows. Not everyone wants to be on a highly visible location on your page (it is the internet, most know for it's anonimity). You might upset someone that wants to be on there and you missed the following message. A "thank you for following" on the stream would probably do the job.
I see you do give aways at x followers. Give aways are always a good way to get viewers. I also see at 50 you make it a random follower, a huge improvement on the 25: You want give aways to get people to follow you. Why would I have followed as 23rd or 24th, if you already said it would go to the 25th? Always make it random, so your "long time followers" don't feel neglected. You could even consider a "point system" (google for it, there are several programs, even free), promoting people to stay in your chat for a higher chance in the give away (buy ticket with points).
Watched some of your highlights. Not sure if the video is downscaled or if that is your actual stream quality. If it is the actual quality, try to impove your settings. I can not read any text in game, everything is blurry/pixelated, ...
Since I could not see any live action, I can not comment on the stream itself. However, I do hope there are some useful tips in this.
PS: Every start is difficult. I'm not sure if you started streaming right before S3 in general, or only D3. If that was your first stream (call it 1 month ago), 38 followers is not bad at all. Also, 1-2 followers per week (4 hours+some random, lets be generous and call it 10?) as a starting streamer is not bad at all. While it may not look much, it's 5% of your follower base! And the good news is, that percentage stays the same. Once your follower/viewer base increases, you go up in the listings, getting more viewers and more followers, so that 5% increase per week will maintain itself So, while I think you started this topic because you were disappointed by your numbers, I think they actually look pretty good.
Good luck, and happy streaming
PPS: Lol, took me about to 2 hours to come up with this entire post.
I'm currently at 400 Followers.. I stream 20+ Hours a week.. and go to school full time..
you streaming only 4 hours a week is pathetic saying that you wanna get somewhere when streaming.
I get around 60 viewers because i have a group of people that know when i stream consistantly.
I've only streamed for about 2 years.
For you to say that you are trying and stuff, you really arent. an i hate when people make these comments saying that they dont know how to improve or get more people to watch.. When you are streaming for 4 hours a week and your gettin 2 followers a week? Thats insane.
I streamed for about 30 hours a week when i first started, and i didnt get a single follower for 2 MONTHS.. STRAIGHT. You dont know how hard it is, and i hate when people complain. "i dont know what to do"
I'm not trying to be a troll. but sometimes you just need the cold hard truth, and for someone to say that you need to get your shit together.
I hope you stream more, because someone who makes a post srteaming only 4 hours a week, really shows that you dont want to get anywhere.
Streamers who stream for 30+ hours and dont get a single viewer, is the one i have Sympathy for.
Going to school "full time" nowhere takes as much time as a full time job. Depending on the job, 40-100 hours per week is normal. Being a parent requires a lot of time. So does being in a relation. Oh, and being an adult gives you a lot of additional responsabilities and stuff to do around the house you probably don't have to do when you go to school.
While 4 hours of sheduled time (he says he jumps on at random times as well, so it is more) might not look much, it's still 1/5 or your 20 hours/week. This is a lot for an adult with a job and family.
Oh, and 400 followers after streaming 2 years 20+ hours per week? You must be doing something wrong! Pretty sure you can get that in 1 month (at the 30 hours/week you started at). And no, I don't want to take the challenge. I'm not a streamer person.
Thanks RiffSphere for the tips and info. I do understand that I need to stream more through out the week but what hinders me mostly is my kid's sleep schedule she goes to sleep around 9-9:30. Also I get off work around 8:30 at night on my stream nights. So its really hard for me to get an early start, I would stream more throughout the week but I also see that family time is important. I guess I need to talk with the wife about allowing me to stream maybe 2 more days a week and maybe starting earlier.
As to my Stream quality, I have a high end performance PC but my Internet hinders me I only have 6mbps download and .65mbps Upload. I have to run at an lower quality. If I had faster net speeds I could run at great quality but I feel it will come in time.
My post is looking for tips on what to do and I think I am going to switch to Hitbox for the main reason of how casual I am. The main post was kind of a Vent post Im just fustrated maybe I could have posted else ware about this but idk figured i would reach out to a good Diablo Community. Anyway thanks again!
I'm currently at 400 Followers.. I stream 20+ Hours a week.. and go to school full time..
you streaming only 4 hours a week is pathetic saying that you wanna get somewhere when streaming.
I get around 60 viewers because i have a group of people that know when i stream consistantly.
I've only streamed for about 2 years.
For you to say that you are trying and stuff, you really arent. an i hate when people make these comments saying that they dont know how to improve or get more people to watch.. When you are streaming for 4 hours a week and your gettin 2 followers a week? Thats insane.
I streamed for about 30 hours a week when i first started, and i didnt get a single follower for 2 MONTHS.. STRAIGHT. You dont know how hard it is, and i hate when people complain. "i dont know what to do"
I'm not trying to be a troll. but sometimes you just need the cold hard truth, and for someone to say that you need to get your shit together.
I hope you stream more, because someone who makes a post srteaming only 4 hours a week, really shows that you dont want to get anywhere.
Streamers who stream for 30+ hours and dont get a single viewer, is the one i have Sympathy for.
Stream more, and dont stop. It is VERY hard.
Hey nice constructive criticism. Some people cant stream 30+ hours a week and hate to burst your 400+ follower count my sister has bee streaming for only a year and she have a little over 1k so you must be doing something wrong or its cause you don't have a vagina. Anyway I stream only 4 hours a week because its the time that i have to stream I could probably stream more but that would remove quality time with my wife. Also having a kid makes it a little harder because of her sleep times. I get your not being a Troll and I do appreciate everyone who posts here may it be harsh or friendly.
Hey @dezien I was once given some great advice when I first started streaming "Stream the games that you enjoy playing, not games you hate". why I was told this is because if you enjoy the game you stream you will get followers and viewers. Say I was playing a game I did not enjoy streaming my energy would not be that high and my views would be down. So calingl me "Stupid" for streaming a game I love is kind of immature and ignorant . I'm not asking you to take your time to watch me stream just for real tips with Diablo 3 streams. Your not really helping by flat out insulting me.
No one cares if 4 hours a week is A LOT for YOU. No one cares if you have a kid, a wife, 3 fulltime jobs on the side and streaming basically takes up 100% of your free time... so you are really dedicated, right? I call BS! (btw 4 hours must be a joke, did you write that wrong? You want to be a twitch streamer and compete with channels that stream 80+ hours a week, by streaming 4? lol).
Everyone and their mother thinks if they start a twitch channel or YouTube that views will just come rolling in and a month later, the $$. You are a dime a dozen and majority of streams sucks or are inconsistent.
Reminds me a bit about this dude called Sic Avenger, he spammed forum here, clickbaiting for his youtube channel/twitch channel. and this was the video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_WkB2TB8so
Worst piece of s.. I have seen in a long time. I watched it though and spend a lot of time trying to help him out on how to improve, but totally wasted my time apparently. His videos are still the worst quality ever, and he's still pulling like 200 views on a video.
It's really not that hard. Watch some popular streams see what they do, Watch some good youtube channels like rhykker, quinn69 etc.
They have ACTUAL CONTENT, imagine that. Popular streamers are the ones that interact with viewers, doing something out of the ordinary, and actually stream a lot. It's not that hard to see what it takes to become a successfull stream.
High quality content, high quality stream, and a TON of streaming hours. If you can't provide those things, why should anyone watch you, when there are 20 other streams that are doing those things right? Of course there is the ace up the sleeve, BOOBS!! that helps
My best tip. Don't quit your dayjob, drop this idea about twitch streaming cause you are NOT cut out for it. You don't have the equipment, the time or the vision about what it takes to be a stream-entertainer. Save yourself some headache and focus on your family instead. Gaming is a hobby for you, treat it as such.
No one cares if 4 hours a week is A LOT for YOU. No one cares if you have a kid, a wife, 3 fulltime jobs on the side and streaming basically takes up 100% of your free time... so you are really dedicated, right? I call BS! (btw 4 hours must be a joke, did you write that wrong? You want to be a twitch streamer and compete with channels that stream 80+ hours a week, by streaming 4? lol).
Everyone and their mother thinks if they start a twitch channel or YouTube that views will just come rolling in and a month later, the $$. You are a dime a dozen and majority of streams sucks or are inconsistent.
Reminds me a bit about this dude called Sic Avenger, he spammed forum here, clickbaiting for his youtube channel/twitch channel. and this was the video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_WkB2TB8so
Worst piece of s.. I have seen in a long time. I watched it though and spend a lot of time trying to help him out on how to improve, but totally wasted my time apparently. His videos are still the worst quality ever, and he's still pulling like 200 views on a video.
It's really not that hard. Watch some popular streams see what they do, Watch some good youtube channels like rhykker, quinn69 etc.
They have ACTUAL CONTENT, imagine that. Popular streamers are the ones that interact with viewers, doing something out of the ordinary, and actually stream a lot. It's not that hard to see what it takes to become a successfull stream.
High quality content, high quality stream, and a TON of streaming hours. If you can't provide those things, why should anyone watch you, when there are 20 other streams that are doing those things right? Of course there is the ace up the sleeve, BOOBS!! that helps
My best tip. Don't quit your dayjob, drop this idea about twitch streaming cause you are NOT cut out for it. You don't have the equipment, the time or the vision about what it takes to be a stream-entertainer. Save yourself some headache and focus on your family instead. Gaming is a hobby for you, treat it as such.
Sorry bud but ima keep streaming because I enjoy it, I will use negitive vibe and feed off it. Maybe use it push myself harder to put more time into streaming thanks for the reply
Negativity.. the truth... facing reality. Different perspectives.
I was perhaps mistaken when I told you to stop streaming per say. But don't expect to be a big twitch streamer with your attitude.
There are plenty of casual gamers on twitch, it's not only for pro's or hardcore gamers. But viewer numbers will reflect that so getting viewers up should not be a goal in itself for you. Your priorities, capabilities and dedication for this is just non-existent imo.
Negativity.. the truth... facing reality. Different perspectives.
I was perhaps mistaken when I told you to stop streaming per say. But don't expect to be a big twitch streamer with your attitude.
There are plenty of casual gamers on twitch, it's not only for pro's or hardcore gamers. But viewer numbers will reflect that so getting viewers up should not be a goal in itself for you. Your priorities, capabilities and dedication for this is just non-existent imo.
Not everyone want to be a big twitch streamer, and I think OP knows he will not be big with 4 hours per week.
BUT, there are people that stream for the fun, want to have some viewers and followers (like 10-20 viewers at the same time, so they can talk with them and not just have a massive list they can't even read chat and lot of spamming).
It's not because you want to increase your viewer base that you want to go for top streamer.
Try to put yourself in OP's place, think about why he asks the question, and reply with that reason in mind.
Then, in a constructive way, mention points that will boost his viewers and what it takes to become a big streamer, so he can take some of that and apply it partially. Boosting his stream time from 4 to 8 hours is a lot of dedication for him and will boost his viewers a lot already. While you would still say he has to stop, no dedication, wont work, ... Professional vs hobby stream
@OP: If you gonna boost your streaming hours, try to first increase the time of 1 stream, not the amounts of streams. 2 times 4 hours is better than 4 times 2 hours, since you viewers will put you higher in the ranking and give you more viewers. Unless you are big and have a lot of followers, you viewer number only starts to go up after 2-3 hours of streaming because of this.
I did put myself in his shoes. Look at his page. donation buttons, follower me here and there, rules like "no viewer stealing!". It's all with a mindset to become a bigger streamer, not sit casual and play with a few friends or steady viewers.
Although I think your perspective is spot on. Perhaps OP will read your thoughts and think "yeah, maybe that's more for me". As I said also, there is nothing wrong being a casual streamer with a low steady viewer count - but then you can't expect it to grow big either, which is the impression i get is his long term goal was from the outset. There was some other nice suggestions earlier in the thread about promoting positive attitude on the stream, instead of punishing negatives. That kind of thing promotes a casual atmosphere as well.
I stream because it is fun. The donation button is there for anyone who wishes to support me, by throwing a dollar here and there to help pick up another game is all hell don't even have to donate at all. Im not looking to become some major top list streamer with hundreds of people watching every night. 5-10 people is all i'm looking for every stream. Im going to be making the switch from twitch to Hitbox because I feel with the games I enjoy playing I will have a better chance to get viewers. Also adding an extra day as well and extending my stream times from 2 to 3 hours a night. I feel this will have more of an impact. Your posts are helpful to me and allow me to see what i need to work on.
Hey Synapse88 here, i have been streaming on Twitch since February. I started streaming Diablo 3 shortly before Season 3. I have a total of 37 followers on twitch and I gain 1-2 new followers a week if that. I'm not begging people to come watch my stream for pity but more along the lines of what can I do different. There are roughly 30-40 different Diablo 3 streams going on at once maybe more, so when I start streaming I'm way at the bottom of the list. My wife supports me and is always in my stream boosting me up to 2 viewers instead of 1. (I know there are lots of grammar errors within this, please don't judge or hate on that I know internet trolls who love to bash on people who are horrible with grammar.) Back to my rant ( lol ), so please helpful tips would be great also anyone think maybe I should switch to Hitbox I am not sure if I should considering how small the viewer counts are. I actively post on twitter my handle is @synapse_88 and my twitch link is www.twitch.tv/synapse88 please check me out some time. Also please give helpful tips not useless internet bashing thanks so much!
Synapse88
find yourself another game to stream.
i bet more people still play d2 than d3
One more stupid person. Diablo 3 is the 5th most played game which is connected to the internet. You lost your bet....
As of last month it was only beaten by League of legends, world of warcraft, counter strike: global offensive and dota 2.
when you say stupid person, you shouldnt put yourself down in such a way..
also, are you making up those numbers or did you just google "twitch stats for last month"... please tell me you did so i can laugh and get others to laugh along as well.... because, you know, those numbers in no way represent any significant stats of a game...any game.
please come back and let me know, i am dying to discuss your lack of self respect and internet smartz.
First of all: Not saying anyone is right or wrong.
Just want to point out: Most games (companies) don't give out number of their active player base. Even if some do, we can not compare real numbers because a lot are unknow.
To have an idea of the top played games, we have to find other ways.
1) Sales numbers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_III says over 12 million copies sold (15 million including console), best selling game of 2012. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#PC shows D3 as 3rd best selling pc game, after minecraft and wow. This is based on the 12 million pc games, not the console version. Since there is no monthly fee, they all can play the game whenever they want. So, a huge possible playerbase with no downside to playing it.
2) Stream sites (twitch). While ranking is based on viewers, viewer interest often relates to player (soccer being most watched and played sport). Diablo is often in the top 5 list, never saw it outside the top 10.
3) Neutral data collection. http://social.xfire.com/games shows D3 the 6th most played game (in hours). While not accurate, it gives an idea what games are by played by people with the software software. You could people with xfire all fall in the same group of people, invalidating the results. But, D3 does not fit into the target audience xfire is going for, and since it's an old game, it doesn't get high numbers from gamers trying the latest game. So if anything, I would expect xfire numbers to be too low for D3 instead of being too high.
In any case, suggestion not to stream D3 to get more views, is a wrong suggestion, since it is often (always?) a top 10 game on a streaming site. Whether D2 has more player than D3 or not does not even matter because of this.
sale numbers are pretty and all but in no way reflect the current player base. anyone playing from day 1 would be able to confirm this just by looking at the queues / public games available back then and now... and of course, public game availability is also no way to measure a game's current player base as the introduction of clans basically killed pugs.
its a good thing you said "viewer interest OFTEN relates to player" because there are plenty of good examples that actually are outside of the OFTEN measurements. Take for example Puzzle and Dragons, 41 mil downloads worldwide, over 2.54 billion total revenue on micro sales -- outdoing most games on twitch and yet, it is a bottom feeder with very little viewers.. i think wow vanilla gets more than pad.
dont think suggesting to stream another game is a bad suggestion. if the person wants to actually become a "professional" streamer, then he is better off finding something that will get him more viewers faster, which can lead to sponsorships that much sooner. If he is just doing it for the fun of it, then getting 1-2 new subscribers shouldnt be an issue as that is not the most immediate goal.
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Hey Synapse88 here, i have been streaming on Twitch since February. I started streaming Diablo 3 shortly before Season 3. I have a total of 37 followers on twitch and I gain 1-2 new followers a week if that. I'm not begging people to come watch my stream for pity but more along the lines of what can I do different. There are roughly 30-40 different Diablo 3 streams going on at once maybe more, so when I start streaming I'm way at the bottom of the list. My wife supports me and is always in my stream boosting me up to 2 viewers instead of 1. (I know there are lots of grammar errors within this, please don't judge or hate on that I know internet trolls who love to bash on people who are horrible with grammar.) Back to my rant ( lol ), so please helpful tips would be great also anyone think maybe I should switch to Hitbox I am not sure if I should considering how small the viewer counts are. I actively post on twitter my handle is @synapse_88 and my twitch link is www.twitch.tv/synapse88 please check me out some time. Also please give helpful tips not useless internet bashing thanks so much!
Synapse88
First off, the part you're gonna hate most. Use multiple paragraphs when you're typing something like that, it looks like a big boring block of text especially with lots of ()'s in it.
As for the streaming thing, you gotta keep at it, switching to Hitbox might help but remember their viewership is also lower than Twitchs'. I can tell ya now I've never been to Hitbox to just check out random streamers (not that I really do it with twitch much either but every now and again).
yea I noticed this issue after I posted, and I understand that I gotta keep at it. I know its rough out there, I think most of it is justa lot of discouragement. Thanks for the reply!
Synapse88
find yourself another game to stream.
i bet more people still play d2 than d3
Hi! I really enjoy watching streams, often on my 2nd screen when I'm playing myself.
Since you asked for some times, I went to check out your stream. Sadly, you were offline (I went there when your post was 45 min old). So, it is hard to give feedback on the content.
However, when I came on your stream page, I was greeted by the offline picture with your shedule. While the picture is nice and provides useful information, the shedule might be a bit... limited? While I get there is more to life than playing games and streaming it, I'm not sure I will ever follow you. Chance you would just be someone I get mails from, but never catch again streaming, is too big.
When I scroll down, the page looks pretty good. But then that "the classic gamer" jumps out. While this might not be a reason to not come to the stream or follow, it makes me a little sad. I see your wife made the artwork (and it looks good, good job), I get you have to go with the logo of the site (not sure how you are related to them, maybe you can change to logo to fit your theme?), but it does not fit. Maybe you can change up the artwork a bit, to make it all fit. Again, not a BIG deal, just a general tip
But now, the biggest problem. After putting out your nickname and a nickname for your nickname (what an ugly sentence), you say you stream a lot of games. In most cases, people come to watch a game. After picking the game, the take your personallity and skills into consideration. If that matches with what they are looking for, they will stay. Since you are streaming "only" 4 hours per week on your shedule, having multiple games in that time does not help you build a viewerbase. Even streamers with high viewer counts in a certain game complain they have almost no viewers when they play another game. Unless you have an "interesting" personality, try to stick to 1 game to stream, if you want to increase your viewers and followers. Also, if your name shows up in the streamer list often, people might jump in to check you out after some time. Changing games would put you on another list, missing out on those viewers.
Also, introduce yourself. I know your nickname, I know you have a wife, and a 1 year old daughter. How old are you? Where do you live? Why do you stream? Is there anything else I should know (other hobbies we might connect with and have a talk other than the game, achievements or titles you might have earned in a game, ...).
Try to remove the negativity from your chat rules. "No ..." brings in negativity, resulting in a potential bad experience. Be positive! (not sure how to word it, consider it a challenge to promote positive behaviour in your rules instead of punishing bad :p). Also, remove the "no viewer stealing" part. Viewers will not leave you because someone asks. Viewers will leave you because they find something better
It is up to you to provide quality entertainment so people want to stay. Someone that would be "stolen" wouldn't stay long anyway.
Personally, I would drop the recent follower part. You have to stop "providing content" to update the list when someone follows. Not everyone wants to be on a highly visible location on your page (it is the internet, most know for it's anonimity). You might upset someone that wants to be on there and you missed the following message. A "thank you for following" on the stream would probably do the job.
I see you do give aways at x followers. Give aways are always a good way to get viewers. I also see at 50 you make it a random follower, a huge improvement on the 25: You want give aways to get people to follow you. Why would I have followed as 23rd or 24th, if you already said it would go to the 25th? Always make it random, so your "long time followers" don't feel neglected. You could even consider a "point system" (google for it, there are several programs, even free), promoting people to stay in your chat for a higher chance in the give away (buy ticket with points).
Watched some of your highlights. Not sure if the video is downscaled or if that is your actual stream quality. If it is the actual quality, try to impove your settings. I can not read any text in game, everything is blurry/pixelated, ...
Since I could not see any live action, I can not comment on the stream itself. However, I do hope there are some useful tips in this.
PS: Every start is difficult. I'm not sure if you started streaming right before S3 in general, or only D3. If that was your first stream (call it 1 month ago), 38 followers is not bad at all. Also, 1-2 followers per week (4 hours+some random, lets be generous and call it 10?) as a starting streamer is not bad at all. While it may not look much, it's 5% of your follower base! And the good news is, that percentage stays the same. Once your follower/viewer base increases, you go up in the listings, getting more viewers and more followers, so that 5% increase per week will maintain itself
So, while I think you started this topic because you were disappointed by your numbers, I think they actually look pretty good.
Good luck, and happy streaming
PPS: Lol, took me about to 2 hours to come up with this entire post.
I'm currently at 400 Followers.. I stream 20+ Hours a week.. and go to school full time..
Pretty harsh post.
Going to school "full time" nowhere takes as much time as a full time job. Depending on the job, 40-100 hours per week is normal. Being a parent requires a lot of time. So does being in a relation. Oh, and being an adult gives you a lot of additional responsabilities and stuff to do around the house you probably don't have to do when you go to school.
While 4 hours of sheduled time (he says he jumps on at random times as well, so it is more) might not look much, it's still 1/5 or your 20 hours/week. This is a lot for an adult with a job and family.
Oh, and 400 followers after streaming 2 years 20+ hours per week? You must be doing something wrong! Pretty sure you can get that in 1 month (at the 30 hours/week you started at). And no, I don't want to take the challenge. I'm not a streamer person.
Oh, also nice you made this your first post...
Thanks RiffSphere for the tips and info. I do understand that I need to stream more through out the week but what hinders me mostly is my kid's sleep schedule she goes to sleep around 9-9:30. Also I get off work around 8:30 at night on my stream nights. So its really hard for me to get an early start, I would stream more throughout the week but I also see that family time is important. I guess I need to talk with the wife about allowing me to stream maybe 2 more days a week and maybe starting earlier.
As to my Stream quality, I have a high end performance PC but my Internet hinders me I only have 6mbps download and .65mbps Upload. I have to run at an lower quality. If I had faster net speeds I could run at great quality but I feel it will come in time.
My post is looking for tips on what to do and I think I am going to switch to Hitbox for the main reason of how casual I am. The main post was kind of a Vent post Im just fustrated maybe I could have posted else ware about this but idk figured i would reach out to a good Diablo Community. Anyway thanks again!
Synapse88
Hey nice constructive criticism. Some people cant stream 30+ hours a week and hate to burst your 400+ follower count my sister has bee streaming for only a year and she have a little over 1k so you must be doing something wrong or its cause you don't have a vagina. Anyway I stream only 4 hours a week because its the time that i have to stream I could probably stream more but that would remove quality time with my wife. Also having a kid makes it a little harder because of her sleep times. I get your not being a Troll and I do appreciate everyone who posts here may it be harsh or friendly.
Thanks again,
Synapse88
Hey @dezien I was once given some great advice when I first started streaming "Stream the games that you enjoy playing, not games you hate". why I was told this is because if you enjoy the game you stream you will get followers and viewers. Say I was playing a game I did not enjoy streaming my energy would not be that high and my views would be down. So calingl me "Stupid" for streaming a game I love is kind of immature and ignorant . I'm not asking you to take your time to watch me stream just for real tips with Diablo 3 streams. Your not really helping by flat out insulting me.
Thanks,
Synapse88
No one cares if 4 hours a week is A LOT for YOU. No one cares if you have a kid, a wife, 3 fulltime jobs on the side and streaming basically takes up 100% of your free time... so you are really dedicated, right? I call BS! (btw 4 hours must be a joke, did you write that wrong? You want to be a twitch streamer and compete with channels that stream 80+ hours a week, by streaming 4? lol).
Everyone and their mother thinks if they start a twitch channel or YouTube that views will just come rolling in and a month later, the $$. You are a dime a dozen and majority of streams sucks or are inconsistent.
Reminds me a bit about this dude called Sic Avenger, he spammed forum here, clickbaiting for his youtube channel/twitch channel. and this was the video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_WkB2TB8so
Worst piece of s.. I have seen in a long time. I watched it though and spend a lot of time trying to help him out on how to improve, but totally wasted my time apparently. His videos are still the worst quality ever, and he's still pulling like 200 views on a video.
It's really not that hard. Watch some popular streams see what they do, Watch some good youtube channels like rhykker, quinn69 etc.
They have ACTUAL CONTENT, imagine that. Popular streamers are the ones that interact with viewers, doing something out of the ordinary, and actually stream a lot. It's not that hard to see what it takes to become a successfull stream.
High quality content, high quality stream, and a TON of streaming hours. If you can't provide those things, why should anyone watch you, when there are 20 other streams that are doing those things right? Of course there is the ace up the sleeve, BOOBS!! that helps
My best tip. Don't quit your dayjob, drop this idea about twitch streaming cause you are NOT cut out for it. You don't have the equipment, the time or the vision about what it takes to be a stream-entertainer. Save yourself some headache and focus on your family instead. Gaming is a hobby for you, treat it as such.
Sorry bud but ima keep streaming because I enjoy it, I will use negitive vibe and feed off it. Maybe use it push myself harder to put more time into streaming thanks for the reply
Synapse88
Negativity.. the truth... facing reality. Different perspectives.
I was perhaps mistaken when I told you to stop streaming per say. But don't expect to be a big twitch streamer with your attitude.
There are plenty of casual gamers on twitch, it's not only for pro's or hardcore gamers. But viewer numbers will reflect that so getting viewers up should not be a goal in itself for you. Your priorities, capabilities and dedication for this is just non-existent imo.
Not everyone want to be a big twitch streamer, and I think OP knows he will not be big with 4 hours per week.
BUT, there are people that stream for the fun, want to have some viewers and followers (like 10-20 viewers at the same time, so they can talk with them and not just have a massive list they can't even read chat and lot of spamming).
It's not because you want to increase your viewer base that you want to go for top streamer.
Try to put yourself in OP's place, think about why he asks the question, and reply with that reason in mind.
Then, in a constructive way, mention points that will boost his viewers and what it takes to become a big streamer, so he can take some of that and apply it partially. Boosting his stream time from 4 to 8 hours is a lot of dedication for him and will boost his viewers a lot already. While you would still say he has to stop, no dedication, wont work, ... Professional vs hobby stream
@OP: If you gonna boost your streaming hours, try to first increase the time of 1 stream, not the amounts of streams. 2 times 4 hours is better than 4 times 2 hours, since you viewers will put you higher in the ranking and give you more viewers. Unless you are big and have a lot of followers, you viewer number only starts to go up after 2-3 hours of streaming because of this.
I did put myself in his shoes. Look at his page. donation buttons, follower me here and there, rules like "no viewer stealing!". It's all with a mindset to become a bigger streamer, not sit casual and play with a few friends or steady viewers.
Although I think your perspective is spot on. Perhaps OP will read your thoughts and think "yeah, maybe that's more for me". As I said also, there is nothing wrong being a casual streamer with a low steady viewer count - but then you can't expect it to grow big either, which is the impression i get is his long term goal was from the outset. There was some other nice suggestions earlier in the thread about promoting positive attitude on the stream, instead of punishing negatives. That kind of thing promotes a casual atmosphere as well.
I stream because it is fun. The donation button is there for anyone who wishes to support me, by throwing a dollar here and there to help pick up another game is all hell don't even have to donate at all. Im not looking to become some major top list streamer with hundreds of people watching every night. 5-10 people is all i'm looking for every stream. Im going to be making the switch from twitch to Hitbox because I feel with the games I enjoy playing I will have a better chance to get viewers. Also adding an extra day as well and extending my stream times from 2 to 3 hours a night. I feel this will have more of an impact. Your posts are helpful to me and allow me to see what i need to work on.
Thanks,
Synapse88
@Dezien Oh ok the way I read it lol its what I saw thanks for clarification
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when you say stupid person, you shouldnt put yourself down in such a way..
also, are you making up those numbers or did you just google "twitch stats for last month"... please tell me you did so i can laugh and get others to laugh along as well.... because, you know, those numbers in no way represent any significant stats of a game...any game.
please come back and let me know, i am dying to discuss your lack of self respect and internet smartz.
First of all: Not saying anyone is right or wrong.
Just want to point out: Most games (companies) don't give out number of their active player base. Even if some do, we can not compare real numbers because a lot are unknow.
To have an idea of the top played games, we have to find other ways.
1) Sales numbers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_III says over 12 million copies sold (15 million including console), best selling game of 2012. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games#PC shows D3 as 3rd best selling pc game, after minecraft and wow. This is based on the 12 million pc games, not the console version. Since there is no monthly fee, they all can play the game whenever they want. So, a huge possible playerbase with no downside to playing it.
2) Stream sites (twitch). While ranking is based on viewers, viewer interest often relates to player (soccer being most watched and played sport). Diablo is often in the top 5 list, never saw it outside the top 10.
3) Neutral data collection. http://social.xfire.com/games shows D3 the 6th most played game (in hours). While not accurate, it gives an idea what games are by played by people with the software software. You could people with xfire all fall in the same group of people, invalidating the results. But, D3 does not fit into the target audience xfire is going for, and since it's an old game, it doesn't get high numbers from gamers trying the latest game. So if anything, I would expect xfire numbers to be too low for D3 instead of being too high.
In any case, suggestion not to stream D3 to get more views, is a wrong suggestion, since it is often (always?) a top 10 game on a streaming site. Whether D2 has more player than D3 or not does not even matter because of this.
heya RiffSphere,
sale numbers are pretty and all but in no way reflect the current player base. anyone playing from day 1 would be able to confirm this just by looking at the queues / public games available back then and now... and of course, public game availability is also no way to measure a game's current player base as the introduction of clans basically killed pugs.
its a good thing you said "viewer interest OFTEN relates to player" because there are plenty of good examples that actually are outside of the OFTEN measurements. Take for example Puzzle and Dragons, 41 mil downloads worldwide, over 2.54 billion total revenue on micro sales -- outdoing most games on twitch and yet, it is a bottom feeder with very little viewers.. i think wow vanilla gets more than pad.
dont think suggesting to stream another game is a bad suggestion. if the person wants to actually become a "professional" streamer, then he is better off finding something that will get him more viewers faster, which can lead to sponsorships that much sooner. If he is just doing it for the fun of it, then getting 1-2 new subscribers shouldnt be an issue as that is not the most immediate goal.