I NEVER said anything about making the game darker.
Did you actually read my posts? Be honest. Please.
If you did, read them another (few) times.
did you not sign the petition? I thought this thread was referring to the petition. My bad. I like this tid-bit the best-
My current opinions are always more important, i may have changed/improved some of my thoughts.
as it shows that maybe some people are getting across to you. However, there will Always be things that avid gamers wish were done a little better or a little different. Every game I play I point out things like "I wish they had done this one little animation a little better." but that doesn't stop me from enjoying the game. I do think it's funny though that you talk in such a way that these little 'opinions' of yours seem the be the end all in what would make D3 the ultimate game for everybody lol.
here's the way I view this thread. There's this kid who is really creative and is known around town as being this really good story teller. He has a dream one night about a Pegasus that comes to save a village from all these troubles the village is having. However, as soon as everyone huddles around to hear another great story-
story teller: "My dream all started when the pegasus came from the sky and.."
-a fatkid wearing a shirt with the face of the story teller interupts-
fattie: "pegasus? Don't you mean unicorn?"
story teller: "um, no.. it was a pegasus. I know, it's my dream lololol"
fatkid: "well, i think it should be a unicorn. doesnt everyone else?"
audience: "No. shut up, he hasn't even started. you know his stories are aweosme, they never suck, and take a long time to tell.. so shut up already it's not your story lololol"
fatkid: "omg wtf can't you guys see why it would be better as a unicorn?"
story teller: "well, i've only said one sentence, later on there is a point where the pegasus has to fly away, unicrons can't fly"
fatkid: "Well, that's not true, cause i saw an pic on the internet of a unicorn that had wings"
-as the fatkid keeps crying the audience pushes him to the back of the group-
fatkid: "but but, the pegasus is all white! shouldn't the hooves be brown or something......"
audience member: "um, it's his dream"
(in a faint voice) fatkid: "ok! i changed my opinion but it's better now! it's allowed to be a pegasus! .... but it should should should still have a horn!"
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Irrevelant.Irrevelant.Irrevelant.Irrevelant.Irrevelant.! I SWAER I HAVE IN MY HEAD THE FOR BETTER DIABLOZ THAN DIABLOZ!
I dont get it. Why dont people understand?!
Not really irrelevant when the head of the art direction is literally explaining the decisions behind what you are crying about, as well as explaining that the game does indeed get darker as the game progresses in order to capture to audience more. You guys really jumped the gun by making the petition and seeing hardly any of a game due out years from now. I bet you're a quick one with the ladies as well!
Here we go folks, ANOTHER article of a sit-down with Jay released Today. Let's see what he and the mainstream press of the gaming world think about this!
VIA Destructoid:
Recently, upwards of 50,000 people signed a petition demanding that Diablo III's color palette be darkened. Luckily for us, the fan outcry wasn't enough to make Blizzard reconsider the game's art direction.
Talking to MTV Multiplayer, lead designer Jay Wilson says that "there's no going back now." He comments that Diablo III originally had a darker color scheme, but the team eventually decided against it.
“When you have 30 creatures on screen — and four or five different types — target prioritization is a factor. You need to be able to tell those things apart fast, and you can’t do that when your world is gray and your creatures are gray.”
I'm still trying to get over the fact that people were/are actually fighting to get more blacks, greys, and browns into Diablo III. Do we seriously not have enough games like that already?
I do think it's funny how things change though. What used to be a call for all around darker dungeon, more "GOTH", (LOL) and more "Diablo 2" has turned into n argument over green lamps in the dungeon.
The petition is done. It never mattered. We have not even seen much of the game and as Creepsville said, the petition is being looked at as on the same level as a bad fart joke. I'll trust Blizzard with the game they are making rather than the opinions of the kiddos who have seen 1 early on dungeon. There's no arguing here, no proving someone wrong at this point. It's all opinion.
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I'm not grabbing at straws, you tried to tell me that candles and torches and other fire sources dont give off orange light. Depending on the color of the flame, the light is produced.
All that other crap I could care less about its all opinions I don't mind you having a different opinion.
No, I didn't. I said that there is a white light that comes off of any candle or torch no matter what color you put it up next to as long as it's very close to it. Then someone posted a picture of a bonfire...
I replied with the picture of the hand to show that the closest part of the hand was illuminated white (the peach color of that part of the hand has lost it's color, similar to the greens in the dungeon that are up next to candles and flames).
Really, drop it already, you misunderstood me because you didn't care to read what I wrote.
LOL. This is freakin hilarious! :rolleyes:
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I don't think the art direction should be changed nor did I sign the petition, but you can't tell me all torches and candles burn white light.
ROFL. You're really grabbing staws here. However, this fails in one certain area - it's not what I was even talking about. I was talking about why the greens are not so strong and concentrated in color by the candles and why the green fades around your character as you walk through the environment.
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I should have known that instead of trying what I said, or even actually thinking about what I said you were going to something dumb like this. Those people are not close to the fire at all. Why? It's a bon fire lol. You didn;t even try what I said or even think about it. Take a candle, lighter, flashlight, whatever. Hold it close, it drowns the color.
see...
There is white in there at the closest point. I was trying to show a real world example of how this works and why the areas by the candle and your player dim out of green as your player moves or when candles or other sources of light are present. I just thought you might learn something, but as it shows you are so close minded and already know before reading a post that you will be arguing any point, no matter how illiogical or idiotic you may come across. grats, you prevailed once again!
Either way, lets get back to the petition-
Dont you guys think taht after reading the interview from today, among other things that you prematurely jumped the gun screaming for changes! I know.. i know.. it made you look kind of silly and as showing you put your foot in your mouths in terms of only seeing the early content of the game...
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Take out a flashlight or if you have a huge candle that will do as well. Now get the flashlight, or flame close to any surface you want, any color doesn't matter. It will turn white, and the color will fade.
Moving on:
For those that didn't read the interview I posted go do it. It's good and it will stop all your hesitations to try and tell Blizzard how to make their own games...
Heres the kicker for you close-minded whiners that think goth = pitch black dark... we haven't seen much of the game...
from the interview, today;
"The preliminary art we've seen so far, Wilson said, is from early on in the game. "We want to generate the feeling of everything getting worse... it's part of our narrative. It makes the more gloomy part of the game a place where the stakes get higher."
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Don't worry Dvirus55, according to an interview released today, Jay Wilson (Lead Designer for D3) explains how these people are viewed as nothing more than 'loud voices' who are creating the 'squeaky wheel syndrome' lol.
He explains - "Diablo is a game you play for, hopefully, hundreds of hours, and one of the rewards is a variety of different-looking environments." People looking back on old Diablo, he said, may have a selective memory. "People remember the Act I dungeons... but they kind of conveniently forget the green fields of Act I, and all of Act II... and it's palaces, its bright deserts."
It's actually a pretty good read and discusses nothing but the art direction of the game.
Look Kenzai, All of your arguments fall on preference of how you want things. Guess what, that differs from the preference of the people that made the games you love so much. The dungeons in Diablo 3 look great, they look cold, they look dark and evil. Maybe not to your liking, but your really in a minority as you have obviously fantasied what you THINK Diablo 3 should look like in that wee head of yours. You really can't prove any point you bring up because there is nothing to prove other than pointing a link to Dicionary.com for the definition of opinion... which I remind you, differs from the people actually creating the game.. the people you are saying are- doing things wrong. lol
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I said like 92347 times that they may keep the green dungeon if they add the source of the light
Oh? Is Blizzard allowed by you now to keep the colors they want but in order to they must do certain things thought up by that genius mind of yours? Listen to how you talk "They should do this! They should do that! They are allowed to this only if they do that!." Who are you again? What do you do? Wow, you would think with such talent as yours and such knowledge of "WUT IZ DIABLOZ" that would have already applied at Blizzard and be working on the game.... :rolleyes:
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at night so a night picture of this cathedral is not really a good exemple of what gothic should be. Anyway, I understand myself so it's ok, lol.
So first you're telling me how Diablo 'should be' then you're telling me how 'gothic' should be. No thanks, I'll take Blizzards viewpoint of Diablo, and historians' viewpoints on what the term 'gothic' refers to. :rolleyes: You've totally discredited yourself here....
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Exactly, it's not gothic anymore at night, it's ORIGINAL.
2.new; fresh; inventive; novel: an original way of advertising.
It's original as in LAZERSSS as in NEW AGE as in MODERN as in NOT GOTHIC.
Huh? It is gothic.
Either way the argument over "what is goth lololololol" doesn't really apply when you dealing with fantasy. There can be influences within the fantasy if the game developer decides to but Diablo in no way takes place in a realistic gothc era.
Look, the game will be awesome. You know this. The game will probably look better than you think. You know this as well. What you don't know is "What make's Diablo more Diablo" than the creators of the game themselves, since you know.. they make the game. The whole "It will look better if it's just Diablo 2 with updated graphics" yelling and petitioning is getting old. You crybabies really haven't put forth an argument past "IT SHULD B LIEK DIS CUZ... we played Diablo 2 more than anyone else and we know what better!" It's all opinion. Sucks for you, most people agree with Blizzard I guess.
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No it didn't, give me one shred of evidence where it is stated gothic buildings to be PAINTED on, maybe you can find something about gold coating or whatever, influenced by islamic architecture, or some statues, maybe. Maybe even some neo gothicism or whatever.
Well, you see here
Note the word original -
o·rig·i·nal Audio Help /əˈrɪdʒənl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-rij-uh-nl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective
1.belonging or pertaining to the origin or beginning of something, or to a thing at its beginning: The book still has its original binding.
2.new; fresh; inventive; novel: an original way of advertising.
3.arising or proceeding independently of anything else: an original view of history.
4.capable of or given to thinking or acting in an independent, creative, or individual manner: an original thinker.
5.created, undertaken, or presented for the first time: to give the original performance of a string quartet.
6.being something from which a copy, a translation, or the like is made: The original document is in Washington. –noun
7.a primary form or type from which varieties are derived.
8.an original work, writing, or the like, as opposed to any copy or imitation: The original of this is in the British Museum.
9.the person or thing represented by a picture, description, etc.: The original is said to have been the painter's own house.
10.a person whose ways of thinking or acting are original: In a field of brilliant technicians he is a true original.
11.Archaic. an eccentric person.
12.Archaic. a source of being; an author or originator.
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Yeah and who the fuck necroed this post anyways this topic was forgotten for almost 2 days and now the argue continues!
Well, what happened was the kiddos who think they canmake better games than Blizzard decided to tell everyone what they 'think' Blizzard needs to do to make the game... more like Blizzard's game. :rolleyes:
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Show me a single screenshot of D1/D2 with that type of green/blue lighting/environment.
Wow, after all this discussion and you still seem to be missing the point. I'm almost tempted to tell you to not buy Diablo 3 and stick with the old crap since that's the only thing you seem interested in doing. Sorry, Blizzard doesn't want to make Diablo 2 but 'with updated graphics.'
Go back and read the updated first post. There are people who have played the game that initially had the same concerns as you. After playing the game and seeing it in motion, first hand, they realized what a more extended color pallete can do for a game to immerse the player in the environment while sticking to a certain atmospheric feeling. I'm alost jsut tempted to say "you know, you don't have to play this game, go play the other hundred games that are engrossed with greay and brown that have hit the market the last 2 years." It's getting old IMO. THen again, I play on a huge monitor so picturing nothing but greys and blacks because you think it looks more "evil and Diablo" make my stomache churn.
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as it shows that maybe some people are getting across to you. However, there will Always be things that avid gamers wish were done a little better or a little different. Every game I play I point out things like "I wish they had done this one little animation a little better." but that doesn't stop me from enjoying the game. I do think it's funny though that you talk in such a way that these little 'opinions' of yours seem the be the end all in what would make D3 the ultimate game for everybody lol.
here's the way I view this thread. There's this kid who is really creative and is known around town as being this really good story teller. He has a dream one night about a Pegasus that comes to save a village from all these troubles the village is having. However, as soon as everyone huddles around to hear another great story-
story teller: "My dream all started when the pegasus came from the sky and.."
-a fatkid wearing a shirt with the face of the story teller interupts-
fattie: "pegasus? Don't you mean unicorn?"
story teller: "um, no.. it was a pegasus. I know, it's my dream lololol"
fatkid: "well, i think it should be a unicorn. doesnt everyone else?"
audience: "No. shut up, he hasn't even started. you know his stories are aweosme, they never suck, and take a long time to tell.. so shut up already it's not your story lololol"
fatkid: "omg wtf can't you guys see why it would be better as a unicorn?"
story teller: "well, i've only said one sentence, later on there is a point where the pegasus has to fly away, unicrons can't fly"
fatkid: "Well, that's not true, cause i saw an pic on the internet of a unicorn that had wings"
-as the fatkid keeps crying the audience pushes him to the back of the group-
fatkid: "but but, the pegasus is all white! shouldn't the hooves be brown or something......"
audience member: "um, it's his dream"
(in a faint voice) fatkid: "ok! i changed my opinion but it's better now! it's allowed to be a pegasus! .... but it should should should still have a horn!"
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
Not really irrelevant when the head of the art direction is literally explaining the decisions behind what you are crying about, as well as explaining that the game does indeed get darker as the game progresses in order to capture to audience more. You guys really jumped the gun by making the petition and seeing hardly any of a game due out years from now. I bet you're a quick one with the ladies as well!
Here we go folks, ANOTHER article of a sit-down with Jay released Today. Let's see what he and the mainstream press of the gaming world think about this!
VIA Destructoid:
I do think it's funny how things change though. What used to be a call for all around darker dungeon, more "GOTH", (LOL) and more "Diablo 2" has turned into n argument over green lamps in the dungeon.
The petition is done. It never mattered. We have not even seen much of the game and as Creepsville said, the petition is being looked at as on the same level as a bad fart joke. I'll trust Blizzard with the game they are making rather than the opinions of the kiddos who have seen 1 early on dungeon. There's no arguing here, no proving someone wrong at this point. It's all opinion.
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
No, I didn't. I said that there is a white light that comes off of any candle or torch no matter what color you put it up next to as long as it's very close to it. Then someone posted a picture of a bonfire...
I replied with the picture of the hand to show that the closest part of the hand was illuminated white (the peach color of that part of the hand has lost it's color, similar to the greens in the dungeon that are up next to candles and flames).
Really, drop it already, you misunderstood me because you didn't care to read what I wrote.
LOL. This is freakin hilarious! :rolleyes:
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
ROFL. You're really grabbing staws here. However, this fails in one certain area - it's not what I was even talking about. I was talking about why the greens are not so strong and concentrated in color by the candles and why the green fades around your character as you walk through the environment.
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
I should have known that instead of trying what I said, or even actually thinking about what I said you were going to something dumb like this. Those people are not close to the fire at all. Why? It's a bon fire lol. You didn;t even try what I said or even think about it. Take a candle, lighter, flashlight, whatever. Hold it close, it drowns the color.
see...
There is white in there at the closest point. I was trying to show a real world example of how this works and why the areas by the candle and your player dim out of green as your player moves or when candles or other sources of light are present. I just thought you might learn something, but as it shows you are so close minded and already know before reading a post that you will be arguing any point, no matter how illiogical or idiotic you may come across. grats, you prevailed once again!
Either way, lets get back to the petition-
Dont you guys think taht after reading the interview from today, among other things that you prematurely jumped the gun screaming for changes! I know.. i know.. it made you look kind of silly and as showing you put your foot in your mouths in terms of only seeing the early content of the game...
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
Take out a flashlight or if you have a huge candle that will do as well. Now get the flashlight, or flame close to any surface you want, any color doesn't matter. It will turn white, and the color will fade.
Moving on:
For those that didn't read the interview I posted go do it. It's good and it will stop all your hesitations to try and tell Blizzard how to make their own games...
Heres the kicker for you close-minded whiners that think goth = pitch black dark... we haven't seen much of the game...
from the interview, today;
"The preliminary art we've seen so far, Wilson said, is from early on in the game. "We want to generate the feeling of everything getting worse... it's part of our narrative. It makes the more gloomy part of the game a place where the stakes get higher."
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
He explains - "Diablo is a game you play for, hopefully, hundreds of hours, and one of the rewards is a variety of different-looking environments." People looking back on old Diablo, he said, may have a selective memory. "People remember the Act I dungeons... but they kind of conveniently forget the green fields of Act I, and all of Act II... and it's palaces, its bright deserts."
It's actually a pretty good read and discusses nothing but the art direction of the game.
http://kotaku.com/5031732/art-apocalypse-blizzards-wilson-talks-diablo-iii-design-decisions
Let's face it, these people know games... more so than the fans who can even claim to be their biggest fans.
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
Oh? Is Blizzard allowed by you now to keep the colors they want but in order to they must do certain things thought up by that genius mind of yours? Listen to how you talk "They should do this! They should do that! They are allowed to this only if they do that!." Who are you again? What do you do? Wow, you would think with such talent as yours and such knowledge of "WUT IZ DIABLOZ" that would have already applied at Blizzard and be working on the game.... :rolleyes:
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
So first you're telling me how Diablo 'should be' then you're telling me how 'gothic' should be. No thanks, I'll take Blizzards viewpoint of Diablo, and historians' viewpoints on what the term 'gothic' refers to. :rolleyes: You've totally discredited yourself here....
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
Huh? It is gothic.
Either way the argument over "what is goth lololololol" doesn't really apply when you dealing with fantasy. There can be influences within the fantasy if the game developer decides to but Diablo in no way takes place in a realistic gothc era.
Look, the game will be awesome. You know this. The game will probably look better than you think. You know this as well. What you don't know is "What make's Diablo more Diablo" than the creators of the game themselves, since you know.. they make the game. The whole "It will look better if it's just Diablo 2 with updated graphics" yelling and petitioning is getting old. You crybabies really haven't put forth an argument past "IT SHULD B LIEK DIS CUZ... we played Diablo 2 more than anyone else and we know what better!" It's all opinion. Sucks for you, most people agree with Blizzard I guess.
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
Well, you see here
Note the word original -
o·rig·i·nal Audio Help /əˈrɪdʒənl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uh-rij-uh-nl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective
1.belonging or pertaining to the origin or beginning of something, or to a thing at its beginning: The book still has its original binding.
2.new; fresh; inventive; novel: an original way of advertising.
3.arising or proceeding independently of anything else: an original view of history.
4.capable of or given to thinking or acting in an independent, creative, or individual manner: an original thinker.
5.created, undertaken, or presented for the first time: to give the original performance of a string quartet.
6.being something from which a copy, a translation, or the like is made: The original document is in Washington. –noun
7.a primary form or type from which varieties are derived.
8.an original work, writing, or the like, as opposed to any copy or imitation: The original of this is in the British Museum.
9.the person or thing represented by a picture, description, etc.: The original is said to have been the painter's own house.
10.a person whose ways of thinking or acting are original: In a field of brilliant technicians he is a true original.
11.Archaic. an eccentric person.
12.Archaic. a source of being; an author or originator.
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
Well, what happened was the kiddos who think they canmake better games than Blizzard decided to tell everyone what they 'think' Blizzard needs to do to make the game... more like Blizzard's game. :rolleyes:
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
Wow, after all this discussion and you still seem to be missing the point. I'm almost tempted to tell you to not buy Diablo 3 and stick with the old crap since that's the only thing you seem interested in doing. Sorry, Blizzard doesn't want to make Diablo 2 but 'with updated graphics.'
Go back and read the updated first post. There are people who have played the game that initially had the same concerns as you. After playing the game and seeing it in motion, first hand, they realized what a more extended color pallete can do for a game to immerse the player in the environment while sticking to a certain atmospheric feeling. I'm alost jsut tempted to say "you know, you don't have to play this game, go play the other hundred games that are engrossed with greay and brown that have hit the market the last 2 years." It's getting old IMO. THen again, I play on a huge monitor so picturing nothing but greys and blacks because you think it looks more "evil and Diablo" make my stomache churn.
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”
"We’re not just making a ‘Diablo II’ with updated 3D graphics.”