Here is your anti "anti-color" "debater". Here is the fool who represents what many of you have to say.
Stop trolling and trying to make blanket statements about those who disagree with you in order to make yourself feel better. People with different views have been called everything from Blizzard loverz! to Untrue, False Diablo fans by you people.
you are trying to be funny right? he never said that diablo = rain, ever.
Yes, he did. He made the screenshot with extra RAIN in it. That's a statement that adding rain makes the game more Diabloesque. He also said that a game is more immersive if it is dark. So I suppose he feels like rain helps a game become more immersive,...which is funny. I guess I'm not trying to be funny. It is just funny how people think sometimes once you lay out what they are really saying for all to see.
The way you came off is as if those dumb fans are not good at being fans of Diablo because of their lack of ability to as you put it "suspend disbelief". I'm not putting words in your mouth, I'm telling you how it comes off. It's like analyzing a literary work. You can get soo many things from it that might not actually be there by the intent of the author.
I already told you that you misinterpreted my post, and clarified it for you, and here you are still repeating your misinterpretation. I don't know how to make it any more clear.
I told you to stop putting words in my mouth and here you are, arguing that I implied something and then going off about analyzing literature - as if that even applies here. If I say "I didn't say that. here's what I meant" and then you continue in your next post to say "You did say that" then you are putting words in my mouth. There's no argument to be made. It is what it is. You are saying I implied/said something that I didn't. End of story.
Read above. You even say now that I am saying that people are "dumb fans and not good at being fans of Diablo". That is putting words into my mouth. There is no arguing this.
I said, if one chooses to not suspend their disbelief they are going to have ridiculous complaints and fail to appreciate the fantasy that has been created. So if Blizzard succeeds in making a perfectly good fantasy game and someone is complaining about things like the size of shoulder pads and ambient lighting then they are obviously not submitting fully to the fantasy and they are keeping themselves from appreciating it for what it is. It makes their arguments for change seem unwarranted and picky when we look at the situation this way.
But you didn't get that. I have clarified it over and over now. I suppose I hope that you can figure it out this time but I won't count on it. So now what do you think of my point?
Rofl, its not making a connection that isn't there! Its on you for not taking into consideration how I would respond.
Saying that I said that people are being bad fans and then connecting things that aren't there to come to a "logical" conclusion that I am claiming that people are "bad fans" IS connecting things that aren't there. It is what it is. Stop trying to rationalize it. Stop trying to worm out of it. I think you simply didn't get what I posted and that's not a bad thing,... until you start putting words into my mouth.
And thats just your opinion, it's not common sense, maybe to you but not to others. I dont think Fantasy games qualify in a category for common sense. Some people, a lot of people feel that it's up to the designers and that there are graphic designers for a reason. On one end yes it is a fantasy game and a lot of it depends on the interest of the player but at the other end, this isn't D&D the board game. Its a VIDEO game, the ambiance brings so much to the game that people have a right to complain if they feel the graphics and lighting do not suite the game no matter how monotonous the complaints get.
This is what I said. I will explain it to you as if you are a child so that you will understand:
If you aren't willing to suspend your disbelief then you can't appreciate the effects of a piece of fantasy media.
I said this in reference to people complaining that the green light in the game play video "has no source". The light works. To question it shows a distinct pigheadedness to question things just for the sake of complaining and a total lack of suspending disbelief.
EDIT: And suspending your disbelief when viewing a movie or fantasy is common sense. It's something we have all agreed upon as a race. Either you do it or you don't. And look at how much thread we just wasted because you misunderstood me and went off about how I need to back up my opinion...ha. Just let me have my opinion on people who are so close minded that they can't stand the sight of creepy green lighting in a dungeon.
Yes i do. You implied it, and if you didn't intend to then you should have taken into consideration how someone else would take it. The logic there would be "Not doing Job as fan"="bad fan". So go ahead and overreact to what everyone says. Rofl, your so damn hostile towards just about everybody.
You gave an opinion with no basis, you never explained "why"
"You this and you that! You did this! You implied this!"
Stop.
I didn't imply a thing.
Stop trying to rationalize a connection that isn't there. Don't think that using the word "logic" gives you a leg to stand on.
I don't have to back up what common sense gives us. Part of any fantasy is suspending your disbelief. It's up to the viewer to decide to do so or not.
So let's get back on topic instead of you trying to cover that you can't comprehend what I'm typing most of the time.
This doesn't really make sense, it doesn't really make sense and isn't backed with reasoning on why.
Dont get me wrong i LOVE the direction of D3, but just b/cuz some don't like it right now doesn't mean that they are bad fans or "failing to do a job" what???
Reread what I said and read what you responded with. When did BAD FANS come up? Do you even think before you type shit like this?
If the red and blue shots work then the green one does as well. I wonder what the green haters have to say about that...
It's just lighting. Questioning it's source, especially in a fantasy game, shows a willful intention to not suspend your disbelief and therefore you won't allow yourself to be immersed in the game. Blizzard didn't fail to do their job - you did. And if you can't suspend your disbelief then why are you so into fantasy games in the first place?
Red is a color of evil. Greenish/blue, however, is a scooby doo tactic at best, and a direct WoW transfer at worst.
Authors throughout the ages, great authors, authors like William Shakespeare speak about the color green and it's reference to evil, poison, eeriness, and the like. It has always been this way and it will always stay this way. Certain greens evoke a sickly feeling when people see them. And what does angel do? He compares green lighting to scooby-doo.
Shows how much he knows about what he is saying.
We have a guy saying that making things green is a scooby doo "tactic" (whatever that means). And even went as far as to call it a "WoW transfer" as well when many, many, games use greenish lighting in their level designs.
The main difference there is that there could be a light source outside of the church. I can't think of a single instance in Diablos 1 or 2 where unexplained lighting, without light sources no less(!), persists for any significant amount of time. Even in the den of evil shot, the light is coming from either the sun or heaven in the form of a beam; it originates somewhere off screen. The green light of the D3 dungeon is simply there.
Plus, red is the color of Diablo's magic, and the aura of any self-respecting demon.
See why you can't argue with these people?
He just compared D3's lighting to Diablo 1 and 2's - as if that makes some astute point.
And then he constantly sets a double standard as it's ok for Red light to show up because it's just Diablo's magic demon aura thingie...but green light is out of the question because...well because.
You can't convince someone that believes a game from 8-10 years ago is the final word on what a game can look like today. You can't convince someone that makes up rules about magic and auras that green light in a dungeon WORKS from a game design standpoint. He'll just make up some inane reason for why it doesn't work in his next post.
Apparently you must be able to see the source of all lighting in a piece of media for it to be good...
Also, green light is not allowed in Diablo.
And shoulder pads must not exceed regulation sizes as set by the huge spikey shoulder pads from Diablo 1 and 2.
And the game needs more "realism", but mist creating a rainbow as it hits the light, as seen in reality, is not allowed.
And if you make the game look as if a gorgeous fantasy painting come to life then you are just copy pasting WoW.
It's just amazing to me how many rules people have made up for the Diablo franchise. You'd think that Blizz needs to just remake D2 in 3D in order to satisfy these people.
I haven't seen you make a single reasonable point about anything. Pretty close to putting you on ignore actually, and I haven't even been the one arguing with you.
You're not reading the threads then.
And please put me on ignore. I'm already tired of you calling me a troll in multiple threads because you have nothing real to add.
Somewhat, but even people who like the art direction are sick of you and your idiotic trolling. At least a few of your allies have some decent arguments.
Anyone else sick of people calling others a troll every time they can't muster a decent argument?
Stop trolling and trying to make blanket statements about those who disagree with you in order to make yourself feel better. People with different views have been called everything from Blizzard loverz! to Untrue, False Diablo fans by you people.
Yes, he did. He made the screenshot with extra RAIN in it. That's a statement that adding rain makes the game more Diabloesque. He also said that a game is more immersive if it is dark. So I suppose he feels like rain helps a game become more immersive,...which is funny. I guess I'm not trying to be funny. It is just funny how people think sometimes once you lay out what they are really saying for all to see.
At that part of the games story does it really require more rain? Does more rain make a game more immersive?
Such trivial complaints.
I already told you that you misinterpreted my post, and clarified it for you, and here you are still repeating your misinterpretation. I don't know how to make it any more clear.
I told you to stop putting words in my mouth and here you are, arguing that I implied something and then going off about analyzing literature - as if that even applies here. If I say "I didn't say that. here's what I meant" and then you continue in your next post to say "You did say that" then you are putting words in my mouth. There's no argument to be made. It is what it is. You are saying I implied/said something that I didn't. End of story.
Read above. You even say now that I am saying that people are "dumb fans and not good at being fans of Diablo". That is putting words into my mouth. There is no arguing this.
I said, if one chooses to not suspend their disbelief they are going to have ridiculous complaints and fail to appreciate the fantasy that has been created. So if Blizzard succeeds in making a perfectly good fantasy game and someone is complaining about things like the size of shoulder pads and ambient lighting then they are obviously not submitting fully to the fantasy and they are keeping themselves from appreciating it for what it is. It makes their arguments for change seem unwarranted and picky when we look at the situation this way.
But you didn't get that. I have clarified it over and over now. I suppose I hope that you can figure it out this time but I won't count on it. So now what do you think of my point?
Saying that I said that people are being bad fans and then connecting things that aren't there to come to a "logical" conclusion that I am claiming that people are "bad fans" IS connecting things that aren't there. It is what it is. Stop trying to rationalize it. Stop trying to worm out of it. I think you simply didn't get what I posted and that's not a bad thing,... until you start putting words into my mouth.
This is what I said. I will explain it to you as if you are a child so that you will understand:
If you aren't willing to suspend your disbelief then you can't appreciate the effects of a piece of fantasy media.
I said this in reference to people complaining that the green light in the game play video "has no source". The light works. To question it shows a distinct pigheadedness to question things just for the sake of complaining and a total lack of suspending disbelief.
EDIT: And suspending your disbelief when viewing a movie or fantasy is common sense. It's something we have all agreed upon as a race. Either you do it or you don't. And look at how much thread we just wasted because you misunderstood me and went off about how I need to back up my opinion...ha. Just let me have my opinion on people who are so close minded that they can't stand the sight of creepy green lighting in a dungeon.
"You this and you that! You did this! You implied this!"
Stop.
I didn't imply a thing.
Stop trying to rationalize a connection that isn't there. Don't think that using the word "logic" gives you a leg to stand on.
I don't have to back up what common sense gives us. Part of any fantasy is suspending your disbelief. It's up to the viewer to decide to do so or not.
So let's get back on topic instead of you trying to cover that you can't comprehend what I'm typing most of the time.
Reread what I said and read what you responded with. When did BAD FANS come up? Do you even think before you type shit like this?
It's just lighting. Questioning it's source, especially in a fantasy game, shows a willful intention to not suspend your disbelief and therefore you won't allow yourself to be immersed in the game. Blizzard didn't fail to do their job - you did. And if you can't suspend your disbelief then why are you so into fantasy games in the first place?
Authors throughout the ages, great authors, authors like William Shakespeare speak about the color green and it's reference to evil, poison, eeriness, and the like. It has always been this way and it will always stay this way. Certain greens evoke a sickly feeling when people see them. And what does angel do? He compares green lighting to scooby-doo.
Shows how much he knows about what he is saying.
We have a guy saying that making things green is a scooby doo "tactic" (whatever that means). And even went as far as to call it a "WoW transfer" as well when many, many, games use greenish lighting in their level designs.
See why you can't argue with these people?
He just compared D3's lighting to Diablo 1 and 2's - as if that makes some astute point.
And then he constantly sets a double standard as it's ok for Red light to show up because it's just Diablo's magic demon aura thingie...but green light is out of the question because...well because.
You can't convince someone that believes a game from 8-10 years ago is the final word on what a game can look like today. You can't convince someone that makes up rules about magic and auras that green light in a dungeon WORKS from a game design standpoint. He'll just make up some inane reason for why it doesn't work in his next post.
I think you are the one who needs to explain why the green light shouldn't be there.
1. It adds to the atmosphere. It makes the air look sickly and putrid.
2. It helps differentiate the Tombs level from other dungeons in the game. It kills monotony of levels.
3. It adds to the Horror aspect of the game. Green is used in horror movies constantly to evoke mood.
4. It's surreal in a good way as it helps create the illusion of being in a fantasy world.
Also, green light is not allowed in Diablo.
And shoulder pads must not exceed regulation sizes as set by the huge spikey shoulder pads from Diablo 1 and 2.
And the game needs more "realism", but mist creating a rainbow as it hits the light, as seen in reality, is not allowed.
And if you make the game look as if a gorgeous fantasy painting come to life then you are just copy pasting WoW.
It's just amazing to me how many rules people have made up for the Diablo franchise. You'd think that Blizz needs to just remake D2 in 3D in order to satisfy these people.
You're not reading the threads then.
And please put me on ignore. I'm already tired of you calling me a troll in multiple threads because you have nothing real to add.
Anyone else sick of people calling others a troll every time they can't muster a decent argument?