He said "knowledgeable" player, you can stop responding to this thread, and now because you're not on my level and have shown you're not worth talking to, ignore list time, enjoy your stay.
He said knowledgable player, yes, not some theory-crafting , assumption based logic player.
I'm not on your level, you're right, because you are SO far below me that it's ridiculous.
I can swap out huge toad for Wall if I want, all personal preference, but I like having huge toad
*All of your arguments against "won't last long in inferno" just kinda shows you're not going to be of the people farming inferno. There is a reason why CC values are reduced, because they are that strong. If the values stayed the same, the game would be a joke. CC will also be a requirement of a balanced party, because if you haven't seen the damage values for inferno mobs, most Act3-4 mobs in inferno difficulty can 2 shot you as a caster, and 3 shot you as a melee (unless you take armour passives, shield, affix stacking DR etc)
* mass confuse - Long CD
powerful abilities have long CD's which is why you have Grave Injustice as a passive, and tribal rites
*Horrify - Range Issue
Face of death says hello
*Hex - your argument about range is null and void you assume proximity is a problem, infact it is not in group situations. All classes will be expected to kite, and move in and out of melee range. Monster Affix Mortar says hello for thinking you play this game sitting at range 24/7 as a caster. Further one enemy is not a problem either, considering Hex is on a low CD, with a passive like grave injustice, it makes it even lower.
*Zdogs, gargant tanking - , with the right passives and gear, they will probably be able to tank or why would there be defensive based runes and passives which indicate such? little is known about Zdog and nothing is known about Garg scaling. Someone tried to zdog testing in beta, but with such little to work with, I take those results with a grain of salt.
*wall of zombies which is why you cast it BEFORE they surround you, amazing stuff I know. Preemptive playing, my god, who would of thought...that thing you will need to do... to do any of inferno... *BRAIN XPLODESSS*
Done yet?
Yeah, they are reduced, yes they are strong, but that DOESN'T change the fact that they are reduced...I reason I keep using that argument, is because, i don't know, maybe because IT'S TRUE.
I meant you can't take them all , IF you're going to be effective. You're build is really bad. Blizzard has said if you aren't doing damage, you're doing it wrong. You have a bunch of cc that is reduced effects. You will be providing barely any damage to your team compared to this build
This build allows for single target and AOE damage for yourself. A tank pet with a stun. And Has 3 of your cc abilities that you like. Passives allow you to debuff enemy damage, survive from being 1 shot, and reduced periodic damage.
24 yard horrify still isn't that big honestly. Mortar, you can dodge sideways. And not every mob will have this. I'm glad you brought up ONE of the FEW situations where you have to get close. You don't tailor your build for a few situations, You have to "diverse" your build to all situations.
yes, zdogs and garg CAN tank, I'm just saying in groups they won't be as effective with the damage buff to enemies.. I guess you only read and understand what YOU want to.
Wall of zombies. Let's use your kind of logic, there are times in the game where enemies come from MORE than one direction from the START. Therefore you CAN'T just not LET them surround you if they already are around you. Even in beta there was times where they spawn All around you in that one trap.
In conclusion, your logic has been highly ineffective in this one sided destruction (debate).
My actual logic > your subpar "reasoning".
Are YOU done making yourself look like an elitest retard?
No, actually, blizzard said that players will change the way they think about and balance the game, because they cannot predict how players will play, and what comps they will use. That the first people to clear inferno will be those that use tactics they never thought of, and combined abilities to do OP crazy shit.
I dont care if Jay Wilson said "if you're not doing damage you're doing it wrong" Jay Wilson didnt beat Inferno, none of the "elite test team" beat inferno. I'm not going to listen to the logic of people who didnt beat their own game, blizzard often fails foresight because players use "clever use of game mechanics" often, in every game they have ever made, to do things they cannot predict. Which is why they usually overtune difficulty to deal with their inability to foresee player strategy, this is a common blizzard practice. If I'm in a 4 man comp, and im able to control the entire flow of combat, by myself, while my other group members focus on blowing shit the fuck up, I win 10x over.
done being so naive?
Most "clever use of mechnicis" usually are exploits or nerfed soon after. The first people to beat inferno will most likely use some kind of exploit/glitch. The people using OP builds will soon come afterwards.
Done saying done when you obviously lost from post 1?
You won't be able to control the flow of combat 100 percent. 10 seconds after you use your cc, most of your cc abilities will end, and if the fight takes a minute, the downtime of your cc will be atleast 30 seconds in total. How is 30 seconds of no cc up, and no ability to provide damage winning 10x over?
I can swap out huge toad for Wall if I want, all personal preference, but I like having huge toad
*All of your arguments against "won't last long in inferno" just kinda shows you're not going to be of the people farming inferno. There is a reason why CC values are reduced, because they are that strong. If the values stayed the same, the game would be a joke. CC will also be a requirement of a balanced party, because if you haven't seen the damage values for inferno mobs, most Act3-4 mobs in inferno difficulty can 2 shot you as a caster, and 3 shot you as a melee (unless you take armour passives, shield, affix stacking DR etc)
* mass confuse - Long CD
powerful abilities have long CD's which is why you have Grave Injustice as a passive, and tribal rites
*Horrify - Range Issue
Face of death says hello
*Hex - your argument about range is null and void you assume proximity is a problem, infact it is not in group situations. All classes will be expected to kite, and move in and out of melee range. Monster Affix Mortar says hello for thinking you play this game sitting at range 24/7 as a caster. Further one enemy is not a problem either, considering Hex is on a low CD, with a passive like grave injustice, it makes it even lower.
*Zdogs, gargant tanking - , with the right passives and gear, they will probably be able to tank or why would there be defensive based runes and passives which indicate such? little is known about Zdog and nothing is known about Garg scaling. Someone tried to zdog testing in beta, but with such little to work with, I take those results with a grain of salt.
*wall of zombies which is why you cast it BEFORE they surround you, amazing stuff I know. Preemptive playing, my god, who would of thought...that thing you will need to do... to do any of inferno... *BRAIN XPLODESSS*
Done yet?
Yeah, they are reduced, yes they are strong, but that DOESN'T change the fact that they are reduced...I reason I keep using that argument, is because, i don't know, maybe because IT'S TRUE.
I meant you can't take them all , IF you're going to be effective. You're build is really bad. Blizzard has said if you aren't doing damage, you're doing it wrong. You have a bunch of cc that is reduced effects. You will be providing barely any damage to your team compared to this build
This build allows for single target and AOE damage for yourself. A tank pet with a stun. And Has 3 of your cc abilities that you like. Passives allow you to debuff enemy damage, survive from being 1 shot, and reduced periodic damage.
24 yard horrify still isn't that big honestly. Mortar, you can dodge sideways. And not every mob will have this. I'm glad you brought up ONE of the FEW situations where you have to get close. You don't tailor your build for a few situations, You have to "diverse" your build to all situations.
yes, zdogs and garg CAN tank, I'm just saying in groups they won't be as effective with the damage buff to enemies.. I guess you only read and understand what YOU want to.
Wall of zombies. Let's use your kind of logic, there are times in the game where enemies come from MORE than one direction from the START. Therefore you CAN'T just not LET them surround you if they already are around you. Even in beta there was times where they spawn All around you in that one trap.
In conclusion, your logic has been highly ineffective in this one sided destruction (debate).
My actual logic > your subpar "reasoning".
Are YOU done making yourself look like an elitest retard?
Why do you need a certain class at all? EST , PST, EU?
I don't think anyone realizes how hard inferno is going to be initially. Thats cool that some groups want to have 2 barbs and 2 wizards, 3 WD and 1 monk....etc. I just personally think the team that has the most diverse characters will have an esasier time in inferno. For us that team is all but the DH.
And if the WD ends up not being as good as a DH in your team comp? Gonna have the WD you recuit reroll or just kick him for another 60 DH?
I've been keeping up with the withcdoctor since announcement. I plan on playing one. Honestly, all the Skepticism I've been showing in the thread was more or less to seeing if you guys/gals actually knew what you was saying, and for the most part yes, you do.
I'm am EST, and can play as long and as often as needed for the summer (college is over). I plan on playing 3 a.m. est and I already have the game digital downloaded.
He said knowledgable player, yes, not some theory-crafting , assumption based logic player.
I'm not on your level, you're right, because you are SO far below me that it's ridiculous.
Most "clever use of mechnicis" usually are exploits or nerfed soon after. The first people to beat inferno will most likely use some kind of exploit/glitch. The people using OP builds will soon come afterwards.
Done saying done when you obviously lost from post 1?
You won't be able to control the flow of combat 100 percent. 10 seconds after you use your cc, most of your cc abilities will end, and if the fight takes a minute, the downtime of your cc will be atleast 30 seconds in total. How is 30 seconds of no cc up, and no ability to provide damage winning 10x over?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x-JVXkd8SQ
Yeah, they are reduced, yes they are strong, but that DOESN'T change the fact that they are reduced...I reason I keep using that argument, is because, i don't know, maybe because IT'S TRUE.
I meant you can't take them all , IF you're going to be effective. You're build is really bad. Blizzard has said if you aren't doing damage, you're doing it wrong. You have a bunch of cc that is reduced effects. You will be providing barely any damage to your team compared to this build
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witch-doctor#aSTRQj!ZcV!aacZbb
This build allows for single target and AOE damage for yourself. A tank pet with a stun. And Has 3 of your cc abilities that you like. Passives allow you to debuff enemy damage, survive from being 1 shot, and reduced periodic damage.
24 yard horrify still isn't that big honestly. Mortar, you can dodge sideways. And not every mob will have this. I'm glad you brought up ONE of the FEW situations where you have to get close. You don't tailor your build for a few situations, You have to "diverse" your build to all situations.
yes, zdogs and garg CAN tank, I'm just saying in groups they won't be as effective with the damage buff to enemies.. I guess you only read and understand what YOU want to.
Wall of zombies. Let's use your kind of logic, there are times in the game where enemies come from MORE than one direction from the START. Therefore you CAN'T just not LET them surround you if they already are around you. Even in beta there was times where they spawn All around you in that one trap.
In conclusion, your logic has been highly ineffective in this one sided destruction (debate).
My actual logic > your subpar "reasoning".
Are YOU done making yourself look like an elitest retard?
And if the WD ends up not being as good as a DH in your team comp? Gonna have the WD you recuit reroll or just kick him for another 60 DH?
I've been keeping up with the withcdoctor since announcement. I plan on playing one. Honestly, all the Skepticism I've been showing in the thread was more or less to seeing if you guys/gals actually knew what you was saying, and for the most part yes, you do.
I'm am EST, and can play as long and as often as needed for the summer (college is over). I plan on playing 3 a.m. est and I already have the game digital downloaded.
The best source of confuse in game - mass confuse (Long CD, Inferno enemies won't be affected as long or as much)
The best source of fear in the game - Horrify (You're telling me you want the WD to run IN to fear a few mobs? LMAO)
The ability to turn an enemy useless - Hex (One enemy, at random, have to be close to them, and yet again, won't last long in inferno)
The ability to pet tank - Zdogs, Gargantuan (Yes, solo can tank. But for inferno, double damage, half the time)
The only wall ability - Wall of zombies (Not going to help when surrounded)