I can understand that bigdaddyden terribly wants to make it to the frontpage widget or what?
It's just terrible, popular guy comes, duplicates everything just when patch arrives at the "builder", and upvotes everything through an army of subscribers. Drahque techniques still live.GG
Q: When can I create builds for the upcoming patch X.Y?
A: In theory. you can create those builds now and update them once the patch goes live. However, note that the frontpage widget does not feature builds that have been created after a certain date (to avoid that we see the same build for several seasons, just being updated). This is the only drawback - if you don't care about the frontpage widget, you can just take your existing builds and update them with new items, text, and other information as often as you want and for as long as you want.
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This is terribly unfair. A lot of people created builds and theorycrafted throughout all PTR cycle. And then the "big guy" comes and gets all the cream of the crop. Nice.
Bumping old builds is one thing, but duplicating your own existing builds for more attraction is another.
there's a WD haunt build using only 2pc jade that looks phenomenal. i upvoted it, but that's it. +2. it's pretty creative, and i hope it doesnt get buried as HT builds would certainly be upvoted.
i'm one of the few people that checks the new builds every day just to see, and i think a lot of the duping is silly. maybe if we could favorite or mark builds we like in some way, people wouldn't feel they need to make their own version? like, i'll remember the haunt build b/c of the way it was named, but not everyone is me, and not every build has a unique enough name. favorites would be the best, or at least tracking your own upvotes with links to those builds.
I get your point, but what is the alternative? If the widget takes "old builds" into account, then certain people will just update their 2000+ upvote builds indefinitely and forever remain #1 on the widget. At some point there has to be a cut. If we do not allow people to post similar builds twice (which is close to impossible anyways from a development point of view without messing up usability) then no one would point any PTR builds anymore altogether.
Every solution has drawbacks. No system is ever perfect. But on this one I'm not exactly sure what the takeaway from your criticism is. So because he did a lot of PTR testing and made those builds during PTR (when the system still had a different patch number), you're saying he has forfeit his right to re-create the builds now that 2.4.2 is live and get to the frontpage with those builds? Note that many many people create duplicates of builds - be it only for having two variants and not having to edit back and forth because you have two very similar (yet in playstyle different) builds.
Your criticism in #3 says that it's unfair if someone does a lot of PTR testing and then the big guys come and claim the fame. Well, but in this case it's his own fame. If he doesn't recreate the builds, someone else does. And you being a WD you know exactly that probably 99% of the WD builds in 2.4.2 are going to be very very similar (basically 2.4.1 builds with Wormwood+Haunt+RoE somehow incorporated).
On a more general rant: I think we all realized that whoever makes the frontpage widget is not the "inventor" of a build or the "first" to make it or the "best written" build... it's all about advertising. Welcome to the Internet in 2016 - I'd be happy to see Diablofans being different to the rest of the world but it's not. A troll thread on Reddit recently got 1000 upvotes, repetitive meta/"what should I play" threads are all over the place, and useful contributions usually hover around 50 upvotes and vanish quickly. Don't blame the system, blame the people. (Very very relevant to politics at the moment, btw.)
I get your point, but what is the alternative? If the widget takes "old builds" into account, then certain people will just update their 2000+ upvote builds indefinitely and forever remain #1 on the widget. At some point there has to be a cut. If we do not allow people to post similar builds twice (which is close to impossible anyways from a development point of view without messing up usability) then no one would point any PTR builds anymore altogether.
Every solution has drawbacks. No system is ever perfect. But on this one I'm not exactly sure what the takeaway from your criticism is. So because he did a lot of PTR testing and made those builds during PTR (when the system still had a different patch number), you're saying he has forfeit his right to re-create the builds now that 2.4.2 is live and get to the frontpage with those builds? Note that many many people create duplicates of builds - be it only for having two variants and not having to edit back and forth because you have two very similar (yet in playstyle different) builds.
Your criticism in #3 says that it's unfair if someone does a lot of PTR testing and then the big guys come and claim the fame. Well, but in this case it's his own fame. If he doesn't recreate the builds, someone else does. And you being a WD you know exactly that probably 99% of the WD builds in 2.4.2 are going to be very very similar (basically 2.4.1 builds with Wormwood+Haunt+RoE somehow incorporated).
On a more general rant: I think we all realized that whoever makes the frontpage widget is not the "inventor" of a build or the "first" to make it or the "best written" build... it's all about advertising. Welcome to the Internet in 2016 - I'd be happy to see Diablofans being different to the rest of the world but it's not. A troll thread on Reddit recently got 1000 upvotes, repetitive meta/"what should I play" threads are all over the place, and useful contributions usually hover around 50 upvotes and vanish quickly. Don't blame the system, blame the people. (Very very relevant to politics at the moment, btw.)
There should be some moderation to the builds section for sure. At least that's how i see it. Right now it's nothing but a mess.
If someone abuses the system replicating his own builds at a certain date.. well.. It's like a Diablo exploit on a Diablo forum. A "duping".
I expected the "Welcome to Internet where nothing is fair" of cause.
I've been thinking why Jmacc for example does nothing for months and then comes at the very start of the season, posts 12 "consolidated/stolen" builds and gets all the glory. Life is unfair, yes, i know. At least now i see how it works here. I was unfamilar with these nuances of the Diablofans system. Now i see how pointless it is to create builds mid-ptr. I would be smarter next time and sit at night with a dozen of builds to "submit"
I've tried to promote my Twister Archon build for S6 since 1 week into the season. Updated my build here almost every day (and once deleted my original build by mistake, damn that delete button right next to the edit button and browser updating... surpirisingly already got 30k views back then but still much less than the inferior so called "NEW Asian Vyr/Tal Chantodo" Solo Setup).
It took quite a while and some more famous people to copy/promote my build (main credit to Thargor here again for spreading ). Still it took 4-5 weeks longer to be in the 4man meta (and also to be vastly recognized solo, too) only cus the so called famous people (like Quin e.g.) didn't know yet about the build.
If those guys post a build it will get upvotes automatically and be on frontpage.
I say just don't care about fame, just help to promote powerful builds so the community can make use of those
I can understand that bigdaddyden terribly wants to make it to the frontpage widget or what?
It's just terrible, popular guy comes, duplicates everything just when patch arrives at the "builder", and upvotes everything through an army of subscribers. Drahque techniques still live.GG
1. Once again another attack on me for posting content on my fav game of all time from angry_roleplayer , i post these builds for the community on dfans, twitch and youtube and ofc i re post the builds to the new builder to keep the wd community up to date.
2. "Spamming for front page" , i re-posted 4 builds for the updated dfans builder for 2.4.2 as suggested from dfans, hardly "spamming" its always a great honour to be featured but never expected, i post here for the WD community not "fame".
3. "popular guy" It has taken me over 3 years to achieve where i am today i quit my job to do this, and tbh im just a small streamer and youtuber compared to many trying to keep my dream job alive, but yes i do have a small following that support me, and im eternally grateful for it.
Ive read many posts over the years from your self Darksol you seem a intelligent guy, this hate bashing is beneath you , i get it you dont like me like countless others, i can deal with that but spamming hate towards me each patch cycle is getting a bit tedious now.
I dont normally post back on these kinds on threads but wanted to have my say.
anyways im off to crack gr94! wish me luck!
Since bigdaddyden had the chance to respond, I'll close this thread as all that's left now are personal issues that should not be resolved publicly but via PM between the involved parties. If anyone wants to make suggestions to the build system and the frontpage widget please do so constructively and without attacking others personally. Thanks.
http://www.diablofans.com/builds/81921-2-4-2-t13-speed-bountys-turbo-chicken
http://www.diablofans.com/builds/82183-2-4-2-t13-speed-bountys-turbo-chicken
http://www.diablofans.com/builds/82182-2-4-2-speed-gem-leveling-turbo-chicken-gr-edition
http://www.diablofans.com/builds/81923-2-4-2-speed-gem-leveling-turbo-chicken-gr-edition
http://www.diablofans.com/builds/82184-2-4-2-meta-solo-hell-tooth-garg-roe-gr-95
http://www.diablofans.com/builds/81765-2-4-2-hell-tooth-roe-gr95
http://www.diablofans.com/builds/81762-2-4-2-zuni-zerg-gr90
http://www.diablofans.com/builds/82185-2-4-2-zuni-zookeeper-roe-gr90
this is completely unfair.
I can understand that bigdaddyden terribly wants to make it to the frontpage widget or what?
It's just terrible, popular guy comes, duplicates everything just when patch arrives at the "builder", and upvotes everything through an army of subscribers. Drahque techniques still live.GG
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
from ther FAQ section:
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Q: When can I create builds for the upcoming patch X.Y?
A: In theory. you can create those builds now and update them once the patch goes live. However, note that the frontpage widget does not feature builds that have been created after a certain date (to avoid that we see the same build for several seasons, just being updated). This is the only drawback - if you don't care about the frontpage widget, you can just take your existing builds and update them with new items, text, and other information as often as you want and for as long as you want.
"
This is terribly unfair. A lot of people created builds and theorycrafted throughout all PTR cycle. And then the "big guy" comes and gets all the cream of the crop. Nice.
Bumping old builds is one thing, but duplicating your own existing builds for more attraction is another.
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
there's a WD haunt build using only 2pc jade that looks phenomenal. i upvoted it, but that's it. +2. it's pretty creative, and i hope it doesnt get buried as HT builds would certainly be upvoted.
i'm one of the few people that checks the new builds every day just to see, and i think a lot of the duping is silly. maybe if we could favorite or mark builds we like in some way, people wouldn't feel they need to make their own version? like, i'll remember the haunt build b/c of the way it was named, but not everyone is me, and not every build has a unique enough name. favorites would be the best, or at least tracking your own upvotes with links to those builds.
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ModeratorI get your point, but what is the alternative? If the widget takes "old builds" into account, then certain people will just update their 2000+ upvote builds indefinitely and forever remain #1 on the widget. At some point there has to be a cut. If we do not allow people to post similar builds twice (which is close to impossible anyways from a development point of view without messing up usability) then no one would point any PTR builds anymore altogether.
Every solution has drawbacks. No system is ever perfect. But on this one I'm not exactly sure what the takeaway from your criticism is. So because he did a lot of PTR testing and made those builds during PTR (when the system still had a different patch number), you're saying he has forfeit his right to re-create the builds now that 2.4.2 is live and get to the frontpage with those builds? Note that many many people create duplicates of builds - be it only for having two variants and not having to edit back and forth because you have two very similar (yet in playstyle different) builds.
Your criticism in #3 says that it's unfair if someone does a lot of PTR testing and then the big guys come and claim the fame. Well, but in this case it's his own fame. If he doesn't recreate the builds, someone else does. And you being a WD you know exactly that probably 99% of the WD builds in 2.4.2 are going to be very very similar (basically 2.4.1 builds with Wormwood+Haunt+RoE somehow incorporated).
On a more general rant: I think we all realized that whoever makes the frontpage widget is not the "inventor" of a build or the "first" to make it or the "best written" build... it's all about advertising. Welcome to the Internet in 2016 - I'd be happy to see Diablofans being different to the rest of the world but it's not. A troll thread on Reddit recently got 1000 upvotes, repetitive meta/"what should I play" threads are all over the place, and useful contributions usually hover around 50 upvotes and vanish quickly. Don't blame the system, blame the people. (Very very relevant to politics at the moment, btw.)
There should be some moderation to the builds section for sure. At least that's how i see it. Right now it's nothing but a mess.
If someone abuses the system replicating his own builds at a certain date.. well.. It's like a Diablo exploit on a Diablo forum. A "duping".
I expected the "Welcome to Internet where nothing is fair" of cause.
I've been thinking why Jmacc for example does nothing for months and then comes at the very start of the season, posts 12 "consolidated/stolen" builds and gets all the glory. Life is unfair, yes, i know. At least now i see how it works here. I was unfamilar with these nuances of the Diablofans system. Now i see how pointless it is to create builds mid-ptr. I would be smarter next time and sit at night with a dozen of builds to "submit"
http://www.angryroleplayer.com/
http://www.youtube.com/c/angryroleplayer
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105329-2-6-7-rend-bleed-whirlwind-gr130
https://www.diablofans.com/builds/105301-2-6-7-fist-of-the-heavens-aegis-of-valor-gr110
People do everything for fame.
I've tried to promote my Twister Archon build for S6 since 1 week into the season. Updated my build here almost every day (and once deleted my original build by mistake, damn that delete button right next to the edit button and browser updating... surpirisingly already got 30k views back then but still much less than the inferior so called "NEW Asian Vyr/Tal Chantodo" Solo Setup).
It took quite a while and some more famous people to copy/promote my build (main credit to Thargor here again for spreading
). Still it took 4-5 weeks longer to be in the 4man meta (and also to be vastly recognized solo, too) only cus the so called famous people (like Quin e.g.) didn't know yet about the build.
If those guys post a build it will get upvotes automatically and be on frontpage.
I say just don't care about fame, just help to promote powerful builds so the community can make use of those
2. "Spamming for front page" , i re-posted 4 builds for the updated dfans builder for 2.4.2 as suggested from dfans, hardly "spamming" its always a great honour to be featured but never expected, i post here for the WD community not "fame".
3. "popular guy" It has taken me over 3 years to achieve where i am today i quit my job to do this, and tbh im just a small streamer and youtuber compared to many trying to keep my dream job alive, but yes i do have a small following that support me, and im eternally grateful for it.
Ive read many posts over the years from your self Darksol you seem a intelligent guy, this hate bashing is beneath you , i get it you dont like me like countless others, i can deal with that but spamming hate towards me each patch cycle is getting a bit tedious now.
I dont normally post back on these kinds on threads but wanted to have my say.
anyways im off to crack gr94! wish me luck!
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What makes you more upset op:
1. People up voting their builds
2. Botters
3. T-Hudders
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ModeratorSince bigdaddyden had the chance to respond, I'll close this thread as all that's left now are personal issues that should not be resolved publicly but via PM between the involved parties. If anyone wants to make suggestions to the build system and the frontpage widget please do so constructively and without attacking others personally. Thanks.