I guess what I'm saying is that I don't like the one shot kill as the way to stop your progress. One shotting to stop you is not a matter of skill it becomes a matter of luck. Like alot of other people say the higher greater rifts are all about RNG and if your "lucky" enough to not get the jailor effect or to have a maps mob density be poor and so on and so fourth.
However I would much prefer it based on a skill perspective somehow. Honestly I don't know what the solution is, however the system that's currently in place, while it "works" to a point it's fundamentally flawed in my opinion. What's the point of having a pinnacle if no one can reach it. Like someone said earlier at GR 40+ you potentially have mobs that will kill you from off the screen. There in no skill in that it's all luck based.
OK... but One-shotting is NOT how they stop your progress. They stop your progress by making it timed. You could, I guarantee, change your items and build around to have 2x+ the survivability you have now.. easily.. no matter what your build is. Then you would NOT get one shot by things that one-shot you now. You get one-shot because the way to get the farthest is to have as much damage as you can squeeze in until you're JUST ABOUT getting one-shot. It would be less fun to do less damage, and it may not even be practical, because at some point, it doesn't matter that you don't get one-shot, because you won't kill stuff fast enough to not die from it anyway.
You get one-shot because you're trying to ride the line of "How much damage can I possibly do". Because of that, there is no possible way they can make you NOT on the verge of getting one-shot, because you'll just lower your survivability for more damage until you're right back at the edge.
In short, you can change your build to be FAR more defensive, and you will not get one-shot any more. You WILL run out of time, because you need to ride the edge to get as far as you are now, but that's a choice you're making. You are CHOOSING to be on the verge of being one-shot, you don't have to, you just won't get as far. That's the limit of where skill can take you - to where you die from bad luck because there's nothing left to improve. And that point has to exist.
Your absolutely right. I could certainly change my gear to be more defensive, absolutely a viable course of action. As you stated though going too defensive will lead you to the other way to stop your progress and that's the timer. So either way your still done. One way you die a lot and the next you don't but your stopped by not making the timer.
So I think the upper limit right now is GR 42? ish...I don't know for certain. Should we all just be happy at getting to that level? Is that the intent? is that considered the end game and now that your there we should feel like we have accomplished the goal?
I don't think any amount of gear that you can obtain in the game at this point would allow even the most skilled player beyond GR 42? Is that a fair statement? and lets say I'm off by a few GR levels, I personally still want to progress though some means on my character (I want to get more powerful) but again we have hit this imaginary wall that no one can climb because of the current way the mechanics are implemented in the game.
One way they sold greater rifts was a way to continually upgrade your character and get more powerful, but the way it has been implemented you will never get too GR 100, for the sake of putting a number out there, because there is no path offensive or defensive that will allow you to climb that high.
Again I'm still going to have fun playing this game, and all my posting isn't about my hating it or anything like that... I really really enjoy the game. I'm just trying to explain what I think is wrong with it.
I'm going to shoot for GR 40 this weekend using the unity trick. I just want to say that I could do it. I'll hope that Blizz changes the scaling of the damage in the future so progression is still possible without getting 1 shot every 30 seconds.
I don't get your logic. When you're not getting one-shot, do you die? If not, then they are GOING TO HAVE TO one-shot you in order to increase the difficulty. I find most people can survive most things on the difficulty they find to be "their limit". If there weren't things one-shotting them, that wouldn't be their limit...
In short, how else do you recommend that they kill you to stop your progress? Because that's what has to happen. If they just add more hps to slow things down so you run out of time, it is natural to adjust away from surviveability and add damage until A) You can pass the challenge, or B ) You start dying, which the point at which everyone tries to stay just shy of.
I guess what I'm saying is that I don't like the one shot kill as the way to stop your progress. One shotting to stop you is not a matter of skill it becomes a matter of luck. Like alot of other people say the higher greater rifts are all about RNG and if your "lucky" enough to not get the jailor effect or to have a maps mob density be poor and so on and so fourth.
However I would much prefer it based on a skill perspective somehow. Honestly I don't know what the solution is, however the system that's currently in place, while it "works" to a point it's fundamentally flawed in my opinion. What's the point of having a pinnacle if no one can reach it. Like someone said earlier at GR 40+ you potentially have mobs that will kill you from off the screen. There in no skill in that it's all luck based.
I'm going to shoot for GR 40 this weekend using the unity trick. I just want to say that I could do it. I'll hope that Blizz changes the scaling of the damage in the future so progression is still possible without getting 1 shot every 30 seconds.
I'm sorry but i stopped reading at "not using unity". If you want to get the maximum out of solo play you must use unity in my opinion. I really don't see how anyone could complain when they are not even fully utilizing what the game has to offer. It's like me not using bombardier's rucksack or something... It's just not viable, period.
I didn't stop reading at that point, but I definitely started skimming. If someone is opposed to using an intended and legitimate strategy like double-unity, then they're clearly not interested in competing on the leaderboards. You don't have to use exploits to be competitive, but you definitely do have to use every legitimate advantage you can get.
This "personal decision" is one of the things holding you back, OP. You will never have a chance of competing if you continue to hold yourself back. Good luck!
I get what you are saying. Just to let you know I'm not personally interested on competing on the leader boards, It personally does nothing for me. I would however like an avenue to keep progressing. I don't want EZ mode, I just want to know that I'm not banging my head against a wall. I'm also not saying there is no room for improvement in my gear or play style but I personally believe that I have obtained gear that should allow me too keep progressing. Maybe that's a misconception on my part...but why put a system in place that allows for progress but puts such a hard stop in that you can't get there. Again it's just frustrating. Maybe with a few tweaks to my gear and play style , adding the unity thing in, I could get to gr 40+ but where do you go from there?
I want to be able to play and feel like I'm continually making progress.
so boring and no skilled build, have it myself. dont feel like a DH anymore using my own bow.. more like put sentry, move, put sentry, move... do that 1 million times and repeat. gg"
I don't understand your point. The M6 build is all about sentries. So yes I completed Gr38 using the M6 sentry build. I'm using the tools provided by Blizzard. I'm unaware of another build to use at higher levels as a Demon Hunter.
It can certainly be tried and I'm willing to try it. But then which dps leg gem do you give up? The loss of dps with the removal of one will cause you to clear more slowly. You may live longer but if you can't beat the timer what's the point? I'm not certain it's viable...but I haven't tested it yet so I'm only speculating.
I'm sorry but i stopped reading at "not using unity". If you want to get the maximum out of solo play you must use unity in my opinion. I really don't see how anyone could complain when they are not even fully utilizing what the game has to offer. It's like me not using bombardier's rucksack or something... It's just not viable, period.
Hey man I totally understand your point. it's just a personal decision at this time. I intend to give the unity thing a try though just too see if it really makes that huge of a difference. Thanks for your comments.
I feel like I have hit the concrete wall now in greater rifts. They had been fun up until this point. I'll explain my situation.
I'm paragon 560 ish M6 Demon hunter. I would consider myself to have above average gear. I'm at work so I can't link my profile or give specific numbers but the fact that I'm even able to get to GR38 should give some presence of what my current gear is at. Also as a point of note I am doing this solo and I am NOT using Unity. I could but I have chosen not too at this time...I just don't agree with its function and it makes me feel like I'm cheating the game even though Blizz has said it's not cheating. I also want to say that I have the 3 legendary gems that are considered a requirement for a demon hunters and they are all at level 38.
My problem is at 37 the mobs are still manageable and I can complete the rift with just enough time to advance to GR38. However the difference between 37 and 38 is night and day. I'm not going to go into complaining too hard but simply I can survive the 1 shotters in 37 and in 38 there is NO surviving.
I have a fundamental problem with this. There is Zero fun getting 1 shot in a game. I play this game as much as I do because I have FUN doing it. I enjoy the challenge of the greater rifts alot. However getting 1 shot is not a challenge, it's absolutely the most frustrating, irritating, unfun, useless, time consuming, black eye, Eff you and btw HAHAHA moments of the game.
I want a challenge when I play the game but I don't want it to where I have no chance. There is no amount of gear at this point (aside maybe from Unity which I explained why i dont like it earlier) that will all of the sudden allow me to progress past 38 with any FUN frequency. Sure there I could get slightly better gear but it would be like getting the exact same gear but with 20 - 30 more dex on it. What I'm saying is not enough of a change to make a huge difference.
Annnnd I'm starting to ramble, so I'll get to the point. I like the greater rift system and the challenge it provides. 1 shotting is not a challenge. Its asinine and a waste of my/our time. The rewards are not great enough to be like ...ok I just died 18 times being 1 shotted and slogged through a half hour greater rift just to have all my gem upgrades fail and to get 3-4 legendaries I don't need.
Definitely keep the system but the challenge provided needs to be changed.
Find a different way to distribute damage.
Provide a reward to make this worth my time
Provide a system that allows me to advance. The concrete wall is NOT FUN
Either way I'm going to keep playing the game because I do have fun outside of greater rifts. However when i log on and think about doing a great rift my first thought should not be...."ohh man do I want to subject myself to this". It should be sweet can't wait to start this run to have fun and progress and more loot.
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So I think the upper limit right now is GR 42? ish...I don't know for certain. Should we all just be happy at getting to that level? Is that the intent? is that considered the end game and now that your there we should feel like we have accomplished the goal?
I don't think any amount of gear that you can obtain in the game at this point would allow even the most skilled player beyond GR 42? Is that a fair statement? and lets say I'm off by a few GR levels, I personally still want to progress though some means on my character (I want to get more powerful) but again we have hit this imaginary wall that no one can climb because of the current way the mechanics are implemented in the game.
One way they sold greater rifts was a way to continually upgrade your character and get more powerful, but the way it has been implemented you will never get too GR 100, for the sake of putting a number out there, because there is no path offensive or defensive that will allow you to climb that high.
Again I'm still going to have fun playing this game, and all my posting isn't about my hating it or anything like that... I really really enjoy the game. I'm just trying to explain what I think is wrong with it.
Thank you too all for posting your thoughts.
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However I would much prefer it based on a skill perspective somehow. Honestly I don't know what the solution is, however the system that's currently in place, while it "works" to a point it's fundamentally flawed in my opinion. What's the point of having a pinnacle if no one can reach it. Like someone said earlier at GR 40+ you potentially have mobs that will kill you from off the screen. There in no skill in that it's all luck based.
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I want to be able to play and feel like I'm continually making progress.
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"Did you manage 37 or was it your sentries?
so boring and no skilled build, have it myself. dont feel like a DH anymore using my own bow.. more like put sentry, move, put sentry, move... do that 1 million times and repeat. gg"
I don't understand your point. The M6 build is all about sentries. So yes I completed Gr38 using the M6 sentry build. I'm using the tools provided by Blizzard. I'm unaware of another build to use at higher levels as a Demon Hunter.
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I'm paragon 560 ish M6 Demon hunter. I would consider myself to have above average gear. I'm at work so I can't link my profile or give specific numbers but the fact that I'm even able to get to GR38 should give some presence of what my current gear is at. Also as a point of note I am doing this solo and I am NOT using Unity. I could but I have chosen not too at this time...I just don't agree with its function and it makes me feel like I'm cheating the game even though Blizz has said it's not cheating. I also want to say that I have the 3 legendary gems that are considered a requirement for a demon hunters and they are all at level 38.
My problem is at 37 the mobs are still manageable and I can complete the rift with just enough time to advance to GR38. However the difference between 37 and 38 is night and day. I'm not going to go into complaining too hard but simply I can survive the 1 shotters in 37 and in 38 there is NO surviving.
I have a fundamental problem with this. There is Zero fun getting 1 shot in a game. I play this game as much as I do because I have FUN doing it. I enjoy the challenge of the greater rifts alot. However getting 1 shot is not a challenge, it's absolutely the most frustrating, irritating, unfun, useless, time consuming, black eye, Eff you and btw HAHAHA moments of the game.
I want a challenge when I play the game but I don't want it to where I have no chance. There is no amount of gear at this point (aside maybe from Unity which I explained why i dont like it earlier) that will all of the sudden allow me to progress past 38 with any FUN frequency. Sure there I could get slightly better gear but it would be like getting the exact same gear but with 20 - 30 more dex on it. What I'm saying is not enough of a change to make a huge difference.
Annnnd I'm starting to ramble, so I'll get to the point. I like the greater rift system and the challenge it provides. 1 shotting is not a challenge. Its asinine and a waste of my/our time. The rewards are not great enough to be like ...ok I just died 18 times being 1 shotted and slogged through a half hour greater rift just to have all my gem upgrades fail and to get 3-4 legendaries I don't need.
Definitely keep the system but the challenge provided needs to be changed.
Find a different way to distribute damage.
Provide a reward to make this worth my time
Provide a system that allows me to advance. The concrete wall is NOT FUN
Either way I'm going to keep playing the game because I do have fun outside of greater rifts. However when i log on and think about doing a great rift my first thought should not be...."ohh man do I want to subject myself to this". It should be sweet can't wait to start this run to have fun and progress and more loot.
Thanks for reading.
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C'mon man!