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really? you're taunting me dude

Quiet, dinner!

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So I finally have an Iphone... I'm pretty impressed with what this thing can do. I hope Blizz puts out an app game

I was thinking about getting a prepaid iphone 4s through Virgin Mobile, but I think I'm just going to go with the Evo v 4g (aka Evo 3d). Both are good, and for $35 a month plus $5 insurance a month, you can't go wrong with either the iphone or the evo.

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Legend of Zelda songs:

Don't get me wrong, she is hot and very good at the fiddle/violin. That being said, I think the main reason people mistake Link for a female is because of all these females dressing up as Link. -.-

Yea, I love the series. I was talking to one of my employees about them and a donor (who happens to be a teacher apparently) came up and I recommended them to her, too.

They really are amazing videos, and he keeps producing more.

I'd also suggest Scishow and Crash Course on Youtube if you are interested in that kind of thing.

I also like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PT90dAA49Q"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PT90dAA49Q

and:


and especially this one, everybody should listen to:


That last one has a deep, slow beat to it, huh? <3

It's funny playing this in my pickup truck with the windows rolled down, as these punk kids blast their shitty rap.

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Link is used to fighting giant pig demons though, has he ever killed a cow?

I mean.... FOR SHAME GUYS! DERAILING PROLETARIA'S THREAD!

o.o

GODDAMN IT COWKING!!! BE ON TOPIC!!!

I told that bouvine back on page three to talk about how Proletaria is back and he just refused! Its now page eight and he still refuses. Oh woe am I!

>.> You don't have to actually go and check the pages. It's true. Scouts honor. *Holds up the two fingers for the scouts.* Scouts honor, I say!

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you'r gonna get us banned Zelda

...I hate you...

No you don't, you love me just like Zelda loves princess Link

At the risk of sounding like Stewie Griffin, you will rue the day! Rue, I say!

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And I checked, you didn't say anything on page 3 <_<

Daemaro! He's lying! I totally was talking on page three and was in no way on a vacation from Dfans!

And don't look into my history of the scouts or lack thereof, I swear I was in it, scouts honor!

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You can still follow the teachings of Christ even if you don't believe all of what is in the bible or take it all literally. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise Jaundice.

There are teachings of Christ, teachings of Buddha, teachings of Xenu, teachings of the Maiden, Mother, and Crone, teachings of Kami, etc that I follow. Not because these people are great people (They are all fictitious, so...), but rather because I agree with them.

Never, ever follow something if it does not make sense to you. If it is irrational then it isn't worth your time.

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Reminds me of Thomas Jeffersons' bible, in which he removed all reference to divinity. But, in all seriousness, I think there are some virtuous words to be read in the New Testament. Having said that, those same teachings can be found in many cultures and from many other sources. The "golden rule," (to use the most prolific example) was not invented by the Christian religion, nor the Jews. Cooperation and reciprocity are hard coded into our social-ape genetics.

I guess my point is, you can easily be a virtuous person without using Christ as an example.

What about Green Lantern? I like him!

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Quote from John Stewart aka Green Lantern »

[i]In brightest day, in blackest night,
No evil shall escape my sight;
Let those who worship evil's might,
Beware my power, Green Lantern's light![i]

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Granted, all the Green Lanterns are badasses and the human ones are at least worthy of being followed.

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What do you mean Americans didn't invent electricty? We learned in school Ben Franklin shit out the first lightning bolt right after Jesus flew down on a red, white, and blue eagle to deliver the Constitution to God's favorite country?

[i] - Some random guy in a youtube argument.[/i]

Probably one of the funniest things I have read in a while.

Don't forget the bald eagle named "Small Government" that perched atop the flag.

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Link is used to fighting giant pig demons though, has he ever killed a cow?

I mean.... FOR SHAME GUYS! DERAILING PROLETARIA'S THREAD!

o.o

GODDAMN IT COWKING!!! BE ON TOPIC!!!

I told that bouvine back on page three to talk about how Proletaria is back and he just refused! Its now page eight and he still refuses. Oh woe am I!

>.> You don't have to actually go and check the pages. It's true. Scouts honor. *Holds up the two fingers for the scouts.* Scouts honor, I say!

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you'r gonna get us banned Zelda

...I hate you...

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Well I wouldn't say nothing. Creationism is based on the belief that a Divine being created everything, thus eliminating Evolution as possible for the most hardcore Christians/Catholics whom will stand with their faith regardless. But there are also many Christians/Catholics, I believe, which do believe in Evolution rather than Creationism.

Evolution competes with one facet of religion. On that note, EVERYTHING can be viewed as competing with a facet of religion.

Hell, the Empire State Building competes with Christianity!

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Data that might prove God exist? Or data that is pro-Christianity?

Neither. Just new data. The data may point towards religion, or away, or it may have nothing to do with religion, new data is just new data and its always awesome to get new data.

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Jesus healing dying people of incurable diseases, turning stuff into wine and bread, being dead for 3 days and awakening after that (most of these are probably figurative meanings but still). I don't believe these kind of miracles because I can't comprehend it (like you said), since it doesn't happen in our world.

Jesus dying and coming back three days later to go to heaven is the basis of Christianity. How are you a Christian if you don't believing in that?

(Well, Jesus dying and Adam and Eve fucking shit up.)

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I could say something here, but I'd probably get in trouble.

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Back to the original point, teach both view points and let kids question and decide or them selves. They would at least have a chance to question something rather than be spoon fed one opinion.

Okay. Lets say we teach two points. One is, obviously, Science/Facts/Truth. Then we have religion. Which religion? The Jewish view that God hates everybody but the Jews? The Christian view that you are shit unless you accept Jesus? The Muslim view that everybody is fucking shit up and only Muhammed has it right? The Wiccan view in the Maiden, Mother, and Crone? The Hindu view that you are going to die and become a rat? The Scientologist view that money=salvation? (That's also the catholic view, but that's another story.)

How do you decide which view to teach beside Science/Facts/Truth?

I hear Christians throw this argument but whenever I suggest bringing in a High Priestess to perform a spell of blessings, they get all freaked out...

To summarize, keep faiths in their respective sections and not in my Physics/Biology/Chemistry/Health/Astronomy/History classes.

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if there was a man on your back, would you pull him off or leave him there?

Kinky.

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Our politics is shit, people are too immature with their opinions, people abuse their rights to hurt others, people are too stubborn to accept that some things are inevitable (such as the movement to clean energy) and will offer their bullshit arguments and leave it at that.

Our politics are shit because our population is ignorant as shit. Go out and ask anybody to name the second element in the Periodic table. They will stare at you like deer in headlights.

As for opinions, some refuse to express them and others express them too much.

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The only thing I can appreciate about this place anymore is the nature and whiskey distilleries.

Many like a Jack 'n' Coke, I like a Jack 'n' Pepsi.

I'm weird like that.

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But what is science really?

"Science (from Latinscientia, meaning "knowledge") is a systematic enterprise that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the universe.^[1] In an older and closely related meaning (found, for example, in Aristotle), "science" refers to the body of reliable knowledge itself, of the type that can be logically and rationally explained."

Notice the key words and phrases: Knowledge, Testable Explanations and Predictions, Logically and Rationally explained.

Before I make my final point I would like to also quote the definition of the word theory, as used in a scientific context:
"The United States National Academy of Sciences defines scientific theories as follows:

The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence. Many scientific theories are so well established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics)...One of the most useful properties of scientific theories is that they can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed."

That last part, I just included because I've seen a lot of people claim that "it's just a theory", when it comes to evolution.

If you've read what I've posted till now (congratulations, I'm sure it wasn't easy), I am pretty sure you can understand where I am getting to. I myself am a non-believer, but that is a matter of choice, one that I made in my teen years, probably out of my will to rebel against my (not at all hardcore) christian upbringing and that I've come to support through the years out of what I believe to be rationality and knowledge according to my definition of the two. However, I can understand some peoples' need for belief and I have no quarrel nor interest about it, it's a personal choice as afformentioned.
HOWEVER, when it comes to teaching in schools, it is MORE THAN NECESSARY, that we keep, non-science, out of science related classes, if for nothing else, just so we don't get ourselves back to the dark ages. One must not concider a "variety of choice" a good thing when it comes to teaching a good thing, else we might aswell start teaching that 2+2=3 and let the children decide on which of the two "theories" they want to believe.

Just my 2 hundred bucks (since cents they certainly are not) on the debate.



EDIT: I've seemed to have fucked up my post, by messing to much with the tools (silly me). Highlight the text to read it since I can't seem to find a way to fix it :P. If a good mod could help me I'd appreciate it

I like a lot of what you say. (I also tried to make it that white-yellow color that is the default of the site, but I think I failed... Haven't checked before posting though, so...if it worked then it was all part of the plan. Totally.)

I do disagree with the definition of Science though.

I tend to view Science in a manner that Carl Sagan Viewed it.

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“Science is more than a body of knowledge, it’s a way of thinking. A way of skeptically interrogating the universe with a fine understanding of human fallibility. If we are not able to ask skeptical questions, to interrogate those who tell us that something is true, to be skeptical of those in authority, then we’re up for grabs for the next charlatan, political or religious, who comes ambling along.”

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I am not one to bash anything unless it affects my fellow man's freedom and mine. I aren't many things, some of them being: believer, vegetarian, gay, German. As long as any of them don't mess with me and as I said my freedoms I have no problem with them whatsoever. Granted though, that out of all of them, religion is the one that causes problems a lot more often than the rest, but hey, so do the Germans... hihihi!!!

I will never understand a Christian Homosexual. Especially an African American Christian Homosexual.

It's like they hate themselves...

Granted, I was a bisexual and a Christian for a long time, so... >.>

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I've actually read quite a bit, about how your founding fathers were a LOT less into religion than they are made out to be. Something about Franklin, lighthouses and churches that I really can't seem to recollect at this late an hour

Lighthouses are more helpful then churches.
-Benjamin Franklin.

(Fuck Thomas Edison. Just had to say that.)

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no one referenced my three breasted woman, pfft all you guys are........................................gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

Fail Photoshop is Fail.

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America and Americans fucking suck in that regard.

Yeah, I'm pretty much done with this place. I have a lot of reasons why and they all weave together like a sad, sad quilt.

If you are talking about Dfans, I appologize? o.O

If you are talking about America, then yea, I understand.

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I thought you were Zelda

When I take over the universe, those that call Link "Zelda" will be the first to perish...

Success!

You may be the Cow King, and you may have many followers of varying strength, but remember, in every game, Link overcomes the super op boss!

yeah? you sure? well... I have a wand!! and I'm not afraid to use it... much... magic is dangerous $#!T

Yea? I'm Link, I got so many weapons they are coming out of my goddamned ears!

*Goes through his bags*

A-HA! Magical Rod! I have a Magical Wand, too! And I can deflect/absorb magic with Mirror Shield!

I am a wee bit op, arn't I? >.>

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Link is used to fighting giant pig demons though, has he ever killed a cow?

I mean.... FOR SHAME GUYS! DERAILING PROLETARIA'S THREAD!

Pigs, cows, they are all used for the same thing, food for us Hylians!

Once I defeat the cow king and Ganondorf, we will have BACONATORS! Nom nom nom nom!

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So Umpa, as you can see you came back just in time for more religious talk! Yaaaay.

Damnit guys this was supposed to be about Jesus doing awesome things like riding a harley over a pit of sharks with a bandolier, super ripped abs, an american flag bandana, some sunglasses, smoking a cigar and firing off two assault rifles into the air while an eagle soars majestically in the background, not serious talk about how laughable religion is.

Now see, I now have two choices. I can either tackle this reply in a serious tone, stating that it's laughable that people think this dark-skinned anti-governmental Middle Eastern Jew would be pro-America and even wear an American Flag Bandana...

Or I can tackle this reply in a silly tone and point out that it wasn't Jesus that jumped the pit of sharks, it was Penn Jillette, and that it's okay for the confusion because they both got long hair.

Decisions, decisions...

Then there's the last part, where I could tackle how laughable religion is by pointing out silly things in the Bible. Or I could tackle that by poking fun at other religions like Scientology for being so fucking funny...

Goddamn, so much good potential!

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I met a blind and mentally challenged boy and his mother on the bus a couple of days ago. He was 6 or 7 years old. We introduced ourselves to each other and he asked me questions like "what's my favourite music" (he tended to repeat the same question more than once). He couldn't see anything so the noises on the bus startled him, but his mother would explain what the noises were.

I gave him a few high fives after showing him where my hand was. It was an amazing experience to meet such a special child and I hope that he has a good life. Pretty much made my day. He was a very sweet kid and his mother was quite nice as well.

Thought I'd share. You may now continue with the religious discussion!

I work with handicapped people, and in my line of work, I can pretty much say that the kid most likely is going to have a shitty life, and many people will avoid him. People are cruel and heartless like that. Hell, many will try to take advantage of him because of his disabilities.

America and Americans fucking suck in that regard.

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LOL! Yeah I'm at that moment in life where I don't know what to believe anymore. And I blame the internet. With free speech anyone can write a convincing argument for the existence of God/a god or against it and people will believe the most recent one (not really, but through personal experience my mind has swayed to both ends of that argument.)

I've yet to hear a convincing argument for the existence of a divine being that did not hinge on simply denying empirical facts or accepting "on faith," the idea one simple does exist in spite of there being no need.

The fairy tale gods of every major religion can be easily dismissed by reason. A completely nebulous god-in-name-only, which presents almost none of the qualities traditionally ascribed to divine beings, is within the realm of possibility, but such a thing would mean religion is pointless.

If the internet facilitates a majority of the world's population coming to this realization then it may truly be the greatest invention of all time.

It may very well be possible that there may of been a "first cause" god (or goddess). We really don't have a tangible idea as to what caused the Big Bang or why the four fundamental forces split up. (With the discovery of the Higgs Boson, we may figure it out soon enough, though.) That being said, the idea of a personal god that loves you and wants to save you from a hell he created is laughable at best.

But, while I am still an Atheist and will be until proof surfaces proving otherwise, I do accept that the Deists at least have a claim.

And yet, I still agree that Theistic beliefs are laughable at best. >.>

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I thought you were Zelda

When I take over the universe, those that call Link "Zelda" will be the first to perish...

Success!

You may be the Cow King, and you may have many followers of varying strength, but remember, in every game, Link overcomes the super op boss!

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This is really, really late, but I'm glad you're okay Proletaria. I figured you either died or got banned or something. :/

Thanks! Better late than never, as they say. I was beginning to wonder if you were still around myself :).

I'm around. Not as active as I was. I go through bouts of "really active" and "fuck dis shit". Lol.

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If you thought he was banned all you had to do was ask! Jeebus.

True. >.>

Edit: And I have to point out that, while it is a common mistake to think of me as a god, I am actually not Jeebus, I'm Link. It's okay though, common mistake.

I thought you were Zelda

When I take over the universe, those that call Link "Zelda" will be the first to perish...

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Something ironic about the Jesus mention getting play in my thread. I like it.

Jeebus loves you, Proletaria! Haven't you realized that!