I was reading PC Powerplay Issue#155 the other day and it talked about how many Blizzard fans rejected Diablo II and told Blizzard to change them.
Personally, i believe that's crap; the guys at Blizzard are veterans and veterans only. The Lead designers are the best on the market, as are the graphics and artist guys. The guys might be new to Blizzard, but that doesn't matter. Blizzard was new to the game industry and came up with StarCraft and WarCraft without the need for fans to play a part in the design process.
Diablo III is clearly in a later infantile stage; whereas the ability to show off the game is active but its clear that Diablo III won't be released for at least another year so my opinion is that people should just wait. If theres something you like; Great. If theres something you don't you like, Don't worry they'll probably change it.
Blizzard are Professionals and i say we leave it to them. But thats just my opinion, other people may like to be involved.
I really think its stupid that people decide to check out other people's threads and then go with immaturity and low self-esteem and criticize everything other people say.
I will say it again because it clearly wasn't read. The Class names and abilities are not what i am pointing out. Roles and Uses are.
Barbarian was my favourite Diablo II character, so I'm happy. After that comes the Necro; but hes taking a step back for the time being, so Whatever Blizzard presents the world with i will be satisfied with.
First Things first, the point of this thread was to present the reasons why the original 7 (6 With Barbarian) would not return bar the Paladin; Or the Druid which i failed to add. New character ideas are not the contention of this thread; however the uses and applications are.
X, Y and Z are these unnamed characters.
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Just one small note, the Paladin of D2 was not a Paladin of the Hand of Zakarum. He was a Paladin for Westmarch. Although the Hand is absolutely destroyed due to the joint efforts of Mephisto and Diablo, Westmarch survived the entire ordeal of the return of the three with only a small conflict against Leoric in which Westmarch won without contest. So paladin like characters from Westmarch are still entirely plausible.
I have already said that Paladins have the possibility to make a return.
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there are many clans in the sorcerer/sorceress. diablo 1 had sorcerer which is mostly vijeri clan. and sorceress is from zann ezu. which yes was all girls. but if they had vizjerei it could be intergender
As i have already stated; my contention was to put light upon the reasons why the original 7 characters in their original forms would be unlikely to make returns; but going by the Diablo World lore it has been 20 years and a lot can happen in that time.
As to why the Barbarian didn't lost any Mana; Blizzard probably rigged the character so it could maintain the excessive ability usage. Plus, there doesn't appear to be a way to recover Mana quickly (like the health orbs) minus the players regeneration.
Interesting you should point that out; Remember however that it states in the biographies of both classes that they draw their magical power from different sources.
Making Diablo III like WoW in terms of magically power/rage and energy is crap IMHO. In Diablo III currently, the number of Barbarian skills that appear to have some form of magical energy involved would insinuate the magical power will remain the same, however different types of magical power.
"Upon further discussions with my hosts, I discovered that these tribes define themselves by their belief in the Mbwiru Eikura, which roughly translates to "The Unformed Land"sacred reality is veiled behind the physical one we normally experience. Their vitally important public ceremonies are centered upon sacrifices to the life force that flows from their gods, who inhabit the Unformed Land, into this lesser physical realm.
The witch doctors are finely attuned to this Unformed Land and are able to train their minds to perceive this reality through a combination of rituals and the use of selected roots and herbs found in the jungles. They call the state in which they interact with this other world the Ghost Trance."
(this is an imprecise translation, as this concept is completely foreign to our culture and language). This belief holds that the true,
Amazon and Sorceress are negative as both come form all-female groups and ipso facto all Diablo III characters have gender choices then both become obsolete.
Using conventional knowledge as to the 7 classes and their roles in Diablo II, i have compiled a small study of the possibilities for the 3 remaining unreleased class types.
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The 7 original Diablo II (with expansion classes) were:
Assassin - Dedicated only-Attack Support class Amazon - Close attack support/ranged fire support Barbarian - Dedicated front line attack support (Tank) Druid - Summon and Spam fire support Necromancer - Summon and Spam fire support Sorceress - Dedicated Magic Ranged support Paladin - Dedicated Front line support and Party support (Reserve Tank)
The currently released Classes for Diablo III are:
Barbarian: Once again, dedicated front line attack support Witch-doctor: Druid/Necromancer replacement, Summon and Spam fire support
With the 3 currently unreleased classes being identified as uniquely different, this would require that the 3 classes fulfill the roles of(x/y/z)
X: Party Support + Ranged/Close fire support (Reserve Tank) (Paladins, Conventional human warriors, rogues(males/females), One-element wizards, etc.)
Note: The return of the Paladin would be an easy move, as both sexes were allowed to join the Zukarum paladins. However, after the events of Diablo I and II, it seems unlikely that the Paladins would continue to exist; but seeing as the Barbarian is returning the Paladin may be a likely choice. 2 out of 5 old seems like a good move for Blizzard.)
Y: Dedicated Magic/Conventional Ranged support (Amazon, Rogues, Assassins, Sorceress/sorcerer, Wizard, Mage, Spell-sword, Missionary)
Note: The return of the Sorceress class would imply that males have been allowed to join the Viz Jeri mage clan that the original sorceress was from; seeing as the all-female clan was only observant to practice the elemental magics; hence making a return unlikely. The same rule applies to the Assassin.)
Z: Dedicated only-Attack support class (Ranged, Close or Magic)
Note:Once again, seeing as the Amazons were all-females there is a dilemma as to how to add them to the game.
Please note that these are rough estimations of what they could be; Blizzard has never ceased to be hush-hush about what they are thinking, and my assumptions could be way off chart.
It would be interesting in a sense that something like a Black Market Existed; a secret place where you can buy things like drugs that can help you in combat, but you cannot buy them in town, because they are illegal. Plus certain items that you find in the wilderness could not be sold to normal merchants, but the Black Market could move it along for you.
Runes go by level for dropping and at 63 you can get the Zod rune which makes the item it is socketed in Indestructable, which is a big bonus imho. Although runes can make items more powerful than uniques and sets, most rune items have 4 or more runes to find, plus the item with enough sockets to accomodate them, whereas Uniques are a single item. Sets and Rune-Word items are similar in this respect, which arguably makes them equal and thus uniques under both.
It would be interesting in a sense that something like a Black Market Existed; a secret place where you can buy things like drugs that can help you in combat, but you cannot buy them in town, because they are illegal. Plus certain items that you find in the wilderness could not be sold to normal merchants, but the Black Market could move it along for you.
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Personally, i believe that's crap; the guys at Blizzard are veterans and veterans only. The Lead designers are the best on the market, as are the graphics and artist guys. The guys might be new to Blizzard, but that doesn't matter. Blizzard was new to the game industry and came up with StarCraft and WarCraft without the need for fans to play a part in the design process.
Diablo III is clearly in a later infantile stage; whereas the ability to show off the game is active but its clear that Diablo III won't be released for at least another year so my opinion is that people should just wait. If theres something you like; Great. If theres something you don't you like, Don't worry they'll probably change it.
Blizzard are Professionals and i say we leave it to them. But thats just my opinion, other people may like to be involved.
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I will say it again because it clearly wasn't read. The Class names and abilities are not what i am pointing out. Roles and Uses are.
Barbarian was my favourite Diablo II character, so I'm happy. After that comes the Necro; but hes taking a step back for the time being, so Whatever Blizzard presents the world with i will be satisfied with.
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The Barbarian was an awesome character; who doesn't love to smash everything in your path?
Life is so simple with a couple axes.
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X, Y and Z are these unnamed characters.
I have already said that Paladins have the possibility to make a return.
As i have already stated; my contention was to put light upon the reasons why the original 7 characters in their original forms would be unlikely to make returns; but going by the Diablo World lore it has been 20 years and a lot can happen in that time.
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Making Diablo III like WoW in terms of magically power/rage and energy is crap IMHO. In Diablo III currently, the number of Barbarian skills that appear to have some form of magical energy involved would insinuate the magical power will remain the same, however different types of magical power.
"Upon further discussions with my hosts, I discovered that these tribes define themselves by their belief in the Mbwiru Eikura, which roughly translates to "The Unformed Land"sacred reality is veiled behind the physical one we normally experience. Their vitally important public ceremonies are centered upon sacrifices to the life force that flows from their gods, who inhabit the Unformed Land, into this lesser physical realm.
The witch doctors are finely attuned to this Unformed Land and are able to train their minds to perceive this reality through a combination of rituals and the use of selected roots and herbs found in the jungles. They call the state in which they interact with this other world the Ghost Trance."
(this is an imprecise translation, as this concept is completely foreign to our culture and language). This belief holds that the true,
from http://www.blizzard.com/diablo3/characters/witchdoctor.xml
The Barbarian Abilities 'Hammer of the Ancients' and 'Seismic Slam' appear to be drawn from magical power rather than physical prowess.
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(Refer to my Thread for more on this)
http://www.diablofans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13989
Paladin however remains open.
remember that you are one of many, and Blizzard Entertainment will not feel that same as you.
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The 7 original Diablo II (with expansion classes) were:
Assassin - Dedicated only-Attack Support class
Amazon - Close attack support/ranged fire support
Barbarian - Dedicated front line attack support (Tank)
Druid - Summon and Spam fire support
Necromancer - Summon and Spam fire support
Sorceress - Dedicated Magic Ranged support
Paladin - Dedicated Front line support and Party support (Reserve Tank)
The currently released Classes for Diablo III are:
Barbarian: Once again, dedicated front line attack support
Witch-doctor: Druid/Necromancer replacement, Summon and Spam fire support
With the 3 currently unreleased classes being identified as uniquely different, this would require that the 3 classes fulfill the roles of(x/y/z)
X: Party Support + Ranged/Close fire support (Reserve Tank) (Paladins, Conventional human warriors, rogues(males/females), One-element wizards, etc.)
Note: The return of the Paladin would be an easy move, as both sexes were allowed to join the Zukarum paladins. However, after the events of Diablo I and II, it seems unlikely that the Paladins would continue to exist; but seeing as the Barbarian is returning the Paladin may be a likely choice. 2 out of 5 old seems like a good move for Blizzard.)
Y: Dedicated Magic/Conventional Ranged support (Amazon, Rogues, Assassins, Sorceress/sorcerer, Wizard, Mage, Spell-sword, Missionary)
Note: The return of the Sorceress class would imply that males have been allowed to join the Viz Jeri mage clan that the original sorceress was from; seeing as the all-female clan was only observant to practice the elemental magics; hence making a return unlikely. The same rule applies to the Assassin.)
Z: Dedicated only-Attack support class (Ranged, Close or Magic)
Note: Once again, seeing as the Amazons were all-females there is a dilemma as to how to add them to the game.
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Please note that these are rough estimations of what they could be; Blizzard has never ceased to be hush-hush about what they are thinking, and my assumptions could be way off chart.
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Only pricks sell things for 6-7 times there price.
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May BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT live forever!
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He is a Diablo 2 Story dev, so he'll probably talk about this new patch.
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So there are calculating malicious demons like Tom Cruise.
And there are unorganised rabble demons like Indian Telemarketers.
lol...
I get you man. thats all the heirachy with demons, who can kill the most and has the most power!?!?!?
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