DiabloFans

Just google the police report on him sometime. It documents in detail up to like....eight victims I think and the things he did. What's interesting about it though is the way all his victims describe in similar fashion the way Sandusky would set them up for the abuse. And I think that's what's going to convict him so hard. His pattern was consistently described by all the victims who had little to no contact with each other.

Quote from proletaria

I'd wager he's reading the Michal Jackson playbook. Deny til you die, demonize any and all witnesses, and stir up as much doubt as humanly possible. Even with the mountain of claims against him, he's still got cards in his hand. He will be convicted and will most certainly go to jail, but the sentence he gets is anyone's guess.

I can assure you he'll get at least a least one if not more consecutive life sentences. There is overwhelming testimony against him from all his victims and the police reports are quite thorough in the documentation of his years of abuse. There is also an institutional quality to his crime which further sensationalizes this case and judge will come down on him pretty hard.

Quote from Irrational

However, I feel very bad for Sandusky. Like I said before, his sexual fantasy was the power of the younger age. He probably felt very ashamed of this himself, but he couldn't control himself, as sexual desire is one of the most powerful feelings a human can feel. He isn't a raging lunatic. Much like foot fetishism or other strange fetishes, these are feelings that he can't control.

I'm not agreeing with what he did. I'm just trying to see it from his point of view.

I think at the very least you're underestimating one's ability to control themselves. To do what he did, required lots of thought along the way, and in each step he could've stopped what he was doing and he knew he should have stopped because he knows its wrong (if not by society's standards then even by his). I don't think he went on doing it because he couldn't stop himself. He just went on doing it because it felt really good and it became like his drug-the power and the lust.

I think one the biggest parts wrong with his brain was the idea that he could ultimately get away with it. And I think he did think that and didn't just keep going out of a compulsion, but because he started thinking there wouldn't be any consequences after all.

Quote from Irrational

Morals? Legally, if you're under 18, you can't have sex at all. Girls who are 15, 16, or 17 mess around with 20+ guys all the time. Humans like to fuck, it's in their genes. Most men who have an obsession with pre-adoloscent boys usually control their urge, but this time, and in many situations, the man went for it.

Sorry for the graphic details here, but imagine if you were a man who was into what Sandusky is into. Imagine how being in the locker room would drive this guy insane. Imagine all these little things that eventually make him finally act on his sexual urge. It sucks, but it's reality.

Obviously statutory rape laws aren't perfect cause of course it can be ridiculous if an 18 year old goes to jail for having sex with a 16 year old. The problem is that government needs to make laws like this for common sense purposes and to protect people. But it's hard to make these laws cause many people around those ages are developing at different rates so they just kind of take a shot in the dark and say that 18 is the legal age of adulthood.

Quote from sicness

Just because something is not the 'norm' in our current times while it was in previous times doesn't make it a valid act. Slavery was the norm no shorter than 100 years ago yet now it's not. Times change and people become intellectually smarter to realize the real situation of things and how young people can be easily taken advantage of by older people and hence why these laws exist.

Mm hm. I personally think it's okay to say what Sandusky did was simply wrong in every sense of the word. Not just that he had an incompatible sexual preference with the rest of society. I think to see it that way just feels too nihilistic. At some point, in order to build a consensus of laws and morality we need to make judgment calls about people's behavior. It hasn't always been right, such as when blacks were viewed as sub-human and that was the common logic. But the same mode of questioning people's behavior is what allowed society to move forward. Even defining moving forward by some is too subjective but I would argue that its indicated when there is less conflict and more cooperation. That is if you mean to be a society at least. If you want to be an individual anarchist you can certainly try I suppose. But you're going to bump up against those that do live in a society.

And if I may go off topic here and make a broader point about society and government and laws, it really bothers me when people think they should be totally free under their government or shouldn't have to pay taxes into the system, but it's that same system that even allows them the rights and safety to live the way they do. When someone gets really rich in the U.S. and feels they are taxed unfairly and that the government interferes with them, well it's that same government that created the structure and environment that even enabled them to become so rich.

Sorry if that's off topic, but maybe its relevant to this conversation because individual values are one thing, but if they are too incompatible to the rest of society, then you can't be a part of society. If Sandusky really just can't help it because he loves raping underage boys so much, well he can't have it all. If he went and bought an island somewhere and created his own society with its own values and laws, then maybe you could make that argument more. But the truth is, he lives in THIS society. And people want to enjoy all the benefits of THIS society but only have to pick and choose how they pay for it.

Is the system perfect? Should we not strive for reforming things that are seemingly wrong with society? Sure, of course. But it's a gradual process. And obviously Sandusky isn't some reformer who is saying, hey, that's just my sexual preference. Cause he's just denied everything. But he's a part of the society we all live in and this society at least does not approve of his behavior.

I don't pity him either because he acted completely of his own accord. If I thought he was insane and truly couldn't control his actions, then I could maybe pity his defective brain. But it's like Irrational said, he's just a normal guy. Normal though, in the sense that his brain is functioning just fine. And he willingly chose to do something he knew was wrong. He never thought it was not wrong.

For example, a person who I used to look up to a lot, Arthur C. Clarke, was later accused in life of molesting boys. He claimed they had all matured physically by the time he did things with them and he didn't see what the Western culture's fuss over man-boy love was all about. He said it was a Western attitude to be so neurotic about having sex with younger men. He claimed since they had matured physically, he couldn't see what difference their age had to make. So this guy's reaction to the accusations are obviously a lot different than Sandusky's. Clarke was admitting to what he did and insisting he felt there was nothing wrong with it under his circumstances. And he even lived within the Eastern culture in Sri Lanka were maybe that sort of this is less a taboo than it is in Western culture. I personally don't think it should be acceptable in any culture and even though a boy matures physically, he can easily have the mind of a 10 year old even at 12-18 years of age.

So the argument one would have with Clarke is why it is wrong. The argument one would have with Sandusky is whether or not he even did it. And Sandusky would say it's wrong to molest or sodomize children and that's why he'd never do that.

I've never had more than 800k gold in this game.

I get kind of annoyed being in parties with people who don nothing but their GF gear while maybe you just wear some of yours and everyone's gotta work harder and longer to complete Butcher runs cause they all got their shitty GF gear on.

Hmm, well I've never had any problems with D3 technically. My computer maxes the game out easily. Yet it still just feels like it's in slow motion. I'm not explaining it good, I know. Maybe it's the way the 3D environment feels in comparison to D2's.

Quote from phoulmouth

PoE looks absolutely terrible. And I am not saying that because I am a D3 fanboy or anything. I personally plan on spending more time in TL2 than D3 when it comes out. But just watching the trailer and some other videos I have found the games graphics just look like total trash and the game play I have seen looks ridiculously slow.

As a person who would argue that even D2's graphics look good by today's standards, I think PoE graphics look great. And when people say things like gameplay being slow, I still find that too vague a comment. I think what a lot of D3 fans don't like about PoE is the lack of immediate satisfaction you get from sooner access to bright colorful skills that light things up, explodes them, etc.

That's how PoE is more like D2. You start off with very little and it actually feels like you do. Unlike D3 where you have a lot more to work with in the beginning and your resources are seemingly bountiful.

What does nuke mean here? I'm so sick of game acronyms and terminology.

PoE just feels a bit more raw. Some of that is intentional I think and some of it isn't. I like that aspect of it, but I think where it's unintentional is with some of the choppy gameplay and animations which I think are all issues that can be worked out.

Well, still though. We are comparing a small time company's (compared to Blizzard anyway) beta to a finished Blizzard title. The fact that PoE has generated this much interest up to this point I think entitles it to much more gameplay to see how it might improve. Well from me anyway, I'll keep giving it a try.

Thanks again Maka, for the beta key!

(LOL)

Quote from shaggy

I can't seriously play PoE unless they somehow make combat less.... slow. It's like playing D3 in slow-mo. I'll probably goof around with it, but the way combat currently is, it's just a game-breaker for me. If they could fix that up, I'd give it a decent whirl.

That's weird you say that cause I complained to a friend once about D3 how it felt like my character was running around in slow motion and the whole game felt like it had some slow time effect on it.

Yeah it will be satisfying once he's sentenced to jail. And it's like 99 percent they'll successfully convict him on all counts. But I also won't be happy until some of those people who covered it up are convicted for some kind of criminal negligence. It's not enough if they are fired.

As I've stated before, I don't think one is really better than the other. I think they both have their strengths and weaknesses. Strangely, PoE feels a lot more like D2 than D3 feels like D2. But PoE definitely needs some refinement and overall polish. The two games complement each other quite well. I look forward to getting into PoE more actually once it's finished with its beta and they improve the social aspects of it. Basic attack FTW!

You raise an interesting point. I mean, whether he's a regular guy or not, that's difficult to ascertain because then we delve into semantics and societal norms and what he consider to be good and bad. Usually in cases like this though, the perps aren't just driven by lust, but also by power. And it is also very arguable whether prepubescent boys or girls have a full understanding of sex to be able to consent to it. I'd say they don't. I think you'd probably agree they don't either, so at what point must we say, well that's just his sexual preference and at what point is he a predator who gets off on manipulation and overpowering someone.

Obviously there are certain sexual preferences that really can't be accommodated by society, and that's largely ones where the participants aren't in total consent with each other. I would argue that a prepubescent boy cannot possibly consent to the fullest because they either do not fully understand, or they are too vulnerable not to be coerced into it.

I mean, yeah it's a sad story for the victims. But otherwise I just get pissed off at the audacity of this man to go on denying it. It's an affront to all his victims that he's basically calling them all liars. And if it was just one person he called a liar, then that deserves a further look into it, but that he could actually state that all of them are liars....it blows me away. I also get angry at the coverup. How these top level administrators didn't call the cops immediately and at some point basically enabled Sandusky the environment to groom his victims.

Yeah, well, I know he's not really crazy unless you think conduct disorder makes you so. I just can't imagine what's going in in his brain cause I do think he's struggling with some sort of cognitive dissonance over the whole thing. If you watch interviews with him about it you can just see the strain on his face as he denies it.

Pfft!

Man I was gonna come home tonight and install my OS on this thing and it was gonna be sweeeeet. Now I gotta wait till Monday! Total drag! Do they let you pick it up from their store? If I had known they didn't deliver on Saturday I would've picked it up on my way to work today.