They should release SC2 in Feb of 2010, and around November 2010 Diablo III.
Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 communities are very different. Blizzard cares allot about $$$$$$$$ as they want to market the fuck out of both games. But to be honest I don't really care about SC2!
I don't really get all these classes in diablo 3, in diablo 1 you knew what you were getting, thats why it was good, warrior was a sword fighter, soccerer magic, and rouge bows and arrows.
These classes are a little all over all the place, I hope in the expansions they return some of the old classes, the necromancer for sure, the witch doctor is not even close of a replacement for that charectar, and maybe make the necro mancer be able to turn into a animal, similiar to the druid, call him a dark mage or something. Would be good if they made a class called Elementalist, which would add that gap that we currently have, and give him the ability go create water, fire, or earth golems like in warcraft 3, or even turn into one for a short period of time! and ofcourse, bring back the warrior or paladin, the barberian is not "that" type of class. I like the old sword shield, and holyness concept.
Anyway, 2011.. man there will be other games out, I hope they dont make it take that long..
Will there be a Diablo 3 Playable multiplayer demo which we can download and try out? I know they have a Diablo 3 Demo already, but its not available for public download! Why hasn’t it been released to the public?? and if there are plans to release it then when is it expected? I
Attacking grammar isn't petty when the person using advanced vocabulary to make themselves seem more intelligent is using it wrong. Statements are not incurred. Expenses, damage, etc are.
A petty attack would be calling someone out for saying your instead of you're.
Noooooooo...
You're playing a predefined character, so you shouldn't be able to change the way he looks. It's like you want Gordon Freeman to be blond or Mario to be dressed in pink.
You can't change his height or weight, or it would make clicking on him more difficult.
Also, in Diablo you're sure you can identify a class in a blink because each character of a class looks similar, and have different animations and stances than other classes. While in other games you have to type /whois to guess his class.
And after playing like three hours, you'll find a helmet, and be wearing a helmet for the rest of your Diablo III experience. Being able to select our hair, face... is just completely useless. You don't even see it when you zoom out.
Why not allow people to have more control in the input? keep single player that way and allow multiplayer with that option?. I for one don't want to see 8 identical barbarians, and adding a helmet and armour for the long duration of the game sounds like a excuse to not add a option, or a way to turn a blind eye to the comment at hand.
I don't really agree or disagree with your ideas, but I just have to point out the fact that Super Mario, Tetris and Minesweeper are some of the most successful games ever.
if youd like to play tetris in 2011 by all means go right ahead.
Any other circumstance (requirements, gfx options, spam, balance multipliers, difficulty levels, loot etc) canbe fixed, some of them require more effort, but there is always a workaround.
The only thing that can not be fixed ist lag, net code can only be optimized so far.
But other games, even FPS games, where ping is way more vital, support 8 players (and often more), mostly without problems.
There is no reason not to offer it at least.
When creating a game you should be able to set:
Number of max players up to 8,
Hostility on/off.
That’s it. OPTION.
Totally Agree. Everyone who has a problem with the option should go jump of a cliff. Stop defending such a simple thing as giving people a choice. I don’t know what type of generation gamers alot of you are, but Ive been playing the original Diablo series since it was out. I believe allot of you cant second that! I love this series and I love to have options in this game. Options to play it the way i want to with the amount of players id like to. Options don’t hurt anyone, and if your so hard headed to see that then, I do truly feel sorry for you. Stop flaming the concept of "free will!".
This statement is nonsense. Balance is KEY. That was why D2 pvp was so satisfying, minus enigma and guided arrow zones prior to 1.10.
Balance is good to a extent. Your statement is nonsense, probably incurred from a lack of gaming experience. Play several games then come back and make a comment. Overbalancing hurts everyone. A great example is the nerfed barb diablo 2 whirlwind skill. You spend ages working to get it good and they cut it in half as far as damage goes. Total bs.
Finally if blizzard is reading this, i have one key word of the day, OPTIONS, options, options, options options, give people options.
It must be shocking for a person who can't grasp the concept behind the word 'balance'. Let eight people spam all of their spells at the boss at the same time and it must make for a very 'tactical' experience. Also in D2 if you wanted to do a full 8p game you could wait for hours without having enough people join. If you get 5-6 people you're lucky. The other 5-6 people might not have enough patience for the 8th guy to join. D3 is not about waiting forever to start doing things - its about joining a game and doing things immediately. And I don't remember a single thing that REQUIRED more than 2-3 people in D2 to be done successfully. Now when you make a game and play solo, you are only 3 people away from a full game versus being 7 people away from a full game - meaning that you are rewarded for a 1/4 instead of 1/8 of the drop chance. __________________
Simply put I dont know anyone who will buy the game to play it online with 4 people. If your refering to balancing, look at guildwars, you can have massive PVP battles with alot larger groups than 4 people. Not to mention its highly diverse in the range of skills. Now I'm not saying that we should make guildwars the benchmark for Diablo III by all means NO! All I'm saying is that you can have equal balance with a larger group of players. The drop system doesn’t come into question! Nor does the fact that you can complete it with a grouop of 2 players or less. The only thing that comes to question is whether there is too much efx on the screen, so much so that you can't make out whats going on. I think at the very least allow the option! let the fans be the judge of it. You can jump on my back about balancing and what not but when the time comes and you have the option of 4 and 8 players, which will you choose?
In other words, you think D3 should be an unfair game for a purpos
The key word "option". Why do people have such a problem with it. If you give the option for the sever then I don't see how any of this comes into effect. You simply avoid PK servers, thats all, or filter it away on your search!
Because, incidentally, all characters DO have the same objective. Straying from that means straying from the lore. I play a WD and someone joins his Barbarian, the guy who killed Diablo 20 years ago, and WTF? He is trying to kill me?
Historical relevance has nothing to do with game options.
We still don't know. They were considering 4, but they said in an interview with IGN they're considering 8.
Yeah I don't think they will add that feature. They have randomized dungeons, that’s about as far as they will go.
personally I'm happy with that, I don't care for a map creator! I understand the potential as far as modability, I used to play Warcraft 3 online, some of the custom maps were awesome! but this is not the type of game for it.
as for number 1, NO. I don't want some fucking 10 year olds running around and screwing up my game. developers are supposed to try to stop this kind of things, not encourage it.
Thats why there should be a option to have a game PK or not PK. You simply choose to join the servers with the option disabled.
as for number 2, again NO. we are all in this against Diablo
Are we? very presumptuous off you to think so.
A really old game by Westwood studios Blade Runner gave the player the option to choose the ending through the way he played the game. He could be the good or bad guy, and hence influence the outcome.
Giving people the option to seek certain light or dark powers depending on their meter rank of good or evil is a great idea, i don’t see anything wrong with it.
as for number 4, I don't mind it. but it is not necessary. the gear would be enough for you to see a clear difference between two WDs or whoever.
I want to play as me, or at least the closest to me as I can create ingame, a chinese Wizard is far from it.
5. HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS? you want an unbalanced game? so that everybody will get the same class and the ones who don't will be called noobs by so-called experts on diablo 3? this idea is just flawed. and are you saying that starcraft 2 should be balanced just because of it's overseas fame?
A perfectly balanced game sucks. There should be a certain amount of it, but after a certain threshold it becomes lame! This is not Starcraft, such insane balancing precision is not required. This is not a Korean game. Look at any perfectly balanced game and play it for 12 months, see how you feel. I don't play guildwars anymore because of this. Especially now that introduced the Title system, its a waste of time better spend in other things. I'm not buying GW 2 because of this aswell. I wont be able to reep the awards that other players get for playing a computer game fanatically, hence its lost my interest already.
dude, you seem to be a huge fan of Arcanum which is cool. but if you like it that much, go play it and not d3. they are different games and should have different features.
I'm a huge fan of good features and great play. I don't see how a 4 player bnet game with 5 playable classes is a improvement from the old game. Graphics and story are not implied here. A 4 player online game is not worth buying. Everyone will hamachi it! And you can't possibly imply that a good feature is something to be disregarded, regardless of the game. If anything Diablo needs all the features and options given to it! Otherwise People will just hate this, by the sounds of it so far.. thats where its heading.
Re: Ideas inc PK system and PVE
you've made another thread with similar ideas and I can honestly say I don't like either of them. I just don't know where to start.
as for number 1, NO. I don't want some fucking 10 year olds running around and screwing up my game. developers are supposed to try to stop this kind of things, not encourage it.
as for number 2, again NO. we are all in this against Diablo and the rest of the gang. now you want to put an option for us to ally with him? that's so contradictory.
number 3 I just don't like somehow.
as for number 4, I don't mind it. but it is not necessary. the gear would be enough for you to see a clear difference between two WDs or whoever.
5. HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS? you want an unbalanced game? so that everybody will get the same class and the ones who don't will be called noobs by so-called experts on diablo 3? this idea is just flawed. and are you saying that starcraft 2 should be balanced just because of it's overseas fame?
6. I played WoW and never liked it there, because it was yet another feature to grind for but in here it might be good if it's implemented in the right way.
dude, you seem to be a huge fan of Arcanum which is cool. but if you like it that much, go play it and not d3. they are different games and should have different features.
and one other thing, just because you played more games that most of us here doesn't make you any smarter. no offence. it's just that I've heard a lot of people say things like that and mostly are wrong. the world is for the young
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Firstly, the key word of the day is options. Allow players the option. I have played too many game but for some exceptions where players were forced to play the game the way the designers intended the game to go. From personal experience, having been the leader of the best guilds in the world, in several games over the span of my gaming career, I begin to notice the importance in the positive psychological associations people have with their perception of events. The reason games are so damn repetitive is because the game is designed to be played out th way the designer has intended. Hence you have games like super mariao, tetris, mine sweeper, that are repetitive. They don’t give enough options, people play it and never touch it again. We have to look at the types of people playing the game as well, a tetris like game would be very appealing to someone with a desire of logical conquest, but it would suck for someone who is looking for a adventure. There is a perception that Diablo is a game of killing creatures, that it has been designed around the notion that "if your not killing every 5 seconds then your not playing Diablo". What uneducated people need to understand is that that may be the case for certain individuals, but others may see it as something totally different and attach relevant values to it.
Complex isn’t it? the mind is a wonderful thing.
A game should be designed so that it allows all types of players from all types of gaming careers to be able to enjoy that one game together. That’s the challenge modern games hold. The designers of the game should cater for their players as they are not just players but also their clients who give the company its earnings.
How can you accomplish all of this in Diablo? well the best way is to give people options. Most Diablo players and clients to the product are returning players from the previous games. Cater and care for them, give them the options of the prior game to allow them to enjoy the franchise more, so much so they pay from their hard earned money, rather then getting a illegal or stolen copy which they will play over hamachi.
Having said the above here are some ideas which I think would improve the overal gaming experience for myself as well as for others. I have been playing diablo for a very long long long time, and to this day its my favourite game. Diablo 2 somewhat started to loose its flavour, and here are a few things that can improve it.
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As players venture into the game they obtain quests, certain members or member of the party should be given a counter quest with a higher reward in order to sabotage the main quest. Ie Tempted by evil. Maybe assassinate a random party member, or lead someone away from the group and let them die.
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A good and evil meter should be given. Why would 5 hero’s be venturing out to do the same goal, from my understanding of what a witch doctor is, i can tell you that they are far more evil then good. I think their agenda should be to get ultimate power not kill off evil. Either way a good to evil meter should be given, depending on the quests the player decides to take. Also certain NPC's should respond to this rank, and allow a alterrior game play from the standard, kill Diablo approach. Maybe save Diablo? People need the options to choose their destiny’s.
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Arcanum had a really great feature, among many great features, to choose right from the get go your players history. And this would effect you from when you enter the game. So if you were to be raised by dwarves you’d have +5 strength but because dwarves are stupid you have -5 energy. This is stationary and cannot be changed through the game. It gives the player more of association and background with the person he is playing.
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Diablo is a very old title, features such as gender, colour, and looks/build height/weight should be included as things you are able to change. I know you guys added a male female class, cool great but, that’s not what i said, i said colour, looks/build height/weight as well.
for single player you can have it so they play your original classes the way you intended them to, but for multiplayer its great to not have everyone looking the same. I don’t see why this feature cant be included into Diablo 3. There is no good counter argument for this. I want to play a black wizard similar to the Diablo 1 sorcerer, not some Chinese looking dude with dreadlocks. No racial slur intended!
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Don't make the game incredibly balanced. After looking at some of your skill trees for the Wizard i became anxious. A perfectly well balanced game is Guild wars, and despite having some great features, the fact that its so well balanced is actually a let down. Too well balanced is bad. You can quote me on that all you like. A fair balanced game should be Starcraft 2, and Warcraft, but they are very different titles with a different market.
Starcraft 2 is mainly played by Koreans and it has a responsibility to be the most well balanced game because of its overseas fame. So much so that there is a game Olympics around this title, and even a TV show.
Diablo 2 is not Starcraft nor is it Warcraft.
By the way, Blizzard is doing a great job on warcraft. Im not a fan of WOW but your actual strategy based warcrat is great! I played warcraft 1 when i was just 10 years old. And i have to say great work.
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Another really great addition shown in Arcanum is the book of knowledge. Don't quote me on this its been a while but its basically a giant book which combines herbalist, magic, electricity, mechanism in one, and levels per section per page. I strongly advize anyone in Blizzard to try out this game, it has some cool things worth mentioning.
Basically items you pick up such as leaves, branches, the smallest things, mixed with something else can create a elixir, or a buff potion. This also works with scraps of ore and metal, if you combine them and you know what your building you can create a sword, or a axe or even a neat little electrical spider.
How would ruining someone else's gaming and questing experience be fulfilling? And please give me one good (and hopefully logical) reason as to why Blizzard should reward delinquant behavior in their masterpiece of a game. Why would they choose to let people (maybe like you) run rampant and terrorize normal folks out of a good gaming experience when they created a plathora of Monsters to fill just that role?
Why should everyone have the same objective as to defeat evil? why? Being able to Pk gives the game a huge diversity, and allows more freedom for the individual who plays the role of his class. Why should players be confined to boundaries set by the game designer? all the great games allow players the freedom to play the game as they wish in their style. Why should we all be the good guy? And strive for the same goals?
If you give the server options then players can simply choose not to enter servers that have PK enabled. There problem solved everyone’s happy! No dramas no mess! It allows two distinctly different players to play the one game, allowing more of a market for the Diablo franchise. From a business standpoint its not hurting anyone, nor is it from a client standpoint or a developers standpoint either. Having options is the key, lack of them makes for repetitive game play.
I heard that they were considering making it 5. Personally they should make it 8, leave the option there for the players! even if there is allot going on in the screen. Its great to know a player far away somewhere is doing something while your doing something else. I hope they wont make it so that when someone joins they automatically spawn next to you. This is not sonic the hatch hog or jack jazz rabbit. This is Diablo.
Any news on the PK system? will they allow in game betrayer ability? someone in your team betrays your team or has a counter quest to sabotage your teams performance to get rewards or even pk one of the players? Will they at least give us options? or will they force changes upon us like diablo 2?
Id hate to see some asianised fair play guildwars game.
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They should release SC2 in Feb of 2010, and around November 2010 Diablo III.
Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 communities are very different. Blizzard cares allot about $$$$$$$$ as they want to market the fuck out of both games. But to be honest I don't really care about SC2!
I don't really get all these classes in diablo 3, in diablo 1 you knew what you were getting, thats why it was good, warrior was a sword fighter, soccerer magic, and rouge bows and arrows.
These classes are a little all over all the place, I hope in the expansions they return some of the old classes, the necromancer for sure, the witch doctor is not even close of a replacement for that charectar, and maybe make the necro mancer be able to turn into a animal, similiar to the druid, call him a dark mage or something. Would be good if they made a class called Elementalist, which would add that gap that we currently have, and give him the ability go create water, fire, or earth golems like in warcraft 3, or even turn into one for a short period of time! and ofcourse, bring back the warrior or paladin, the barberian is not "that" type of class. I like the old sword shield, and holyness concept.
Anyway, 2011.. man there will be other games out, I hope they dont make it take that long..
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a 80 year old barbarian fighting a 28 year old female barbarian..
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I'm actually not really looking forward to D3, I personally think it will be a giant disappointment for the true fans of the series.
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hey if anyone liked this game, theres a vote going on for a next one! if anyone wants to throw their votes in, your more then welcome.
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You've been on this forum too long bud.
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if youd like to play tetris in 2011 by all means go right ahead.
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Totally Agree. Everyone who has a problem with the option should go jump of a cliff. Stop defending such a simple thing as giving people a choice. I don’t know what type of generation gamers alot of you are, but Ive been playing the original Diablo series since it was out. I believe allot of you cant second that! I love this series and I love to have options in this game. Options to play it the way i want to with the amount of players id like to. Options don’t hurt anyone, and if your so hard headed to see that then, I do truly feel sorry for you. Stop flaming the concept of "free will!".
Balance is good to a extent. Your statement is nonsense, probably incurred from a lack of gaming experience. Play several games then come back and make a comment. Overbalancing hurts everyone. A great example is the nerfed barb diablo 2 whirlwind skill. You spend ages working to get it good and they cut it in half as far as damage goes. Total bs.
Finally if blizzard is reading this, i have one key word of the day, OPTIONS, options, options, options options, give people options.
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The key word "option". Why do people have such a problem with it. If you give the option for the sever then I don't see how any of this comes into effect. You simply avoid PK servers, thats all, or filter it away on your search!
Historical relevance has nothing to do with game options.
Fingers crossed!
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personally I'm happy with that, I don't care for a map creator! I understand the potential as far as modability, I used to play Warcraft 3 online, some of the custom maps were awesome! but this is not the type of game for it.
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Are we? very presumptuous off you to think so.
A really old game by Westwood studios Blade Runner gave the player the option to choose the ending through the way he played the game. He could be the good or bad guy, and hence influence the outcome.
Giving people the option to seek certain light or dark powers depending on their meter rank of good or evil is a great idea, i don’t see anything wrong with it.
I want to play as me, or at least the closest to me as I can create ingame, a chinese Wizard is far from it.
A perfectly balanced game sucks. There should be a certain amount of it, but after a certain threshold it becomes lame! This is not Starcraft, such insane balancing precision is not required. This is not a Korean game. Look at any perfectly balanced game and play it for 12 months, see how you feel. I don't play guildwars anymore because of this. Especially now that introduced the Title system, its a waste of time better spend in other things. I'm not buying GW 2 because of this aswell. I wont be able to reep the awards that other players get for playing a computer game fanatically, hence its lost my interest already.
I'm a huge fan of good features and great play. I don't see how a 4 player bnet game with 5 playable classes is a improvement from the old game. Graphics and story are not implied here. A 4 player online game is not worth buying. Everyone will hamachi it! And you can't possibly imply that a good feature is something to be disregarded, regardless of the game. If anything Diablo needs all the features and options given to it! Otherwise People will just hate this, by the sounds of it so far.. thats where its heading.
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Kindly post your reply on the right thread next time.
Thanks
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Complex isn’t it? the mind is a wonderful thing.
A game should be designed so that it allows all types of players from all types of gaming careers to be able to enjoy that one game together. That’s the challenge modern games hold. The designers of the game should cater for their players as they are not just players but also their clients who give the company its earnings.
How can you accomplish all of this in Diablo? well the best way is to give people options. Most Diablo players and clients to the product are returning players from the previous games. Cater and care for them, give them the options of the prior game to allow them to enjoy the franchise more, so much so they pay from their hard earned money, rather then getting a illegal or stolen copy which they will play over hamachi.
Having said the above here are some ideas which I think would improve the overal gaming experience for myself as well as for others. I have been playing diablo for a very long long long time, and to this day its my favourite game. Diablo 2 somewhat started to loose its flavour, and here are a few things that can improve it.
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Number 1
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As players venture into the game they obtain quests, certain members or member of the party should be given a counter quest with a higher reward in order to sabotage the main quest. Ie Tempted by evil. Maybe assassinate a random party member, or lead someone away from the group and let them die.
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Number 2
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A good and evil meter should be given. Why would 5 hero’s be venturing out to do the same goal, from my understanding of what a witch doctor is, i can tell you that they are far more evil then good. I think their agenda should be to get ultimate power not kill off evil. Either way a good to evil meter should be given, depending on the quests the player decides to take. Also certain NPC's should respond to this rank, and allow a alterrior game play from the standard, kill Diablo approach. Maybe save Diablo? People need the options to choose their destiny’s.
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Number 3
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Arcanum had a really great feature, among many great features, to choose right from the get go your players history. And this would effect you from when you enter the game. So if you were to be raised by dwarves you’d have +5 strength but because dwarves are stupid you have -5 energy. This is stationary and cannot be changed through the game. It gives the player more of association and background with the person he is playing.
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Diablo is a very old title, features such as gender, colour, and looks/build height/weight should be included as things you are able to change. I know you guys added a male female class, cool great but, that’s not what i said, i said colour, looks/build height/weight as well.
for single player you can have it so they play your original classes the way you intended them to, but for multiplayer its great to not have everyone looking the same. I don’t see why this feature cant be included into Diablo 3. There is no good counter argument for this. I want to play a black wizard similar to the Diablo 1 sorcerer, not some Chinese looking dude with dreadlocks. No racial slur intended!
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Don't make the game incredibly balanced. After looking at some of your skill trees for the Wizard i became anxious. A perfectly well balanced game is Guild wars, and despite having some great features, the fact that its so well balanced is actually a let down. Too well balanced is bad. You can quote me on that all you like. A fair balanced game should be Starcraft 2, and Warcraft, but they are very different titles with a different market.
Starcraft 2 is mainly played by Koreans and it has a responsibility to be the most well balanced game because of its overseas fame. So much so that there is a game Olympics around this title, and even a TV show.
Diablo 2 is not Starcraft nor is it Warcraft.
By the way, Blizzard is doing a great job on warcraft. Im not a fan of WOW but your actual strategy based warcrat is great! I played warcraft 1 when i was just 10 years old. And i have to say great work.
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Another really great addition shown in Arcanum is the book of knowledge. Don't quote me on this its been a while but its basically a giant book which combines herbalist, magic, electricity, mechanism in one, and levels per section per page. I strongly advize anyone in Blizzard to try out this game, it has some cool things worth mentioning.
Basically items you pick up such as leaves, branches, the smallest things, mixed with something else can create a elixir, or a buff potion. This also works with scraps of ore and metal, if you combine them and you know what your building you can create a sword, or a axe or even a neat little electrical spider.
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Why should everyone have the same objective as to defeat evil? why? Being able to Pk gives the game a huge diversity, and allows more freedom for the individual who plays the role of his class. Why should players be confined to boundaries set by the game designer? all the great games allow players the freedom to play the game as they wish in their style. Why should we all be the good guy? And strive for the same goals?
If you give the server options then players can simply choose not to enter servers that have PK enabled. There problem solved everyone’s happy! No dramas no mess! It allows two distinctly different players to play the one game, allowing more of a market for the Diablo franchise. From a business standpoint its not hurting anyone, nor is it from a client standpoint or a developers standpoint either.
Having options is the key, lack of them makes for repetitive game play.
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Any news on the PK system? will they allow in game betrayer ability? someone in your team betrays your team or has a counter quest to sabotage your teams performance to get rewards or even pk one of the players? Will they at least give us options? or will they force changes upon us like diablo 2?
Id hate to see some asianised fair play guildwars game.