I'm more happy with this system than d2 system, item grabbers and everyone not killing the boss spamming on the ground waiting for items to drop isn't really fun. This new way will make grouping with random players I don't know a lot more viable than in the past.
I cant beleive how many people have complained that diablo 3 isnt dark enough.
Bull fucking crap.
Look from what i remember, you all wanted the same camera angle, which you got. You wanted next gen graphics, which you also got. And you wanted the same dark and gothic feel, without the cartoony feel, which in my opinion, you got. Yet its just not good enough is it?
Go and watch the gameplay video again. Look at the darkness, the lack of light, the statues and crumbling walls, the mist and fog and eerie lower depths of the dungeon. Its just like diablo 2 with a massive facelift. I for one couldnt be happier.
So we see outside. Oh no, its light outside! No shit. Oh no, bushes are green and not grey! No shit. What did you expect.
Somebody show me a comparison between diablo 3 and the "cartoony" blizzard games like warcraft 3 or WoW which actually looks the same. Any money says you cant do it.
Oh and they take a few ideas from WoW. Why is that a bad thing? WoW has over 10 million subscribers. They must be doing something right with that bloody game! Why not take a few things from it and adapt it into diablo 3?
Does anyone here at these forums actually think diablo 3 isnt dark enough? You actually think its too cartoony?
Let me know cos i want to find you and do stuff to you.
Right on basically agree 100%, getting tired of hearing about it tbh
First things first, Art and game design should never turn into some sort of pseudo democracy, this is not presidential elections, the only one who has the right to decide what Diablo 3 looks like is Blizzard, not mindless nostalgia fueled petitions or crazed hard-core fans.
That's the main reason companies other than Blizzard ignore all this nonsense and make their games in secret to avoid such nonsense, and soon Blizzard too will do the same because of the attitude of mindless immature fans.
I have said countless time that Blizzard justified their changes in the game looks during their Art Panels in WWI, and it makes more sense than the mindless nostalgia fest going on here, anyone with even the slightest artistic sense could see how much hard work has been done on Diablo 3, so it is immature, implotie and rude to just ask them to change it all just because your nostlagia is hurting, if you don't like Diablo 3 as it is just don't buy it or play it, go play the countless gritty clones out there, or make your own company.
Reasons for the changes:-
*it has been already 20 years since Diablo 2, more than enough to change the whole look of the world.
* Stylish, giving Diablo 3 its own character and personality, allowing it to stand out from the crowd of brown and grey games, or 'realistic' (e.g. boring) looking games.
* Not monotonous. The use of inviting colours, contours, tones, vibrance, and animations are some of the game's major strengths. Makes the game accessible and playable for a long period of time.
* The use of colors allow for a wide variety of settings and locations, away from the mundane worlds of greys and browns.
* Vibrant colors and a wide variety of locations do not prohibit the game from having 'dark gothic' locations within the game. Diablo 2 consisted mainly of vibrant locations, but that didn't prevent the Durance of Hate from being a part of the game.
So to set things right i'll try to explain those changes and refute all the baseless nostalgia fueled claims that make no sense.
1-claim one They say Diablo 3 is cartoony and colorful Validtiy:nonsense, if Diablo 3 is cartoony then real life is loony toons, Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 were more much more colorful and cartoony than Diablo 3, which is 40 times more realistic than both of them.
Proofs:
-NATURE is VIVID and COLORFUL and that DOESN'T MAKE IT CARTOONY
IF THIS IS CARTOONY
THEN THIS IS A PIC FROM LOONY TOONS
-RAINBOWS are a freaking NATURAL phenomena, it has nothing to do with your freaking PONIES
Let's play find the ponie, what ?, there ain't any, OMG !!!!!
-Diablo 2 and Diablo 1 were very colorful and very cartoony ( STATED BY DIABLO DEV TEAM )
DIABLO 2 DISCO TIME
Still wonder which one is cartoony colorful and bright and which one is realistic, then maybe you should you go check your eyes at the nearest doctor.
Also D2 had normal daytime and VERY BRIGHT environments
IT WAS NOT ALL GLOOOMY AND DARK, you don't know what you are talking about and make yourselves look like 15 years old emo-Gothic girls how want every thing black and blotted with blood and gore, GET A LIFE.
2-claim two They say Diablo 3 looks like WoW Validtiy:Not true, Diablo 3 has a slightly stylish look that looks nothing like WoW, Team Fortress has a stylish look, does that mean it looks like WoW or Diablo 3, NO, and also in general not every fantasy stylized 3d game is WoW.
Proofs: This is the very stylish and low poly look of WoW, you can see it's textures and details are greatly lacking and that the colors are not coherent, both hands and feet are large and anatomy in general is exaggerated
THIS is DIABLO 3, the COLORS are COHERENT, the DETAILS are CRISP, the TEXTURES are RICH, the MOOD is CLEARLY SET, the CHARACTER SKIN is very detailed and the anatomy is only slightly stylized and looks closer to real life than anything before ( even in D1 and D2 )
NOT EVERY 3D stylized game is WOW, get real.
AND STYLISH = NOT BORING
( they stated that countless times but you call yourselves Blizz fans and keep ignoring that )
No Blizz true fan would Want D3 to look like every freaking generic 3d hack and slash clone out there, they are all NOT stylized and look like each other.
Can you even tell the difference between the first screen shot and the other two, for your surprise they are both two different games, yet they freaking look the same, do you know why ?
BECAUSE THEY ARE BOTH FREAKING DARK AND BORING WITH NO MOOD OR AMBIENT COLORS, NO SANE DIABLO FAN WOULD WANT DIABLO 3 to look this GENERIC, BLAND AND SHITTY.
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3-claim three They say Diablo 3 Armor is spiky and large Validtiy:That's hilarious, did you even check how the armor wore by the Barbarian in D2 looked like, seriously !!!!!
Proofs:
The spiky armor above was in the game, and this Barbarian 3D model here was the one used for the 2D sprite in the Diablo 2 game as stated by the artist himself, so, that bland looking armor or this new more detailed and realistic one.
The Barbarian heavy armor designs always featured spikes and huge shoulder pieces, and simple as that, it looks a lot better now.
Warhammer universe also has very bulky armor and there is nothing cartoony about it, it is a gritty universe.
That's all for now
And remember i'm not the one how created the current look for Daiblo 3, it is BLIZZARD, the same company that made DIABLO 1 and DIABLO 2 that you keep whining about, THEY KNOW BETTER THAN YOU.
THEY HAD VERY GOOD REASONS FOR THEIR CHANGES, and ALL you WHINE about IS NOSTALGIA, DARKNESS AND BLOOD, quite an argument, an perfectly EMO one.
This has got to be one of the best posts I've seen on these forums since the unveiling of d3, my hat goes off to you for actually putting in the effort to say what so many people wanted to.
Because seeing kiljaeden is totally relevant to having a bind system in diablo 3? Right? I haven't actually faught him no, because I was smart enough to quit wow quite a while ago, well before sunwell got implemented actually because farming Illidan was boring.
I played diablo 1 online for a long time, played hellfire, played the crap out of diablo2 and lords of destruction have I played the 'entire' 7 years? no but I did put quite a lot of time into when I was playing for about 3 years. I had plently of level 99's and played the trade game more than I'd like to admit for that.
Diablo 2 is all about the items you get, yes your correct but your logic still isn't quite formulating a solid defence to prove your point. Your actually proving my point for me thankfully. I have no qualms in trading extra gear to get items for another character or do some mfing for something to trade, infact I think that is all I really did while I was playing actually. A patch might come AND guess what the patch after that might change the character again and you go back to playing it.
That's because he's nothing but a tool, he probably didn't even read any of our BoE suggestions.
I only just came to thread about 1-2 pages ago, but that seems to be consensus at these forums you either agree or you get abused. Regardless of how much logic and thought you put into your posts. Shame really, but at least we know theres some people who might reply without abusing our personal lives
You could spend an account full mules with sojs, dupes and other awesome legit rare items for boots, rings, amulets, weapons and armor with near perfect stats you idiots. Some items only ever dropped ONCE in the 10 years diablo has been out, and many can't drop anymore due to changes with item stats from patch to patch. So why should a super fucking rare item from 1.6 patch with perfect stats worth more real money than you make a month be bound to a single character which people would remake all the time?!?
If it's so rare and if boe was in the game, would you put it on a character you simply plan on remaking? I can answer that for you, no. People simply wouldn't put it on a character they don't feel like continuing, so one item that drops ONCE every 10 years is the defining point on why a boe system is flawed? right okay one item out of how many? The thing is you can STILL trade full mules for insanely rare loot your really not doing a lot of absorbing of what I'm writing to you about this are you?
Now you know about my personal life, well sorry I have a job I don't need to make money off games I use in my spare time to have fun with. Fail Troll is Fail.
Generally speaking I would not like to see BoE or BoP implemented. Note that I said generally... I would agree that some kind of economical control device should be put in place, but I don't think that is necissarely the answer. With all the talk in this thread about what made d2 d2, I will throw in my 2 cents as it pertains to my post.
Having been in end game raiding guilds in everquest and also been an avid d2 player, what made d2 the online game that It was, had to do with its relatively short level periods, the ability to have multiple high level characters, trading the gear that you amass on all of your characters amongst each other and your friends. Building multie formats of the same character and seeing which one worked best for a specific application. If d3 is going to be a gme in which I have to focus solely on one character, and have to physically find end game items I want and then am unable to give that item to another of my chars after I'm done with it... I will be very disappointed.
That is my opinion. I will play the game no matter what. But I hope players are able to maintain a real life and still be able to excel at gameplay.
All your points against a bind system here is solely against BOP, I'm just curious as to where boe would really stop you doing everything you'd said in there.
uhh diablo 3 is to use the bartering system, there is the reason why there is no economy in diablo, stop trying to make games like wow, and gtfo and go play wow!
Bind on pick up and Bind on equip? Keep playing World of Warcraft you can't handle diablo. I have 4 70's and full tier6 on my shaman and BOP&BOE would ruin diablo 3. Guess what you enjoy playing a witch doctor and equip some uber soj and shield, but 3 months later you decide I want to play a sorceress instead your equipment is bound to you so you can't trade or reuse it. Stupid idea only works in MMO's because otherwise people would sell/trade geear from RAID instances and it would totally ruin the point of raiding. Anyone who agrees with BOP or BOE is stupid beyond words. Imagine sojs being bind on equip that wouldn't make gold currency you retards, instead it would make uber items in diablo 3 impossible for anyone to get you idiots. There was weapons, boots and rings with stats that are so rare it took 3 years for them to drop and there was only ever ONE with similar stats to drop. Do you idiots honestly think you would ever see godly items like that? Why should it be bound to a single character??? Anyone who wants BOE and BOP are scrubs and never had godly gear in diablo 2. Sorry you reject unique gear wasn't godly unless it was bugged which none of you would know about. Dupes, godly items and the diablo 3 economy doesn't involve a scrube like you, so go worry about things you can warp your little mind around.
Elaborate please, give me solid counter reasons against BOE being implemented in diablo 3 not broken abuse lines calling someone a "scrube". It's been stated many times BOP will 'not' work in this game for an array of reasons we pretty much all agree, but your ignorance is funny. Diablo did have an economy... of ITEMS, soj's are the economy. They are still going to be as well with BOE just try look at it from a perspective 'other' than wow the system didn't start with wow and it certainly won't end with it. If you want to change characters, you can trade your UNUSED rares for those items. Just because something has dropped once doesn't mean 5 characters should get to use it. BOE items did actually drop from the world bosses but you'd know this right with being in t6? (which isn't hard btw, be in 8 pieces and I might be slightly impressed but not entirely) boe items dropped from regular mobs as special items.. Your points are only valid against bop, so yeah please continue on.
Feel free to elaborate and expand or maybe you can be the one gtfo the forums as you so kindly put it until you come back with something constructive?
Duping ruined the economy....Not everyone having items from too many high end items droping for every char. Prevent duping and keep the items fully tradeable and useable like they have been. I could play a guy to the 80s with out getting more then 1 or 2 super high end items for the class Im playing...the rest was for other classes..
Again no Bind on anything for items....
Just say no to bindings and dupes!!
Just say no to bindings and dupes!!
Just say no to bindings and dupes!!
Just say no to bindings and dupes!!
Duping was terrible and lame yes, but it only proved what happens if you speed up the economy over time if you think about it logically. For example sake duping already doubled say everything high end after x amount of time, but theres also no where for the items to sink out of play they are constantly being traded by barb to barb to sorc then sorc trades for something they want which that person then trades back to barb.. The number of rares in circulation will end up exactly the same as duping and it'll STILL be inflated which will eventually happen over the course of time duping or not... Duping just shows you the flaws in the base economy system for d2.
It's an endless cycle and when you add duping into that, it only makes more rares circulate throughout the community. I'm not saying you do get tonnes of items by the time your hitting 80's but if you'd bothered to have read the thread you'd see everyone is pretty much against bop, but boe has interesting effects on it. If duping is rampant in d3, which is might well be. Boe will be a godsend.. why? because said person dupes 40x bows trades them off now 30 of those bows have been equiped and have been taken out of the cycle, your a witch doc a huge sword drops your still able to trade that off for ANYTHING that hasn't been equiped which I think is the number people are underestimating.
Though appreciation goes out to for saying the same line 4 times, I'm sure that'll help elaborate your well thought out points
if i repeat something someone has already said yall can completely disregard this post... but for those of you saying that the trading system was what "made diablo, diablo" i just have to laugh at you. the trading system was so flawed it was rediculous. it got to a point when i was playing where i stopped for about a year due to school and my characters expired. when i decided to play again i was so poor and everyone else in the game was so rediculously rich from dupes/bloated economy i could not afford basic unique items. i would not like to see a BoP system implemented but the BoE system would deffinately help with the economy. is gold gonna actually be worth something in D3? doubtfully. but there will be another "SOJ" type item that will take over, or what later turned into "MFSC". a new system will deffinately be appriaciated by this customer. oh and PS... what made diablo, diablo was the fact that it was a cutting edge game with great graphics for the time and a unique experience unlike other games from that era. blizzard did an exceptional job making a game you could play for 2 years and still not get tired of. it most deffinately was not the trading system that made it what it was.
That wall of text crit me!
You do have a completely valid point about it being so inflated that new players simply cannot break into the trade game without doing some serious mfing, which some people might okay but if your new to the game it doesn't really do much to hold you and keep playing online. New players and old should be able to interact alike, but of course older players will have more items than a new one, but that doesn't mean a newish player shouldn't be able to afford a basic item for their character. I really think boe would fix a lot of this, if implemented right.
You act as if Diablo needs a monetary economy. There's nothing wrong with a barter system (this item for that item). This isn't an MMO where gold has all kinds of practical applications. Diablo is just about killing monsters. Trying to complicate the system takes away from the simplicity of the game. I will be highly disappointed if BoE or BoP gets implemented in D3.
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If there are going to be MF runs, then no, but if MF runs are not needed AT ALL, then it would be fine, but if you're doing MF runs and you pick up a +20 atributes and +2 skills that you already have one of, and it's bound to you, now it's useless and that's just plain old gay, but if you don't need to do much to get good gear, then I guess it could work... But I would rather not have it.
Read a bit more into the thread and it might change your mind, I know BOP is a terrible system but BOE is an interesting premise if you see all the idea's and concepts of the system comming into play here, it's still about trading items for items but your actually trading rare items for rare items while still getting the benefits of an item based economy with any gold even being needed.
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http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=d3-general&t=78496&s=blizzard&tmp=1#blizzard
straight to the blizzard post
I'm more happy with this system than d2 system, item grabbers and everyone not killing the boss spamming on the ground waiting for items to drop isn't really fun. This new way will make grouping with random players I don't know a lot more viable than in the past.
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Right on basically agree 100%, getting tired of hearing about it tbh
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I'll have a look around to find the specific interview quotes, let me try find them
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healing orbs are meant to accompany the health potions - you can see multiple health pots drop during the gameplay demo.
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This has got to be one of the best posts I've seen on these forums since the unveiling of d3, my hat goes off to you for actually putting in the effort to say what so many people wanted to.
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Because seeing kiljaeden is totally relevant to having a bind system in diablo 3? Right? I haven't actually faught him no, because I was smart enough to quit wow quite a while ago, well before sunwell got implemented actually because farming Illidan was boring.
I played diablo 1 online for a long time, played hellfire, played the crap out of diablo2 and lords of destruction have I played the 'entire' 7 years? no but I did put quite a lot of time into when I was playing for about 3 years. I had plently of level 99's and played the trade game more than I'd like to admit for that.
Diablo 2 is all about the items you get, yes your correct but your logic still isn't quite formulating a solid defence to prove your point. Your actually proving my point for me thankfully. I have no qualms in trading extra gear to get items for another character or do some mfing for something to trade, infact I think that is all I really did while I was playing actually. A patch might come AND guess what the patch after that might change the character again and you go back to playing it.
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Indeed they've already fixed the problem of 8 man baal kill, *person using autopickup bot wins all the loot*
everyone see's their own individual loot in a group. You can't ninja what doesn't drop for you
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I only just came to thread about 1-2 pages ago, but that seems to be consensus at these forums you either agree or you get abused. Regardless of how much logic and thought you put into your posts. Shame really, but at least we know theres some people who might reply without abusing our personal lives
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If it's so rare and if boe was in the game, would you put it on a character you simply plan on remaking? I can answer that for you, no. People simply wouldn't put it on a character they don't feel like continuing, so one item that drops ONCE every 10 years is the defining point on why a boe system is flawed? right okay one item out of how many? The thing is you can STILL trade full mules for insanely rare loot your really not doing a lot of absorbing of what I'm writing to you about this are you?
Now you know about my personal life, well sorry I have a job I don't need to make money off games I use in my spare time to have fun with. Fail Troll is Fail.
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All your points against a bind system here is solely against BOP, I'm just curious as to where boe would really stop you doing everything you'd said in there.
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Elaborate please, give me solid counter reasons against BOE being implemented in diablo 3 not broken abuse lines calling someone a "scrube". It's been stated many times BOP will 'not' work in this game for an array of reasons we pretty much all agree, but your ignorance is funny. Diablo did have an economy... of ITEMS, soj's are the economy. They are still going to be as well with BOE just try look at it from a perspective 'other' than wow the system didn't start with wow and it certainly won't end with it. If you want to change characters, you can trade your UNUSED rares for those items. Just because something has dropped once doesn't mean 5 characters should get to use it. BOE items did actually drop from the world bosses but you'd know this right with being in t6? (which isn't hard btw, be in 8 pieces and I might be slightly impressed but not entirely) boe items dropped from regular mobs as special items.. Your points are only valid against bop, so yeah please continue on.
Feel free to elaborate and expand or maybe you can be the one gtfo the forums as you so kindly put it until you come back with something constructive?
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Duping was terrible and lame yes, but it only proved what happens if you speed up the economy over time if you think about it logically. For example sake duping already doubled say everything high end after x amount of time, but theres also no where for the items to sink out of play they are constantly being traded by barb to barb to sorc then sorc trades for something they want which that person then trades back to barb.. The number of rares in circulation will end up exactly the same as duping and it'll STILL be inflated which will eventually happen over the course of time duping or not... Duping just shows you the flaws in the base economy system for d2.
It's an endless cycle and when you add duping into that, it only makes more rares circulate throughout the community. I'm not saying you do get tonnes of items by the time your hitting 80's but if you'd bothered to have read the thread you'd see everyone is pretty much against bop, but boe has interesting effects on it. If duping is rampant in d3, which is might well be. Boe will be a godsend.. why? because said person dupes 40x bows trades them off now 30 of those bows have been equiped and have been taken out of the cycle, your a witch doc a huge sword drops your still able to trade that off for ANYTHING that hasn't been equiped which I think is the number people are underestimating.
Though appreciation goes out to for saying the same line 4 times, I'm sure that'll help elaborate your well thought out points
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That wall of text crit me!
You do have a completely valid point about it being so inflated that new players simply cannot break into the trade game without doing some serious mfing, which some people might okay but if your new to the game it doesn't really do much to hold you and keep playing online. New players and old should be able to interact alike, but of course older players will have more items than a new one, but that doesn't mean a newish player shouldn't be able to afford a basic item for their character. I really think boe would fix a lot of this, if implemented right.
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Read a bit more into the thread and it might change your mind, I know BOP is a terrible system but BOE is an interesting premise if you see all the idea's and concepts of the system comming into play here, it's still about trading items for items but your actually trading rare items for rare items while still getting the benefits of an item based economy with any gold even being needed.