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Lol I can't contribute to this conversation anymore. Too time consuming but it's definitely been fun and enlightening to do so. Cheers! I will quickly reply to your post.

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Actually I am not even sure that's true. I read somewhere that the reason you get the impression that young adults fuck it up more often is because when young adults do it, it's more likely to be accounted for. It's looked down upon in young adults, it's easier for adults to marry without suspicion than young adults, as well as abort, for that matter (talking about teenage pregnancies here since that's generally the statistic that gets collected, also note the term "teenage", so if it's not teenage it's not recorded), and adults do not have the "she was too young" issue, as well. So, for all I know, all this "young people can't control themselves" can be complete garbage and pure ageism and actually a consequences of the simple "people can't control themselves", which seems much closer to the truth.
Oh, and there are lies, more lies, and statistics.

Was this article online 'cause I would actually be really interested to read it. I love this stuff.

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Do you realize that the partying mindset is supported by media (college is viewed as a party), colleges, and generally there are more partying colleges than hard colleges, and hard colleges are looked down upon because you're wasting your life away and all that rubbish? Would you expect young people to, on average, be inclined to be party people (when that's supported by society) or hard work people (when that's looked down upon by society AT THAT AGE, when that doesn't really earn crazy money [in the end it doesn't earn money at all but nvm that])? So is it your stupid brain or maybe it's society again?

When we are talking about average, (not you, not me, not Meph), society > brain. By far. Trust me.

YES! I completely agree. I think I may have mentioned somewhere that culture and society is a factor. And today in our culture and society media is HUGE.

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Certainly true. But I believe adults are largely responsible for why teenagers are what they are.

For sure. In the first 5 years of life children are almost solely exposed to their parents. Which means everything they experience and learn is through them. Parents definitely have a huge impact on kids, even in adolescence. I think peers is a major factor to though. I wrote a paper on it.

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Actually, impulse control is a discipline issue.

It has a lot to do with that I'm sure. But it's not JUST a discipline issue. It's the combination of multiple things.

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People tried to get me to smoke at 10, I didn't. Stuff like making sure doctors didn't use used syringes on me, I had to keep track of that. I was alone from a pretty young age in Ukraine. Still didn't do anything stupid. If anything, the most stupid things so far were done quite recently, but nothing significant.
In fact, to this day, I don't do anything that wasn't analyzed somewhat, first. I do not make any actions without thinking about them first. So if someone randomly asks me to do something significant I block out completely and it's not going to happen. Most people, on the other hand, have Kirk type of thinking. They jump before they look at whatever the hell they're jumping at. Which means 9/10 you're going to fall off a cliff.
And you know what? Our society likes that mentality. Which is why we to this day have people doing stupid things like that and not thinking it's a personal, rather than a developmental, problem.

Yea see I tried smoking, I've done my fair share of pot, I drink. Those are all probably things I shouldn't have done but I did them anyways. I think a lot of it was to do with peer pressure at the time but in either case I remember thinking I shouldn't do it but did anyways. Now it's different. I'm obviously much more capable at controlling my emotions. My last relationship in the beginning we did stupid shit. Had sex without a condom. I knew better. Totally knew better. But we were in the moment. We wanted it then and there so we did it. Two years later we wouldn't even THINK about having unprotected sex. Obviously we had both gone through a significant point in our mental development.

I love the fact that you used a Star Trek analogy lol.

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But this is such a common thinking mode though. Doesn't that alone tell you common thinking like that is for common people? That's lack of will, nothing else. It means that the id controls the ego. And that kind of thing separates man from animal it has nothing to do with age.

I like that you brought up id over ego. Psychodynamic perspective ftw. The id might drive the ego but it does not control it. When you are born you're driven solely by impulse. But the ego begins to mature as you age. It has to develop. The ego lets you satisfy the id in a realistic way but it can only do that so much as it has developed. So age is definitely a factor.

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Dude, stop generalizing, seriously.

How am I generalizing? I specifically said "some people do develop more quickly than others and then some slower." So yeah you're probably one of those people who developed sooner. I'm simply stating what I've read in studies.

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Everyone makes mistakes, be it in decision making, or in baking a cake, irrespective of their age. The condom example you gave is really, really null. Uneducated households contains a large number of children (in most cases). That's because grown ass people, the man and the woman, don't even know about contraceptive methods. It's not about age, it's about frikkin' exposure. In this day and age, if you're older than 10-12, and still don't know what a condom is, you might have an extra number 13 chromosome.

I'm not really talking about mistakes. I'm talking about judgement and umpulses. Yes younger people do tend to give in to umpulses and make poor judgment calls because of their lack of experience but it's also due to biology, as many studies have now demonstrated.

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Pre frontal cortex or whatever, your BASE is there when you're 15-16-17-whatever. Anything that happens in your brain after that is just not that big of a deal (more so at later ages, anyway. In the 17-20 region). When the hormonal surge stops, you become to think more clearly, as opposed to the "everybody is a dumbass motherfucker who just doesn't get me" mindset that everyone is in during their teen years. Making wrong decisions isn't based on age. 50 year olds make dumb as fuck decisions, and 18 year olds make smart as fuck decisions. There is no rule governing these situations.

You're right of course. People make poor judgment calls all the time, regardless of their age. The point I was trying to make is there is reason that older people tend to look to younger people as being less intelligent or whatever. It doesn't necessarily mean they're right since I don't think intelligence has anything to do with the reasoning behind their bias. I just think that grown adults see young adults as inexperienced and lacking in certain judgemental skills and impulse control (partying, drugs, sex, etc.) I agree in many cases it's unwarranted but so is a lot of other bias we see in our society.

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You're citing an irrelevant example. A guy should know what kind of girl he's having sex with. The girl should take oral contraceptives, use an IUD, or whatever, which can fully substitute for a condom. Old people make the mistake you just cited, not just teenagers. Hell, the age gap between myself and my brother is 13 years..something tells me my dad wasn't feeling like putting on a condom 19 years ago, because "it felt so good", or whatever. There. That's a good example, as opposed to the one you gave, which is vague and doesn't apply to what we're talking about, at all. My brother remained a douche who ignored all the important things in life, and instead spent several years fucking around. He graduated when he was 27-28. That means he didn't start university properly until he was about 25. So much for your pre-frontal cortex theory always applying to decision making prowess, or whatever.

A guy should know, yes. And they should use some form of birth control, yes. But they don't always do. You're completely ignoring statistics. Yes a lot of older people fuck up and make poor decisions but it's a bigger problem in younger adults. The pre-fontal cortex theory is not my theory. It's the results of hundreds of MRI studies of adolesecent brain development. I did not say it always applies to decision making. I said some people will develop earlier and others later but on average it's around the age of 20.

I agree with everything you've said so far. Maybe I'm not getting my point across clearly enough. I tend to do that a lot. I'm saying on average older people view younger adults as being less experienced, foolish, naive, etc. Not ALL older adults think this. Some do. Likewise, not ALL younger adults are less experienced, foolish or naive. Some are. They complete their physical development and they learn from their experiences. What I'm saying is, there is a typical age that a person accumulates enough experience and has developed enough that they start to exhibit more adult-like behaviour. There ARE exceptions. On average, it seems to be around age 20.

I'd also like to state based on my experience in the job market I've seen plenty of discrimination of people less than 25 years old. The reasoning being they won't take the job as seriously, they're less experienced, etc. I've been refused jobs for this reason. See where I'm working now though, they took the chance. They were uncertain whether to hire me and the general manager even told me. "We usually don't hire anyone under 25. It's not a job where you can go out partying all night and wake up at 5am and go to work. You need to be alert and ready to work." He was being biased and assuming I was irresponsible and rash. I think that's my main point out of all of this. In general, I think older adults discriminate (those damned teenagers!) and this is why some people might tend to lie about their age. Because they know if they appear to be older they will be taken more seriously.

The reason I brought up all the pre-frontal cortex stuff was because I know that older adults aren't completely unjustified in assuming this. It's just a bias that's built up in their minds based on the young adults they've had experiences with as well as the misconceptions that have come out of society and been implanted into their minds. And yeah a lot of young adults they'll come into contact with will probably align with their current views of young adults which will further emphasize their bias even if they do come into contact with some young adults who are very matured for their age.

I'm most likely not coming across as clear as I would have liked this post to be but I'm at work and can't devote anymore time to this until I get ahead in my paperwork. I probably won't reply again after this post. Depends on how badly I fucked up my point I suppose. I'll try and keep it brief next time.

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The only issue is knowledge/experience. That which you said above, having sex without a condom, is a knowledge vs philosophy issue.

It is yes but not entirely.

As I said the pre-frontal cortex only fully develops around the age of 20. So if you're 18 years old and you're pre-frontal cortex (the last part of the brain that matures) is not fully developed, your decision making and ability to control impulses probably won't be as great as a 25-30 year old. In my example with the unprotected sex someone could very well know the consequences but when the time arrives is just overwhelmed by the sexual desire. The person might be thinking "Oh man this is awesome we can totally have sex right now. I don't have a condom though. I don't want to get her pregnant. But it feels so good. I really shouldn't. But it feels so good. She probably won't get pregnant. What are the odds? I'll pull out. I'm going for it!"

As you said, yeah it has to do with knowledge and experience (being a product of your environment) but it also has to do with biology.

I'm actually studying psychology so I'll put my two cents in. As you can see in the image below the brain only really finishes development at around age 20 - although new studies are revealing it's more likely between the ages of 23-25. Particularly it's the pre-frontal cortex; responsible for judgment, decision making and controlling your impulses that is the last to develop. So yeah one can seem more mature for their age in some aspects but still be inadequately developed. For example, I've always been more matured than my friends but when it came to decisions boy did I make a few bad ones. I'm sure some of you have experienced similiar situations. Having sex without a condom for example. Ignoring consequences. Then of course there's other factors like environment and culture. There's just so much that contributes to our mental age.



That said, some people do develop more quickly than others and then some slower, giving the appearance that they seem older or younger than their actual age. Like you said earlier, society seems to view people younger than 20 as still being adolescents. I suppose this is why people tend to pretend their older; so that they're taken more seriously.

Ou definitely going to check out the demo. Thanks!

Always been a big fan of these titles. My question is how much of a difference in gameplay is it from Civ IV? Is it worth the buy if I already have the fourth one?

I'm currently 23. The first game I can remember playing I don't even remember the name of. It was before we even got a 386 30MHz PC lol. Ahh didn't even have a cd-rom drive back then. I must have been 5-6 at the time. Then I started playing the original Duke Nukem haha. By the time I was 9 I was shooting aliens and giving strippers cash to see their pixely boobies in Duke Nukem 3D. There were plenty of games inbetween but I played Duke Nukem the most. Started playing Unreal Tournament when I was 14. Friend got me into D2 with the release of patch 1.09 at 16. Played UT2k3 a bit but quit and started playing Americas Army at patch 1.4.0 while playing D2 on and off for the next 5 years. And since 2007 I haven't really played much of anything until we come to today and Starcraft 2.

There were of course many other games but these were my main addictions over the years.

I try to piss people off as much as I can lol. My favourite is dropping a fast refinery and engineering bay, mine enough for a planetary fortress then load up my scv's and fly over to his base. Drop down and start morphing my cc into a fortress. Then start mining from their mineral patch and watch the fortress shred his base lol. Hilarious!

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my best at the moment is nothing more than platinum.

'Nothing more' lol. I'm struggling to stay in Gold.

I don't know how it works but I've heard of people spoofing their IP addresses. Making the server think it's a different one. You'd have to google it or ask someone else though.

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Fucking Sears!

Yes, I also want to play more, but even just loading the Starcraft game feels onerous now. That sounds stupid, I know. But if I found some good people to play with I think I can enjoy it again. But the few I do play with are on at different times as me, or don't play that much either.

Does it bother anyone you can't even play the fucking game unless you're connected to the internet? That pissed me off so bad. I was at a hotel a few weeks ago outside of Yellowstone and that night when we got back I thought I'd play some SC2 only to be denied cause I wasn't fucking online. Bastards. What did this ultimately achieve for Blizzard in terms of anti-piracy? Was it really worth it for them?

I know how you feel. I haven't played a 1vs1 in a couple of weeks. I do play everynight though with multiple partners.. mutiple partners lol. I'm a SC2 whore.

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I read that it was 2 weeks in threads made by a few users that had the same problem as me. Granted, it was 2 years ago so I'm not sure if anything has changed since then. Good thing I didn't post that new little snippet of info I found else that would have made me quad post :whistling:

As far as I knew it was 72 hours but I haven't done any significant research on the matter. If you continued to spam logins it could possibly multiply the ban time? I know it does that in some instances as well.

You get temp banned for using a bad key. It can last up to 72 hours.

Anyone else hopelessly addicted? I've played 20-30 hours a week since I got the game. It's nuts.