Skills are learned and taught, its a life lesson. The Rogues trained, the Monks trained, the Barbarians learned from their way of life, the Sorceresses learned and were taught. The Necromancers learned within their own order, its still there. They were taught, I think what you're going about is the innate ability to actually preform godly acts. That is their power, Bul Kathos was born with inhumane strength, Esu and Rathma we're born with different Magical Abilities. They were taught to hone them. They weren't born with the ability to do everything, they were born with a specific power. Then they were taught how to use it and refine it.
These 3 People, Bul Kathos, Esu, and Rathma they weren't born with the skills. They were born with their ability, not every ability, and they were still taught how to use them. Thus gaining the Skills. All the Classes came from their own Society and Order.
not the angels and demoms having the same powers, but if the mating of both (which DILUTES both bloodlines by half) results in a being that can be stornger then both, I think those beings had al powers and diversified, not the angels and demons.
I am stating that there still isn't any possibility they can have ALL the powers. Because the Angels don't share all the powers of the Angels and so do the Demons. Thus even though the Angels and Demons did mate, their powers are still different from the other Offspring of other Angels and Demons
Sorry man but i think the bard is almost as funny as blizzards 'archivist' April fools day character.
Can't see it working - but I am all for some random original character for the 5th class. Keep the ideas coming!
Well I wanted to try my hand on making some Character Classes. At least the skill trees aren't based on the weapons they use, but more on who they are. Just like the rest of the other D3 Classes that are already out.
the wikia doesnt say that they all have the same powers, but it does say that there were only actually two cases of demon-angel offspring. Whcih means that EVERY CLASS came about from 2 instances, rogue, warrior, sorcerror, sorceress, necro, barb, pally, assasin, druid, witch doctor, wizard, monk ectectect came from TWO PEOPLE which means that they all must have had all the poiwers (or atleast half each, coming form 2 people) to be able to diversify, they couldve chosen any aspect of there power and went with that group.
You're the one who's stating they all have the same powers, not me. I said it isn't possible for them to have all the powers. Because they came from Angels & Demons and not every Angel and Demon would have the same powers as others.
So I have this idea for the 5th Class, its quite close to other people's ideas as its a Bard. But instead of making him the Jack-Of-All-Trades kind of guy. I made him pretty different. Its actually a post I made in a different thread. But here it is
So these are the 3 Skill Trees that the Bard focuses on. In my Bard idea he uses a Sword/Dagger, Bow, and any instrument.
The Entertainer
Focuses heavily on:
Buffs for the party
Some form of healing
Aura esque abilities
The Adventurer
Focuses heavily on:
Gadgets (traps and such)
Exotic Abilities (like splinter arrow and etc)
Chemical bombs (he travels a lot so he'd find a lot of weird things)
The Minstrel
Focuses heavily on:
Debuffing the enemy
Demoralizing the enemy
Confusing and stunning the enemy
Well that's my idea for the Bard. He needs to have some form of magic or powers to effect the monsters of Sanctuary and the Burning Hells. But he doesn't focus on it, instead he releases them in his Music. I also decided to create the Trees more into what the Bard does and represents rather than the weapons he uses. The Instrument could be left out as a weapon but I thought of keeping it in some form not as a cliche but to add depth of what skills you would need and what secondary weapon you want to carry with you, whether use the sword or bow. If it does hinder customization then it can be left out.
Lol dude, didn't mean to offend man. I was actually serious with the first 2 questions. So do the Inca Hunters fight CQB? From what you said "Inca Hunter (With Ranged)" Or something like that sounded like they don't fight with ranged weapons.
I've been seeing a lot of idea for a Bard here lately. So I thought of giving it a go and thinking of my own idea for the Bard. Also, I haven't played Sierra's D1 Xpansion, so I don't know how they created their Bard. Plus I haven't read the Bard's Wikia.
The Entertainer
Focuses heavily on:
Buffs for the party
Some form of healing
Aura esque abilities
The Adventurer
Focuses heavily on:
Gadgets (traps and such)
Exotic Abilities (like splinter arrow and etc)
Chemical bombs (he travels a lot so he'd find a lot of weird things)
The Minstrel
Focuses heavily on:
Debuffing the enemy
Demoralizing the enemy
Confusing and stunning the enemy
Well that's my idea for the Bard. He needs to have some form of magic or powers to effect the monsters of Sanctuary and the Burning Hells. But he doesn't focus on it, instead he releases them in his Music. I also decided to create the Trees more into what the Bard does and represents rather than the weapons he uses. The Instrument could be left out as a weapon but I thought of keeping it in some form not as a cliche but to add depth of what skills you would need and what secondary weapon you want to carry with you, whether use the sword or bow. If it does hinder customization then it can be left out.
This only proves my point. You say they all have to follow there ancestry. There all of the SAME anscestry, there isnt any different ones, ALL Naphalem came from the reproduction of a demon with an angel, which resulted in a single anscestry. It also proves my point that each must have followed a diferent road. Rathma, followed the roots of a necromancer, and his decendants are necros. Bul'Kathos followed the roots of what wouldbe a barbarian, and his decendants were. Esu folllowed the paths of what would be the sorceress, and her decendants were.
All 3 of them came from ONE act, the mating of demon and angel, making them all the same. If there all the same, howd each go down a different branch? They all have the same powers, untill they decide to follow one branch. So if there was any of the original nephalem that never diversified, there dilluted powers would have no specification, resulting in a normal mortal, so by theory, every human that isnt a specified diablo class could just be a nephalem that didnt turn itself into an individual class like Rathma, Bul, or esu.
I get your point, but what I was pointing at when I went to the Wikia was that they weren't born will all those powers. Of course they came from the Demons and Angels, but not every angel and not every demon had the same power. Meaning Bul may not have Esu's power while Rathma may not have Bul's and vice-versa.
Plus what you're saying would make any human a playable class. Another point of mine;any human now would still need a form of culture to learn anything. They could study their powers on their own, but that would turn it into almost anything. Meaning, he may or may not be a jack-of-all-trades. He may also form his own branch of the nephalem powers. Other than that, its also deviating from the goal that blizzard wants to make every class unique! They give you the name of the class you know what it can do. Not someone who could do a little bit of everything.
(The last Paragraph is kind of off topic and only my own idea of the Bard)
If I wanted a Bard esque character to come out with the Goal of Blizzard in it. He wouldn't have magic, but he could use a bow, a sword, and a musical instrument. The Instrument would be for his debuffs, while the bow and sword would be for his other abilities. It conflicts with the Witch Doctor in some respects; the Witch Doctor is about confusion, while my idea of the Bard is into musically stunning/confusing/debuffing the enemy. While he could use his bow or sword to attack the enemy.
The knight is unlikely. Blizzard mentioned that the Barbarian is the Tank. As well as having major Barbarian Offensiveness. Plus there's already a Monk, which has really high and deadly offense, but low hp&def.
But think about it, how did all the classes diversify if they didnt all have the ability in the first place. If the nephalem didnt have necromanct, sorceror, and barbarial skills from the get, they couldve never developed into those classes anyway. My gess was the had all the abilities form the start, chose a fork in the road, and as the class they chose became more developed, they lost the skills they disnt use, slo a general nephalem class would have all the skills from birth, just never the ability to develop itself due to the worldstone.
Not exactly dorge. Not every Nephalem had every power, they were still dispersed and they were dependent on their ancestry. I'll name a few which are in the Wikia.
Rathma (Real name Linarian)
Son of Lilith and Inarius
Creater of the Priests of Rathma, also known as the Necromancers.
Bul'Kathos
Creater of the Barbarians
Here is a quote on him from the Wikia
"Steeped in mystery and tradition, these people refer to themselves as the "Children of Bul-Kathos", the great and ancient king. To better protect their lands from outside forces, they adopted a nomadic lifestyle, frequently moving within the confines of the Steppes and maintaining few permanent settlements. Isolating themselves from the world outside their territories, they eschew the use of magics and complex machinery, as they believe these things can only weaken their resolve developed over so many years." "The Children of Bul-Kathos have developed a kinship with the land and have learned to harness the primal energies within nature to enhance their own substantial physical prowess. It is because of this, together with their freedom from the trappings of the outside world, that the Western Kingdoms have historically referred to these tribes as "Barbarians", an epithet that belies the rich cultural and spiritual history these people truly possess. Although some trade with these curious bands of nomads, they do so only along the outermost borders of their lands. All intrusions into the territory surrounding Mount Arreat are forbidden, and warriors from the northern tribes are quick to thwart any incursions. Every foreign attempt at conquest has been met with fierce and decisive resistance.''
Esu
The Creator of the Sorceresses.
This being said, they didn't all have the power but only some form. Thus even now the Humans, after regaining some form of power, still need to be integrated into a culture to learn. The Bard, again, is a good idea for the fact he travels. But any other human who has not traveled and learned of the many cultures would not benefit at all. He would have a different form or have none at all, for he learns without a guide or teacher in any art.
Yea kindof, its tstill smei related while we were talking abaout the classes we think fit the last piece of the puzzle, we just got into denfending our individual perspectives.
I know, we're not off topic. Well now we are, lol. But I was just saying we've been going at it for awhile now.
Now, if you want him back based on a minority view, because of his archetypical importance to complete the characters, my only argument is that he is really too similar to the Monk in many ways and both would have to be reworked to fit him in (the Monk is a heavy mix of the Assassin and Paladin in my opinion).
Exactly! They are to similar, I think that's why people keep asking for the Paladin back instead. They don't want the Monk in the game. I think what Blizzard is getting at with the Monk though is trying make the difference gap between the Holy Class and Barb bigger. Thus really representing the Holy Class as a melee and deadly character. Like the Paladin was, the difference is now is that he just doesn't have a high defense and hp. Which I don't mind, it adds a new form of thinking to the class.
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Well all the "bring back the Pally" posts and threads I've been reading talk about wanting him back because of what he represents, of what they feel would be missing without a class of his stature. I've not seen one mention anything about wanting him back because of the way his skills are currently implemented.
What you're talking about is the "flavor players" who I don't even count for anything really because, they just play what's efficient and don't really care about the integrity of this game or this series.
I believe the monk represents what they ask for too. They just want the Pally back so much they can't seem to see it. The only difference is that the Monk is not a Knight. We all see a Knight to be a protector because of how they're normally shown to be. Besides, there's not much lore into the Monk as of now. Currently its difficult to argue over the feel of the Monk and Paladin, as the Paladin is complete and the Monk isn't.
As for the "Flavor Players" there's a lot of em in the Battle.net forums.
The Jack-of-All-Trades Class is nice, but not to my liking. I can see where Dorge is getting about the Nephalem. Most likely that would be included into the lore and story of D3, I haven't read the books (don't own any) But I've always been reading about them. If a Jack-of-All-Trades it is, then he's best not having the abilities of the other classes. Especially not the Character's signature moves like Whirldwind/Exploding Palm/etc. Plus he is an ordinary person; he doesn't have that much experience in combat. So his fighting style and skills would be very lax and maybe not as brutal. Even with the Power of the Nephalem slowly returning, he's not a student of all and not a master of all. Come to think of it I don't know how he can be a Jack-of-All-Trades unless he's been to the cultures. The Bard is a good example because the Bard travels. But if you're going for someone who's not traveled at all, not integrated into any form of culture or teachings, and just realizing his new found power; he's just as ordinary as anyone.
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These 3 People, Bul Kathos, Esu, and Rathma they weren't born with the skills. They were born with their ability, not every ability, and they were still taught how to use them. Thus gaining the Skills. All the Classes came from their own Society and Order.
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I am stating that there still isn't any possibility they can have ALL the powers. Because the Angels don't share all the powers of the Angels and so do the Demons. Thus even though the Angels and Demons did mate, their powers are still different from the other Offspring of other Angels and Demons
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Well I wanted to try my hand on making some Character Classes. At least the skill trees aren't based on the weapons they use, but more on who they are. Just like the rest of the other D3 Classes that are already out.
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You're the one who's stating they all have the same powers, not me. I said it isn't possible for them to have all the powers. Because they came from Angels & Demons and not every Angel and Demon would have the same powers as others.
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So these are the 3 Skill Trees that the Bard focuses on. In my Bard idea he uses a Sword/Dagger, Bow, and any instrument.
The Entertainer
Focuses heavily on:
Buffs for the party
Some form of healing
Aura esque abilities
The Adventurer
Focuses heavily on:
Gadgets (traps and such)
Exotic Abilities (like splinter arrow and etc)
Chemical bombs (he travels a lot so he'd find a lot of weird things)
The Minstrel
Focuses heavily on:
Debuffing the enemy
Demoralizing the enemy
Confusing and stunning the enemy
Well that's my idea for the Bard. He needs to have some form of magic or powers to effect the monsters of Sanctuary and the Burning Hells. But he doesn't focus on it, instead he releases them in his Music. I also decided to create the Trees more into what the Bard does and represents rather than the weapons he uses. The Instrument could be left out as a weapon but I thought of keeping it in some form not as a cliche but to add depth of what skills you would need and what secondary weapon you want to carry with you, whether use the sword or bow. If it does hinder customization then it can be left out.
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The Entertainer
Focuses heavily on:
Buffs for the party
Some form of healing
Aura esque abilities
The Adventurer
Focuses heavily on:
Gadgets (traps and such)
Exotic Abilities (like splinter arrow and etc)
Chemical bombs (he travels a lot so he'd find a lot of weird things)
The Minstrel
Focuses heavily on:
Debuffing the enemy
Demoralizing the enemy
Confusing and stunning the enemy
Well that's my idea for the Bard. He needs to have some form of magic or powers to effect the monsters of Sanctuary and the Burning Hells. But he doesn't focus on it, instead he releases them in his Music. I also decided to create the Trees more into what the Bard does and represents rather than the weapons he uses. The Instrument could be left out as a weapon but I thought of keeping it in some form not as a cliche but to add depth of what skills you would need and what secondary weapon you want to carry with you, whether use the sword or bow. If it does hinder customization then it can be left out.
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I get your point, but what I was pointing at when I went to the Wikia was that they weren't born will all those powers. Of course they came from the Demons and Angels, but not every angel and not every demon had the same power. Meaning Bul may not have Esu's power while Rathma may not have Bul's and vice-versa.
Plus what you're saying would make any human a playable class. Another point of mine;any human now would still need a form of culture to learn anything. They could study their powers on their own, but that would turn it into almost anything. Meaning, he may or may not be a jack-of-all-trades. He may also form his own branch of the nephalem powers. Other than that, its also deviating from the goal that blizzard wants to make every class unique! They give you the name of the class you know what it can do. Not someone who could do a little bit of everything.
(The last Paragraph is kind of off topic and only my own idea of the Bard)
If I wanted a Bard esque character to come out with the Goal of Blizzard in it. He wouldn't have magic, but he could use a bow, a sword, and a musical instrument. The Instrument would be for his debuffs, while the bow and sword would be for his other abilities. It conflicts with the Witch Doctor in some respects; the Witch Doctor is about confusion, while my idea of the Bard is into musically stunning/confusing/debuffing the enemy. While he could use his bow or sword to attack the enemy.
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Inca Hunter? We're they melee? Will the Incans be in Sanctuary? Is that why they disappeared from the real world? OMG!
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The knight is unlikely. Blizzard mentioned that the Barbarian is the Tank. As well as having major Barbarian Offensiveness. Plus there's already a Monk, which has really high and deadly offense, but low hp&def.
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Not exactly dorge. Not every Nephalem had every power, they were still dispersed and they were dependent on their ancestry. I'll name a few which are in the Wikia.
Rathma (Real name Linarian)
Son of Lilith and Inarius
Creater of the Priests of Rathma, also known as the Necromancers.
Bul'Kathos
Creater of the Barbarians
Here is a quote on him from the Wikia
Esu
The Creator of the Sorceresses.
This being said, they didn't all have the power but only some form. Thus even now the Humans, after regaining some form of power, still need to be integrated into a culture to learn. The Bard, again, is a good idea for the fact he travels. But any other human who has not traveled and learned of the many cultures would not benefit at all. He would have a different form or have none at all, for he learns without a guide or teacher in any art.
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I know, we're not off topic. Well now we are, lol. But I was just saying we've been going at it for awhile now.
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Exactly! They are to similar, I think that's why people keep asking for the Paladin back instead. They don't want the Monk in the game. I think what Blizzard is getting at with the Monk though is trying make the difference gap between the Holy Class and Barb bigger. Thus really representing the Holy Class as a melee and deadly character. Like the Paladin was, the difference is now is that he just doesn't have a high defense and hp. Which I don't mind, it adds a new form of thinking to the class.
I believe the monk represents what they ask for too. They just want the Pally back so much they can't seem to see it. The only difference is that the Monk is not a Knight. We all see a Knight to be a protector because of how they're normally shown to be. Besides, there's not much lore into the Monk as of now. Currently its difficult to argue over the feel of the Monk and Paladin, as the Paladin is complete and the Monk isn't.
As for the "Flavor Players" there's a lot of em in the Battle.net forums.
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