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    posted a message on help with graphics card choice... and introduction
    Quote from "Daemaro" »
    Which part wasn't a personal attack?

    The part where you assumed everyone from Geeksquad (where he works) knew nothing and got paid too much?

    Or the part where you actually said:

    He could of been more helpful in his first post, but he's not at work, he gave the OP a few ideas of what to look for.

    On the other hand YOU came in and made it your prerogative to make a personal slight against him and where he works.

    Lesson learned for you?

    Fair enough. Conversation is over.
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    posted a message on help with graphics card choice... and introduction
    Quote from "TH3N00S3" »
    Yes this can be dropped...but I am not gonna be the only one to walk away with a lesson....I think you should chill when it comes to your responses and I am saying this not to start more arguing but I have taken my verbal bombardment from you, and now it is your turn. Don't disrespect someone with good intentions....you doing so was just as reckless as me being vague in my response. I never once took a personal shot at you, simply because I don't know you..and even if you do not like the place that I work that is your opinion..and so be it..but don't vilify me for working there. I don't believe in judging somebodies character unless you really know them. you saying you know me and what type of person I am by the way I post to one thread..is like me saying I know how you are..and then boom fire off with the stereotypes...hmm his name is spanish bard he is from spain I bet...hmm probably likes bull fights...hmm....he is quick to jump the gun with his accusations..hmm must have a short temper..probably is the type of guy who punches a whole through a wall for his anger issues...hmm his self esteem must be low so he makes up for it by putting others down. see that wouldn't have been cool would it? In any case this discussion is over with...THE END :thumbsup:
    That was actually a personal attack. I simply degraded the qualifications of the Geek Squad, totally different. Your response is extremely immature. Because you've lost this arguement, you're attempting to low blow me with the "anger issue stuff" You sir, have just made an ass out of yourself. By the way, the geek squad comment was a stereotype.. STEREOTYPE. Since when is a stereotype an individual assessment. It's a broad sometimes ignorant judgement with ALWAYS exceptions. You have however just confirmed, you are not an exception. Could you point out where I judged your character? That would make this lovely conversation alot more easier.

    Quote from "Daemaro" »
    Which part wasn't a personal attack?

    The part where you assumed everyone from Geeksquad (where he works) knew nothing and got paid too much?

    Or the part where you actually said:

    He could of been more helpful in his first post, but he's not at work, he gave the OP a few ideas of what to look for.

    On the other hand YOU came in and made it your prerogative to make a personal slight against him and where he works.

    Lesson learned for you?

    No lesson learned for me. Sorry. Your lack of comprehension of the subject is annoying. Emphasizing on the word "you" is taking a stereotype out of context. So stop taking it out of context. Any reasonable person could understand it wasn't an individual attack. Might I add: Warlord agreed with my comment. So go flame him? I made it my perogative to assist someone with a computer question. However, since thenoose decided to share his credentials. I held him to a higher standard of response than the typical, "I KNOWZ ALOT ABOUTZ CPUS REFORMAT THE HaRD DRIVE". Unfortunately, he had a very useless post. He became offended that I was disappointed in his response.

    Before a moderator jumps in, which I know Elfen already slightly edited a post or two.

    "Geek Squad agent AKA you don't know anything and you over charge people." Confirm that this is a jokingly ignorant stereotype about Geek Squad agents, with an antagonizing tone to it. It is not an individual attack.
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    posted a message on help with graphics card choice... and introduction
    Quote from "TH3N00S3" »
    Slow? I checked new egg and double checked everything before posting it just to make sure the info was as accurate as possible...then I posted what I found....but I guess if trying to get this guy accurate info makes me slow then hey damn...slow and steady always beats fast and reckless.

    Well I'm just glad you put that much effort into your first response without being asked or criticized. Oh wait.....

    Hey you made up for your mistake. Congratulations. This can be dropped now. So for future reference, just spend a little more time on what the requester needs. Not what you prefer. Ok? Lesson learned, case closed.
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    posted a message on help with graphics card choice... and introduction
    Quote from "Daemaro" »
    I myself have had problems with Geeksquad, but you crossed the line saying he's overpayed and knows nothing.

    The opening post didn't provide any such information on money constraints or on whether or not he had SLI compatibility.

    I made a stereotype about Geeksquad employees. This is a reflection on the geek squad. This wasn't an individual attack. So drop it. Second, an illiterate person asking for advice is not going to list every crucial piece of information. It's the job of a competent person to effectively get that information. TheNoose failed in his first post.

    Maybe you're having a bad night or something, I don't know.

    But at the time there was no need to trounce in on your high horse and boot him in the face because he works at Geeksquad.

    He didn't say "STAND BACK NOOBS! IM A GEEKSQUAD AGENT!"

    He simply mentioned he worked for Geeksquad, and while working for Geeksquad the best cards he has seen are what he listed.
    Right I know what he posted. It just wasn't very helpful. Hence: helpful. All I requested is that he be more elaborate, because he failed to be. This isn't alot to ask. You can tell alot by a persons post. Especially when you're discussing a very specific topic. It just so happens he doesn't impress me. End of story. It's a rather waste to go on and on. If the thread-maker decides he needs more assistance, I hope the appropriate people will give appropriate responses.
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    posted a message on help with graphics card choice... and introduction
    Quote from "TH3N00S3" »
    So if I am so lazy then why did I go to new egg to double check the prices before I gave them to him SpanishBard?.....If I didn't care and if I was too lazy then I wouldn't have done so..I would have just put anything down. Looks now like your contradicting yourself.

    Actually you made a post with no information, no prices, he then asked you for the prices, then I said you were lazy for not posting the prices. Then... you posted the prices... Slow much? Had you listed random prices, you would have had 5 PC enthusiasts mocking you. It's only logical that you actually look them up.

    You seem like the kind of guy where reformatting the HDD is the answer for every problem.
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    posted a message on help with graphics card choice... and introduction
    Because other wise it's a useless post with useless information.

    I need a computer.

    Well, might I recommend a 1200 W PSU starting at 300...

    But... My budget is only $300.

    Oh... Well then, might I suggest two Geforce 7600 cards with SLI.

    But... my motherboard doesn't support SLI.

    Do you see how unhelpful this kind of crap is? He wanted to brag about his credentials as an IT professional. Then in my opinion he provides a very unelaborate lazy post. All I asked from him is that if he wants to talk about his credentials, I expect a bit more out of him. This is being handled in a PM though.

    Since it's very obvious there is a large miscomprehension. I was taking a shot at the Geek Squad mainly. Which, had any of you had experience with them, may share my opinions.
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    posted a message on Im lookin for good games to play.
    Yeah no problem. Don't be tricked though. Alot of these games if you still havn't gotten a good idea of the gameplay, you can actually just youtube the game. There are always gameplay videos for almost every game.

    In most cases you'll be like wow, this game looks really fun, I can't wait to download it. once you do download it you'll find out the game is pretty crappy. I'll let you learn that lesson for yourself though.
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    posted a message on Im lookin for good games to play.
    http://www.onrpg.com/boards/

    This website is one of the biggest resource of Online RPG games on the internet. It lists at least 50 games. Gives a brief description on most of them. The most popular online RPG games are:

    Ragnarok Online
    Flyff
    Maplestory

    Most of these free online games have Cash Shops. They're mainly popular in the asian market. I'd say from experience there are no free games worth downloading.
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    posted a message on help with graphics card choice... and introduction
    Quote from "TH3N00S3" »
    ..I don't appreciate the fact that you try to take a shot at me for helping someone. First off don't tell me I am not helpful, I helped him by giving him a heads up about the best two graphics cards, in my personal and professional opinion...and mentioned them to him so he could look them up and check them out. As far as my companies prices..I do not neither agree with them nor do I like charging them, but it is my job. If you also noticed I said that I hoped that I helped a little.....I wouldn't mind taking the time to run down specs but after dealing with a average of25- to 30 customers and there computers a day I need a break at the end of the night. So don't talk shit to me if you don't truly know me..especially not over the internet. That is the lowest thing you can do is disrespect somebody whom you do not know based off your ignorance. I work very hard every day at my job. I don't benfit from charging the high prices best buy does...I make 10 dollars an hour.
    Don't justify your laziness with how tired you are. As a professional you would understand that the details needed in assisting someone with a computer sale is:
    • Preference of manufacturer.
    • Budget
    • Minimum requirements
    • Compatibility(Motherboard? Crossfire - SLI)
    • Upgradability
    So to see someone of your skill set, ineffectively trying to give advice to someone deserves some form of cricism. I understand you're just trying to help. You have experience, and that experience has lead you to recommend certain cards. However, playing off of your own priorities without understanding his preferences or limits is a very lazy way to give advice. My snaps at you are conclusive stereotypes that I have about Best Buy in general and the geek squad. Geek Squad Employees don't always have the qualifications to help people. As I've seen in alot of cases. So, my judgement of them, combined with your lack of motivation to assist Crazy only reinforces some of my opinions.
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    posted a message on help with graphics card choice... and introduction
    Quote from "CrazyMasterT" »
    i at least want a good 512mb video card.... and could i ask you spanishbard do you think the quad processor can handle unreal tournament 3... ive heard it can overclock to 4.7 ghz and to me thats pretty freakin amazing.... but yes i believe the mother board is SLI compatible... any more info?

    want to be prepared to launch diablo 3 to the best of its abilities.... I cant wait!

    Well looking at the UT3 requirements it says Dual Core 2.4 dual core recommended. Your q6600 is a quad core 2.4, so I'd assume it will manage just fine. I'm a bit ashamed, but I've never actually over clocked anything, nor have I immersed myself into the world of overclocking. I agree with Warlord about the 8800gt 512mb being a good deal. Running these in SLI should be reasonable for most of the games to come out in the next couple of years.


    Quote from "TH3N00S3" »
    I get descent pay...it could be better but I am happy for now. As far as the job specs, they usually want you to be at least a+ certified...but if you have a good knowledge of computers like me, then sometimes that is all it takes. The 9800 gx2 ranges any where from 280 to 450 dollars, it depends on the manufacturer whether it is PNY, BFG, EVGA, and etc. it just all depends....Now for the 8800 gt oc....it is about 180 dollars, give or take.

    Well when I was offered a job at Best Buy in that department, I was actually offered about $8 an hour. So I assume that's about how much he makes, maybe up to $10/hr. In my opinion, the geek squad is hugely over-rated.
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    posted a message on Diablo 3 Multiplayer To Be Encouraged
    Quote from "USNSEALs" »
    Whoa, Equinox... lot of hostility from you lately and short answers.
    What happened to the Equinox I originally saw post?

    OK, 1200 was all the bills + ISP. Whoa, buddy... 1200 for ISP?
    I come from Chicago - the neighborhood I grew up in you ate every few days, and it wasn't something enjoyable either. $400 goes a long ass way for 4 people.

    1,600 between 4 = 400 = 240 left for each person at the end of every month
    Not bad when you're 16
    Put %ages in if you want. I'm not on CNN in a life or death argument.
    Either way, we were saving a nice amount of money for 20 hour work weeks doing retail.

    Quote from "USNSEALs" »
    ISP costing 1200

    I figured that was insanely high. Then I thought, well I don't know his age, so maybe that pricing was a decade ago when internet wasn't as accessible. It makes more sense now.

    I don't really believe the eat every few days, oh well. I know the exact amount isn't really important. Though, you're still not calculating taxes. As that immediately steals %20 of your gross. Which actually places your combined profits of $2080. Whatever though. I believe you had some spare change.
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    posted a message on help with graphics card choice... and introduction
    Quote from "TH3N00S3" »
    I am a Geek Squad agent at best buy..I can tell you that there are two cards you should look into the Nvidia 9800 gx2, or the Nvidia 8800 gt oc.....the 9800 gx2 is the most powerful one on the market, and the 8800 is a good all around card especially if you get two and run them in SLI then you really got some power. I hope I helped you a little in making a decision.

    Geek Squad agent AKA you don't know anything and you over charge people. :P

    For being an agent you don't really help much. Where are the prices/specs of these cards? Did you ask him if his motherboard was even SLI compatible? Type of memory of the cards? How much memory of the cards?

    Nvidia 8800 gt oc comes at around $200.

    9800 gx2 comes around $400-500.

    The 9300 is a lower end card. Nvidia sort of works like this. 000-400 low end :: 500-700 mid range :: 800 + high end. I'm not certain, but I believe the low ends are almost always built into the motherboard? They usually share your system memory, which at times can be a complete hog of resources. I would update your card. I'm not really enough of a PC enthusiast to provide a detailed listing of what cards to go with. I know goodguy is extremely computer savy with this kind of stuff. PM him to get his opinion!

    Crazy what is your budget for everything? For a graphics card?
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    posted a message on Diablo 3 Multiplayer To Be Encouraged
    Quote from "Equinox" »
    How bad or not the lag is subjective, but I always hear Hardcore players saying that surviving the lag is a part of Hardcore. If lag is so bad that it affects Hardcore gameplay, there is a problem, and it also accepts the majority of players.

    Another example is StarCraft. It lags in a different way, it doesn't "black out" like Diablo does, leaving you totally clueless of what's going on. Or make it so that you have to wait 5 minutes before selling something. And that's in solo multiplayer games.

    I played Lan Diablo II games, the lag is nowhere near as comparable. It's not me, it's the server. I don't know where it comes from or why people get it or not get it, but it's there, and, because of it, you cannot say that SP DII = MP DII in a private game.

    OT: and why did you stop replying to my PM's?

    Well as I stated before, maybe things have changed dramatically in the last year. I've never had such issues. I could see hardcore being a problem, for there are problems where the lag could potentially kill you. I guess I didn't think of it from a HC aspect. The laggiest part in the game is with Baal's minions from what I remember.

    OT (what's OT?) Sorry, I will get right on the PMs. It just takes so much concetration for me to type e-mails or PMs to people. I sort of stress myself out typing them. You know me, always trying to figure out what to say. Expect 8 pages tomorrow :P

    <3
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    posted a message on Diablo 3 Multiplayer To Be Encouraged
    Quote from "USNSEALs" »
    Vladdracul, what's 640 x 4?

    You still don't add up very well.

    $400 on food for 4 people? I highly highly doubt everyone lived off of $3.33 for food everyday.

    20hrs
    X $8/hr
    X 4 weeks in a month
    %20 in taxes
    $520 that you earn in 30 days.

    300 for ISP(1,200/4)
    +150 AT least for food
    450

    $520 your earnings
    -450 your costs
    $70

    70$ left over not including any of your rent/utilities/extra activities?

    Still doesn't add up very well. You spend more than you earn. I'm not sure where your math is.

    Quote from "Equinox" »
    Can we please cut it out with this idiocy?

    The lag is Bnet-based. It's Blizzard's Lag. It's the server lag. IT'S NOT THE GODDAMN ISP ALREADY.

    I havn't played Diablo II for several months. I don't remember there being much lag, if any. That was just from my experience. Maybe they've lessened their support for the game. The way you talk about the lag though, it sounds like it's much more of a burden for you than most people. Maybe you should be a little more acceptive of the possibility that it's a network thing on your side. I think that's a reasonable thing to suggest.

    Quote from "Choad_Sac" »


    I cant believe, and am quite impressed truthfully, that blizzard still pays for WC, SC, and D2 servers to operate when those games havent delivered any real revenue in years.

    You do realize Diablo II and Starcraft are still one of the top selling retail games? That is REAL revenue. As of Jan 2006 Starcraft is the #3rd best selling PC game EVER selling 8 million units. As of May 2007, Starcraft has sold 9.5 million copies globally. That's 1.5 million units sold in a year and a half or so. So.. yeah.. wrong. Sources:
    http://www.playnoevil.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/1252-Starcraft-Total-Sales-How-long-is-the-Long-Tail.html
    http://www.gamefactsheet.com/home.php?id=bestselling_pc_games_ever
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft

    For me, multiplayer is one of the most addictive aspects of Diablo II. If I actually look at the game as a whole, it's really not that great of a game. It's a very simplistic limited experience. Multiplayer opens up an entire realm of possibilities. Co-Op is one of the only things that has kept me playing Diablo II for as long as I did. Single player would bore the hell out of me. The length of the game is very very short.
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    posted a message on Thoughts
    Quote from "DesmondTiny" »
    No offense, but this is sort of a spammy thread. It holds no real discussion value beside minor interpretations of a word. Which is why I suggest it be moved to the Spam area.


    The point has yet to be explained, you seem a bit confused. I'll forgive you this time.


    Well I'll be expecting a major twist to the mysteries of this thread.
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