This is a copy of a post i made on the original d3 forums. But i believe it would also have it's function on one of the largest d3 fan community sites.
The intro:
As all of you know, alot of people have begun crafting stuff for other people when they in some way or another get their hands on a rare craftable recipes. The items used are most obviously helm of command & Seven sins, but other stuff as well eg. the grand exalted armors/weapons. After patch 1.0.legendary buff, they will most certainly also start crafting the legendary weapons for you as well.
The method:
If you have not already realised by now. With all the the forum posts that has people selling quite hilarious amounts of these have started popping up. The scam goes as follows:
1) Crafter buy/finds the desired recipe or gets it from a friend
2) He (and possibly friends) pool their money and craft an arbitrary number here called X, where they don't have to care about stats.
,3) The crafter puts up a forum post where he for a very small fee (often 30-40k so it doesn't sound weird...) will craft it "especially" for you because he is such a nice guy. *gasp*!
4) Crafter crafts 1 or more items for people, always handing out from the worst of the total pool that he has previously crafted to the person paying, so he won't get "bad rep" for withholding an item.
5) Repeat 4 untill you have made X items with decent enough stats for Forum mass sale, good stats for GAH or godly stats for RMAH.
6) Sell all the items for new starting gold + real gold
7) Enourmous profit
8) Goto 1, but since you had profit in 7, x can be higher in the succeeding round
The arguments:
So how is this a "scam" you might ask, and your further response might be "because all i see is a smart guy making a profit", and yes to a degree you are correct. Except you did not get what you payed for, you did not get a fresh roll for your mats + your fee on the desired item. You got a badly rolled item (or atleast so bad that the crafter deems it not worth his time to sell it), and he gets a new roll + profit for his time! "But the fee is low, so you can't complain", oh yes i can because the deal was inherently broken. The deal was not "For fee + your mats, you get worst crafted item in my inventory", how many of you would do this deal?
Heck, me and my friends even thought about buying a recipe for the group, and do it because it is VERY easy to do once you got starting gold for it.
The solution:
Permanently:
So how to solve this so people won't be able to do this scam easily. Easy, make it so that whenever an item is crafted it is linked in the chat window to the players in the game you are currently in as "[playername] crafted [itemlink]" and the trader wont be able to hand you off his badly rolled items, since you can keep track of what your mats was actually used for.
The other solution and more secure solution is to make a specific trading window for crafting, where the buyer inputs the right mats + gold (minimum gold would need to be the amount needed for crafting with no upper limit) in the trading window, the crafter then selects which item and once both pushes accept the buyer gets the item rolled directly to his own inventory. (Think enchanting from WoW, but even more elaborate)
tempoary:
Untill blizzard fixes this blatant stupidity, the only solution would be to have the crafter be on a livestream so that you can monitor his crafting process.
Please do realise that the permanent solutions, most likely will make the crafting fee's rise to level's that are not "i am Mr. nice guy and i will scam you hard"-levels. Also this will most likely heighten the amount of "resource" scammers that just steal your mats outright, but then we can atleast give them bad rep and noone will trade them mats. As the problem with the current situation is that the scammers get good rep for perhaps handing out a decent/good item for every 100 sellable items he rolls.
The TL;DR:
Currently blacksmith crafting is a major albeit legal scam, where you for your mats and gold get a previously crafted items to allow the crafter to try for better rolls, which he will eventually sell for very high prices on forum, GAH or RMAH. Blizzard could easily solve it by adding all crafted items figure in the chatwindow, or do a specialized crafting trade window where only gold is transfered.
If you want you can go search on the EU forum for my post and uprate it so they might actually make a solution for this, or you can just consider yourself warned from this (although very obvious) scam.
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Jun 16, 2012TheScalpel posted a message on Blacksmith scam, the warning...Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
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Exogen posted a message on Hey There Belial [Song lyrics]Hey there BelialPosted in: Diablo III General Discussion
What's it like in Caldeum City ?
Hell's a thousand miles away
But man you sure do own this city
Yes you do
Diablo can't hit as hard as you
I swear it's true
Hey there Belial
Don't you worry about the distance
I'm right there for you to smash me
Give this man another beating
Lord of Lies
Throw me up into the skies
It's no surprise
Oh, what'd you do to me
Oh, what'd you do to me
Oh, what'd you do to me
Oh, what'd you do to me
What'd you do to me ?
Hey there Belial
I know you are getting bored
But just believe me, man
Someday I'll throw you out of the bazaar
When I am good
You'll bite the dust just like you should
Oh, if I could...
Hey there Belial
So many repair bills to pay
If every simple note I sang to you
Would take your life away
I'd sing it all
From very high above you'd fall
I'd have it all
Oh, what'd you do to me
Oh, what'd you do to me
Oh, what'd you do to me
Oh, what'd you do to me
What'd you do to me ?
A thousand times in this Bazaar
I've died and died it's gone too far
I'll come to you and take your life away
My friends just all make fun of me
And I'm raging hardcore because I know
That none of them have felt this way
Belial I can promise you
That by the time that we get through
Your world will never ever be the same
And you're to blame
Hey there Belial
You stay there and don't you leave me
Two more tries and I'll be done with you
And you'll be just a bad memory, think it's due
You know it's all because of you
I can do whatever I want to
Hey there Belial here's to you
This one's for you
Oh, what'd you do to me
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Oh, what'd you do to me
What'd you do to me ?
PS: Sing it to Hey There Delilah from Plain White T's
PPS: If you have musical and vocal skills sufficient to cover this...please, make it happen. -
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Bleu42 posted a message on Builds visible to everyonePosted in: Diablo III General DiscussionQuote from Wolves_
I don't know if people have really noticed this, or if it has been discussed, but I don't think there is a way for you to hide your build order from being copied. Don't you see this as a big problem? What if for example most of the people aren't able to complete inferno, but there is this one guy, who has this awesome build, and is stomping mobs in inferno, what stops people who doesn't understand the game from just stealing builds and being in par with him?
Or maybe my build isn't that awesome, but I don't want it being copied for whatever reason. Maybe I just wanna make sure I'm doing things in unique way or something.
Currently the builds are soo transparent, not just due to the fact that they are displayed for everyone to see in game, but all the skills and runes have different visuals, and everyone can see what rune you are using. Plus this is just a fast way for cookie cutter builds to be polished and become popular.
This bothers me, what do you think?
Of all the things to complain abo...... I don't eve....... What? -
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oneoftheorder posted a message on Builds visible to everyoneThere are two reason I would say this is not a problem. The first is that seeing a build is only step 1; understanding it is step 2 (usually not that hard a step following step 1), but implementing its use effectively is step 3, and just because you can see it and know what you should do doesn't mean you will be good at carrying it out. The other reason is that this game is in no way a competition, so even if people are "cheating off your homework," it doesn't impact you in any way. If you want to be playing by yourself or just with friends, and never even tell anyone outside that group when you beat Inferno w/ your Hardcore unorthodox build, then in all likelihood, no one will even know to look at your build out of the millions of characters.Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
I would say that the game is going to be 60-70% about build + skill (depending on your build, what fraction of that is skill and what fraction is just choice of ability will vary), and 30-40% about gear. Gear can and will be a bottleneck for progression at times, but there are plenty of people you'll be able to hand a perfectly-geared character to who won't be able to get out of act 1 Inferno, certainly not w/o a lot of practice. -
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SFJake posted a message on Builds visible to everyoneI think people that see anything wrong with the basic principle of sharing information and would want it out just to keep anything to themselves is selfish and should be ashamed of themselves.Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion -
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Tenbones posted a message on Builds visible to everyoneI like how people think they will be the only one, out of the millions of players, that are going to come up with that awesome build.Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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