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Youre such a sad sack blizz fanboy you truly believe no amount of evidence could prove blizzard has done wrong. enjoy eating humble pie when blizz follows up with their annoucement detailing the issue.

You have yet to provide evidence. People saying X happened is not evidence. Every professional news site I've read about this issue on uses the words Unconfirmed. If you have evidence of what is happening why are you not providing it? Could it be that you are the hacker responsible?

Insulting me does nothing but bring you closer to a ban from this forum. As I've said multiple times, and you ignore, Blizzard could very well be at fault. But nothing has been proven that they are. A theory is just a theory, and there are other possible explainations for what is happening that doesn't make Blizzard at fault.

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And the blizzard response saying they are giving an update on it shortly is just part of the hoax?

Saying they are invetigating reports of a breach and will comment on it "soon" is in no way a confirmation of a breach. It merely confirms that Blizzard is taking any and all reports of threats seriously even if it is something on the user's side.

Just because gaming sites have people hacked doesn't mean anything other then they got hacked. It could be for various reason. Most of the time when someone gets hacked the automatically blame Blizzard because they think there is no way they could have been hacked otherwise. A gaming site having members hacked could merely mean the way to gain access to the accounts is from popular gaming sites, and not from Blizzard.

I'm not saying that it can't be a problem on Blizzard's end. I'm just saying it isn't the only possible reason. But you seem to be seeing nothing but Blizzard is at fault. Excluding everything else just for your own personal crusade is folly. Its funny you call me myopic when you are the one showing the signs of that.

I'm saying that nothing has been confirmed to be Blizzard and it could be other things. You are saying it is 100% Blizzard and 100% "session ID's" just because it was posted on the internet in a lot of places. Which one is being shortsighted? The one saying more then one thing is possible, or the one saying only one thing is possible?

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So that is whats going on then? A tens of thousands of people are all in on some elaborate hoax to make it look like server side hacks are occurring? Really dude?

Repeating something does not mean its true. Provide something that says there are tens of thousands of confirmed cases of this happening. Just because threads reach post limits or people post on fan sites about it doesn't make it automatically true.

Quote from Senchean

Not necessarily. If they did not require an authenticator code EVERYTIME they log in, then the account could still get hacked.

That really isn't true. Not requiring a Authenticator code every time you log in does nothing to the Security of an Authenticator. Banks use the same "home computer" principle and are secure.

However it is true that someone getting hacked with an authenticator might not be a server side issue. A man in the middle attack is something on the user's computer that intercepts the authentication code and transmits it to the hackers computer, who then logs in to your account. You get an error message saying "service is down" or something to make you think it hasn't gone through.

These types of attack can happen, are are the only known cases of the Authenticator being circumvented. They are harder to pull off though.

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That kind of scale.

That still means nothing. A hoax no matter how large can still be a hoax. Just because people spread it doesn't make it truth.

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I'm concerned my sides will rupture from laughter when you get hacked- keep on playing!

and keep on joining public games too man! why not when 100% safe with that authenticator XFD!

There is no need to start acting like a jerk over something that hasn't even been confirmed to be true yet. Plenty of people could have already had comprimised accounts and the "hackers" are taking advantage of it now that D3 is out. Could there be a threat? Sure. But there is no need to be little people or laugh at them just because they aren't ranting and raving about it.

There are plenty of "stupid" people out there that when hacked don't actually understand what happens or how they can be comprimised. There are also plenty of trolls that respond in affirmative that they to have been hacked (with authenticators) when they really haven't.

If you've followed Blizzard Blue posts for long enough you always see a couple of posts where people report something happening and then the a Blue responds about seeing nothing of the sort happening to that account. Its the internet anything is possible even widespread hoaxes.

Dismissing them completly is folly, unless proven otherwise. The opposie is just as true. Beliving them without proof has just as much folly. Even if Blizzard came out and stated that the problem isn't what people are saying it is, people will still claim otherwise.

If anything I would be more likely to believe a man in the middle attack which would be easy to orchestrate given the frequency of disconnects in the first week and the amount of people that another fake disconnect would fool.

Quote from Alexander.A

4. Payers did get punished by this decision. I.e. the 5 x class sigils are no longer the same value to where they were 1 week ago. Do you agree that if you publishing 6 banners for collection and getting only 5 out of 6 is devaluating / depressing?

The sigil's were always intended to have a period of time where you could gain all of them again. However no I don't think its punishing that I wouldn't have all Sigils. Because I didn't get all Sigils. I don't have any sense of entitlement to anything about the game just because I like the game and have been waiting to play it for years. It doesn't matter how things are distributed.

It makes it all the better for when I do eventually get said rare sigil or another unique reward when its my turn to win. If everyone has it or should have it then what is the point of not making it a base sigil of the game?

Quote from Molster

I mean its all going to come down to opinions in the end of course. But I just feel the beta thing is just out there enough to give it a fair shot to everything. People were already sad they couldnt get in, It just seems like this was kind of a double reward and I see why it bugs them.

Thats what sparked all of this though. It can bug them, that is fine. But a lot of the people in this thread are displaying emotions far beyond "being bugged". When you have people saying blizzard "pissed on them" and wishing others cancer and that sentiment isn't just a few (even if those exact wordings are) people but a whole bunch.

I'm bugged about things all the time. But i'm not going to get upset about it or wish ill to people over it. I missed out, I missed out. A reward wouldn't feel special if it was something everyone could get. Nor would it make sense as a limited reward if anyone could get it. Would CE wings be special if anyone in the game could buy it off a vendor?

Not everyone deserves a reward just because they are a fan. That is what the Mark of Valor promotion was for. A reward for fans of the game. They also decided to award a sigil for Beta testers people that were supposed to spend the length of the beta shaping the game into something both developers and fans will like.

Just as I'm sure they will award one for Blizzcon and likely other Marketting events like the Mt.dew gamer fuel. They could even have world events to do X during that week to unlock a Sigil. The possibilites are endless. But if you only limit the system to everyone has to get a reward unless they can control everything then it will always be a lack luster system.

If RNG reward a sigil for Beta is bad, then RNG leading to rewarding a sigil is equally bad. Because at the base of it is the same concept. It doesn't matter if one happens post-retail, in-game, or anywhere else. Its all RNG offering a reward.

Quote from CasmX

How can you honestly sit there and type that? There's hundreds of thousands of people that wanted into the closed beta that didn't get in. No matter how much they tried, regardless of the competitions they participated in, no matter what they could have done, it was out of their hands. They didn't not have 'direct' control and barely even had a means of influencing the randomization.

They had control over it just like everyone else. They had the same odds as everyone else. You had to choose to do drawings, captions, cartoons, tweets, sign-up lists, photoshops and all the other myraid of things. Just because they weren't guaranteed a reward doesn't mean they had zero control.

You have to play to win.

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It's not that they should be entitled because they are a fan. That's not the point. It's rather that people should be able to have direct influence over the in game rewards they receive. I can respect fans that don't care about and choose to not go after the rewards. However, the few that want said rewards but have no means of obtaining them regardless of how much they may want them, that's what bothers me and that's what I'm debating.

They had direct control. They had to choose to opt-in and choose to enter contests. Just because not every wins doesn't mean they don't have control. It also doesn't mean that everyone has to win when not every can win in order to be fair. The thing is though that not every person has the right to those rewards so it doesn't matter how much they might want them. They don't have a right to them just because they are fans.

A lottery is fair because it gives the same chances to everyone that enters. A lottery doesn't become unfair just because it gives a reward out to people that win but not to everyone that entered. Could Blizzard have given it out to everyone? Sure. Could they have done open beta too? Sure. Is it unfair, or is anyone cheated out of a reward? Nope.

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That's the difference between the 2. In one category, fans had direct control over whether they get their reward or not. In the other category, fans had very little to no control whatsoever.

But why is someone entilted to something just because they are a Fan? Why aren't they entilted to CE rewards? They didn't have direct control over how many copies Blizzard Allocated for their country or local store. Pre-ordering earlier could have got them one, but same thing with Beta and winning a fansite contest.

This all comes down to elitism and entitlement. Why can't their be exclusive rewards? Why must everyone get everything just because?

Quote from Molster

Because people can control if they were following the game before launch. A lot of people couldn't control if they got into the beta. Even after trying multiple contest.

So now its control? Why should all fans get every reward? Why should someone that wants to get something be able to get it? You keep changing the logic you are using and applying it to different cases of the same situation. If the fan deserves the Beta sigil now, why don't they deserve to get the Inferno sigil just because they are a fan?

Exclusive rewards by their very nature mean exclusive. CE, Mark of Valor, and Beta are all the same exact situations of exclusive rewards that exclude some people. They exclude people in different ways but they all have the chance of excluding fans. The problem is that you are creating entirely arbitrary rules for what is proper and what is not. Even when those rules conflict with themselves.

Quote from Molster

Not at all, even with all the keys out there. There was still a VERY limited number compared to how many people wanted in the beta. The class unlock sigils have no end in how many people can get them. If they were following the game, then they got them.

The class Sigils end on the 8th. Anyone after the 8th no matter how big of a fan they are will not be able to get them. How is that fair? You keep changing the parameters for what is fair. First it was because people are excluded. Then it become Hardcore fans are excluded. And now the sole factor in when it is right to excluded people from rewards is "If they followed the game before it launched".

Why is it okay for the line to be drawn at "Following the game before launch" but not at "was in the beta" or any other number of requirements for rewards that Blizzard will have over the years of Dialbo 3's life. Why do hardcore fans or any fan that followed the game before launch mean more then new fans? Or people that missed the week you could unlock them all?

Not everyone has access to a computer 24/7 and might miss out on the sigil's despite following the game for years or being a hardcore fan.

Quote from Molster

A lot of people slacked on CE's and lost out. But they had the chance is the point.

And they had a chance at Beta keys. Both in a lottery from Blizzard and Fan sites. And in non-lottery forms from Blizzard and several fan sites. You are creating a double standard for beta vs CE rewards.

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But that's not even close to the same thing.

That's their own fault if they don't have the class unlock sigils. They could have been reading this site. They could have been following the game sooner.

They had control over missing those sigils. Even if it was due to a lack of knowledge. The people who are missing this sigil, have 100% no control. They are hardcore fans, and there is nothing they can do.

It is still a sigil that not everyone will get to unlock. There were plenty of non-luck ways of getting into the Beta. From twitter, from fan sites, from attending pax east and signing up at the Blizzard booth. You are arbitrarily drawing a line in the sand just because it comes from the Beta rather then another source.

That is illogical and shows how elistist they think they are. Just because they think they are some super fan the deserve every single reward ever given.

Having Class sigils not unlockable after the 8th is just as unfair as having Closed Beta sigils as a reward. Why? Because it excludes people because they didn't meet the requirements. Why does being a hardcore fan make you deserving of everything?

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Wait what? How are people that find joy in collecting all the sigils, and find joy in having all those little things (even if you don't care about them) elitists?

Do you even read your own posts? You said the Hardcore fans are deserving of every reward because they are hardcore fans. That is textbook elitism.

And how could they really want to collect it, if they never knew it existed? If they never even had the chance to collect it?

Quote from Molster

They are by no means whiners, and its a little insulting to call them that. A game that EVERYONE here has been waiting for, and only some get the sigils. The FoS is w/e noone really cares imo. The sigil is what I found odd about this. Giving us something that stands out on our flags that other hardcore fans can never get. (and there was nothing they could do to get it, unlike blizzcons and such).. its an odd move. Im still shocked by it myself.

So FoS, really no big deal
The sigil.. Its.. I dunno. I was surprised thats for sure.

What about all of the people who start playing D3 after the 8th or only learn of the game after the 8th? Because they are in the same boat with the Reveal Sigils. Funny though you don't hear people making a big deal about that, because they personally aren't being excluded from something.

This is nothing new. The CE Sigil, the Reveal Sigil, and the Beta Sigil are all granted exclusive to certain people for doing certain things. Some are luck, some are effort and some are monetary. To cry foul in one case and one case only is why they are whiners. Most of the people have made statements that indicate it is about Beta Testers getting something rather then simply an exclusive Sigil. Few have been about exclusive rewards, but that will be true through out all of D3.

Whats next saying its valid that Blizzard should nerf Inferno because not everyone can beat it to get that sigil? When is it whining?

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There is no reason for the sigil. The only thing it does it makes those same hardcore fans feel left out. They can never get all the sigils like us, even tho they have been following the game for just as long.

So it is about being an elitism in the end. Why should only hardcore fans be reward with class sigils? Why shouldn't everyone that plays the game get the chance to unlock them? Why is it that only "hardcore" fans as you call them are the deserving ones of having everything and anything?

Where do we draw the land onf pandering? You and 99% of the other hardcore fans didn't get a legendary to drop. Its only fair everyone gets it. You and 60% of the hardcore fan's didn't complete Inferno but its only fair that you all get the inferno Sigils/loot/rewards.

You aren't some special snowflake just because you've followed the game for years, or are highly interested in it. You don't deserve something just because you think you deserve it.