No joke there, witch doc is an interesting class I'd love to make it my 2nd or 3rd character, but so many of its skills are just useless.
^a hundred times this^
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Also, anyone notice how in the beta the element enchanted weapons' particle effects are just kinda lame mists? I really REALLY hope they become more intense the higher the actual elemental dmg they provide is or something.
Those two things aside I definitely prefer the current style.
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I can imagine, I didn't get to see the hydras all I've experienced is the laser orbs even those are kinda hairy if you don't have decent gear. Just so long as d3 doesn't have any insta-gib champions like the ole fire enchanted mobs in hell mode. Made this mistake of thinking my HC barb could withstand the death of a fire enchanted ancient in hell difficulty once... never made that mistake again.
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Well you're basing your skill choices of the first 2 hours of act one, but you're wanting a build for nightmare mode and beyond.
Its not that this build wouldn't work I just feel there are other options you could take to solidify it. All in all everything is merely conjecture at this point, we think we know what its going to be like so we are building to counter that. It could turn out to be entirely different from what any of us are expecting and suddenly all the builds we've made so far seem just foolish. I mean shit I've put hours and hours of thought into my build and it could turn out to be total rubbish compared to yours. Who knows.
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If I had take your build and replace your Berserker Fury with some other passive I would choose, with softcore max damage play in mind, Weapon Mastery. Now if you were dead set on keeping Berserker Rage then I would replace sprint with Leap or Furious Charge and call it good so long as you kept Hammer of Ancients to a minimal. The more time you have less than 100% fury the less BR is doing you any good of course.
Of course none of this takes into account what runes you're using or anything.
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Well that is expected but still disappointing.
This build was made with the explicit purpose of choice during combat. I can't tell you how many times in Diablo 2 I felt trapped not just because I was stuck with a single skill set or much more literally in mid whirlwind or Frenzy as doom encroached.
The thing to keep in mind with this build is while stomp is certainly more of an oh shit button than Seismic due to its cooldown it is still an offensive option just as Seismic is. I won't become hesitant with their use until probably late hell and beyond. While it does look like I have 3 'oh shits' 2 of them are dual purpose and still very highly offensive abilities.
As for using Relentless as I said early I won't even hesitate to switch it out over Berserker Rage if I so much as even feel threatened and I probably will certainly switch it out once I reach Hell level.
Now regarding Cleave with an Alabaster Rune you certainly made me think about it a bit, but after thinking about it I think I'll stick with Crimson and here is why;
Crimson Rune(rank 4) benefits: 37% additional dmg to primary and 28% additional damage to all secondary targets over base cleave effect.
Alabaster Rune(rank 4) benefits: 70% chance to explode causing 39% weapon damage to all targets within 13 yards.
Now this is just a hunch and I haven't actually done any math to support my hunch, I was working on some but got into an argument irl and now am too angry to be assed with that now, but I feel like once we reach the later difficulties the higher the number of swings required to down the targets will be around 3-5, assuming you aren't sporting a Grandfather, for regular mobs and a few more for champions and unique monsters. This will give Crimson the advantage in the longer fights where as Alabaster will pull ahead quickly in the shorter fights is what I am inclined to believe. It simply comes down to what are you more concerned about ending quickly; the fodder or the stronger mobs.
It is certainly something to think about and I am really anxious to see how switching a skill's runes is going to play out. As I guarantee tactics will change as gear improves. Using the current example of Cleave once you reach a point where you do enough damage to 2 shot standard monsters regardless of which rune you are using then I definitely agree that using Alabaster rune for at least its effect on standard mobs.
The question is will we be able to switch out runes on our abilities without destroying the previous rune and if you can do it with just a simple teleport to town?
Changing out runes based on if you're fighting a boss or clearing towards one will feel kind of cheap in my opinion. I want to have to make difficult decisions and not just have an easily acceptable counter to any situation just by teleporting to town. Anything less just feels like cheating and I don't play HC to cheat.
Anyway good input, really made me put a bit more in-depth thinking into my build. I still feel like I'm on the right track, but putting extra thought into even the smallest thing is how you stay alive. Hopefully there is more to come!
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Prepare yourself as this will be a massive tl;dr post. Hopefully there are some among you who have the fortitude to make it through this and provide either insight or just simply further discussion.
I'll start of with a general question:
Has Blizzard said whether or not we will have to beat Normal on SC mode prior to being allowed to roll a HC character?
I sure hope not, I planned on taking my time with my first play through and really absorb the lore. If I have to play SC I'll end up just flying through it as fast as possible to get to HC and then pay attention on that play through which will really spoil some of the fun.
Now for my build and goals of the build
Gear Plan:
Weapons
My plan with this Barbarian is to, hopefully, stick with two handed weapons. With the fastest 1-h weapon I've seen being around 1.5 and the fastest 2-h weapon being 1.1 it seems like there just isn't much of a speed difference to really be too terribly punishing. Now granted of course I'm no fool, I won't snub my nose at 1 handed upgrades or even be against using the 'ole sword 'n board against bosses just due to my personal preference of using a big two handed sword or axe.
Armor
Ideally I'll be sticking to armor with loads of Attack and/or Vitality as it's primary stats. I'm not going for crit on this build as with most Hardcore players back in d2 I want stability and security for my primary character. I'll save the flashy stuff for later when I have a stable foundation from which to find my Legendaries.
Rings and Amulets
This is where I hope to get most of my resistances to make it through normal and early nightmare mode. Hopefully by mid to late nightmare I'll have found a couple nice pieces that give me both the Attack and Vitality I crave and some hefty chunks of resists.
Of course this is all assumption that I'll be able to make this work. The main thing to take away from all this is that I am planning on going for mostly Attack and Vitality with maybe a couple pieces that have attack/vitality and defense.
The build itself:
HC Barb Mk IV
Cleave (Crimson Rune) - The main work horse of this build. The choice in runes boiled down to Crimson or Indigo, I chose crimson after some thought. I want this to be where a majority of my damage comes from thus the Crimson rune makes sense. Also, after thinking about it some more the idea of facing Arcane Enchanted mobs in Nightmare or Hell with an Indigo rune is rather terrifying. Last thing I want is to draw all the monsters in directly in front of me and then cleave them to death so all their laser orbs are concentrated right on top of me. Those things hurt like hell in the beta and I don't even want to think about them in Hell and beyond.
Ground Stomp (Obsidian Rune) - As a melee character the last thing you want in later difficulties is to be surrounded. Ground Stomp with the Obsidian rune is intended to be a gap opener for use when things start getting hairy or just general aoe usage when surrounded by many weak enemies. An Indigo rune is also a possibility here, but without being able to test it I'm just going to go with the safer Obsidian rune for now.
War Cry (Alabaster Rune) - With my gear focusing towards Vitality the percentage increase of my maximum life should be quite substantial, and the regeneration is just gravy. With the exception of the Golden and Indigo Runes the other choices are certainly interesting, but its hard to out stage a percentage increase in hp unless you are just in dire need of resistances or armor.
Seismic Slam (Crimson Rune) - Seismic Slam is intended as an second option for when you really need to make some room. If you find yourself surrounded and Ground Stomp isn't enough to clear a hole for you to run through then this is your follow-up. Since it has no cooldown and can be used 3 times with a full rage orb this should be able to get you out of any situation you have even the slightest hope of survival. With the intention of Seismic Slam in this build in mind I see no other plausible rune choice.
Revenge (Golden Rune) - This strikes me as kind of the odd duck of this build as 2 of the abilities of this build are for getting out of situation when you are surrounded and this ability is best used when surrounded. However with the 5% (7.5% with max golden rune) health returned per enemy you hit, assuming its % of your health not % of damage you deal, it just seems too powerful of a sustain to ignore. Even in boss fights where your life leech from your gear is doing work having that 5-7.5% sudden health jump is too good to ignore.
When I first saw this ability I thought the only rune possible for it is the Indigo rune which increased its chance to proc to 32%, currently it says 127% I assume that is a bug however, but after playing the beta and testing the ability it became quite clear that 15% is plenty. In any fight the ability is almost constantly lit up and ready to use, and on top of that it appears the ability also hold charges meaning that after you use it the first time you could potentially immediately use it another time or two. Truly a fearsome ability that, in its current implementation, will probably find its way into every build.
Ignore Pain (Alabaster Rune) - It's an oh shit button... Chose the rune I did because most likely during it's up-time I'll be spamming Seismic slam in an attempt to get the hell out of Dodge. I just have to assume that the life leech from the rune will work on Seismic Slam.
Passives:
Nerves of Steel - Chosen for the synergy with my intention to stack Vitality to give me more effective hp through the damage reduction of defense.
Berserker Rage/Relentless - This is a toss up, with only 1 rage spender to be used in select situations this seemed like the best choice to increase my damage further, but if I find myself getting the crap beat out of me I will probably switch it out to Relentless
Inspiring Presence - More synergy with my intention of stacking vitality and use of War Cry.
If you made it all the way to the bottom pat yourself on the back and then go rest your eyes. Once that is done come back and tell me what you think. I'm dying to theory-craft here but all my friends want to talk about is SWTOR.
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You really think Blizzard would go so far as to sandbagging the beta just to try to convince the beta testers the game wasn't ready yet in an attempt to keep the "truth" of the delay a secret?
That isn't to say the annual pass didn't have some influence on the release date because everything aside Blizzard is still a for profit company they will do whats in their best interest and there is no reason to hide that.
Fact of the matter is this delay has ultimately worked out in our favor in terms of class improvements and game tweaks with the exception of the clunky feeling, in my opinion, of the nephalem altar. Yes, some of the excitement has certainly died down simply due to the fact the bait is no longer right in front of our faces, but that will change in a few more months.
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I had a similar situation occur to me about 2 years ago. I had a dog I'd owned since I was 7, he was 15 when this occurred, killed by the neighbor boy's pit bull he often boasted about teaching to fight to other neighbor kids his own age. I can tell you from experience that the thought of acting on the absolute raw rage feels incredibly gratifying the end result will hardly justify doing so. I got away with what I did simply because this kid was absolute scum and I pulled the his word vs my word to which the cops all too readily accepted. Even now I regret to a degree killing that pit bull in the manner I did. It was the owner's fault he was like he was, he got his too no regrets there however, and I stopped him from possibly hurting a child, but I still feel bad about it.
I've seen 2 of your posts and both of them are equally worthless. I imagine if I looked into your other 30 odd posts I would find more of the same caliber. Its a shame blizzard banned you from the official forums as now we have to deal with you here.
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SOMEONE LIKENED D3 TO WOW?!
RRAWWWAAAAAARARRGH
/2pagearguementstart
Very nice vid
Love seeing that the weapon particle effects are actually varied and very dynamic.
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Pretty sure both I and the other person who quoted you did nothing to change your post. It is, word for word, exactly how you put it and we both responded to it in a way that reflects how we interpreted it. A SC player who maybe tried HC died and now turns his nose up at the mere mention of HC. Now he who "KNOWS" he is a good enough player for hc, but he just doesn't want to play it. Now he comes here with something like:
Sure looks like something you're trying to express as a fact to me and it just isn't true at all. Unless you're telling me on SC people ran headlong into a giant pack of extra strong extra fast cursed fire enchanted lightning enchanted Stygian Dolls on hell mode and fell before them like wheat to the scythe there was hardly a difference at all aside from heavier stat point allocation to vitality. With the exception of the reaction of a sudden player declaring hostility.
Now yes your next point was indeed an opinion, but after the prior point made I was ready to bite any troll bait presented.
Now, I don't think anyone saying they want HC only items are asking for a hardcore only gem that add 70% enhanced damage to their weapons or 30% reduced damage taken to their armor. That kind of lessens the whole point of playing HC. Whats so hardcore about it when you're a walking brick of armor and hp that does as much damage as an entire game full of SC players?
I think what most people want is something to show their accomplishments in game in an obvious way. Sure my banner has 13 skulls with daggers that shoot from the eye sockets as you walk past it in town, but that's just the problem. Its in town and how often have the devs expressed they don't want players to have to spend much time in town. I think hardcore players also get special titles but are those going to show in game? Sure doesn't seem like it; this isn't wow.
I'm not sure what other people have in mind, but I think something as simple as a 1x1 gem that when carried in your inventory gives your character a special, possibly class specific, particle effect. Something that at a glance indicates what difficulty your character has completed, without being overly obnoxious, or something minor such as that.
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Clearly someone who has never played HC but just likes to pretend he did.
Not getting attached to your character?
pffft
I had a level 98 fury druid on HCWL season 2 that I still reminisce about. I can't tell you how he died anymore, but I can tell you exactly what he was wearing when he died and that was like 6+ years ago.
How many times when you died on SC did you feel absolutely crushed maybe even shut the game off and went to bed just to come back and make a new character with the determination to do it better this time?
Hardcore removes exploration from the game?
hahah if you're gonna pretend you played HC at least put more thought into it.
HC encouraged exploration
How many times did you just run past the cave, the pit, level 2 of the underground passage, the hole, and both the crypts in the graveyard? I imagine far more often then the average HC player and that was just in act 1. Now why would a HC player go into these places? The extra experience of course.
With the added threat of death you wanted to make sure your character was as high level as possible before facing any end act boss.... Especially Duriel... that cold aura dick. How did you get that extra experience? By exploring.
The only bad effect I suffered of playing HC that I imagine most players also did that you didn't even mention was an extreme paranoia. Can't tell you how many hell baal runs I would see a necromancer join and would immediately tp out as soon as I saw the first bone spirit cast.
HC Players are a breed apart. I am clearly biased but I fully support HC only drops and the reasoning is obvious. Especially considering HC in Diablo 3 will be even more perilous then in Diablo 2 due to the leave game count down and the 10 second cast town portal.