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Well the point is that with a 3rd party site you would not lose those 1,000/1,500 gold as a seller. As a buyer you will most likely enjoy lower prices because the seller won't have to artificially drive up the prices to counteract the 15% fee. Both win that way. The only thing that gets "lost" along the way is the convenience of the "automated" AH. I like forum interaction and player made D2 shops a lot so for me it's not really inconvenient but maybe even a little bit more fun.

Whatever I said has no bearing for the people that actually like item-to-item or item-to-gold trading on forums. Then you can't discount the lost time selling the items as a negative cost or "lost opportunity". Then it's just a matter of preferences between killing monsters and trading.

But if you don't like selling your items the hard way (haggling and such), you are losing the time it takes to sell an item. Assume you can earn 500 gold an hour. Also assume that price level is 5% cheaper on third party sites for item X.

If it takes the same 30 minutes to sell item X (assuming same numerical example as I used previously), you are losing:
5%/500 gold (reduced price level)
250 gold (30 minutes times 500 gold per hour).

Therefore you get 9250 gold, a 250 gold increase on the RMAH. However, grinding for gold while the auction automatically sells itself has the added bonus of freeing you to play the game, effectively nullifying the minimal gain. But as I said, if someone liked the trading itself, the logical calculation no longer applies.

Of course, all this depends on several variables ($/gold exchange rate, amount of time it takes to make a third-party trade, price level on third-party sites and amount of gold that can be achieved in an hour on average) which I guessed arbitrarily for my example.


All in all, purely logical people will use the AH unless the variables would be unfavorable. However, there will most definitely emerge trading forums for people that actually like trading manually. Will such forums have enough inertia (enough trades) for them to be enjoyable? Hard to say before release.

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You are all forgetting that you can only have 10 auctions running at most. That means that everyone will be prioritizing the good they wish to sell much more, and that botters too will be more interested in selling the heavy priced items like gear and weapons, not crafting materials. Granted you could put up 500 of x crafting material, but they are very easy to undercut, and will be till the point where they are no longer viable for profit.
What botting will create is a lot more competition in the gear department (depending on how well bots fare in inferno, I predict they will do good enough), and a crafting material department not worth entering unless you are a botter yourself. Consider how many people will bot a character to level 60 just to sell it too, that will be big I'm, sure. Botting isn't a good thing, unless you are the only one doing it, or if you find a way to exploit the low prices of crafting material. Something I made hundreds of thousands of gold with, in WoW.

Consider this too; Botters are a fucking great way to make lots of money for blizzard. They produce a much bigger volume of items on AH, meaning more sales. EVERY sale earns Blizz 1.5$, or whatever the currency you are using translates to. Ban waves are great too, they make people believe that they really enforce their "strict no hack policy", but banning botters liberally is a great way to sell CD keys. A good botter will make enough money to buy several keys a week, and a ban will only be a small setback. They can be back in a few days, again producing more goods, more money, and so on.
Blizzard is a company like any other, at the end of the day, money is what matters to them. The shareholders are above the playerbase, that's obvious by now.

I mean D3 doesn't even have a subscription fee damn it! Get 5 cheap keys from russia, farm with all of them at once, 20 hours a day. No one can compete with that.

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you do realize were talking WIDTH and not LENGTH right? two VERY different things. the WIDTH makes sense for its if able to be walked through, LENGTH would make me believe the opposite is true.

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OP has a good point. Now imagine Hardcore Inferno WD. Pets will be 100% necesery. Infact every class will be based on a safe build. And WD has an obvious safe playstyle which is to hide behind the summoned meatshields. Im pretty positive that very few players will dare to test out unconventional safe builds in harcore.

Quote from Ockain

Check out this logic guys:
Nov 8 is blizz quarterly conference call. My money is on them giving a release date for the investors. And like SC2 & Cata were both released 10 weeks after their announcements that puts D3 release Exactly on Jan 17!!!

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http://imgur.com/TM5Qr?tags
http://daeity.blogspot.com/2011/03/huge-news.html

I just stumbled across this blog. Whoever is behind it has both done their homework and has insider connections. He accurately called Pandaria as the setting of the World of Warcraft expansion as early as March, and everything else he's predicted has been dead-on down to specific details (such as the real money D3 auction house, or the Pandaren racial traits).

So basically, the original release date for Diablo III was going to be November 24, 2011, and the backup Q1 2012 date is January 17, 2012. Given that it seems they had already planned for a possible delay, it's likely that they will stick with this release date.

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Why not Baal again in Act 1? Or maybe Gheed (?).

Btw, the Siegebreaker is not something that could be considered as a final boss from any act. It is similar to one of the big beasts that Azmodan summon on the Black Soulstone cinematic.

What Gheed? is there some lore i've missed???

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Well Indigo AO doesn't miss. It hits everything in 16 yards of your character (no aiming). Plus, taking into account the AP difference, you'd be able to cast 12 AOs for every 7 meteors (or 1.7 AO per Meteor). Obviously Meteor is still more powerful, but you'll be casting AOs much more frequently than Meteor. I guess I personally just prefer the mechanic of Indigo AO to Meteor, but to each his own.