Skull Grasp does not increase DD damage, but whirlwind skill damage (for instance on boots and helms) does.
DD spawn rate is based on WW breakpoints. More attack speed can be better if you get to a higher breakpoint. Some people are switching to WotW 6 with dual Bul Kathos Swords in place of IK BB to spawn more DD and thus do more damage. 55 has been cleared with this set up.
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WotW makes you gain the effect of the DD rune all by itself. When you select another WW rune, you take that element, as well as DD rune which does Phys dmg
Please check facts before you tell someone else they are wrong.
doctorclock is correct. The Dust Devils element is determined by the rune you select, it is NOT always physical. This is very easy to test.
Unless they've changed it, the Gem of Efficacious Toxin (which you recommend using) will be the first thing to hit Corrupted Angels, no matter what your charge rune is. If you're using the gem, you can use any charge element you want, hitting them will always cause them to put up a poison element shield.
Removing pet collision will also be an indirect nerf - right now they provide a "wall", if they all stack on each other, mobs will be able to simply walk by them.
I think the better solution is to slightly increase Phalanx melee range (but not their preferred distance to target), so those stacked slightly behind can still attack.
Mouse over "Physical Damage Bonus" in the extended details of your inventory screen, then compare it with each weapon equipped. If the Sultan is missing a socket, temporarily remove the gem from the other weapon to compare.
I don't see the need for the new Crusader set, really. That lets you remove RoRG. If you want to use the new set, building around Punish in addition to it is fairly weak - Punish could be good if you focus the build around it, but if you split your focus and go with the new set AND Punish build, you'll be wasting slots on buffing a generator you want to be using as little as possible.
There's much better items to compliment a Punish-centric build than that set (as you will rarely be using Shield Bash or Sweep Attack), so if you want to build around it, do it - but don't try to incorporate the new set AND Punish items.
That being said, I think the biggest downfall of a Punish-centric build in general is that Punish is fairly poor AoE. Good single target, will suck for groups.
Right now, as it is on PTR. You pretty much right. After doing some testing, it's pretty clear that there is no reason to have Punish in a build centering around Rolands-SB. It just never gets used.
Punish is by far the coolest generating skill in the whole game by. The sad truth though is that it is super situational. Gearing to make a sometimes useful skill stronger just isn't a very sound way to make a strong build. That said, I'll still be messing around with Punish and the Belt to see if any interesting builds can be done, it's just not a build I'll pull out when I wanna do 25+ Grifts
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Honestly, if you REALLY want to incorporate a set... If they do something with Thorns before 2.1 hits live (I hope they do - as is, it's not strong enough), I think the Invoker set could be where a Punish build fits in. The higher block chance and effects on block from Punish increase your "tankiness" factor a lot, and since a Thorns build is intended to get you to take as many hits as possible (which synergizes with block procs), it could work well together. Get a really high block chance, do good single target damage, decent AoE (from Invoker set), and take hits like a champ.
I don't see the need for the new Crusader set, really. That lets you remove RoRG. If you want to use the new set, building around Punish in addition to it is fairly weak - Punish could be good if you focus the build around it, but if you split your focus and go with the new set AND Punish build, you'll be wasting slots on buffing a generator you want to be using as little as possible.
There's much better items to compliment a Punish-centric build than that set (as you will rarely be using Shield Bash or Sweep Attack), so if you want to build around it, do it - but don't try to incorporate the new set AND Punish items.
That being said, I think the biggest downfall of a Punish-centric build in general is that Punish is fairly poor AoE. Good single target, will suck for groups.
If they wipe characters every week or two it makes no sense to play seasons on PTR, if you don't play 24/7 you won't even get to Torment 1 on lvl 70 before the next wipe occurs. I hope once seasons are enabled they let us test the season for a month and just patch the PTR without constantly resetting.
Just to clarify, the current patch is not resetting anything character-related on the PTR. Just leaderboards and "Personal Best" records.
I'm actually interested in this as well - mostly whether the 35% damage increase procs on *all* charmed mobs, or only mobs charmed from the amulet's proc...
Think I missed the post about this being the intended Invoker's set change - where was this listed, anyone have a link?
EDIT: Ignore me! Missed that this was a new legendary, and not the set change. Still wonder what they're gonna do with the set... Said they'd make changes to it.
I'd say the ideal one for me would be Indestructible, or maybe Finery, as I can see either of those being used in every Crusader build... The rest are very build-dependent.
You really don't want Iron Maiden for 90% of the builds out there, for instance, but if they buff Thorns of the Invoker, it may be one of the best things to get for a Thorns crusader.
So... Hard to say what the worst one is. Every one has a place in some build - though some builds may not be as viable as others. I'm gonna hold off on commenting on build viability until all of 2.1 is on the PTR/live though.
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Please check facts before you tell someone else they are wrong.
doctorclock is correct. The Dust Devils element is determined by the rune you select, it is NOT always physical. This is very easy to test.
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Also, I haven't messed around with it much myself, have you considered using Overwhelming Desire? http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/item/overwhelming-desire-1I0LYo
If the 35% damage increase procs off of Skull of Resonance, then it's likely worth at least considering.
EDIT: Looked into it a bit, looks like the damage proc only applies to charm from the amulet, unfortunately... so probably not a good choice.
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I think the better solution is to slightly increase Phalanx melee range (but not their preferred distance to target), so those stacked slightly behind can still attack.
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Honestly, if you REALLY want to incorporate a set... If they do something with Thorns before 2.1 hits live (I hope they do - as is, it's not strong enough), I think the Invoker set could be where a Punish build fits in. The higher block chance and effects on block from Punish increase your "tankiness" factor a lot, and since a Thorns build is intended to get you to take as many hits as possible (which synergizes with block procs), it could work well together. Get a really high block chance, do good single target damage, decent AoE (from Invoker set), and take hits like a champ.
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There's much better items to compliment a Punish-centric build than that set (as you will rarely be using Shield Bash or Sweep Attack), so if you want to build around it, do it - but don't try to incorporate the new set AND Punish items.
That being said, I think the biggest downfall of a Punish-centric build in general is that Punish is fairly poor AoE. Good single target, will suck for groups.
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I'm actually interested in this as well - mostly whether the 35% damage increase procs on *all* charmed mobs, or only mobs charmed from the amulet's proc...
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EDIT: Ignore me! Missed that this was a new legendary, and not the set change. Still wonder what they're gonna do with the set... Said they'd make changes to it.
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You really don't want Iron Maiden for 90% of the builds out there, for instance, but if they buff Thorns of the Invoker, it may be one of the best things to get for a Thorns crusader.
So... Hard to say what the worst one is. Every one has a place in some build - though some builds may not be as viable as others. I'm gonna hold off on commenting on build viability until all of 2.1 is on the PTR/live though.
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