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    posted a message on Umpa's Witch Doctor and more!
    Quote from Umpa

    I'll see what I can do about getting more Diablo stuff up in the relatively soon future. :)
    Key word being relative there ;)

    Nah just kidding. But you should do something cooler than the Wizard. Like Tathamet! Or Izual!
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    posted a message on Please make new post indicator distinguishable
    I agree completely with both of those points, and they have both been forwarded since a while back. Unfortunately I can't tell you when such a change would be implemented by the dev team :(
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    posted a message on Umpa's Witch Doctor and more!
    Wikified this awesome piece of artwork :)
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    posted a message on Gods of Sanctuary
    Quote from Jinshin

    Ultimately, there are no actual gods in the Diablo universe. Anu and Tathomet are the only ones that come close, and even they were not immortal.
    The original Anu is as close as you'll get to an actual god. A being that encapsulated everything and who's "death" led to the creation of the Universe and everything in it? It's hard to get closer to a description of what one would traditionally call a god.

    Quote from Ralnon7

    What about Hefaetrus and Zerae? Didn't the Amazon in Diablo 2 use powers like Fire Arrow and Lightning, and both were said to come from their fire god and storm goddess, who were said to literally reside in Sanctuary? If they're Nephalem, or the spawn of Nephalem who have somehow endured for thousands of years, then that would be problematic, as the Ancients themselves were not immortal...

    http://www.planetdia...tics/amazon.htm
    All of that information came from the Diablo II Manual, none of it was in the game.

    In any case, the fact that certain powers are said to come from them does not mean there are at all times ethereal gods channeling powers into the amazons. It could be that they originally taught the amazons how to use those powers, or that the amazons figured it out after they were gone, but decided that it was proof that they'd proven themselves worthy of mastering some of the powers their nephalem ancestors possessed. In light of the recent restructuring of the Diablo universe that began with the Sin War novels, it seems prudent to assume other gods are also nephalem.

    I'll give you that neither the monk nor witch doctor gods conform to the depictions of Bul-Kathos, Lycander etc, which are thought of in human personifications just like their real selves. Even so, the heart of the franchise is still the battle between heaven and hell and humanity's place in it, and so even if these gods are different beings we know nothing of yet the nephalem heritage in all humans is still the main focus of the series, and probably the foundation of the powers the characters and others exhibit in the games.
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    posted a message on Favorite/least favorite Angiris Council member and why
    Favorite: Tyrael. Because Tyrael.

    Least Favorite: Itherael. I feel there's too much of an overlap between him and Malthael's domains. They're both presiding over immense knowledge. You could say they acquire it differently, but the difference isn't that great. Malthael is the archangel of Wisdom, and how can one be wise if one cannot to some extent foresee the future? Why else would you even bother with his advice if you didn't think it would offer beneficial tips for the future? Yet the other Angiris clearly do, thus they trust his wisdom can help in determining the future.

    So essentially he does the same as Itherael, expect in a less nebulous way. He's also a a bad-ass combatant because of it.
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    posted a message on Gods of Sanctuary
    Quote from Ralnon7

    I'm just wondering - what role do you think Sanctuary's "gods", such as those worshipped by the Amazon and the Sorceress, will play? And what is more, what are these gods, exactly, and how much power do they wield, compared to Heaven and Hell?
    All of those "gods" are nephalem. They're all dead, or if not dead then long gone from actively participating in the world. They have no specific powers and worship to them doesn't do anything in the practical sense.

    DiabloWiki.com - Bul-Kathos Bul-Kathos: Barbarian deity. Nephalem
    DiabloWiki.com - Esu Esu: Original sorceress. Nephalem
    DiabloWiki.com - Rathma Rathma: Original Necromancer. Nephalem
    DiabloWiki.com - Philios Philios: Amazon deity. Nephalem
    DiabloWiki.com - Vasily Vasily: Original druid. Nephalem
    DiabloWiki.com - Lycander Lycander: Amazon deity. Angel.

    We don't know what the deal is with the other amazon gods yet, but it's a damn safe bet they were also nephalem/angels/demons.

    The gods of the monk we have no details on yet, but if they're not nephalem they may be some other natural spirits, similar to the animals druids can summon. Or perhaps they're just representations of the nephalem powers in humans.

    The only "true" god so far revealed is DiabloWiki.com - Trag'Oul Trag'Oul, the necromancer deity. He's intertwined with Sanctuary itself and all of its inhabitants. He was formed with Sanctuary, and there seems to be others like him, but one of the biggest mysteries in the lore right now is probably just exactly what Trag'Oul and the Others are.
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    posted a message on Φ Ask Lore Questions Here (No Theories)
    Quote from Molten

    Anyways i thought the horadrim stopped Zoltun Kulle before he was able to create that black soulstone as their last mission. I am kind of confused. Could anyone explain?
    Furthermore, it is important to note that while the DiabloWiki.com - Book of Cain Book of Cain is canon, it is only canon from Deckard Cain's perspective. Meaning that since Cain isn't omniscient, there may be factual errors in his account. As Metzen and the other writers pointed out in the recent Book of Cain signing interview, this means that details could be off in Cain's account.

    In short, Cain and the Horadrim could well believe that the Black Soulstone was never created, but this belief may well be wrong. Since the stone appeared in the teaser cinematic, it would seem they were.

    Quote from Molten

    P.S. Sorry if this question was asked before.
    I don't think anyone's going to fault you for not browsing through 600 posts before asking your question here :P
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    posted a message on A COMPLETE dubstep noob listener.
    Never been a dubstep fan, but I have to say that's some awesome shit right there.
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    posted a message on 2500+ years?
    And now I feel really stupid, since it clearly says on the back of DiabloWiki.com - Birthright Birthright that it happened 3,000 years before Diablo. Which does place it some 2,500 years before Demonsbane as well if I recall correctly. Which means my estimate above is totally off.
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    posted a message on Diablo Fanart
    Quote from sooty112

    Here is another one I have done, I wasn't going to post it because I didn't like how it turned out overall, but there are elements I did like and I think were ok.
    Too bad it's been wikified then ;)
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    posted a message on *POTENTIAL SPOILER* Imperius Role in D3 [speculation]
    Quote from Aerisot

    Wrath has a Capital W, it's a person/demon/angel.
    Could be himself, just as he's the archangel of Valor at present.
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    posted a message on Black Soulstone and the Angel connection [Speculation of course]
    Quote from name='»
    I changed my mind, I don't think Imperius wants to kill Humanity anymore. . . .
    That DiabloWiki.com - Imperius Imperius wants to eradicate humanity is the safest bet there is based on what we have. The entire finale of the Sin War insinuates it quite clearly, and the DiabloWiki.com - Book of Cain Book of Cain further reinforces that by explaining that Imperius has become more tyrannical and restless without a war to fight. The phrase "Valor shall turn to Wrath" fits well with this line of though.

    Quote from name='»
    When taken into context it probably means this... Malthael is taken captive(corrupted) Tyrael falls to Sanctuary Imperius blames Wrath Auriel dies by the hands of Izual(The Lord of Despair) Malthael re-emerges as the Archangel of Death Malthael kills Itherael. On to Diablo 3's expansion.
    If so:
    • Malthael's corruption far predates the events of D3 and do not seem directly related to Hell.
    • Who is Wrath?
    • Izual may have appeared on the DiabloWiki.com - Plains of Despair Plains of Despair in D2, but that does not make him the Lord of Despar. He's not a DiabloWiki.com - Great Evil Great Evil.
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    posted a message on Sin War Lore Reference
    You are correct, as I pointed out in the chapter summary. It's most likely just an editorial error where the wrong character was named.
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    posted a message on Khejistan/Khejan...
    And the quote by Anarkhy above comes from the DiabloWiki.com - Book of Cain Book of Cain.
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    posted a message on 2500+ years?
    Quote from Rathmael

    hey again! so to my understanding there's like a 2500 year gap between the sin war books and demonsbane..I could be misinterpreting it but I'm just curious. us there any lore or anything to fill in this gap? does anyone know if any future books that will further expand on Kalan and his progression thru necromancy.? any help is much appreciated! thanx!
    The exact amount of time between the Sin War and the present is unknown. There are several gaps that must be bridged before we can know how much time has passed:

    The Sin War
    Probably between 50-500 years
    The Mage Clan Wars
    ?
    The Dark Exile
    ~200 years
    Present

    The time between the Dark Exile and the present is clearly established in Blizzard's own timeline on battle.net and need no discussion.

    The time between the Mage Wars and the Dark Exile is wholly unknown.

    That leaves us with the time from the Sin War until the Mage Wars, which we get some hints about from the DiabloWiki.com - Book of Cain Book of Cain. It says that in the decades following those events, the land around Kehjan started to rebuild and distance itself from the events of the Sin War, and that the mage clans "soon counted thousands of active sorcerors". It seems implied that the mage wars kicked off within this same period, but it's not really definitive.

    But I'd say at least 300 years and maybe as much as 1,000.
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