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No no no, YOU don't get it. WHY would those people sign up for the AP if the release was imminent? All those people like wasting 13$ or whatever it is every month WHILE THEY WILL BE PLAYING DIABLO3?? If those people were convinced the release was imminent, then for damn sure they shouldn't have signed up, and instead bought it so they wouldn't be stuck with a subscription for ~9 more months. Now, if they DO want to be stuck with this subscription, then they have nothing to complain about. So basically in either case: they either have nothing to complain about, or they have theirselves to blame.
Because honestly, that's what it is. If they release later, you actually make more use out of your deal than if they release faster.
Yes "And the fact that so many people feel upset on the forums must be their fault. They are obviously all retarded teenagers that feel entitled." MOST DEFINATELY. That's really the world we live in, a world with, yes indeed, a lot of pretty dumb people. But not saying "uniqueness" is a bad thing it's OK to have dumb people around, without them, there wouldn't be "smart" people.
I subscribed to the AP. I wasn't playing WoW a ton at the time and wasn't planning to play a whole lot until MoP, but I was definitely planning to get D3. When the deal was initially announced, I figured that instead of canceling my WoW sub until MoP I could get the AP for basically the same money and still have access to WoW if I wanted to log in now and then. Access to MoP beta and Tyreal's Charger for my alts was a nice bonus.
With the delay, it still makes the same financial sense, but I don't really care about playing WoW right now and would much rather be playing D3. But when D3 finally releases, MoP beta probably will have started as well (or will be close to starting) so now I'll have 2 things I want to spend my time on while I have nothing to do right now.
For me its not that the AP is a bad deal now (and I don't think Blizzard is cheating anyone) but its definitely not as good a deal as I though it would be initially because of the delay and how that matches up with the WoW release schedule. The AP wasn't targeted at people who were definitely gonna stay subbed to WoW for the next 12 months (they are losing money on these folks), it was for the people, like me, who were considering dropping WoW to play D3 as a way to let them play both. With the schedule change it makes staying around in WoW to play both harder to justify.
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i said 95% of the christians IVE met, did you not read my whole post? obviously not. because its perfectly valid and not contradictory for me to say that because its my personal experience with SPECIFIC people ive met, did i say the christians in my AREA? NO, i said christans IVE met. DOH
god cant control randomness, because by definition it WOULDNT be random, it would be god... lol...
also god sending the flood impeded with those peoples free will. free will remains constant as long as god does not interfere with our lives in any way. think of 'free will' as your rights as a free man. someone putting you in prison or raping you is taking away your free will because its FORCING you to do something regardless of you doing something to "deserve" it, we wont go into that. therefor god forcing anything on someone is taking away their free will.
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only in the beginning. but even later when your more advanced and maxing out alot, constantly increasing weight and going to failure will still make your muscles very sore and SHOULD last 3-4 days of soreness at that point if you work out good enough each time. and ya ya C4 is a type of pre work out sup lol. i didnt even notice that till now, wow *meathead* lol. if your just going diet without sups be sure to eat lots of tuna/chicken! if your constantly weight lifting you'll want to eat about half your body weight in protein a day if not more.
i didnt want to debate like i said in the thread but honestly saying entire work outs (the machines) isnt good or arent as good as something else is blasphemous to weight lifting in general. you NEED these machines to help rotate your work outs and constantly change it up, further increasing muscles growth and strength. every different type of work out is vital, regardless of what gives you a better work out. because like i said constantly doing the same work out cheats your body. so doing a "less effective" work out with another one is MORE effective then doing the same "more effective" work out twice in a row.
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thanks for the advice i will add onto it
but i dont agree with any type of "strongman" work outs or any special routines, there is no need. your not training to be mr. olympia or be in the special forces, this is for people who specifically just want size and strength, that is all. skinny guys wanting to have decent size muslces for the ladies or just to feel confident about themselves. that is all. also im here as bordom to share advice i dont want to be anyones personal trainer, lol.
if i wanted to be super in depth id have to add ALOT more info and pictures, which i might as well make my own website at that point, im giving you the building blocks to help not EVERYTHING you need to work out to be successful and to answer questions here.
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first time going to the gym:
1. first thing you want to make sure you are well hydrated, always. and drink water while working out, BUT never chug water or drink large amounts, slowly sip it in between sets. contrary to popular beleif (i should add this) do not drink protien shakes or anything designed to increase muscle growth DURING your work outs. you can take a pre-work out supplement such as C4 or Jack3D (NOxplode is popular but has some nasty side effects on alot of people, not to mention the redonkulous price)
2. first day you want to be VERY careful to properly do ALL work outs, and to NOT over do it. ive over worked my muscles before and its painful and takes WEEKS to recover. this is true with first timers and anytime you quit for long periods of time and then come back.
3. whenever you do any work out with free weights and if you plan on going heavy till the point of failure ALWAYS have a spotter. never risk it. mostly all people in the gym are happy to help you out and spot you, ive been to hundreds of gyms and ive only met rude individuals once or twice, body builders are some of the nicest people you will ever meet, because they work off their anger at the gym :). seen some real nasty things happen without spotters. one time i got stuck under the decline bench press for 10 minutes waiting for someone else to walk by, embarrassing to the max. and bruised my chest. ouch
first day work out routine (for absolute beginners):
your work out will be very short but dont worry, you'll increase with time, but like i said never too long. start with whatever muscle suits you, i can pick for you. chest day.
i would do flat bench press with the bar. always carefully control the bar, ALWAYS use freakin clips, ive seen retards have the weight fly off and almost kill someone. idc how light it feels, ALWAYS use clips on every set and every piece of work out equipment that uses them.
do your warm up set like i explained in my OP. then move up 10-20 lb's per set to start. NEVER EVER do giant weight jumps, again a very easy way to hurt yourself. beginning id only do 2-3 sets max. and do NOT max out, your not ready. after your warm up do another set or two of just 10 reps with some difficulty. your getting your muscles used to lifting weights.
its important to think of your muscles as people, and the weight being a favor. if you ask too big a favor too fast without slowly building up to it, there going to get pissed off (hurt).
if you have never been to the gym or done much for push ups you should be pretty sore from just doing this. maybe you can handle more but i personally would not risk it as a first time gym goer.
your going to do this to each muscle group every OTHER day, your not even close to working out 2 days in a row. do 2 muscle groups per day every other day to start, eventually you can move to working 4-5 days on, 1-2 days off a week. NEVER work out 6-7 days a week. your body needs a rest even if you have unsore muslces you want to work out. if you want you can do cardio in between weight lifting days. this would be a good idea.
so id say:
MONDAY:
chest - flat bench, 2-3 sets. (all includes warm up as a set)
back - pull downs, WIDE grip. 2-3 sets
back - seated row. 2-3 sets
TUESDAY:
cardio
WEDNESDAY:
biceps - dumbell curles 2-3 sets
triceps - pushdowns 2-3 sets
THURSDAY:
break
FRIDAY:
legs - squats 2-3 sets
legs - leg extensions 2-3 sets
SATURDAY-SUNDAY:
break
NEXT MONDAY:
if chest is still sore, start tuesday-wednesday, not a big deal for first timers to skip alot of time at first.
chest - dumbell flat bench 2-3 sets
back - pull ups (if you cant do them, try doing the cable pull downs this time)
TUESDAY:
cardio
WEDNESDAY:
Biceps - bar curl 2-3 sets
triceps - dips (if you cant do those yet start with the dip machine) 2-3 sets
THURSDAY:
cardio
FRIDAY:
break or legs if you can
legs - seated leg press 2-3 sets
legs - reverse leg extention 2-3 sets
legs - calf raises with weight 2-3 sets
SATURDAY-SUNDAY:
BREAK
During these first few weeks do NOT max out yet, but remember if your stopping at 8 reps or less and your not literally going to failure, your only cheating yourself.
IMPORTANT:
you will hear alot of people say diet is just as important if not more important then your actual work out. im here to say that is some truth to that but not like most people think. for getting bigger/stronger you do NOT need to "go on a diet". for getting ripped, YES its more important then your work out. i for one eat like a garbage disposal, i eat pizza cake ice cream candy and not rarely, hell i eat pizza once every 2 days on average, not alot of soda though. but i incorporate LOTS of high protein foods such as tuna/chicken/steak as well as a high protein shake directly after EVERY work out. with cardio days and working out 5-6 days a week you'll burn plenty of calories to stay thin while getting bigger. if you WANT you can go on a diet to help you get thinner/ripped as you get bigger. but thats entirely your choice, im just here to say its not necessary to eat vegetables and stop eating your cake to gain size and strength. lol(within reason, if your pounding junk food like a mad man id say cut back a bit)
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READ THIS BEFORE YOUR TROLL:
No i don't want your opinion on some article you read or something you think you know on how anything I'm saying is wrong, I've worked out for many years with many different body builders, I know EXACTLY what I'm talking about. Feel free to ask any questions you like but avoid trolling/flaming please. Also most importantly everything you read I've personally tested over long periods of time to see the physical evidence. This is just helpful info, NOT a debate thread (although I'm sure it will turn into one ). Rest assured If you follow everything i say here you WILL see great results in 4-6 week increments. You have to do extensive personal research, read many articles/studies and confer with a lot of different body builders like i have to come to an educated conclusion on whats right and wrong.
Top Reasons why people make small-slow gains or stop making gains:
1. Not switching up work outs. this is definitely number 1 by FAR. A LOT of people fail to do this, they think doing flat bench (or any work out) every week is going to get them strong when its really hurting their potential gains. by switching up your work outs constantly your muscles can't adapt and therefor trigger's more muscle growth and strength. even bi-weekly switching isnt enough. say you do push downs and skull crushers for triceps one week, you shouldnt be doign them again for 3+ weeks AT LEAST. if you search you'll find dozens of work outs per muscle group so you'll never find yourself saying "but there isnt any other work outs for that muscle".
2. Not eating enough. when your body doesnt get the necessary calories it needs to function and grow it will turn to your own body to fulfill it, and no it wont just consume the fat on your body it consumes MUSCLE (omfg scary!). it is scary especially for people who want to make gains and body builders, so NEVER starve yourself to be thin. it will severely harm gains and just eat away at your progress more so then your fat.
3. Not consuming enough protien. this is very common because the amount of protien needed for body building is extremely high. you need a little less then half your body weight in grams of protien, so if you weigh 200 lbs then around 80-90 grams of protien is needed daily.
4. Not doing leg work outs or barley ever doing them. working out your legs is absolutely 100% crucial to making gains in your upper body (and lower of course). a lot of guys barley ever do legs or never do legs because they only care about their upper body and how it looks but the hilarious irony is they would be makign way more gains in their upper body by doing legs. why? because your leg muscles are the largest muscles in your body and by lifting heavy weight with them you release loads of growth hormones and testosterone into your body greatly increasing your overall gains.
5. Not enough sleep. pretty simple, if the body doesnt have enough rest \ to repair and grow in your sleep your gains will suffer severely. not to mention being tired so you cant give your all in your work outs.
6. improper form. i see this a lot in the gym as well, people doing certain exercises awkwardly or just plain wrong and potentially making it dangerous. such as leaning backwards/swinging backwards when doing standing up bar curls, this means your using WAY too much weight then you can actually do, your using your momentum and your back to lift the rest of the weight your biceps cant and just hurting yourself in the end. some body builders will do a couple improper reps at the end of some of their work outs once they have already maxed out but i dont recommend it at all.
Common misconceptions about getting bigger/stronger:
1. You have to work out for long periods of time to get bigger/stronger:
2. Doing reps really fast or really slow is good:
3. "Today is my "light day" i gotta rotate back and forth from heavy to light":
using the movie "300" as an example. yes there abs were extra emphasized in the movie with special effects but that doesnt mean those guys werent all still ripped and in amazing shape. they did a training regiment of 3 months and NEVER did the same work out twice, impossible? you can do nearly 30+ different work outs for your chest alone.
4. Working out sore muscles:
5. Taking short amounts of time in between each set:
6. "I always run before i work out to warm up":
7. Stretching muscles in between sets or between work outs:
8. You have to do 3+ work outs per muscle each day to get bigger/stronger:
General weight lifting guidelines:
Beginners Guide For Weight Lifting:
first time going to the gym:
1. first thing you want to make sure you are well hydrated, always. and drink water while working out, BUT never chug water or drink large amounts, slowly sip it in between sets. contrary to popular beleif (i should add this) do not drink protien shakes or anything designed to increase muscle growth DURING your work outs. you can take a pre-work out supplement such as C4 or Jack3D (NOxplode is popular but has some nasty side effects on alot of people, not to mention the redonkulous price)
2. first day you want to be VERY careful to properly do ALL work outs, and to NOT over do it. ive over worked my muscles before and its painful and takes WEEKS to recover. this is true with first timers and anytime you quit for long periods of time and then come back.
3. whenever you do any work out with free weights and if you plan on going heavy till the point of failure ALWAYS have a spotter. never risk it. mostly all people in the gym are happy to help you out and spot you, ive been to hundreds of gyms and ive only met rude individuals once or twice, body builders are some of the nicest people you will ever meet, because they work off their anger at the gym . seen some real nasty things happen without spotters. one time i got stuck under the decline bench press for 10 minutes waiting for someone else to walk by, embarrassing to the max. and bruised my chest. ouch
first day work out routine (for absolute beginners):
your work out will be very short but dont worry, you'll increase with time, but like i said never too long. start with whatever muscle suits you, i can pick for you. chest day.
i would do flat bench press with the bar. always carefully control the bar, ALWAYS use freakin clips, ive seen retards have the weight fly off and almost kill someone. idc how light it feels, ALWAYS use clips on every set and every piece of work out equipment that uses them.
do your warm up set like i explained in my OP. then move up 10-20 lb's per set to start. NEVER EVER do giant weight jumps, again a very easy way to hurt yourself. beginning id only do 2-3 sets max. and do NOT max out, your not ready. after your warm up do another set or two of just 10 reps with some difficulty. your getting your muscles used to lifting weights.
its important to think of your muscles as people, and the weight being a favor. if you ask too big a favor too fast without slowly building up to it, there going to get pissed off (hurt).
if you have never been to the gym or done much for push ups you should be pretty sore from just doing this. maybe you can handle more but i personally would not risk it as a first time gym goer.
your going to do this to each muscle group every OTHER day, your not even close to working out 2 days in a row. do 2 muscle groups per day every other day to start, eventually you can move to working 4-5 days on, 1-2 days off a week. NEVER work out 6-7 days a week. your body needs a rest even if you have unsore muslces you want to work out. if you want you can do cardio in between weight lifting days. this would be a good idea.
so id say:
MONDAY:
chest - flat bench, WIDE grip 2-3 sets. (all includes warm up as a set)
back - pull downs, WIDE grip. 2-3 sets
back - seated row. 2-3 sets
TUESDAY:
abs
cardio
WEDNESDAY:
biceps - dumbell curles 2-3 sets
triceps - pushdowns 2-3 sets
THURSDAY:
break
FRIDAY:
legs - squats 2-3 sets
legs - leg extensions 2-3 sets
SATURDAY-SUNDAY:
break
NEXT MONDAY:
if chest is still sore, start tuesday-wednesday, not a big deal for first timers to skip alot of time at first because of prolonged soreness.
chest - dumbell flat bench 2-3 sets
back - pull ups - WIDE grip (if you cant do them, use the pull up/dips machine that helps lift you up weight weight)
TUESDAY:
cardio
abs
WEDNESDAY:
Biceps - bar curl 2-3 sets
triceps - dips (if you cant do those yet start with the dip machine) 2-3 sets
THURSDAY:
cardio
abs
FRIDAY:
break or legs if you can
legs - seated leg press 2-3 sets
legs - reverse leg extention 2-3 sets
legs - calf raises with weight 2-3 sets
SATURDAY-SUNDAY:
BREAK
Rotation:
During these first few weeks do NOT max out yet, use light weight. but remember if your stopping at 8 reps or less and your not literally going to failure, your only cheating yourself. from here you will repeat the muscle groups and cardio twice a week with abs but constantly switch up your work outs to different exercises so your muscle never adapt. around the 4th week id suggest start maxing out at your leisure on certain exercises, be sure to always use spotters for exercises like squats and bench when maxing out, ALWAYS. and always use clips no matter the weight, ive seen retards have their weight fly off and break them because they think they dont need clips. dont be one of those morons.
IMPORTANT:
you will hear alot of people say diet is just as important if not more important then your actual work out. im here to say that is some truth to that but not like most people think. for getting bigger/stronger you do NOT need to "go on a diet", you just need to consume enough protien and calories a day. for getting ripped, YES its more important then your work out. i for one eat like a garbage disposal, i eat pizza cake ice cream candy and not rarely, hell i eat pizza once every 2 days on average, not alot of soda though. but i incorporate LOTS of high protein foods such as tuna/chicken/steak as well as a high protein shake directly after EVERY work out. with cardio days and working out 5-6 days a week you'll burn plenty of calories to stay thin while getting bigger. if you WANT you can go on a diet to help you get thinner/ripped as you get bigger. but thats entirely your choice, im just here to say its not necessary to eat vegetables and stop eating your cake to gain size and strength. lol(within reason, if your pounding junk food like a mad man id say cut back a bit)
Typically do this for each work out:
then wait about 2 minutes then do a weight you can push up about 6-8 times. 6 to 8th rep being pretty difficult to push up. then wait about 3-4 minutes. then weight that you can do about 3-5 times, 3rd or 5th rep (depending on what you get to before failing) being VERY difficult to push up and you should be pushing with all your might. you dont always have to max out to 1 rep every time, but definitely do it (WARNING - maxing out is NOT for beginners, see beginners guide and general work out before maxing out). your reps should be controlled and steady, if your wobbling or rocking your body a lot you need to go down in weight.
Basic Work Out Supplement info (if your interested):
-Creatine: this improves performance and helps you last longer and get in some extra reps by using water you consume, if your taking this you HAVE to drink TONS of water, or else it has no effect. you see all those big guys walking around with a gallon jug of water? thats because there taking creatine. and hydrating in general is great but you'll need extra for this to work. BUT water poisoning is a VERY real thing, typically drink 8-12 glasses of water a day, and NEVER consume it all at once.
-Pre-work out enhancers: gives you energy to help you pump harder, i recommend C4 or Jack3D. NOexplode is very popular but its extra expensive and has some nasty side effects (ED, diahrea, headaches).
-Protein powder: gives your body the protein it needs to repair and build bigger stronger muscles. this is needed IF you dont consume large quantities of protein rich foods. its VERY hard to consume the proper amount of protein without this, because you'll need a little bit less than half your body weight in protein in grams (not lb's ) a day and if your heavier, you'll be eating a whole lot of tuna and chicken, lol. i get tuna'd-out real easy. so i drink one of these after every work out.
if you have ANY questions at all please feel free to ask. im an open book. i didnt cover everything and i may have worded something strange or confusing, so let me know if i missed something / confusion and ill add it in or change it.
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1. shared stash - no more losing items from your game disappearing or your "friend" ninja looting you
2. individual loot - no more ninja looters in games, your loot is YOUR loot (this is by far one of the BEST new things)
3. rune system - creating 1000x more viable builds PER class VS. D2 which only had about 30 viable builds between ALL characters
4. crafting - so you no longer do 1000 MF runs and come up with nothing, because all the "useless" items you looted from those runs can be turned into scraps and then into decent gear (not the BEST - but the lvl 60 craftable gear is still real nice)
5. Followers cant die - no more wasting 50k+ gold to res your merc when he dies for an insanely stupid reason >_>
6. Inferno - hell was somewhat of a challenge at first but it wasnt too hard in D2, hopefully inferno will add that extra challenge to make the game more exciting
7. no more boss runs - this list isn't in exact order because this should be near the top, able to farm the ENTIRE game VS. just bosses for loot makes the replay ability of this game 10x higher then D2.
8. No more rushes/runs - probably number 1 best thing. I got the impression you could skip quests if you join a game of someone on a higher one, but you wont get XP if the monsters are too high so you'll have to go back and kill monsters yourself because going through the game normally WILL be the FASTEST way to gain levels. and another thing that prevents rushes/runs is the new Bnet, you can no longer create your own games with your own names and with only 4 ppl per game itll really deter from runs/rushes making it take literally 20x longer to reach lvl 60.
9. No Immunities - in D2 those pesky immune monsters were EVERYWHERE, especially in hell, so you basically had to either run away or create you build with multiple elements of killing, making you far less powerful overall. and EVEN THEN there would be DOUBLE immunes so you literally couldnt kill those. this will make it so WAY more builds are viable end-game.
Game rush loop hole:
Trist runs 1-15, tombs - 15 - 20, cows 20-25, *get rushed by whoever* , Baal runs 25-45, *get rushed by whoever* baal runs 45-65, *rushed again* baal runs 65-75, chaos runs 75+ --- doing this i could get from 1-80 in literally a few hours. used to be worse when you could uber tristram your way from 1-80 in 10 min. lol. ruined the entire playing of the game since pretty much 90% of everyone did this. hopefully D3 wont have any good ways to recreate this type of "loop hole".
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they think "OMFG NO SKILL POINTS? FAIL FAIL FAIL" without realizing theres 2.4 trillion skill combo's and all the skills are actually useful VS D2 which had entire skill trees that were worthless. D2 had a total of 20-30 VIABLE end-game builds between ALL characters. each class in D3 will have HUNDREDS EACH. ive talked with many people and once i explain it like this they go "OHHHH...... sweet no skill points!" lol.
and same with attribute points, most people aggree it was an extremely flawed system in D2 and we are better off without them. but they see its removal and cry wolf without thinking about it at all.
and lastly the "pvp crowd" which humorously enough think they are the "majority" of diablo players and freak out about no pvp rankings or ladder in D3 and say "lolol this game will fail". yes because there was a vast majority of pvp options in D2 right? and EVERYONE played D2 for pvp right? i mean ya you dont see but <1% of games that are "D U E L Z" games between norm nm and hell combined but hey i'm sure that they are still the majority right?
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