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"Enjoying real life" = Letting a computer play a game you dont enjoy anymore, then go troll fan forums of that game...

None takes a cheater personal or serious, its just internet is so full of miserable souls trying to spread their misery.

I can somehow relate to that statement though.
Its like he is having fun in real live while also getting something for nothing (basically for free) in Virtual life.
Sounds awesome to me

Because you bot... and then need to defend it. It's why your "explanations" are bullshit. They are excuses. It isn't awesome, it's pathetic. You bot a game you don't like, so you can play a different game you don't like. Super fucking pathetic.

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It's called Grifts. And it has been in the game for quite sometime. You literally have what you are asking for... already in the game. That's the reason why Grifts are ranked as well. To show who is the highest in the game. If you find the game boring, then this game is not for you. Why perverse the game with cheating? It makes no sense.

Because you need rift keys for GRs. That's literally a direct requirement. And because Rift Guardian loot is worthless when you only lack 2-3 slots (which are weapons/rings/amulets, which have very low drop chances in random loot tables), so your best bet at upgrading those slots is doing bounties for materials for reforging and upgrading at the cube. You could say that's optional, sure, but it's undoubtedly the best way to gear up right now, nothing else even comes close.
What doesn't make sense? That sometimes people cheat with the purpose of avoiding parts of the game they don't like, so that they can do parts of the game they do like? It's not exactly rocket science. I don't know how else to explain this. I guess I'll just stop trying.

So, you want a Cobb Salad, no Bacon, no Egg, but blue cheese on the side. Then you don't want a Cobb Salad. Go play something else. You aren't playing Diablo 3, if you bot. You are playing an entirely different game.

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There are two types of botters: those who do it for competitive reasons (to gain an advantage over other players, to crush the leaderboard/paragon ladder, etc), and those who do it for convenience reasons (the only purpose is to make the game more fun for themselves, they don't care about the leaderboards or paragon race or whatever; people who "lack time" or are just straight up too bored of TX rifts/bounties all fall into this category).

Well they could improve some things in game. QOL changes like: auto pick on mats (with an option to on/off this feature), DB dropping rate and where, remove keys for GR, changes to enchant (like roll only above the number that you have on the item for that stat), reforge on cube to revert EXACTLY the stats you had (ancient items will remain ancient items), improve kadala (weapon types/drop leg rate).
You might disagree with this, but after all the time spent playing, some things in this game become really boring and ridiculous, and I could understand botters that does this for convenience reasons.

I can only agree with this because that is my entire point.

Although I do disagree with your solution. Imho, the core issue itself is that the "farming" content (bounties and neph rifts) don't scale. Once you reach the level of power where you oneshot things on TX with a speed build, that's it, it doesn't improve from here in any direction at all. Right now I am farming with the exact same speed I was farming over 2 months ago, nothing has changed despite me gaining A LOT of power on my characters during this time.

That's what makes it boring. We need higher difficulties or farming content that scales. A more powerful character should be able to farm slightly faster than a less powerful character (it can be due to the more powerful character being able to run a higher difficulty or run faster). I'm sure they could introduce more Torment levels which are scaled appropriately to the the maximum power characters will have in a season (with best gear and, say, plvl 1k+). All of this is possible to calculate before a patch goes live, even the community has the tools required for this (d3planner).

It's called Grifts. And it has been in the game for quite sometime. You literally have what you are asking for... already in the game. That's the reason why Grifts are ranked as well. To show who is the highest in the game. If you find the game boring, then this game is not for you. Why perverse the game with cheating? It makes no sense.

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Jokerfiend, please read the replies from bagstone and Thaya (as you did). I do respect you for having a different opinion than me, and most likely a lot of the community agrees with you, but please take in consideration what they have written (in a more formal and better way than what I am capable of).

I say this, not as an insult to you or other, but come on, take it easy. It's just a game. We like it, therfor we cheat (D3Helper guilty here). And even so, I and other "cheaters" have contributed in form of communities and groups, and tried our best to be welcomming to other people. Ultimately it's the community that keeps the game alive, sadly the D3 community is having a hard time these days with too much elitismn and hostility towards people.

Can't we just play and have it fun? Why is it so bad that you have to go to such extremes as making parallells to a WW?

We aren't playing the same game. You are playing an entirely different game, with different circumstances. You don't like people pointing out your lack of morality and feel a personal affront. Then good. I hope it feels bad man. There are many types of games, yet you have to perverse Diablo 3 why?
What is the point of cheating? Because the game give you a lack of motivation as it currently stands? Tough titty. Suck it up and play legitimately. If it's just a game, why cheat?

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Well, I'll start off by saying that I am a botter. Do I value my account? To some extent, but would it ruin my life if it got terminated? Nah. So a little bit about me and why I choose to bot; I am active duty military serving overseas. I work in a very high tempo environment and my time to play is limited. Some of you feel that this is a valid reason for me to enjoy the game less than you do. I think we can all agree that end game is where the enjoyment comes from. Having the gear and paragons to run GRs with friends and push some higher GRs is what I bot for. I cannot afford to sit in front of my computer for 16 hours a day grinding out materials and levels and gear to ultimately get to the part where I can enjoy the game.

I don't have 1000 keys sitting in my bank or pages full of mats. I am barely over 1000 paragon, but fairly close to 1500. Yes, I do have really good gear. No, I am not even ranked on the leaderboards. I don't play for bragging rights or to flex my epeen at the end of the season. I have botted fairly conservatively. 8 hrs most in one session and most of the time anywhere from 2-5 days a week randomly selected days.

As Chainer said, in the current system, even at my current paragon level, most people do not want to group because my PL is considered low. So my ability to play outside of a small group of friends is limited. This essentially bottlenecks the community into different tiers that are not even based on skill, but on time put into the game. The community gets smaller by the day and different aspects drive different people away, but I can assure you that the botters, even the 24/7 ones helped sustain the community. Many of you condemn botters, but at the same time you have benefitted from botters. You do not suffer the consequences of account closure but in some way, running in that group with a botter you benefitted. Should all accounts be wiped then? Ignorance is one thing, but a lot of you are being very hypocritical. You celebrate the bans when you benefitted in the end. Botting is not the problem here. Bots provide a means to and end. Most bots cannot run past GR80 roughly, so these people you feel threatened by on the leaderboards did not have the bot get them their rank. Like I said, the bot provided a means to afford that opportunity for them to rank but it did not get it for them. So this brings me back to my original statement. I don't have the means to put in the same amount of time as a streamer. You want a competition based on skill, but currently skill is not the determining factor, its time. But I should be at a disadvantage because I cannot afford to use donations or my mom and dad's savings account to support me? I'm not knocking people's lifestyles but right now Blizzard has dictated that these are the factors that will divide the playerbase.

TLDR: I'm a botter, ban me idc.

Tldr, I blame the system because I am selfish. I think this game should be made and tailored for me. I abuse the system because I don't have time nor the energy to play legitimately. Fixed that for you.

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You say "fix the game" and then bring a wall of text of... well of nothing actually. You didn't really say what is broken in your eyes. Just some vague sentences ("improvement to GR system", "do not cover all bases", "choose new stuff over fixing already existing issues")

Also, don't you think you're a bit selective here? Greater Rifts have been revised so often now (remember Trials?). I mean the whole game has been revised with every other patch. Changes to items, changes to systems (bounties, grifts), changes to difficulties (T7-T10), changes to whole maps and towns (remember the running around in Act1 New Tristram?).

The amount of "new" content is actually rather low. Isn't the revision and change of old content the majority of the patch support? It surprises me that you say they don't try to fix their game. Every single major patch they made was solely for the purpose of improving their game.

Also, what does the development of cosmetics have to do with "fixing the game". Do you think there is this one guy who has to decide whether he uses his time to create new cosmetics OR "fix the game"? Those are completely different jobs, done by completely different people.

I'd say you are in the same boat.
Here is a quote from you in my thread:

I don't think it's a good idea. This is only nice for someone who plays each season anyways. For someone who plays irregularly, this is a punch in the face. Seasons should be closed entities separated from each other. Players should play the game when they want to play the game, not feel obliged to play it for the limited rewards. This is not a F2P game where it's most important to get players back every day with virtual micro rewards. With the D3 business model, it's more important to make it a good game that you can play whenever you feel like playing it.

You offer a lot of criticism to other posters. Like, a lot. You have said some good things, but most of it is negative.
Yet, you rarely come up with your own ideas, you claim to know what Blizzard wants. Blizzard wants a simple game, doesn't want this, won't do that. Yet the post I quoted from was my thread, you need more rewards for the activity you have in the game. I was simply stating that gear isn't enough incentive to grind, paragon isn't enough incentive to grind. That giving incentive to grind is healthy for the game. And you can't really argue that. While my idea was to tie incentive to Greater Rifts and Seasons, might not have been the golden ticket idea. It was something.
You did though, you argued it. This was BEFORE the patch 2.41 announcement. Then the patch 2.41 announcement comes, and you suddenly see more cosmetics tied to the Season. What do you have to say for that? I was more inline with Blizzard thinking than you were.
This Shapookya has a lot of posts, and says a lot. While offering little himself.
I wouldn't take what you say at anymore value then the OP. What rebjorn is saying has been said a 100x time before. We will both agree that it's tiresome and offers little. Then at the same time, we both know that we aren't developers. Especially, Blizzard developers. So, even then having ideas being posted all the time is, also, tiresome.
The major difference is that myself, rebjorn, are putting ourselves out there.
The whole point of this post was to ask an active member to watch it a bit. Slamming everything accomplishes little, and could easily be turned right around.

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I agree with you that seasons are not rewarding enough,but a requirement of previous season achivements for current season rewards is not a good idea for the reasons Shapookya explained in his post.

Off the top of my head,as a reward,they could implement transmog rewards for set dungeons,obtainable only in seasons.Like each set dungeon adds a little spice to its set,and doing all set dungeons for a class unlocks a complete badass transmog set for the class.Considering that set dungeons currently offer no reward,they're the ideal candiate for such a thing,if blizz is thinking adding more cosmetic stuff.

Also off-topic,in your post you say "if this is all we are getting until the expansion".Is there a blue post stating there wont be a major patch after this one or something?Just curious.

Not that I am aware, but RoS is already past it's prime. Expansion is the only way to fix the true core problems of the game.
I also like the idea of using Set Dungeons. This is what I am talking about ideas. Season need to be more rewarding, the game needs to be more rewarding. This isn't 2001 anymore. The formula doesn't work like it did. Other companies are offering far more, for far less and Blizzard is lagging behind.
I care, but I love the franchise. I have investment in it since the first Diablo and the old B.Net. I want to see it successful on a grand scale, ala Diablo 2 style. But currently, D3 is a joke competitively against a 20 year old game.

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I swear to you, if greaters were never in the game, and instead the leaderboard was based on boss clears on the highest level possible etc... more people would love this game. Adventure mode just destroyed it.

Uh, no, you're high. If there was no adventure mode, rifts, or grifts, this game would be dead.

No need to harass someone.

If you just use some foresight, or even hindsight, and look at the ARPG greats, non of them had anything like adventure mode, and they slaughtered the competition. D3 is going to get destroyed by the likes of Grim Dawn and is being beaten by PoE.

You can have endless scaling content without removing players from the content my fellow friend. Rifts and Greater rifts are not needed. You could have Act Runs or hidden dungeons within acts that serve as rifts and greaters, but are still a part of the story. And again like I said, have an infinite scaling difficulty within.

The biggest mistake D3 made was taking players away from the story. They did this with the AH from the very beginning and now are doing the same thing with Adventure Mode. Again, you can have endless scaling progression without Adventure Mode. No reason to remove people from the story.

I dont understand this mindset.If you find D3 lacking in some aspect and enjoy PoE because of it,all the more power to you.Enjoy your game dear sir.

However i ask you this;how many people who arent seriously interested in the ARPG genre have heard of grim dawn or even poe?I cant talk about grim dawn but poe does surely appeal only to a minority mindset.Hardcore players may be getting bored with D3 and going to PoE,but those people dont make up the majority of people who leave D3.Just join an average guild where people are not chasing some high GR level,people who just play for the fun of it,couple weeks after the season start they drop like flies because they dont care about min-max'ing their toon.A game with the complexity such as PoE wont attract those people.

Also when you are farming the same location for maps,farming maps or doing atziri runs,do you really feel trully immersed in the story?There are stuff that PoE does better than D3 surely,but non of those had anything to do with story or adventure mode.

Exactly, which is why I say the game isn't rewarding enough. There needs to be tangible rewards you can get each Season, by completing preset from the previous Season, along with Achievements.
Blizzard needs to involve synergy among Seasons, and non-seasons. Farming is Farming no matter where it's at. Rewards are unique and one of a kind. It might give more players some Veteran stand outs, if you could show off some cool effects.

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I actually had reasonable patience throughout the games development, but I think my patience finally ran out when it was a month or two into the beta and Mike Morhaime announced the delay of the game. There I sat, waiting for a beta key, as well as waiting even longer for the release. It left a bad taste in my mouth.

And I sit here still, with no beta key, getting unlucky at every beta key contest imaginable, and a release date announcement unforseeable. Patience is long gone. May marks my 6th year here at these forums.

However, I think the early moments of February will be promising in terms of release date news.

But, some may claim that it's just not possible to have a line drawn. That if you do, you are lying to yourself.

I'm at my limit dude, it's not a joke. I ask for a timely release from announcement. If they wait till Q4 it will be 5 years of development(that we know of) I can only wonder how much development time is really needed. An artist can over do his work if he doesn't know when to stop. Same can apply here.

Feel like, if Diablo 3 needs 5+ years of development, then I really don't have the time and patience to devote to the game. Hell, SWTOR took less time then D3, WoW took less time then D3, most games take less time then D3. The only game on par with D3 right now is Duke Nukem Forever, and we all seen how that played out.

I agree on the points that I also believe Blizzard cares about D3, and that they have a LOT on their plate.

But, this thread is the exact same thing you'd see on the Bnet forums about WoW; "Omg we lost a raid tier because they wanted to add more pokemon to capture."

It's not as simple as that. They have a big team, all assigned to different jobs. Taking away the people who made the wardrobe wouldn't have then enabled them to fix all the problems you stated. Actually, you didn't even state any problems. I think you offhandedly mentioned an arbitrary 'improvement to the GR system', and didn't even give any examples. Because it's a lot harder than just 'wtf why not fix this part of the game'. Especially when not everyone can even agree it's broken.

So yes, I would love to see continual improvements to the game, and I think that's just what we're getting.