No point to make d4 if it would least for 4-5+ years, old veterans will forget about diablo francise due to d3 epic fail, new audience dont care about francise and Arpg, also for 5 years could be new gaming era.
Maybe never, what is the point to make games for pc if mobile target is dumber and accept p2w, pruduction is a lot cheaper, risk is minimal, profit is a lot bigger than pc.
Mobile is the future, they know that.
I don't know about that. There are laws in Belgium right now that forbids MTX, so if other countries are going the same route, mobile gaming will become just a thing that was. Sure, easy money is made with little efforts, but I wouldn't say its the future. D4 will come, and ARPGs are still a thing, look at all the ARPGs that are still in development right now.
Has it changed recently? I recall the MTX they forbade were Loot Boxes as they represent gambling. That's different from selling things like cosmetics or even Pay 2 Win items or just cooldown reduction items. Are those other things illegal now too? Plenty of room for MTX without the gambling aspect, tho how that fits into the Diablo model is interesting as Diablo is essentially a loot slot machine game.
That having been said, I wouldn't say "Mobile Is the Future" per se. I would say "Mobile is Part of the Future." Yes the market is growing considerably right now but there's a point at which it will be fully saturated. Another point to consider is the longevity of Mobile Games. How long do they last versus PC/Console titles?
The logical conclusion is to incorporate the continued revenue streams of revenue games into PC/Console games, as we've seen happen with many franchises. They tried and failed to do this in D3 with the RMAH. I think *that* is the inevitable fate of gaming unless something else comes along. But just look at D3 in its current state. They could easily incorporate micro transactions into the current game. Imagine, you really like the current Season's Wings/Pet/Transmog but don't have time or don't want to commit the time to earn it. Pay $10 and get the skins. Things like that, I think, are the future of Diablo.
@aerisot I've got to agree. Diablo is now, in many ways, THE Prime Evil.
LoD gave use Baal focused story that turned a single act into almost as much content as the base game. They could focus on Mephisto and his offspring, I'm always going to mention and root for Inarius after being in the mirror cage, then there's alot of characters in the "Book ofs" series.
Hell, even the new zones in D3 need alot more explanation to them.
With Diablo 3 introducing all these new areas that the character classes come from, they could make a whole game focusing on those groups and how they're dealing with the massive slaughter RoS had on Sanctuary and what's going to happen in the future. Even if Diablo will come back, who says it can't happen in 20 years after RoS? That's alot of time to get things back to the Diablo franchise's great story. Maybe finish it with some leading up to or dealing with Diablo's resurfacing (which is still strange, is he in Hell or Sanctuary? Maybe looking for a new host that was worked so well in the past. Maybe a stronger host with the nephalem's power not being controlled).
You know something that could have made for a cool "Side Project" Phone Game, instead of a full on "Diablo Experience" game? You take on the role of Tyrael, managing the new Horadrim. Train and upgrade troops, send them on missions, retrieve upgrades and resources to put back into future missions. Add in something where you can tag along for difficult missions with some active management. Borrow from the WoW Garrison missions and a little Fallout Shelter. The side game could include investigating rumors of the return of the evils (It's not 100% clear Diablo will remain The Prime Evil or if their souls could have split as a result of the black soul stone's destruction, I believe) and serve as a lead in to Diablo 4...I mean, if Diablo 4 is about the return of the evils once again, that is.
Notably, I've come to terms and I'm fine with DI at this point. But nothing says they couldn't have two mobile games, especially if one is a "lite" game that ties into a PC/Console release.
They didn't announce a specific time for PTR, but it'll be some time today. I didn't have an option to install it from the B.Net App, but logging in to the website allowed me to download an installer which merged with the B.Net App. It's not yet available to play, though.
Edit: The client this installed appears to be older than the current live build, so I'd say that's not a useful means of acquiring the PTR client. Just gotta wait for it to show up in the B.Net App. If you've never done D3 PTR, though, you'll need to go to the account management page and click to set up a PTR account. Instructions for that can be found on the PTR post which is presently on the front page of diablofans...
D3 is dead. Makes no money. They're going mobile to make money. They don't care about the old player base because we've been playing for free for years. All they care about is money, obviously. They want a consistent revenue stream because you don't need a monthly sub for D3. No doubt in my mind that they will add currency like all mobile games that you can buy with $. They'll probably add cosmetic items as well. If they are successful in that then I don't expect them to put any focus in D3 for PC. Why would they put in tons of man hours for something that doesn't make money?
It's 2018 and all of the best games are free right now but they all sell cosmetic items. They all make tons of money. Paladins has like 30 million players? They are on every console now. I think they blew Overwatch out of the water. Fortnite has been dominating the video game realm. PoE, LoL, DoTa, Quake Champions, etc. All of these games are free to play and has millions of players playing them. Blizzard has fallen way behind since 2014 or so. I'm sure everyone has noticed it. They seem desperate. Going mobile was desperate. Making Destiny 2 free this month was another desperate move. It's crazy to think that Blizzard could go out of business but they can't even keep up with all of the free games I mentioned. Just look at the development. D3 hasn't had new skins in how many years? 5? WoW is on the same boat. They just recolor old skins every expansion. Look at all these other games. All the time spent in creating beautiful models and skins while everyone says the same thing about Blizz devs... they're either lazy or just don't care anymore.
I disagree with you about going mobile being an act of desperation. The mobile market is vast and there's a lot of money to be made there. It'd be silly not to augment your existing development with mobile titles. And to be fair, giving away Destiny 2 wasn't that big of a deal. It's a $10 game with the intent of getting people to like it and buy the expansion. And it's only if you sign up during a fairly small window. It's kinda like the trial versions for some of the Blizzard games, like being able to play WoW up to level 20 or D3 up to skeleton king.
I agree with you about revenue streams. D3 was supposed to have a continued revenue stream from the RMAH, but that went out the window and left D3 in a tough spot for continued revenue. As a result we got a small trickle of content (seasons) that is meant to keep people relatively interested until they can put out stuff like Necromancer or at best another expansion.
Looking back at this a week later, I have a couple thoughts:
1) The mobile market is hard to ignore, so I can understand a mobile game. I think they should have had something to offer to the audience present, and that was a foolish PR move on their part. The "will this be ported to PC/Console" question could have been answered better with "we're not planning on it, but maybe we'll consider it based on feedback."
2) This will be *something* to fill the gap while other stuff is being developed and I can play it while not at home, so I wouldn't say I'm excited about it, but I may get it anyways cause it's still Diablo.
3) Bringing a Blizzard-Quality game to Mobile could be a pretty awesome thing. The initial reviews sounded positive about the way it plays, even though it's a mobile game. I don't really like mobile games, but if this is a cut above the rest, that may be good both for this game and other mobile games along the way.
4) Part of me hopes there's some skunkworks going on. As one of the fans pointed out in the initial Q&A, there seem to be features I'd like to see in a PC/Console Diablo title. Bosses with mechanics, interacting with the environment...stuff that was initially teased for Diablo 3. If they do it for Immortal, I hope they do it in D4 and even improve upon it.
5) I don't blame anyone for being angry. I'm still not really happy about it. I'm trying to find the positives with it, but man, I really get why people are mad. And reiterating on point 1, I can't believe they didn't announce *SOMETHING* that would've been properly directed at the assembled audience. The initial responses made it worse. People deserve to be mad about this one. I just hope it ends well.
Edit: 6) I also wonder if they dropped some fairly covert hints relating indirectly to D3. All of the classes in Immortal are D3 classes. They mentioned adding their favorite classes: Assassin, Witch Doctor and Druid. WD is obviously also a D3 class. There have been subtle hints about Druid being added to D3 in the future...could Assassin also be on its way to D3?
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Has it changed recently? I recall the MTX they forbade were Loot Boxes as they represent gambling. That's different from selling things like cosmetics or even Pay 2 Win items or just cooldown reduction items. Are those other things illegal now too? Plenty of room for MTX without the gambling aspect, tho how that fits into the Diablo model is interesting as Diablo is essentially a loot slot machine game.
That having been said, I wouldn't say "Mobile Is the Future" per se. I would say "Mobile is Part of the Future." Yes the market is growing considerably right now but there's a point at which it will be fully saturated. Another point to consider is the longevity of Mobile Games. How long do they last versus PC/Console titles?
The logical conclusion is to incorporate the continued revenue streams of revenue games into PC/Console games, as we've seen happen with many franchises. They tried and failed to do this in D3 with the RMAH. I think *that* is the inevitable fate of gaming unless something else comes along. But just look at D3 in its current state. They could easily incorporate micro transactions into the current game. Imagine, you really like the current Season's Wings/Pet/Transmog but don't have time or don't want to commit the time to earn it. Pay $10 and get the skins. Things like that, I think, are the future of Diablo.
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You know something that could have made for a cool "Side Project" Phone Game, instead of a full on "Diablo Experience" game? You take on the role of Tyrael, managing the new Horadrim. Train and upgrade troops, send them on missions, retrieve upgrades and resources to put back into future missions. Add in something where you can tag along for difficult missions with some active management. Borrow from the WoW Garrison missions and a little Fallout Shelter. The side game could include investigating rumors of the return of the evils (It's not 100% clear Diablo will remain The Prime Evil or if their souls could have split as a result of the black soul stone's destruction, I believe) and serve as a lead in to Diablo 4...I mean, if Diablo 4 is about the return of the evils once again, that is.
Notably, I've come to terms and I'm fine with DI at this point. But nothing says they couldn't have two mobile games, especially if one is a "lite" game that ties into a PC/Console release.
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They didn't announce a specific time for PTR, but it'll be some time today. I didn't have an option to install it from the B.Net App, but logging in to the website allowed me to download an installer which merged with the B.Net App. It's not yet available to play, though.
Edit: The client this installed appears to be older than the current live build, so I'd say that's not a useful means of acquiring the PTR client. Just gotta wait for it to show up in the B.Net App. If you've never done D3 PTR, though, you'll need to go to the account management page and click to set up a PTR account. Instructions for that can be found on the PTR post which is presently on the front page of diablofans...
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I disagree with you about going mobile being an act of desperation. The mobile market is vast and there's a lot of money to be made there. It'd be silly not to augment your existing development with mobile titles. And to be fair, giving away Destiny 2 wasn't that big of a deal. It's a $10 game with the intent of getting people to like it and buy the expansion. And it's only if you sign up during a fairly small window. It's kinda like the trial versions for some of the Blizzard games, like being able to play WoW up to level 20 or D3 up to skeleton king.
I agree with you about revenue streams. D3 was supposed to have a continued revenue stream from the RMAH, but that went out the window and left D3 in a tough spot for continued revenue. As a result we got a small trickle of content (seasons) that is meant to keep people relatively interested until they can put out stuff like Necromancer or at best another expansion.
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Looking back at this a week later, I have a couple thoughts:
1) The mobile market is hard to ignore, so I can understand a mobile game. I think they should have had something to offer to the audience present, and that was a foolish PR move on their part. The "will this be ported to PC/Console" question could have been answered better with "we're not planning on it, but maybe we'll consider it based on feedback."
2) This will be *something* to fill the gap while other stuff is being developed and I can play it while not at home, so I wouldn't say I'm excited about it, but I may get it anyways cause it's still Diablo.
3) Bringing a Blizzard-Quality game to Mobile could be a pretty awesome thing. The initial reviews sounded positive about the way it plays, even though it's a mobile game. I don't really like mobile games, but if this is a cut above the rest, that may be good both for this game and other mobile games along the way.
4) Part of me hopes there's some skunkworks going on. As one of the fans pointed out in the initial Q&A, there seem to be features I'd like to see in a PC/Console Diablo title. Bosses with mechanics, interacting with the environment...stuff that was initially teased for Diablo 3. If they do it for Immortal, I hope they do it in D4 and even improve upon it.
5) I don't blame anyone for being angry. I'm still not really happy about it. I'm trying to find the positives with it, but man, I really get why people are mad. And reiterating on point 1, I can't believe they didn't announce *SOMETHING* that would've been properly directed at the assembled audience. The initial responses made it worse. People deserve to be mad about this one. I just hope it ends well.
Edit: 6) I also wonder if they dropped some fairly covert hints relating indirectly to D3. All of the classes in Immortal are D3 classes. They mentioned adding their favorite classes: Assassin, Witch Doctor and Druid. WD is obviously also a D3 class. There have been subtle hints about Druid being added to D3 in the future...could Assassin also be on its way to D3?