DiabloFans

Quote from Voix

Quote from BaneAu

As for what they have to gain? I paid $50 for them to show me proof that it was working, but without sharing the method. They gain 'internet notoriety' which a lot of them crave, as well as a little bit of cash (not that they were particularly strapped for that). I gained a story. Win/Win.

It's obvious to me you have no idea what you are talking about and just being nosey.

You are playing with fire, watch what you say on a public forum especially about EH/BH.

The people you are talking about are not scrippies or phytes.

I suggest this thread is locked and the OP removes his article.

sincerely,

Grey.

Quote from Daemaro

Anyways sorry for off-topic. Just wanted to talk about how much I hate spam bots.

Quote from DOOMSD4Y

I just dont get where you came up with $10,000.

Or how you just hop on some hacker forum and they are chomping at the bit to show you their paypal accounts and real time AH hacks..... what do they have to gain?

Quote from Dontbanmebro

I think you hate them, not them hating you, Bane. At least that's the impression I get from the way you post.

Banning people based on text alone is not a good idea, which is what you seem to be implying to stop spam. I know I've retyped a gold seller's spam to a friend before just because some of them are pretty hilariously bad. (Or just to mess with them a little.) You could say people shouldn't joke about it, but shrug.

I'll admit I didn't read your article on dealing with spam though, and I'll say up front I'm also not really interested. (No offense!)

Quote from Daemaro

What I meant by cancel when someone had bid was, force to end the auction, not cancel it, and receive the gold from it. That would have to go through the server. If that was possible and there is actual evidence of it then I'm far more likely to believe this has happened.

I also don't think it's possible to get rid of spam completely. Blizzard just gets it more because WoW is a very popular game people are willing to spend a lot on. It's a bigger target.

Quote from Daemaro

Quote from BaneAu

Trust me, I know how information spreads, and this has spread, go research it for yourself

I'm very familiar with the auction ending earlier than stated bug but I really don't think this is what's causing it.

I'm not saying it's not technically possible, obviously it is. Tons of old online games were plagued with exploits because they didn't preform server side checks before allowing some actions. But for it to happen nowadays would be ALMOST beyond the realm of possibility, especially coming from Blizzard who has some of the best experience with online games and exploits that come with them.

The main difference here between the canceling with the clock was that only affected your own auctions. So I guess it wasn't looked at as a big deal and probably forgotten about during testing. I don't even think it was possible to force an auction to end successfully with a bid by setting your time forward was it? This however would have to run through the server, which would mean it'd be checked (or should be like everything else) and you can't trick that.

It's FAR, MANY TIMES, more likely someone is spinning an semi-intricate hoax than for a company to actually forget this sort of thing all of the sudden, and well if for some reason it is real, then yes this is a huge problem and pretty stupid if missed.

Quote from Daemaro

Well people may be making tons of money but that doesn't keep people from talking about methods either. If this was actually what was causing the auction ending early problem we've seen for... weeks if not months, it'd be out there already.

Hacks and exploits always get out and found about quickly if they're real because loose lips sink ships as the old saying goes.

Quote from Dontbanmebro

I know it's vastly different, but I would expect a server side check on something like cancelling your auctions, too.

Quote from Daemaro

If it's legit we'd be seeing tons of posts and videos about it.

Quote from overneathe

Curious. When you saw it happen live, did the guys then take the item, put it in their inventories, reload the game and have it in their inventories still?

Quote from Daemaro

There's a big difference in the time thing which was scripted where it was SUPPOSED to be doing that (probably an oversight from testing that wasn't changed) and then this.

You can't "fool" the server into thinking anything. Because the server will check it's records first and foremost. Anything you try to do will be delivered to the server, the server will check to see if it's correct, and then send permission to allow it.

You can change client side data to make it appear like you have more gold. Or maybe even that the buyout on an item is higher than it should be, but you can't change the actual server data.

So if you witnessed it with your own eyes that's more likely. Someone changed the value to show falsely that the buyout was higher in order to trick you into thinking what you saw was genuine.

Quote from Daemaro

I stopped at the point when the "hacker" tried to tell me that changes in your client can affect the server.

Also no offense meant to you, seeing as you wrote the article.

The Diablo 3 RMAH is making people a lot of money, but none so much as the common hacker. A relatively simple exploit was uncovered in the last few days which have allowed enterprising exploiters the world around to purchase expensive items on the auction house for peanuts, harming legitimate users in the process. We have left some technical details intentionally vague.

It works quite simply, within Diablo 3 you can put items up for auction with either a buyout, or a flat bid system. The hack will then allow people to buyout an item for the value of its bid, which is quite frequently much much lower than the worth of the item. ‘The hack is very easy to replicate’says one of the hackers ‘it’s just a matter of switching values within the client, tricking it into thinking there is a buyout when there is none there’

Over the course of four hours, I spoke to five different people who were using the exploit, two of which who confirmed it to me via streaming video. Every single person who had used it had made over $2,000 to themselves, in addition to the money they had already made from the RMAH before using the hack.
A few had stated they got the exploit working on the gold auction house, allowing them to bypass Blizzards review period for transactions. With the price of gold within Diablo 3 already at Blizzards artificial minimum of $2.5 per million, and externally at trading sites like playerauctions at $1.7 per million, they’re able to easily turn that gold into $$ minutes after purchasing the items.

Since starting to investigate this exploit over 24 hours ago, various sites have been reporting on it and public methods have been made available, increasing the overall number of people using this exploit, and the loss in income, gold or otherwise, that legitimate Diablo 3 users are experiencing when an exploiter buys their item for its current bid.

Blizzard are no doubt aware of the issue, however there is no notice as to when it would be fixed, and people complaining about it have been left without a blue post confirming there is an issue… considered Blizzard’s standard operating procedure when dealing with something that could potentially give them a loss in income. Will there be refunds? No. Will people get any kind of compensation? No. Will exploiters still have profited? Absolutely.

For now, please be aware that putting an item up for bid with no buyout will leave you vulnerable to this particular exploit. Hopefully this is due to be hotfixed soon.

Quote from BaneAu

Hey guys, got about 4-5m worth of gloves that I'm looking to sell for 1.5m

Why? I'm out of Auction space, and I craft over 300 gloves a day. Even my two accounts, doing both RMAH and GAH trading cannot keep up with my glove output.

Feel free to check some of my recent posts for legitimacy, and also don't hesitate to contact me in game. I'll be around for about another hour. BaneWilliams#1485