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    posted a message on "One of the Chosen" Feat of Strength
    Quote from Hexy

    This is not even comparable.

    In both of your examples, both players had the ability to try. The problem is with Blizzard giving rewards to the people THEY selected in the first place. Personally, I believe being selected to participate is just reward by itself, but to further aggravate loyal fans who would love the chance to be picked but weren't, by making it absolutely impossible to reap the same rewards, somehow, is absurb. Everyone who has played Diablo 2 to some extent knows how random MF'ing can be, that's the point. However, everyone has the ability to keep running stuff and increasing their chances through more attempts. Eventually they will be rewarded with good drops. It will happen in time. Rewarding people who were selected by Blizzard to participate is not analogous to your example because the ones who weren't selected had absolutely no definite control over their chances to play the beta.

    To be fair, more keys were given out for D3 beta as contest rewards than tickets sold for any given Blizzcon- and you certainly had a level of control when it came to the contests (how many you enter, how vigilant you are to be first poster, etc.). Personally, I got my key from the Gamefront tiwtter giveaway. A lot of people entered, knowing it was going to the first 500 people who retweeted their tweet, and they never followed up on it until all the keys had been given out. If you dont alreayd know, there was a huge snafu with this contest, as Gamefront thought twitter kept a sorted chronological list of the retweets (they dont). They only show a sampling of 50 retweets from the first to the most recent. Thus, the guy could only give them outto people on those list. There was a topic here on D3 that was talking about it (later in the very same topic that advertised the giveaway before it started) where people who had retweeted after some people were getting keys. It was then found out if you tweeted at the guy giving them out asking why you hadnt recieved your key, and he could see you had posted before other people he had given a key too, you were instantly sent one. Thats how I recieved my key: my vigilence in entering contests and following up on them.

    At the end of the day you can view it two ways:

    1) It was totally random and out of your control. Cool, then that means everyone had the same equal chance of getting the FoS and it's not fair to say "we had no opportunity to get it" when you had just as much of an opportunity as the next guy. You just happened not to get picked, and I'm sorry but thats the nature of random chance. Not worth being angry at those who were lucky, or feel like you were personally cheated by blizzard.

    2) The contests were not random and people could increase there chances of getting keys (by using scprits, or creating builds that won contests, entering every single contest, etc.). You could say they had "unfair" advantages, but strictly speaking you had access to all the same resources as they did and could have done what they did. There was nothing preventing you from getting a key this way. Hell, you could have even found and bought one from someone personally. You may disagree with that, but its ludicrious to suggest there is absolutely nothing you could do to get a key- there were simply no things you were willing to do (buy a key, write a script, watch the internet like a hawk for months, etc.). And ultimately more people got the FoS this way then people who have any given blizzcon FoS, so you can't say the contest group alone isn't enough people to warrant a FoS.

    In either case, there is no issue of fairness here. There is no reason to feel slighted or cheated out of anything because you weren't owed anything in the first place. You can't say you had no chance because you had the same exact chance as everyone else for the opt-in invites. You also can't say there is nothing you could do to get a key as that is also clearly false as many people did get a key without being randomly selected.

    There's just no reason to habor any resentment towards anyone that isn't jealousy at it's core. You wanted to get into beta but didnt get selected. Now that those people are getting something to prove they were in the beta (and thats really all this FoS is- almost every other developer does this) you are angry because you feel like they already got enough. You are mad someone else got something you didnt. That's just all there is to it. And if all else fails and no amount of reason or logic can prevent you from being angry at the 'chosen' or at blizzard- then let them know with your wallet, don't buy diablo 3.

    EDIT: This will also be my last post on this subject. The fact this has been an issue at all I find incredibly indicitive of how childish and petty grown ass adults can be with anonimity and the internet.
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    posted a message on "One of the Chosen" Feat of Strength
    Thousands of people feeling cheated because they didn't win a random drawing lottery: depressing insight into human nature

    Thousands of people feeling cheated because they didn't win a random drawing lottery where the prize was a few pixels in a video game that hasn't been released yet that do not affect gameplay at all: abandon all hope in mankind
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    posted a message on First to Level 60: Pointless
    I agree with this topic completely.
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    posted a message on "One of the Chosen" Feat of Strength
    Quote from SaracenS

    Alright let me articulate why I don't think this is fair. Blizzard has stated in the past feats of strength were something very difficult or something that is impossible to obtain anymore. They have maintained however through actions and wording that everyone has a chance at the feats. But with this beta that has been flipped, not everyone could have a chance for this feat, infact short of black martket buying a CD Key from a fansite there was no way to be guaranteed to get it.

    Now before you say things like "well I never had a chance to get a gladiator FoS.". This is false you had every chance to get it, you just didn't that is why them giving a FoS away for beta after maintaining for years they would never do it alienates their userbase.

    my 2 cents.

    Let me articulate why you don't think this fair is completely unjustified:

    Blizzard has stated in the past feats of strength were something very difficult or something that is impossible to obtain anymore.
    Yup. This is how FoS work. This is also why they don't give achievement points, but are simply badges of proof for being in a limited number of people for a certain event.

    They have maintained however through actions and wording that everyone has a chance at the feats.
    "Equal chance" in this regard can be interpreted somewhat subjectively. For example, opening the gates of AQ40 could have technically been done by anyone, but certainly we can't say everyone had an EQUAL chance at it. Only one person on the server could do it, and the quests that were required to get the hammer to ring the gong were only completable by a servers top guild(s). An entire guild that is the best on a given server all working so a single individual could ring the gong- hardly something everyone had equal access to. Another example is Blizzcon- whose tickets sell out within hours of going on sale. Clearly there are more people trying to get tickets than there are tickets, even at the moment of becoming available. Not everyone of them is going to be lucky enough to get a ticket.

    But with this beta that has been flipped, not everyone could have a chance for this feat, infact short of black martket buying a CD Key from a fansite there was no way to be guaranteed to get it.

    Here is where you logic train jumps the tracks into a chasm. How is being lucky enough to get into beta any different than getting lucky enough to get one of a few thousand blizzcon tickets when tens of thousands compete to get them? For the ten thousand people all clicking "Buy Tickets Now!" the second they go one sale, and all the people opted into the beta, they both have an equal chance of getting the tickets or invite, and certainly not all of them are going to get what they wanted.

    I also want to ask, how in the hell could you possibly say "not everyone could have a chance for this feat" when everyone had a chance? An equal chance to be precise when it comes to opt in invites. And for contests, well clearly everyone had an equal chance at those as well. I guess you could say "the contests weren't equal- some people used bots and scripts to get the twitter keys!" Well yeah, and you could have used those scripts too. It's no different than someone needing an entire server top guild to get the AQ40 feat. while some people have greater access to tools, everyone still ad an equal chance of using those tools.

    And yes, you could also just buy a key from someone. you can also buy CEs on ebay for extra mark-up, you can buy blizzcon tickets from a scalper for mark up. Everything you can get a feat for can be bought. In fact, since you can buy accounts on 3rd party sites or on ebay, you can buy any item in any game ever! The fact someone can buy a beta key means absolutely nothing to this issue- you can buy anything with money because it's a fucking form of currency. If you have issues with that then god help your soul.

    Now before you say things like "well I never had a chance to get a gladiator FoS.". This is false you had every chance to get it, you just didn't that is why them giving a FoS away for beta after maintaining for years they would never do it alienates their userbase.

    By this point it's clear you simply have no idea what the word 'chance' means. You had a chance to get into beta (assuming you were opted in or competed in contests). The same chance as all the other people who were opted in, or entered said contests. Unfortunately you didn't get chosen. But thats what chance is. It sounds like what you want is for a series of actions someone can do, and if they do them they get a feat. That's not chance. Thats a Gurantee. Thats not what feats exist for.

    that's my 2 cents
    Thanks for letting us know you are a jealous bitter human being.
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    posted a message on Which character has the weakest & best group potential?
    Those guys who are doing the huge push to be world first inferno clear are going without a DH for various reasons. Ultimately I think it's between DH and Wizard for weakest in group based on their utility. I think DH gets the edge though due to marked for death. That said, the other classes are going need to pick up some the DHs slack in regards to dealing AOE dmg.
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    posted a message on TP w/ wormhole???
    Quote from Antirepublican

    Quote from T_Roc

    - Teleport and the Wormhole rune -

    Can you keep teleporting if you are under 1 second, using the wormhole rune on the wizard?
    JayWilson: You can teleport as many times as the animation will allow in the time before the cooldown is triggered.


    What the heck does this even mean?? I'm so tired of the vague ambiguous answers concerning this rune. This is THE main reason I am chosing Wizard over Witch Doctor. If I can't teleport until my mana is empty, I'm going to be pissed.

    Why can't someone just ask or answer this clearly? Is it so hard.

    He did answer the question clearly this time. The answer is no, you can't teleport till you run out of AP.
    You can teleport as many times as you can within the 1 second window listed on the skill. Which is more than likely just 1 addition cast, maybe 2 if you have a lot of IAS.

    This. While Jay could have been slightly more clear- it's quite obvious what he means by this.
    Posted in: Wizard: The Ancient Repositories
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    posted a message on "One of the Chosen" Feat of Strength
    If you have a serious problem with it, then let blizzard know with your wallet. Don't buy the game.


    The kind of people who are upset over this have to be some of the most immature manchildren around, and for each one that doesn't buy the game over this is one less person I would never want to be partied with anyway.
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    posted a message on "One of the Chosen" Feat of Strength
    Quote from Nastai

    My first though was: insult to injury for a lot of people. I personally don't mind at all. I'm just looking forward to release at this point.

    I think the issue here is people feeling insulting in the first place because they didnt win what is essentially a random lottery drawing

    Anyone with the feeling they have been slighted in any way shape or form in this issue needs to stop, take a deep breath, and chill the fuck out. This is an incredibly common practice amongst game developers. The outrage over this amounts to nothing more than bitter jealous rage.
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    posted a message on "One of the Chosen" Feat of Strength
    When feats of strength were implemented in wow:BC, they had some for things from back in vanilla that couldn't be gotten anymore.

    There have been feats of strength that are much more difficult and limited than this one that have never received this level of backlash (see AQ40 openining, attending blizzcon)

    Almost every other developer that has betas gives some type of ingame proof to let those players show they were in the beta as a thank you for participating. Blizzard is late to the part in this regard.

    The entire thing is absurd. I can't believe of all things people are flipping out over this. God, you people won't even care in a week once the game is released. This is really an example of human beings at their absolute lowest, most primitive state.(Not directed at this forum, but at the official blizzard forums)
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    posted a message on A pvp debate
    There is nothing more to say in this discussion that hasn't already been said. There is no good that will come from continuing to discuss this issue to death.

    Different people value different things when it comes to games. Some people prefer PvE, some PvP. Blizzard has stated they are focusing on making diablo 3 a co-op PvE game on a fundamental level and have made design decesions based on that direction. If you don't like that, then I'm sorry. If you do like that, then awesome.

    End of discussion.
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    posted a message on Am I the only one not rolling WD because they're silly?
    Quote from Slayerviper

    Quote from karsen88

    Playing D&D years ago we got to pick our race/class/gender/ etc. Is that not the norm? When a player starts D&D are they told they will play a 57 year-old middle eastern female cleric named "Verellia"?

    This is news to me.

    Say you wanted to be an bard and you pick an Orc... well you get the picture it just doesn't quite work.
    Well these are the two extremes- clealry it doesnt have to be one of these. I shouldnt have to play as Verellia, nor should I be able to be a giant pink elephant that flies. Character Customization is a balance that gives a player limited control over thier appearance, while still conforming to the game in question. An example of the extremes would be say Zelda, where you play as a named character with a set identity and appearance (link) for the lack of customization, and say Saints Row 3- where you can play as an astronaut in clownshoes or whatever esle you can think of. A good example of a balance is world of warcraft: you can't be an Orc Paladin, but you can alter your character's appearance, name them slightly alter their skin color and facial features, as well as hair styles, colors, and of course gender. They still allow skinny female warriors wielding weapons and armor thousands of times outside of what should be possible, even considering in game lore, simply for the sake of player preference (and political reasons). Some suspension of disbelief is ok to allow for customization, while other cases aren't worth it ("do people really need to have afro's on their orcs?")

    The case of diablo 3 is that it is closer to the "lack of customization" extreme. With only your hero's name and gender being selectable (and to a lesser extent, armor dyes). I would have prefered Diablo 3 been more away from this extreme and allowed a bit more freedom in character creation.
    Posted in: Witch Doctor: The Mbwiru Eikura
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    posted a message on Am I the only one not rolling WD because they're silly?
    Quote from Khrull777

    Jay Wilson mentioned that at first they did have character customization, but took it out because:

    #1. The customization wasn't very visible when wearing armor, so it was a waste of time.
    #2. It became a time barrier to hitting "Start" and start playing.

    I know this.

    I said it in post #47 in this topic.
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    posted a message on Am I the only one not rolling WD because they're silly?
    Quote from Slayerviper

    I get the whole "I need to change how I look" but how often are you going to stare all teenage girl like at your character in the face? What happens if you put a helmet on then what? I'm not sure if a don't show helmet option is available. I don't know much about the "witch doctor culture" but I've never heard of a white one.

    1. As much as I like, I don't see how it concerns you as to what I look at and how often.
    2. The "dont show helm" option is invisble dye - usable on all types of armor to make them transparent.
    3. It's a fantasy world. Theres nothing that holds them to saying a certain race is tied to a certain culture - espcially regarding what exists in real world culture. Have you ever heard of any Western European sects of Shaolin Monks? Clearly the culture they are taking from is eastern in orgin and visual appeal (see yin-yangs, orange sash robes, etc.) but has been made to portray anglo-saxxon men and women. There is even a direct blue comment on this talking about how they wanted to give each class and its lore alittle bit of twist. For barbarian they made him old with white hair instead of younger man more in his prime. For monk it was to make the appearance western rather than eastern. Saying it doesn't make sense that a different race be a WD is a bit trite in this instance.

    EDIT: the comment from blizzard came from the GDC lecture on art in D3. It was linked to in a news story here if you want to find it. About an hour long but it was very interesting and informative if you get the opportunity.
    Posted in: Witch Doctor: The Mbwiru Eikura
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    posted a message on Am I the only one not rolling WD because they're silly?
    Quote from Slayerviper

    Quote from CorDa616

    Quote from karsen88

    Quote from Khrull777

    @Karsen, Would you prefer a version of Diablo 3 where all the characters are white? Personally, I wish each of the characters carried a briefcase, since I can't relate to carrying a sword to work.

    I would prefer a version of diablo 3 where I can customize the skin color, hair color & length, body type, and gender to that of my personal preference, rather than having race/gender locked to a specific class (thankfully we at least have gotten a choice of gender).

    I belive all people should be able to make their hero look as similar (or different) to themselves as they would like. It is, after all, an action ROLE playing game.

    Ever heard of sims?

    The characters are locked I believe due to the general background. White witch doctor? No... Things are locked for a reason and as far as I understand there's more than enough specification in there.

    You also forgot D&D... things are locked for a reason its called lore, you know something that's in role playing games! Such a concept indeed! A hillbilly witch docotor just wouldn't make sense "Joe Bob the voodoo trailer pimp will throw explosive moonshine at you instead of toads..."

    Playing D&D years ago we got to pick our race/class/gender/ etc. Is that not the norm? When a player starts D&D are they told they will play a 57 year-old middle eastern female cleric named "Verellia"?

    This is news to me.
    Posted in: Witch Doctor: The Mbwiru Eikura
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    posted a message on Am I the only one not rolling WD because they're silly?
    Quote from oneoftheorder

    Quote from karsen88

    I would prefer a version of diablo 3 where I can customize the skin color, hair color & length, body type, and gender to that of my personal preference, rather than having race/gender locked to a specific class (thankfully we at least have gotten a choice of gender).

    I belive all people should be able to make their hero look as similar (or different) to themselves as they would like. It is, after all, an action ROLE playing game.

    I can't argue with that. I can only assume that DIII's architecture makes customizable character models technically untenable for how Blizzard wants to handle graphics.

    Their given reason was that due to armor and the camera angle and distance, that it was a significant amount of development time for a feature that seemed to offer very little benefit. I disagree on some grounds (mainly that I will most likely play with invisible ink on my helms so I can see my guys face as I find it much more natural), but I can certainly understand how it ended on the development backburner in favor of other things.
    Posted in: Witch Doctor: The Mbwiru Eikura
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