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Your analogy is nonsensical as well...Saying something is bad if it takes an hour to do damage doesnt really say anything about the mana per cast of hydra.
Damage per AP means NOTHING if the damage is extremely weak. You have to consider DPS to AP and not just damage to AP. What good are the Hydras if the mobs are dead before they get more than a few shots off? I'll just use FREE magic missle spread glyph instead if you're so worried about damage to AP. If I want utility there are plenty of other skills I can use instead. Sure there MAY be fringe cases where I'll swap for some turret CC to kite some huge mob that can be slowed.
It has nothing to do if I like it or not (btw, I do like it because I love turret skills and dragon-type creatures are awesome) but the math right now does NOT back it up and math is fact not opinion. About the only thing left that neither of us know yet is if the AI is still as crappy as it seems in the video.
Are you saying the skill was nerfed then? I'm still trying to figure out what your saying here. You sound like you agree in general this is a buff, which is the entirety of what I'm saying.
Robbing peter to pay paul. You're getting crap damage for good AP cost. Before it was decent damage for crap AP cost. It's neither. UNLESS you're specifically referring to fringe CC cases (that other skills can't handle on their own). Which would not be "easy to see" as you were questioning the other poster.
It will deal less than 10% less damage and will costs 62% less AP.
I fail to see how the damage it dealt was significant enough to say "did decent damage and now deals crap damage".
Besides, do you not realize that the net gain in 25 AP when you cast it now directly translates into more damage from other spells? The total damage you deal when you use Hydra in any combat scenario is higher than before in every single way you slice it. There is no trade off here. It was a buff.
I won't be replying to you regarding this any longer as you are simply either too stuborn to admit you are wrong, or are too stupid to realize it. I'm personally inclined to believe the former, since that is basically how every debate over internet forums amounts to.
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To be fair, more keys were given out for D3 beta as contest rewards than tickets sold for any given Blizzcon- and you certainly had a level of control when it came to the contests (how many you enter, how vigilant you are to be first poster, etc.). Personally, I got my key from the Gamefront tiwtter giveaway. A lot of people entered, knowing it was going to the first 500 people who retweeted their tweet, and they never followed up on it until all the keys had been given out. If you dont alreayd know, there was a huge snafu with this contest, as Gamefront thought twitter kept a sorted chronological list of the retweets (they dont). They only show a sampling of 50 retweets from the first to the most recent. Thus, the guy could only give them outto people on those list. There was a topic here on D3 that was talking about it (later in the very same topic that advertised the giveaway before it started) where people who had retweeted after some people were getting keys. It was then found out if you tweeted at the guy giving them out asking why you hadnt recieved your key, and he could see you had posted before other people he had given a key too, you were instantly sent one. Thats how I recieved my key: my vigilence in entering contests and following up on them.
At the end of the day you can view it two ways:
1) It was totally random and out of your control. Cool, then that means everyone had the same equal chance of getting the FoS and it's not fair to say "we had no opportunity to get it" when you had just as much of an opportunity as the next guy. You just happened not to get picked, and I'm sorry but thats the nature of random chance. Not worth being angry at those who were lucky, or feel like you were personally cheated by blizzard.
2) The contests were not random and people could increase there chances of getting keys (by using scprits, or creating builds that won contests, entering every single contest, etc.). You could say they had "unfair" advantages, but strictly speaking you had access to all the same resources as they did and could have done what they did. There was nothing preventing you from getting a key this way. Hell, you could have even found and bought one from someone personally. You may disagree with that, but its ludicrious to suggest there is absolutely nothing you could do to get a key- there were simply no things you were willing to do (buy a key, write a script, watch the internet like a hawk for months, etc.). And ultimately more people got the FoS this way then people who have any given blizzcon FoS, so you can't say the contest group alone isn't enough people to warrant a FoS.
In either case, there is no issue of fairness here. There is no reason to feel slighted or cheated out of anything because you weren't owed anything in the first place. You can't say you had no chance because you had the same exact chance as everyone else for the opt-in invites. You also can't say there is nothing you could do to get a key as that is also clearly false as many people did get a key without being randomly selected.
There's just no reason to habor any resentment towards anyone that isn't jealousy at it's core. You wanted to get into beta but didnt get selected. Now that those people are getting something to prove they were in the beta (and thats really all this FoS is- almost every other developer does this) you are angry because you feel like they already got enough. You are mad someone else got something you didnt. That's just all there is to it. And if all else fails and no amount of reason or logic can prevent you from being angry at the 'chosen' or at blizzard- then let them know with your wallet, don't buy diablo 3.
EDIT: This will also be my last post on this subject. The fact this has been an issue at all I find incredibly indicitive of how childish and petty grown ass adults can be with anonimity and the internet.
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Thousands of people feeling cheated because they didn't win a random drawing lottery where the prize was a few pixels in a video game that hasn't been released yet that do not affect gameplay at all: abandon all hope in mankind
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Let me articulate why you don't think this fair is completely unjustified:
Blizzard has stated in the past feats of strength were something very difficult or something that is impossible to obtain anymore.
Yup. This is how FoS work. This is also why they don't give achievement points, but are simply badges of proof for being in a limited number of people for a certain event.
They have maintained however through actions and wording that everyone has a chance at the feats.
"Equal chance" in this regard can be interpreted somewhat subjectively. For example, opening the gates of AQ40 could have technically been done by anyone, but certainly we can't say everyone had an EQUAL chance at it. Only one person on the server could do it, and the quests that were required to get the hammer to ring the gong were only completable by a servers top guild(s). An entire guild that is the best on a given server all working so a single individual could ring the gong- hardly something everyone had equal access to. Another example is Blizzcon- whose tickets sell out within hours of going on sale. Clearly there are more people trying to get tickets than there are tickets, even at the moment of becoming available. Not everyone of them is going to be lucky enough to get a ticket.
But with this beta that has been flipped, not everyone could have a chance for this feat, infact short of black martket buying a CD Key from a fansite there was no way to be guaranteed to get it.
Here is where you logic train jumps the tracks into a chasm. How is being lucky enough to get into beta any different than getting lucky enough to get one of a few thousand blizzcon tickets when tens of thousands compete to get them? For the ten thousand people all clicking "Buy Tickets Now!" the second they go one sale, and all the people opted into the beta, they both have an equal chance of getting the tickets or invite, and certainly not all of them are going to get what they wanted.
I also want to ask, how in the hell could you possibly say "not everyone could have a chance for this feat" when everyone had a chance? An equal chance to be precise when it comes to opt in invites. And for contests, well clearly everyone had an equal chance at those as well. I guess you could say "the contests weren't equal- some people used bots and scripts to get the twitter keys!" Well yeah, and you could have used those scripts too. It's no different than someone needing an entire server top guild to get the AQ40 feat. while some people have greater access to tools, everyone still ad an equal chance of using those tools.
And yes, you could also just buy a key from someone. you can also buy CEs on ebay for extra mark-up, you can buy blizzcon tickets from a scalper for mark up. Everything you can get a feat for can be bought. In fact, since you can buy accounts on 3rd party sites or on ebay, you can buy any item in any game ever! The fact someone can buy a beta key means absolutely nothing to this issue- you can buy anything with money because it's a fucking form of currency. If you have issues with that then god help your soul.
Now before you say things like "well I never had a chance to get a gladiator FoS.". This is false you had every chance to get it, you just didn't that is why them giving a FoS away for beta after maintaining for years they would never do it alienates their userbase.
By this point it's clear you simply have no idea what the word 'chance' means. You had a chance to get into beta (assuming you were opted in or competed in contests). The same chance as all the other people who were opted in, or entered said contests. Unfortunately you didn't get chosen. But thats what chance is. It sounds like what you want is for a series of actions someone can do, and if they do them they get a feat. That's not chance. Thats a Gurantee. Thats not what feats exist for.
that's my 2 cents
Thanks for letting us know you are a jealous bitter human being.
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This. While Jay could have been slightly more clear- it's quite obvious what he means by this.
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The kind of people who are upset over this have to be some of the most immature manchildren around, and for each one that doesn't buy the game over this is one less person I would never want to be partied with anyway.
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I think the issue here is people feeling insulting in the first place because they didnt win what is essentially a random lottery drawing
Anyone with the feeling they have been slighted in any way shape or form in this issue needs to stop, take a deep breath, and chill the fuck out. This is an incredibly common practice amongst game developers. The outrage over this amounts to nothing more than bitter jealous rage.
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There have been feats of strength that are much more difficult and limited than this one that have never received this level of backlash (see AQ40 openining, attending blizzcon)
Almost every other developer that has betas gives some type of ingame proof to let those players show they were in the beta as a thank you for participating. Blizzard is late to the part in this regard.
The entire thing is absurd. I can't believe of all things people are flipping out over this. God, you people won't even care in a week once the game is released. This is really an example of human beings at their absolute lowest, most primitive state.(Not directed at this forum, but at the official blizzard forums)
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Different people value different things when it comes to games. Some people prefer PvE, some PvP. Blizzard has stated they are focusing on making diablo 3 a co-op PvE game on a fundamental level and have made design decesions based on that direction. If you don't like that, then I'm sorry. If you do like that, then awesome.
End of discussion.
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The case of diablo 3 is that it is closer to the "lack of customization" extreme. With only your hero's name and gender being selectable (and to a lesser extent, armor dyes). I would have prefered Diablo 3 been more away from this extreme and allowed a bit more freedom in character creation.
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I know this.
I said it in post #47 in this topic.
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1. As much as I like, I don't see how it concerns you as to what I look at and how often.
2. The "dont show helm" option is invisble dye - usable on all types of armor to make them transparent.
3. It's a fantasy world. Theres nothing that holds them to saying a certain race is tied to a certain culture - espcially regarding what exists in real world culture. Have you ever heard of any Western European sects of Shaolin Monks? Clearly the culture they are taking from is eastern in orgin and visual appeal (see yin-yangs, orange sash robes, etc.) but has been made to portray anglo-saxxon men and women. There is even a direct blue comment on this talking about how they wanted to give each class and its lore alittle bit of twist. For barbarian they made him old with white hair instead of younger man more in his prime. For monk it was to make the appearance western rather than eastern. Saying it doesn't make sense that a different race be a WD is a bit trite in this instance.
EDIT: the comment from blizzard came from the GDC lecture on art in D3. It was linked to in a news story here if you want to find it. About an hour long but it was very interesting and informative if you get the opportunity.
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Playing D&D years ago we got to pick our race/class/gender/ etc. Is that not the norm? When a player starts D&D are they told they will play a 57 year-old middle eastern female cleric named "Verellia"?
This is news to me.
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Their given reason was that due to armor and the camera angle and distance, that it was a significant amount of development time for a feature that seemed to offer very little benefit. I disagree on some grounds (mainly that I will most likely play with invisible ink on my helms so I can see my guys face as I find it much more natural), but I can certainly understand how it ended on the development backburner in favor of other things.