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It's leon483 again, on a crusade about something the rest of us can't quite interpret...nothing to see here. I will note that just because someone's a streamer, it doesn't make them an authority on the game for everyone.

Quote from FreddyBenson

if you tell blizzard you want a Quater pounder with cheese they will come back with chicken chow mein

If you think Blizzard is that bad, why did you give them $60? (or whatever the price was in your country if not US).

If I thought a company was that bad, no way would I give them my money, but it doesn't seem to stop a bunch of you at all. You pay the money, then whine that Blizzard sucks, and has sucked for years.

And this isn't a subscription game, so you gave them all the money in one shot. No ongoing fees to give or not give. They've already gotten their profit from you.

(I'm not on the Blizzard-hating bandwagon myself. I have no problem with others not liking the game, or not liking Blizzard, but, ffs, if you think Blizzard is a horrible developer, *don't* pay them money then bitch. Just don't give them anything.)

Fact is, sure, you can go to the bank and try to pull back the money you paid for the item, but, if you do, I believe Blizzard is likely to ban the whole account for fraud. If you buy on the RMAH, and say it was a bad transaction, i.e. stolen card, then Blizzard's going to ban the account, or at least ban RMAH use, and make the item disappear from your character when they get the chargeback.

I have no sympathy for the OP. Take responsibility for your own actions. Research your $150 purchase before doing it.

Quote from Gheed2010

ITT: Newbs argue over a patch for a game where most have already lost interest. Drunk veterans troll.

I love these generalizations that the QQers make. Imagining that they're the majority.

If you're dying that much, you're doing it wrong/geared wrong/farming an Act or two too high.

Funny. Those who had given up on Inferno before are still whining, while my friends who thought it just needed a little tweak are happily farming Act 3 or 4 in the gear they used to do Act 2 in.

Good players adapt. Bad players whine. Figure out which one you are.

Um, you could...gasp...play the game and actually kill stuff, rather than exploit quests all day.

If you spew profanity on their forums, while doing such an unconstructive and whiny post...you'll get banned.

Get over yourself. Really. If GW2 is so awesome, delete D3 and go play it.

If you think it's that broken, then you should quit playing and stop whining about it.

No one's forcing you to buy anything. But, we can't save you from yourself. Have a nice day.

ITT: OP who has 'rushed' to 60 and then played the game endlessly for a couple weeks is bored and blames it on the game.

Go away, please, and whine to someone who cares. You got your money's worth already.

Quote from Twoflower » IMO the main problem in the diablo series ( and most other arpg ) is that you have no real endgame.

This argument has always made me want to get violent.

If you want raiding, or super-competitive high-end PvP then you're in the WRONG FUCKING GENRE and that's not a flaw of the genre. ARPGs are supposed to be simple games where you gain pleasure from smashing a skeleton with a huge mace and seeing loot pop out. It's, literally, supposed to be a simplified RPG with a focus on combat (the ACTION in Action RPG) and less focus on stats and pre-fight preparations.

Diablo doesn't need "endgame." It needs a good, fun, item hunt. And while I still loathe BoA and I think Smart Drops are too often, there's absolutely no denying that Loot 2.x is far better than Loot 1.x for the following reasons:

1) No more items with multiple primary stats. Remember that Skorn you got that had str, dex, and int on it and, which was basically ruined as a result? That doesn't happen anymore, and that alone has *severely* reduced the chance you're getting something that is pointless/useless.

2) No more class-specific items with the wrong primary stat. Again, this goes a long way to eliminating items that were just outright bad. No one really wanted a Dead Man's Legacy with strength on it. Now that's an impossibility and helps you know that any item has a worthwhile chance of being useful by reducing the chance that it will be decidedly *not* useful.

3) No pointless stat combinations (int plus Bash damage, etc.). Again, they're reducing the volume of outright terrible items that drop. No more WD skills paired with strength or dex. 1, 2, and 3 combined have a SIGNIFICANT impact on what is dropping. You rarely find something and think "this is total garbage" - although that does still happen with weapons, gloves, and jewelry because of the 1.x rolling rules making most of them superior to their level 60 2.x counterparts. This won't remain true at 70, though, so it's just a temporary issue.

4) Split stats are completely gone which drastically reduces the number of shitty properties that can appear on an item. There were six split stats (int-str, int-dex, int-vit, str-dex, str-vit, dex-vit) of which only ONE was actually useful for your character (proper primary + vit). That means every character now has five less bad potential properties to appear on an item. Massive change.

4) Tightened up stat ranges. When you ctrl-click a link, or ctrl-mouseover an item and you see the ranges you realize that most of them are roughly 50% smaller than they were in 1.x. This makes it such that you're not finding level 60 items with 25 resist all on them. It helps keep all the drops at least semi-relevant to the level on which they're being found.

5) Primary/Secondary split. This is more controversial, but disallowing items to roll EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE OFFENSIVE PROPERTY means that, as players, we do actually have to choose. It also increases the relevance of the Mystic in RoS. Now, instead of having to find a quintfecta item, you have to find an item with three correct primary stats and two acceptable secondary stats, then simply enchant it until you have the fourth primary stat you desire. Items should have rolled like this from the get-go. It never, ever, should have been possible to just stack primary + crit chance + crit damage + IAS on every slot they could roll on, and then get your EHP elsewhere. That was fundamentally-shortsighted and I'm glad it's (mostly) gone.

Is Loot 2.x perfect? Fuck no. But nothing, ever, is perfect. I've played a lot of games in my lifetime and I've never, ever, played a perfect game. Flaws exist and we, as human beings, have to acknowledge that and deal with it.

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Add in the "toughness" statistic and, for the average player, you now have a very handy way to determine if more HPs or more mitigation does more for your survivability. If you have payed attention to the toughness stat, at all, you're quickly realizing that you do not need res all or armor on every piece. In fact, I found an Eternal Union ring yesterday with the following stats:

255 intelligence
300 vitality
+20% life
853 life/sec
83 poison resistance
2003 life on kill

Notice it has no resist all or armor, but with my current gear setup it gives me 251,800 toughness (and 1194 healing) which is roughly 200k (and 1194) more than my previous ring while still being a minor offensive upgrade (I never was able to find very good rings pre-2.x). It does not have a massive amount of offense (255 int is kinda MEH for a ring slot) but the fact of the matter is that it has so much EHP and healing that it allows me to sacrifice EHP in other slots quite easily. And now I'm making CHOICES, which is good.

Quote from Twoflower

Quote from Pietrak

4) You exhibit oracle skills about RoS, while anything that will be bad with RoS will be fixed and patched in due time. The way itemization has been reworked (according to what the devs told us over the last months) it's natural that it's hard to find and upgrade now. The system was not designed for finding lvl 60 instant upgrades, but for providing a good experience for RoS endgame.

Hey, that was a nice one Specially the one about me being an oracle and not seeing how it all will be fixed. It made me grin, thumbs up.



Well maybe my point was kinda hidden in all that spam by people who dont read my posts. The thing is this :

IMO the main problem in the diablo series ( and most other arpg ) is that you have no real endgame. you level up, you gear up, and then there is nothing left to do. My point is that it doesn't matter if you level and gear up by Ah or by playing, you still reach the same end point of nothing to do. That's what I think is the main problem of the game and loot 2.0 doesnt change a thing about that.

What I would have loved to see are more things to do at endgear. Pvp, weekly or monthly competitions, ladders, races. Things that keep you busy after you decked out your char. Blizzard had quite a few new ideas in WoW that they keep working on to keep old players busy. I just dont see that in Diablo.

So really, cut the offensive crap and don't be a douche.

Sorry but there are people here who deserve nothing but offensive crap hurled at them. When I post this :

Quote fromTwoflower» Half of you didnt even read what I wrote and just serenaded your old "he just bought items for money and now is butthurt" shit.

and in the VERY NEXT post some idiot writes :

QuotefromCobearz» because he paid to win and now its no longer good.

then sorry, he is garbage. Dont shoot the messager

The Diablo games and most ARPG's never had end game and should never really have end game. To me End Game means the game is done and is time to move on to another game or to restart with another character.

The thing with DIablo II is that the item hunt did help make the game last longer after defeating Hell and if your character is in the 90's. But that was more for finding some specific gear for a new character build you want to try out or maybe for some PvP if you are into that.

In DIII Vanilla (Pre loot 2.0) Items did not really have that much unique or useful affixes except for the over powered ones and then the Auction House just added extra headaches to it since it was usually just easier and faster to search for the item on the Auction House. So for the loot finders it became kind of a big downer. And when the Auction House was getting too flooded with high end gear than Blizzard had to tone down the item drops or at least the chances for some of the higher end gear so for the self find players it became more of a downer. There was some good changes made over the patches but still not that many that had the impact on the main op affixes.

With loot 2.0 it made it that much more for the self find character and improvements to items since Auction House will no longer be with us in about a few weeks. Tonnes of interesting affixes have been added and they might look weak if just looking at the paper doll but they can be very strong if you use certain skills or other items that complement it. In the PtR I made a Lightning Barb and lost quite a bit of DPS on the paper doll but the character seemed to do more effective and more fun to play. I actually removed most Crit from that character as well as not using Skorn.

Maybe you just need some time to adjust to loot 2.0

People dislike the fact that permanence has been removed from character builds, because now they won't be able to lord their supreme builds over others for quite as long. This seems silly and childish, but for someone who's whole life revolves around the game, it could be a big letdown ^^

I don't think people see how much better the skill system is in Diablo 3. Everyone says that there is no customization. Has no one played Diablo 2? Everyone had the exact character build. Yes okay there were different builds but in the end everyone poured their skill points into the same best skills/synergies. In Diablo 3, skills are based on weapon damage and not based on the level of a skill. So, when you hit level 60, you might feel inclined to use a skill you unlocked at level 6.. and it will still be useful. So yes there will be many more builds in Diablo 3.