Quote from BigEd781
Quote from Tsukishima
Gearing is not dependent on AH.
You're supposed to use that BS to maintain equipment comparable for your level. Once you're in NM, you should also have significant gem upgrades which can make a world of difference as well for socketed weapons at that difficulty bracket.
Yep, that is theoretically correct. Of course, in practice, completely incorrect. You hit a wall in, say, Hell. What do you do?
1. Grind for hours/days/weeks to get better gear so that you can progress.
2. Spend a bunch of gold on the BS in hopes that one piece rolls well.
3. Go to the AH and spend 10k on an OP weapon. Proceed to annihilate everything in your path until you hit inferno.
#3 is the obvious choice, and #3 is what 99% of people will chose. So, in practice, that is the design, regardless of the developer's original intent. What you're "supposed to do" is irrelevant. Why would anyone waste time/gold when I have a sure-fire route to success via the AH?
I am in almost total agreement with you Big.
The BS provides ALL upgrades throughout hell difficulty. People see the option of using the AH, and they see better items on AH than they get via BS and they assume those are what they need. Hell difficulty can be played through completely off the BS. I have done it on most of my 60's while selling good drops for other classes on the AH.
Loot in this game is RNG. Eventually you will hit a soft cap on your gear where upgrades drop so rarely that they seem to never drop. Whether Bliz ups the quality of drops or not people will still bitch and complain about this. It is a lose lose situation. That being said, the item quality of drops in D2 were even shittier than in D3. How often in D2 did you get a rare drop? I mean seriously? 90% of the loot that dropped in D2 was blue. In my expansive time playing D2 I dropped more legendaries than useful rares. Every person I know or have played with will say the same thing in a heartbeat so long as they aren't wearing their rose tinted nostalgia glasses.
The only reason loot seems to be worse in D3 than in D2 is because D3's difficulty is infinitely higher than it was in D2. D2 was a game created for autistic blind monkeys when compared to D3. D3 having such a higher difficulty means that loot and gear actually matters. In D2 you could clear all of normal, nightmare, and a majority of hell "EASILY" while wearing the immortal Kings set. Immortal kings in D2 was a pre lvl 20 set. That speaks volumes about how terribly different D2 and D3 difficulty is.
Unfortunately some people are not intelligent enough to understand this and instead will make crybaby posts on unofficial forums.
Also, your comment about "supposed to do" hits the nail on the head. OP talks about "supposed to" or "should be able to" or whatever other nonsensical bullshit he has been spouting. Fact is that I did not receive a rulebook with the game telling me how I was supposed to do anything in the game. Retarded assumptions and ignorance IMO.
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I used to be excited when I saw a resp. chest. Now I couldn't care less; I click it and start running away before items drop, only turning back if I see a yellow (or, God willing, an orange) name.
Note that I don't care so much for guaranteed rares, just the MF boost.
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That BigEd was getting overly aggressive... I felt the need to take him down a notch and stick to cordial debate instead of joining in emotional, personal attacks/arguments. I looked back at some of my previous posts and didn't like much of what I saw, even if I haven't changed my mind about the argument I was making.
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It comes down to expectations; if this was a game which was not expected to last, a game which was intended to be played for ~20-40 hours and abandoned, then yes, it would be a great game. That is not the expectation of the community, nor is it the expectation of the developers.
All it needs are minor improvements/additions really. For example, the positive affix suggestion on the main page. Stuff like that keeps people playing. More levels, minor events, gear that isn't garbage 99.9% of the time. With a few tweaks here and there it could be a great game, it is not great right now however.
It's not "whining" to say that something which is broken is, in fact, broken. The most rare items in the game are almost all garbage. Complete and utter garbage. Writing off everyone who has complaints as "whiners" is simply bone-headed. The vast majority of the playerbase agrees that the implementation of legendaries was just plain stupid. Blizzard cares about how the players view their game, why do you think it is unimportant?
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What boggles the mind is how often this lame and narrow-minded argument is made. Not everything is black or white. Many of us have been waiting for this game for some time. We want this game to be great. We don't want to simply abandon ship at this point; we are hoping that improvements are made which give the game longevity.
We don't hate the game, but we see problems that need to be corrected. We are trying to find things to do in game so that we don't have to admit defeat and move on. We check back here often to see what's happening in the community and in the game.
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I can only play ~3 hours ~4 nights a week. Between work and a GF who hates video games, there just isn't a lot of time. It stayed fun for me longer than the people who already had 150+ hours in by week 3, but the same thing happened eventually. I just... need a bit more. It doesn't have to be anything drastic, just little things. It also doesn't help that I feel like there is about 0% chance of me finding anything good when I log in and play for 3 hours.
I don't recall experiencing any lag in DII when not playing online, but how is that even relevant? We're talking about DIII here, I said nothing about DII.
The lag that killed me was definitely my connection (I saw an immediate drop on my second monitor), but that is also irrelevant. If I were able to play offline it would be a non-issue (I have never played co-op, not once, and do not plan to. Ever). I know this is a dead horse though, so I'll stop beating on it.
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EDIT: I realize it's not an all or nothing scenario. However, breaking pots and opening chests is something I used to actually do. So now, in the name of "saving the economy", these have been relegated to obsolescence. I don't even bother going out of my way for them. So, because some people farmed these things, I can no longer profit from them *at all*.
This is my problem. Because some people go to extremes (and I don't care that they do), we all get punished. Give me back IAS stacking and MF for chests and pots. It was *fun*. I don't care that others will sit there and farm pots for days on end. I really don't, I just want to know that there is a chance, even a small one, of busting a pot and finding something awesome. That is no longer the case, and it sucks.
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False, ludicrous analogy.
My farming doesn't hurt you. Erasing my character does hurt me. And don't give me nonsense about "Diablo is an online game". Bullshit. We're not talking about a method that is 1000x times more efficient than anything else that would sink the economy. Blizz didn't nerf pots because it was too efficient, they nerfed it because "it's not fun" and "we didn't want people to feel pigeonholed into farming one way".
Likewise, this is not overly efficient. If they have a load issue and they need to put a reasonable limit on game creation I'm ok with that. I'm not ok with an arbitrary restriction so that I can play the game the way they think is "fun".
Again, in an attempt to prevent you or someone else from jumping all over me with another ludicrous analogy, I'm fine with them fixing exploits. This is not an exploit, nor was pot breaking and chest farming. They're not insanely efficient, they are just a bit more efficient in some cases.
I mean seriously; they up and made breaking pots and opening chests a complete waste of time. They, for all intents and purposes, removed these features from the game entirely so that you and I would not feel "forced" into farming this way. Right.
And also, no, I'm not ok with bots. I don't like them. If Blizz honestly can't figure out any way to stop botters other than nerfing certain ways of farming then they have failed in their job.
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So you're saying, what; he is having fun, he just doesn't know it? Ridiculous. A game is about fun, and that's subjective. If you enjoy farming for hours on end and finding little to nothing then great, you love this game, we all know. The OP wants to like the game, but like many others, is having a hard time staying interested.
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*sigh*, c'mon, I know you're not an idiot...
It is some part speculation, but another part is not as Blizz has said already that perfectly rolled rares will still be the best gear around. I'm ok with this! If you read my last post you will see that yes; I wish legendaries were the best of the best, but I can live with them being on par with well rolled rares because then I will still be excited to see one drop. Not once have I said that they will remain crappy after 1.1 launches.
God damn, the people around here are so quick to snap back with a typical, canned response and almost unwilling to actually spend a few moments thinking about what person wrote.