This is your first post here and you're kinda advertising Path of the 90's so yeah, not much credibility there.
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Kallizk posted a message on Rant from an old D3 playerPosted in: Diablo III General Discussion -
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Bagstone posted a message on Brainless Builds Comparison: Sage's set builds (with videos)A few days ago, I asked about Sage's builds in this thread. Seeing a build is one thing; but it's not the same as playing it, and some builds really surprised me when I tested them. Also, sometimes builds are exaggerating in their advertisement (there are probably 100 builds called "best build ever" in our DB, so which one is the best)? Therefore, I decided to compare them. And I call this the:Posted in: Diablo III General Discussion
Brainless Builds Comparison
Why "brainless"? Because Torment farming is boring and monotonous, and I want to be able to watch something while playing and not having to pay attention to cooldowns, CoE rotations, and so on. Also, I don't have time to practice a dozen builds for 5 hours; I just have a go at it. So here are my rules:
- 12 minutes of rifting.
- No practicing of the build; just have a go!
- No goblins, except for Blood Thiefs.
- Always test on T8 and T10, go higher if build looks promising.
- I test all the builds that were proposed in this thread.
In addition to the Death's Breath per session (take that times 5 to get the DB/hour), I also make my own very subjective assessment of each skill according to 4 categories:
- Off (offensive): Perceived damage output, burst on elites.
- Def (defensive): Toughness, especially how much I had to dodge.
- Speed: How fast does it *feel*.
- Lazy: Can I just randomly push buttons or are their cycles, rotations, timing, resource handling etc?
=============================================================================================Build Comparison Table (12 minute rifts, no goblins, T8, TX, T11+ opt)
Class Build T8 TX T11 T12 T13 Off Def Speed Lazy Videos Barb Raekor 119 123 72 - - Link Crus Akkhan+Norv. 124 148 134 124 109 Link Crus Roland - 124 125 - - - DH Sha-dow 122 119 91 - - Link DH Natalya 88 81 - - - Link Monk (*) SWK LTK 126 131 181 145 151 138 Link Monk SWK WoL 98 118 - - - Link Monk Inna 103 91 - - - Link Necro Pestilence 107 116 - - - - WD Zuni 100 114 - - - Link WD Chickn Harv. 106 82 - - - Link Wizard (²) Tal Electr. 99 100 102 - - Link Wizard Tal EB 111 137 151 111 - Link Wizard Tal AT - - 133 - - -
- (*) The 181 DB on T11 were with insanely good rift RNG, so I did a re-run. See Q&A for details.
- (²) All Tal Elecrocute runs were unfortunately a bit flawed (bad RNG etc.), so numbers are a bit lower than they should be. Still, Tal EB is stronger. See Q&A.
Q&A
Q: Why are you not running T9? And why not focus on T13?
A: The answer is in this simple graph. Going from T8 to T9 is only a 9% improvement in DB drops, but obviously the usual 19% increase in difficulty, so it's a bad trade-off. T10 and T11 are fine again. T12 and T13 are overall really bad for Sage's builds. The reason for this is that Sage's does not *double* your DB drops, but it drops *an additional one* whenever a mob drops any DB (regardless the amount). So when you get 3 DBs on T13, Sage's just gives you a fourth, which is a small benefit compared to T8 where you have a 85% chance for a single DB drop and thus almost double your DB gain. In short, T8, T10, and T11 are the best tiers for DB overall.
Q: 12 minutes of rifts is a laughably short time. Why not run longer?
A: I did 34 runs of 12 minutes, so that's already 7 hours of videos. If I had run a full hour run that would be 34 hours. Including setup time of builds, editing the video, uploading, and so on, the patch would be out before I'd be finished. However, I did an estimate about how high the error rate is, and I was surprised to see that 12 minutes might be better than expected (see next question). But bottom line, I'd rather run more builds on more difficulties.
Q: How high is the error rate?
A: (TL;DR: About 12%). For the monk SWK LTK build on T11, I actually got insanely good RNG. As you can see in the video, basically elite-stacked open area maps non-stop. I immediately new the 181 (which would sum up to 900 DB/hour!) was an outlier. So I did another run, and as I had hoped I got "extremely unlucky" with only long tube maps except for one Oasis (but that had one had almost no elites). I also hit the endstone two times, which means losing 2 times ~25 seconds where I'm just standing around. So this 145 is the lower ceiling, and therefore I think if we take the average for that run (163) and assume an error rate of very roughly 12%, it might not be too far off. Which is very surprising and makes DB hunting less RNG-dependent than other activities, such as GR key farming!
Q: So looking at your numbers, it looks like some classes just suck at DB farming. Should I make an LTK monk?
A: Absolutely no. First, look at these charts: T8 and TX comparison of top builds per class incl. error bars. As you can see, all of them are basically in range of their respective error bars. Second, those results are for *me* and are more representative of *my* personal build preferences. Third, running Torment will also yield a lot of loot; you should always run Torment on your main class (or at least a class where you get useful loot, like a barb when you're gearing a LoN bomb crus).
Q: I'm an author of one of the builds. You played it all wrong! Can you re-do the run?
A: In short: no. One of the perks of labeling this comparison "brainless" means that if I failed your build, it's not good for a brainless player. Of course your build might still be awesome! Feel free to make your own "pro-player comparison" where you showcase each build including hours of practice ;-) That being said, if you're the author of one of the builds and want feedback, feel free to post here or PM me. Or if you're not an author and have questions, of course post as well!
Q: Build X for class Y sucks, you should've run my build Z. Can you run it?
A: Feel free to post your build. If I have time and a build piques my interest, I might have a go at it. However, after recording all those videos I have more DBs than all other (white+blue+yellow) mats combined, so I'm currently running non-Sage's builds (ironic, isn't it). -
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WhiskyGeorge posted a message on Factors that killed D3Posted in: Diablo III General DiscussionDipshits who complain endlessly about a bunch of nothing are what killed the game.
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FireEvil posted a message on Factors that killed D3Posted in: Diablo III General DiscussionPLAYERBASE
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Demonmonger posted a message on Factors that killed D3Posted in: Diablo III General DiscussionNone of these ruined the game, the game itself is just fine.
Everyone who votes for one of these issues has something else in common, THEY HAVE PLAYED THE GAME FAR TOO MUCH AND ARE BURNT OUT.
That is the common factor in 99% of people who complain that D3 is dead, yada yada
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This is bullshit. Guys don't worry and keep using armory. Just make sure you know what are you doing. And don't do that with full inventory, or the gems drop on the ground.
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I really hope there will be new expansion and Necromancer. If they change some WDs skills like haunt etc, it will make perfect sense. Necromancer was my the most favorite char in Diablo 2 and I would really like to see him in Diablo 3