U should stop trolling seriously, u basically dont even read what I write and just spew stuff for the sake of raising your post count.
Its not ridiculous its not passive aggressive it is nothing its just advice.
Tell me what is wrong in saying this : "You can farm pretty good with a 20 million set". "Even tho you can play as u wish, a 20 mil set will not make so that you can farm efficiently + carefree with any spec".
Am I not right? With my gear I can go in MP5 and do w/e the hell I want with w/e the hell spec I want and farm pretty efficient.But that is because my gear is worth more.I could not do that with a 20 mil set or even a 100 mil set.
So obviusly in order to maximize your 20 mil set you would have to gravitate towards a more commonly used spec.
what is wong in all that?Nothing
And btw stop with this constant "cookie-cutter" build that "cookie-cutter" build this.All players use the same builds almost and everybody either stays "cookie-cutter" or make slight changes to the build, depending on their gear or their goal at the momet. Stop pretending like im advocating worshiping The devil or smth.
@ Bagstone, nothing I have written is douchy. If telling the truth is douchy, fine fuck it.
I said everybody do what they want BUT DO NOT FUCKING COMPLAIN THAT 11 MILLION IS MUCH TO YOU IF U ARE NOT PLAYING EFFICIENTLY. Do you understand those words? Do you? read them again and again.
And when on Gods fucking green Eearth did I argue about what is fun for me should be fun for others, I just gave directives on what people should do with their 20 mil sets, and that exploded into these trolls attacking me. If that is not contribuition to the people "beneath" I dont know what is. But pls do support the trolls and alienate the players who actually care lol.
And lets be clear bout something , I dont give a shit I have 1 million people that im better than when it comes to gear.It seems that u do tho.I was just giving advice, but hey "This is why we can't have nice things".Trolls back up trolls and then the good people actually leave and u are left with people saying "Yea dont do MP10 its for CC users and shit".
Where did I say that?I said play as you wish but if you want to get the best out of your gear u should go that build, or smth like that. D3 is a game about efficiency u cant play with low paragon lvls and no efficiency and expect to get good items and then argue on forums that "x" amount of gold is too much for you cause, just cause it is.I'm sorry it's too much for you cause you have no clue how to play not cause the Diablo 3 Godz said "Ok this guy is gonna get fucked ok guys?".
Everybody can do as they please that's what i've been saying. I was just offering more ways to do things. U can do them or not. I offered efficient advice cause I'm interested in being good at this game if i'm playing it and im guessing so are others..But I guess trolls will back trolls up.U guys are almost cute.
Well if u just put a gem in your head and play on MP6 , i think getting more dps is better to clear faster.Hellfire rings is not so good anymore since with mp6 + 5stack u will get an enourmos amount of XP anyway since XP stacks different now ( cant explain it cause im too stupid but it just gives u more than it did in 1.0.7. ) and I would argue from seeing my friend play on his DH ( both of u have similar gear ) that u should get a 280+ dex dead man's legacy since u just arent going to be that much in danger that u will need to min max your discipline at this point.
Man just stay 2 LS. 1 LS wep means u completely outgear MP10.Which most of us dont. I do MP10 with 2 WKLs, one for dmg one for LS, because reflect is the only thing that really does dmg.
For TC/Cyclone stuff just use 1h sick Rare with CHD/LS/Socket/Dex ( spear/mace, maybe axe if u cant find ) and a WKL with LS. ( just buy two of them bitches one with CHD and one with LS , socket obv ).
For any other build just get 2x sick rares if u cannot stand EF.
People are already complaining the dps is way too high.A socket on a godly #1-3 EU weapon would just be completly sick.I'd rather have more interesting items or affixes on the weeapons as Zero said. This one socket thingy might look good at first but its just something very soulless and uncreative.
Thing is people dont start at that level?What does that even mean lol. Do you people think before you write?
I just said what I could probably do.And u get to P100 and high dps by playing and playing efficiently not fucking around and then cursing all the newgods and the old gods in game of thrones that u dont have items.If u cant stick to a char, u will never have the Paragon level to have the MF that u need to farm efficiently ( meaning like 350-400 ).
And I hate to break it to you but as you would've known if u read what I wrote previously i've been through patch 1.0.0 onwards and was atank for lot of time before steadily increasing my dmg.I have worked for what I have.
At what point did I say it is PL100 250k or nothing?please show me where I am wrong, I dare you.
btw I m guessiing you and makka are taking turns trolling me lol, im such an idiot.
^ people like Makka like to say stuff like that that 11 mil is ALL I HAVE EVER GOTTEN OMG GOD HATES ME. Instead of blaming themselves for never ever being efficient. I means seriosly 11 mil?I can pick that up with my no pick up radius monk farming MP10 1 hours a day in a week prolly and selling some garbage 50k-500k yellows on AH.
It is so easy to blame the game and not look at yourself and see that you are doing everything wrong.
O and Makka having 20k elites killed with just one char ( meaning u invested time and have some paragon levels actually ) is a thing and being a character hopper is another.Yea sure diversity blalbla fucking blaa. Dont whine that u dont have gold and belittle people who have more then you cause u have no clue how to be efficient.U 2k+ post having troll.
Tbh I havent seen ( or maybe I havent read ) thread where people say look at me I can do MP10 im cool ( with having gear that is clearly not good for MP10 ).I mean most people by now know they are supposed to do the MP that suits them.But yea I agree MP10 is not the end all be all. Blizzard have said themselves they didnt want MP10 to be so buffed with extra goodies that its THE place to farm.
The 100% bonus drop rate is ok, but that as I said, I view MP10 as an achievement that was made through , to repeat myself, blood and sweat, and resisting the urge to roll barb ( or DH wiz back when they farmed ACt3-4 and us mere mortals were stuck farming act1 ).
Where in the world did I bash other people's choices ?You're so stiff and u cant even have a normal conversation with somebody.
I've said numerous times in my posts that everyone should play what they please.I never bashed people playing lower MP.I defended MP10 because the people you are defending are doing what you say I'm doing and that is bashing other people's choices ( playing MP10 in this case ).
So before u get into an argument as I said, get your fact straight and stop trolling.
And u dont have to be a credit card warrior to play MP10, i've played basically only my monk since realease and I've had a very very steady increase in dps.I never got 500mil drops but I gots lots of drops of like 80mil-ish at some point.I've went through hell with my monk until they actually nerfed inferno since I was just a attack speed LoH tank like everyother monk with no gold.Made some flips along the ( lucky ones I guess since I cannot stand to stay on the AH for more then 10 minutes when im flipping ).
Some of us acutally see MP10 as something of an achievement,besides a good place to farm.I remember when I had like 100k dps and was wondering how in the blue hell am i ever going to get to 150k.Now im at ~250k with WKL after a lot of fail fips, a lot of blood and sweat.MP10 is an achievement to do easy, if you arent a credit card warrior that is, but that's a term you people use, I just see it as people with enough money to not care + its their fun , not your so why would u care anyway.
I have not seen one intelligent argument here besides "MP10 not good cause I cannot do it so it must not be good" or " U have missed the point of my MP10 bashing".Yes I'm the one who missed the point not you talking about basically nothing and making up stuff.
btw this thread just shows how insecure nerds are, turning into girls basically, in the sense that once u lose the argument u talk bout something completely different and just be passive aggressive.Grow the hell up.
If I miss a point fine, I'm an idiot, who cares?Fact is MP10 is good if u can do it. MP5 is good if u can do it.
U see me defending MP10 and at the same time all my big sells that have droped have been in MP1-2.Strange but since MP10 is almost like MP2 to me I dont really care.
LE : Maka dude, u lost just hang it up stop trolling. I never said just get cookie cutter and shut up.
Its a freaking fact that some builds work way better in in MP10 than others.There arent that many builds for monks for example or for wizards or barbs and DH are just obsolete baring 2000billion gear ( talking MP10 here ).
All I said was there are builds that u can get a lot more out of than others. A 20 mil bell build is much better than a 20 mil Speed Palm buid.
U say why and I say shut up?Where?I explained why, cause u get a lot more out of it ( meaning u need better gear to make the speed palm really good, while u dont need that much to make a bell build work, ), im not saying that is what u should be playing, it's not like I can control your brain or smth.All I'm saying is that if u really want to get the most out of it should play that spec + there are some variatons to the bell spec , its not set in stone, so seriously just go to bed, go home, stop trolling, cause im guessing that's how u made your 2k+ posts, trolling people.
Its not an obssesion if it has something plus ( like 100% bonus item drop ) and u do it as fast as lets say MP7-8.Maybe like 5% harder , maybe.If ure farming white mobs u should go MP10 so u get the full bonus.If ure farming essences, by all means MP10 is a waste in the sense that MP9 VOA is like what 20-25% faster and its only like a -3% chance.
Stop bashing people who llike to do MP10 and grow up.Everybody does what suits them.For me , I see no point in MP5-7 since its almost like MP1 to me, meaning I do 1 blinding flash and the pack is dead, and white mobs are all the same in terms of how fast they die.So naturally i'll play on MP10 where I kill stuff almost as fast with 250k unbuffed dps.
It's not an obssesion if u have the gear for it, I sure hope jealous kids like yourself stop saying that.Just cause u are an underachiever doesnt mean other people should be aswell.It's like saying to people in WoW that they have an obssesion to play HC cause its the hardest difficuly only to get a 20 main stat bump on their already awesome trinket.U sir fail so much.
The amount of completely wrong information in this thread is staggering.
First of all, if u cannot do MP1 on 100mil TR monk, u are doing something extremely , extremely fkn wrong.And DH, yes I admit DH are freaking broken atm in terms of either u have 100bill worth of gear and u farm MP10 or u dont.
And excuse me but 100 mil is worthless atm and u can get v good gear with it.And as I said u can get the lesser version of the 100mil set with 20 mil and still farm very good, with the amount of evidence against what you claim , im really dumbfounded that you would write what you have written.
And, if someone is active and 100mil is much, they havent been playing and are in the "1000 elites killed and complaining on forums" crowd.
I mean for fuck sake 20 mil is what 0.50 freaking cents?
Nothing u said in your posts rings any truth whatsoever, besides the DH not farming high MP with 100mil which is 100% true.
O , and there is nothing wrong with cookie cutter build.It's just a fact that u can get more out of your 20mil or 100mil budget with a bell build than a Speed Palm build.U people really need to get your facts straight.
Dunno about anyone else but I love that Blizzard has the balls to just flat out do stuff like this, and its not like it's a one time thing, it has happened many times.If they dont like it, fuck it.
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Its not ridiculous its not passive aggressive it is nothing its just advice.
Tell me what is wrong in saying this : "You can farm pretty good with a 20 million set". "Even tho you can play as u wish, a 20 mil set will not make so that you can farm efficiently + carefree with any spec".
Am I not right? With my gear I can go in MP5 and do w/e the hell I want with w/e the hell spec I want and farm pretty efficient.But that is because my gear is worth more.I could not do that with a 20 mil set or even a 100 mil set.
So obviusly in order to maximize your 20 mil set you would have to gravitate towards a more commonly used spec.
what is wong in all that?Nothing
And btw stop with this constant "cookie-cutter" build that "cookie-cutter" build this.All players use the same builds almost and everybody either stays "cookie-cutter" or make slight changes to the build, depending on their gear or their goal at the momet. Stop pretending like im advocating worshiping The devil or smth.
@ Bagstone, nothing I have written is douchy. If telling the truth is douchy, fine fuck it.
I said everybody do what they want BUT DO NOT FUCKING COMPLAIN THAT 11 MILLION IS MUCH TO YOU IF U ARE NOT PLAYING EFFICIENTLY. Do you understand those words? Do you? read them again and again.
And when on Gods fucking green Eearth did I argue about what is fun for me should be fun for others, I just gave directives on what people should do with their 20 mil sets, and that exploded into these trolls attacking me. If that is not contribuition to the people "beneath" I dont know what is. But pls do support the trolls and alienate the players who actually care lol.
And lets be clear bout something , I dont give a shit I have 1 million people that im better than when it comes to gear.It seems that u do tho.I was just giving advice, but hey "This is why we can't have nice things".Trolls back up trolls and then the good people actually leave and u are left with people saying "Yea dont do MP10 its for CC users and shit".
Good job diablo fan forums, good fucking job.
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Everybody can do as they please that's what i've been saying. I was just offering more ways to do things. U can do them or not. I offered efficient advice cause I'm interested in being good at this game if i'm playing it and im guessing so are others..But I guess trolls will back trolls up.U guys are almost cute.
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For TC/Cyclone stuff just use 1h sick Rare with CHD/LS/Socket/Dex ( spear/mace, maybe axe if u cant find ) and a WKL with LS. ( just buy two of them bitches one with CHD and one with LS , socket obv ).
For any other build just get 2x sick rares if u cannot stand EF.
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I just said what I could probably do.And u get to P100 and high dps by playing and playing efficiently not fucking around and then cursing all the newgods and the old gods in game of thrones that u dont have items.If u cant stick to a char, u will never have the Paragon level to have the MF that u need to farm efficiently ( meaning like 350-400 ).
And I hate to break it to you but as you would've known if u read what I wrote previously i've been through patch 1.0.0 onwards and was atank for lot of time before steadily increasing my dmg.I have worked for what I have.
At what point did I say it is PL100 250k or nothing?please show me where I am wrong, I dare you.
btw I m guessiing you and makka are taking turns trolling me lol, im such an idiot.
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It is so easy to blame the game and not look at yourself and see that you are doing everything wrong.
O and Makka having 20k elites killed with just one char ( meaning u invested time and have some paragon levels actually ) is a thing and being a character hopper is another.Yea sure diversity blalbla fucking blaa. Dont whine that u dont have gold and belittle people who have more then you cause u have no clue how to be efficient.U 2k+ post having troll.
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The 100% bonus drop rate is ok, but that as I said, I view MP10 as an achievement that was made through , to repeat myself, blood and sweat, and resisting the urge to roll barb ( or DH wiz back when they farmed ACt3-4 and us mere mortals were stuck farming act1 ).
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I've said numerous times in my posts that everyone should play what they please.I never bashed people playing lower MP.I defended MP10 because the people you are defending are doing what you say I'm doing and that is bashing other people's choices ( playing MP10 in this case ).
So before u get into an argument as I said, get your fact straight and stop trolling.
And u dont have to be a credit card warrior to play MP10, i've played basically only my monk since realease and I've had a very very steady increase in dps.I never got 500mil drops but I gots lots of drops of like 80mil-ish at some point.I've went through hell with my monk until they actually nerfed inferno since I was just a attack speed LoH tank like everyother monk with no gold.Made some flips along the ( lucky ones I guess since I cannot stand to stay on the AH for more then 10 minutes when im flipping ).
Some of us acutally see MP10 as something of an achievement,besides a good place to farm.I remember when I had like 100k dps and was wondering how in the blue hell am i ever going to get to 150k.Now im at ~250k with WKL after a lot of fail fips, a lot of blood and sweat.MP10 is an achievement to do easy, if you arent a credit card warrior that is, but that's a term you people use, I just see it as people with enough money to not care + its their fun , not your so why would u care anyway.
I have not seen one intelligent argument here besides "MP10 not good cause I cannot do it so it must not be good" or " U have missed the point of my MP10 bashing".Yes I'm the one who missed the point not you talking about basically nothing and making up stuff.
btw this thread just shows how insecure nerds are, turning into girls basically, in the sense that once u lose the argument u talk bout something completely different and just be passive aggressive.Grow the hell up.
If I miss a point fine, I'm an idiot, who cares?Fact is MP10 is good if u can do it. MP5 is good if u can do it.
U see me defending MP10 and at the same time all my big sells that have droped have been in MP1-2.Strange but since MP10 is almost like MP2 to me I dont really care.
LE : Maka dude, u lost just hang it up stop trolling. I never said just get cookie cutter and shut up.
Its a freaking fact that some builds work way better in in MP10 than others.There arent that many builds for monks for example or for wizards or barbs and DH are just obsolete baring 2000billion gear ( talking MP10 here ).
All I said was there are builds that u can get a lot more out of than others. A 20 mil bell build is much better than a 20 mil Speed Palm buid.
U say why and I say shut up?Where?I explained why, cause u get a lot more out of it ( meaning u need better gear to make the speed palm really good, while u dont need that much to make a bell build work, ), im not saying that is what u should be playing, it's not like I can control your brain or smth.All I'm saying is that if u really want to get the most out of it should play that spec + there are some variatons to the bell spec , its not set in stone, so seriously just go to bed, go home, stop trolling, cause im guessing that's how u made your 2k+ posts, trolling people.
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Stop bashing people who llike to do MP10 and grow up.Everybody does what suits them.For me , I see no point in MP5-7 since its almost like MP1 to me, meaning I do 1 blinding flash and the pack is dead, and white mobs are all the same in terms of how fast they die.So naturally i'll play on MP10 where I kill stuff almost as fast with 250k unbuffed dps.
It's not an obssesion if u have the gear for it, I sure hope jealous kids like yourself stop saying that.Just cause u are an underachiever doesnt mean other people should be aswell.It's like saying to people in WoW that they have an obssesion to play HC cause its the hardest difficuly only to get a 20 main stat bump on their already awesome trinket.U sir fail so much.
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Fact , u said u have active people ( IN PATCH 1.0.8 ) and that 100 mil si a LOT A FUCKING LOT ( go back to Fact number 1 and to the 20mil version )
Fact : 0.5 cents is nothing
Fact : You're mentality of 24/7 farming = 100 mil, is insulting to anyone's intelligence
Fact : Lucky = 2 bill . Some work put in the game = 100mil, which your "friends" prolly havent put
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First of all, if u cannot do MP1 on 100mil TR monk, u are doing something extremely , extremely fkn wrong.And DH, yes I admit DH are freaking broken atm in terms of either u have 100bill worth of gear and u farm MP10 or u dont.
And excuse me but 100 mil is worthless atm and u can get v good gear with it.And as I said u can get the lesser version of the 100mil set with 20 mil and still farm very good, with the amount of evidence against what you claim , im really dumbfounded that you would write what you have written.
And, if someone is active and 100mil is much, they havent been playing and are in the "1000 elites killed and complaining on forums" crowd.
I mean for fuck sake 20 mil is what 0.50 freaking cents?
Nothing u said in your posts rings any truth whatsoever, besides the DH not farming high MP with 100mil which is 100% true.
O , and there is nothing wrong with cookie cutter build.It's just a fact that u can get more out of your 20mil or 100mil budget with a bell build than a Speed Palm build.U people really need to get your facts straight.