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Quote from Speaker

dude get a life trying to prove me wrong. Your bullets #1-3 are exactly what I said and your fourth bullet was never mentioned in the blue post at all, which is exactly the point I was making earlier.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong. If you'd like to know my personal opinion on this matter, I actually think that you are most likely right. Thing is, that's just a guess based on nothing more than my experience of how software bugs tend to occur. The fact is, all we have from Blizzard is that they are investigating the issue, and that as far as I know, nobody in the community has done the sort of independent investigation that would be needed to provide evidence one way or the other.

So once again, I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I'm just trying to get you to stop pretending that your personal guess - which, as I said, I think is probably correct - is an established fact. Because it isn't.

This is all I could find on the BlueTracker:

http://www.diablofan...max-mf-dispute/

The Magic Find and Gold Find percentages for both follower contributions and Fortune Shrine bonuses are intended to respect the 300% MF/GF cap. Nephalem Valor bonuses will continue to stack beyond this cap, however.

That said, we’ve seen some posts that MF/GF contributions from followers may currently be stacking above the cap, and we’re looking into those reports.

(emphasis mine)

If anyone can find a post after they looked into the reports, which says whether it is a display error or whether the followers' MF is genuinely adding beyond 375%, please link it.

Quote from Holycrepe

Just because people list them for those prices does not mean they are really selling for that...

This this this. Hell, I've seen level 3 white items on the AH for 100 million gold. Not sure what sort of mis-click they were fishing for there.

But, balanced against that - you ask "Does everybody have 100s of mil to blow?" - No, they don't. But they don't need to - if you find a rare and powerful legendary in the early days of 1.0.4, you only need one fantastically rich buyer to make you fantastically rich yourself. That why they always called Diablo-style games "loot lotteries".

This is why it is impossible for any game developer to tune a difficulty level that makes everyone happy.

The point they've tuned it at now has some players virtually falling asleep playing through normal and nightmare and sometimes even hell, whilst others honestly find those difficulty levels too difficult. Hell, I even remember early after release a thread on the forums that started with one player who quite honestly declared that he was disappointed with D3 because normal-mode Belial was literally impossible for him to beat.

p.s. if you "don’t have time to obsess over [your] character build".. if it's any consolation, when I got to the point where I really felt that I'd hit the wall, it took no more than five minutes of forum browsing and a couple of skill changes to get me moving forward again. I guarantee you that you can make things a lot easier without having to get into Elitist Jerks levels of spreadsheet crunching.

Similarly, I would say that unless you are deliberately aiming for a challenge mode - and it doesn't sound like you are - just go to the AH and buy a few pieces. At your level, even a few thousand gold will buy you massive upgrades. I'm not telling you to bust out the credit card and buy your way to power, just go an buy a weapon with double the DPS of your current one. You'll probably find hundreds of them for sale for not much more than their vendor price.

I understand that some people aren't happy about this game design decision, but as Blizzard said, loot drops are tuned around the idea that the AH is there for trading, if you choose not to use it you are deliberately choosing to play a challenge mode. It's probably on par with playing hardcore rather than regular mode.

Quote from Daemaro

I've said plenty of things in anger, not usually in public though. They thought that conversation was private for some reason.

That was my reaction too. I've said far, far worse about former co-workers in private conversations. And I'd be mortified if what I thought was private turned out to be public. I don't use Facebook, though, so it seems I'm a lot less at risk of that happening than most of the human race.

Quote from GreenWins

So what do you guys think?

I think that you could have raised the question "how will paragon levels interact with a potential level cap raise in an expansion?" without so much emotive language. Almost felt like reading the official forums for a moment there.

Having said that, why assume that an expansion will include a level cap increase? It didn't in Diablo 2. Obviously that doesn't mean it won't here, but it's something to consider.

Quote from zomgDPS

This..
The official forums already totally exploded, but every single thread about the topic was swiftly deleted. Users were banned and it was just a widespread bloodbath by the CMs.

Good stuff. Few thousand more permabans and the official forums might potentially become a place where people who play Diablo III can gather to discuss Diablo III. Radical idea, I know.

Wordpress and blogger.com are over that way if people want to post spittle-flecked rants. That's why they were invented.

Quote from hemlockrogue

Am I the only one that thinks the Diablo III development team are the laziest people on the planet?

Am I the only one that thinks that if I wanted to hear crybabies whining and throwing temper tantrums there's already a perfectly good set of official D3 forums where I can do that?

Quote from Badglad

Do you do anything but find complaints to bitch about :)?

IDK, when I see someone using that kind of language to describe their feelings about D3, I feel it's a perfectly reasonable question as to why they're hanging around a fansite. Nothing about "puking bile up my mother's asshole" is anything other than the raging of someone who is too insecure to move the fuck on. Period, end of story. In fact, it reeks of the same kind of idiocy that the Ugandans use in their anti-homosexual propaganda materials.

Quote from ruksak

D2 didn't feel so empty BECAUSE there were so many item types. Maybe you don't find that Griff or HoZ you've been after, but you did find a kick ass SC, or facet, or +15% superior archon, or a unique facet, or a 3 affix jewel, or a high rune, or an eth fools blade, or a vision circ, or an anni, or a torch, or or or or or or or or shoot me in the fucking head.....

I don't disagree with you, I just think you're missing what I'm saying.

Look, the both of us know that the root of the problem is this BoA homogenized "everyone gets the same experience~~!~!!!!!~~!111!one!~" dipshit line of thinking. In a game that is based on RNG it's not possible for everyone to get the same experience. I'm in the middle of a 7-10 day dry streak. My brother, however, is finding legendaries like some rapper is there making it rain on a bitch. And, despite that having a psychological effect on me, I don't have any general complaints about the system because that's RNG and I'm a big boy and I can handle that. An ARPG which isn't based on RNG loot probably wouldn't work anyway.

However, it SHOULD underscore that trying to give everyone the "same experience" by removing trading is about as asinine as trying to give every gambler the "same experience" at a slot machine. Luck is luck is luck is luck and because of that some people are going to have a better experience and some will have a worse experience. So what we really should have are the current drop rates coupled with MEANINGFUL ITEM SINKS, and more binding mechanics like enchanting (you customize it you can't trade it anymore, so sorry).

They're going to give us ladders. Ladders with exclusive items. And that will be the nail in the coffin for me. Why? Because what's the point. We have no economy. There's no need to force us to reset things as there is in D2 or PoE. But they're still going to lock items behind character resets? WHY? Why do we need resets in this game? I am having trouble talking myself into leveling my last two classes from 60 to 70 because it's repetitive. What in the world can I gain from having to endure forced resets to attain items that aren't attainable any other way, and then to have to submit to RNG? At least in D2 if you didn't get your runewords in the ladder season you still had a hope to trade for them.

They can design the most amazing items in the world, but so long as builds are defined by items, the inability to exercise some form of control over what items you're getting (and gambling doesn't really achieve this very well) and, therefore, having some control over what build you are using (not every monk out there wants to run a lightning build, not every barb wants to run a fire build), the whole thing is fraudulent.

They could implement all the charms and jewels and whatever. But so long as RNG determines what builds you, or I, can play, the system will NEVER live up to its potential. Ever. End of story.

So, as long as they keep going down this "BoA is going to let us raise the drop rates and you'll be constantly excited to kill a monster, therefore everyone's experience will be exactly the same" approach that flies in the face of what we know RNG to actually be, it doesn't matter what they do with sockets, or items, or anything else. All we have is no trading under a completely false guise that now self-found will be viable. All they really did was remove 90% of the worst offenders when it came to bad drops. We are still mired with undesirable items (white/blue/yellow may as well auto-salvage once you're in Torment) and some people are still "ahead" of others due to RNG. So we're not getting an "equal" experience.

Trading was just a convenient scapegoat. RNG will be RNG no matter what. Some will be lucky, some won't. But that means we can't have an "equal" experience. And, until they pull their heads out of their asses and realize that, they're being far too ignorant of a very basic problem that the game is facing. The "forced equity" that we were promised was going to fix things hasn't really fixed anything. So charms, trinkets, wheel barrows, whatever... it's all window dressings on a fundamentally-backwards philosophy that isn't going to work in the long term.

Quote from ruksak »
I'll leave it to the pros to figure that part out, instead waxing my amateur developer fantasies for everyone to endure. A new slot for a new item that DOESN'T follow the same main stat 4/2 theology?

A "talisman"that takes up 1 sector in your bag that does something other than main stat blah blah blah.....? More choices isn't a bad thing, unless you're a lazy dev that doesn't want to create balancing issues.

And I totally agree with that. Except, in the current implementation, even if that "talisman" or "trinket" or "thingermerbobber" did give bonuses that were completely unavailable on other gear, it's just one more slot where we're backed into a corner by RNG. I really think in the short and long term that would just serve to frustrate players even more.

Using the jewels/gems discussion, imagine if you found the absolute BiS chest. And then you think to yourself "oh, god, I have to go find three perfectly-rolled jewels to put into this" - at what point does it just become this massive butt-fucking from RNG that you're subjecting everything to? At what point does adding MORE layers of random become prohibitive to anyone who is playing less than 10 hours/day? That's what specifically concerns me about jewels in a BoA game.

I know we're not really supposed to discuss moderation in public, but I'd really like to see some kind of action with all the QQ threads about how Blizzard kicked someone's dog and their account got flagged for bad loot.

It's not that discussing drop rates is a bad thing. It's more that individual threads for each person who hits a dry streak and needs to rage on the forums is annoying. I did a quick glance at the first page in General and there are at least four threads about someone's bad luck. Two of the threads are started by the same person.

Is there any way to make the whine threads disappear and attempt to at least condense stuff into productive discussion? I know that having productive discussion about drop rates is difficult because people who aren't experiencing bad drop rates surely aren't running to the forums to whine. So really what you have is a bunch of people with bad luck re-affirming each other in what amounts to a giant circle-jerk, but still there's got to be some way to cut the QQ spam and at least be semi-intelligent, scientific, and productive about the discussion.

15% of the first page on General doesn't need to be the SAME thread with a different author basically saying the same thing. Whether or not it's true, it's exhausting and overbearing.

EDIT
As a suggestion, maybe don't infract people, but just lock the threads (or outright delete them so they DISAPPEAR), and point people to a singular thread? IDK, I'm just spitballing.

Quote from shaggy

Can we make a sub-forum for people to whine about RNG and start infracting people for shitting up the general forums with their "I've gone X days without , game broke, feel sorry for me" shit posts? Please?

I was just thinking this exact thing. This forum needs an RNG/Loot Complaints forum and, yes, infractions need to be given for people who post these kinds of complaints outside of it.

If anyone else agrees, click the little "Feedback" tab at the bottom of your screen and suggest it.

TBH I think the 'spirit of diablo' is adventuring to find epic loot, not shopping for it.