So I was reviewing many threads about the disparity of duel wielding crit gemmed weapons vs wielding a crit gemmed two-handed weapon and started running some numbers and I think I cam up with a possible solution to this disparity.
Issue: Classes that can Duel wield weapons will, for the most part, duel wield weapons socketed with Crit gems due to them providing more DPS than a higher DPS two-handed weapon of equal power. Duel wielding weapons can also provide an increase to primary stats due to the modifier ranges.
Cause: The extra critical hit damage and higher primary stat totals out strips the the extra DPS provided by a two-handed weapon.
Suggested Solution: Add an inherent gem modifier to two-handed weapons of 1.6%
Some number crunching*
Assumed stats
Primary Stat: 8000 (two-hand) / 8200 (duel wield)
Critical Hit Percentage (with base): 40.00%
Critical Hit Damage from non-weapon gear (plus base): 150%
Attack Speed from items: 10%
Weapon DPS: 2500 (two-hand) / 2000 (duel wield)
DPS Difference with the current gem structure (percent of two-hand damage duel wielding provides)
Marquee Emerald: 113.28%
Imperial Emerald: 113.99%
Flawless Imperial Emerald: 114.69%
Royal Emerald: 115.37%
Flawless Royal Emerald: 116.04%
DPS Difference with a 1.5 two-hand modifier (percent of two-hand damage duel wielding provides)
Marquee Emerald: 102.25%
Imperial Emerald: 102.54%
Flawless Imperial Emerald: 102.82%
Royal Emerald: 103.09%
Flawless Royal Emerald: 103.36%
DPS Difference with a 1.6 two-hand modifier (percent of two-hand damage duel wielding provides)
Marquee Emerald: 100.30%
Imperial Emerald: 100.52%
Flawless Imperial Emerald: 100.74%
Royal Emerald: 100.95%
Flawless Royal Emerald: 101.15%
As you can see from the three sets of numbers, duel wielding will always provide a DPS increase, but adding this two-hand modifier would reduce the gap from roughly 15% to an average of 0.5% variance. This would allow for more diverse builds for those classes that can duel wield. Thoughts?
* Formula used matches sheet DPS to a tolerance of 1% +/-
Been on a small hiatus while I get caught up in WoW, but I tested this out on the PTR and the higher monster density in acts 1 and 2 really make this build shine. I've managed to get a large portion of the weeping hollow burning at the same time on lowerish MP (thank you packs of wretched mothers). Anyone else still experimenting with this build?
So, I've been messing around some more and doing some number crunching and have come up with, what I think may be the most optimized version of this build. The idea for this is to maximize the effective DPS of the build.
The Biggest change is the removal of the Mystic Ally and the addition of BoH:Blazing Wrath and taking Combination Strike. This results in a large increase in passive damage.
For example: Base of 100K DPS (D) with a 40% (C) critical hit chance yeilds effective DPS (E)
Cyclone Rune with a 2-hander (not Maximus) with simplified calculation for cyclone damage
252k effective DPS from single attacks and Sweeping Winds.
This yields around a 20% increase in effective DPS. Now if we look at the incidental damage, which does not require attacking, we see a 75% increase in passive DPS. Overawe applies to both sides, so its not figured in.
Now while Exploding Palm: Essence Burn doesn't have the "Boom" and done aspect of all the other EP runes, it provides a spreading burn which will effect a larger radius of mobs. This is compounded by the increases from Magefist and Maximus, raising the burn to 105% of weapon damage over 3 seconds. This results in large scale death in an area with higher monster density.
Combining the EP:EB with SW:FS results in a large are of incidental damage that propogates across an area and with the right density, can kill things before you even damage them with an attack. I'll try to post a short video tonight, but anyone with a video of this build would be awesome.
I haven't seen the Speed Palm build but correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you just add 48% from mantra to the 50% of the mob's HP and arrive at 98% do you? So where did you get 98% of the mob's HP?
50% of the mob's HP lets say 100 hp mob's explosion will deal 50 dmg. with mantra's 48% more dmg, the 50 damage will become around 75 damage no? Which is not 98%.
This was a mistake on my part. The Speed Palm build also used +% damage to elites which stacks with the overawe to generate the near 100% HP damage.
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As for an update on the build, I'm working on some relativistic number crunching to provide an "effective DPS" measure. That is to say a total DPS with regards to the added %fire damage from Maximus/Sankis/Magefist. Still trying to find decent recording software for my Mac as well.
Recently swapped from Tempest/Skorn to a 2 hand build, but I'm having problems even on MP6, could someone check me out and advice what to do?
I have about 50m to buy upgrades still, and willing to use every penny to get this working, I was really getting tired of Tempest..
Here is a link to my monk, thanks in advance http://eu.battle.net...2/hero/23861430
Thanks in advance
You appear to be missing a belt. Is that an armory issue or do you not have one equipped? That said, it looks like your resistances are all over the place. I see fire, Cold, and Physical. I'd stick to one since you are using OWE. I'd try and get a Vile Ward or craft some cold/all-res shoulders and then get or craft a duel or single res pair of bracers. That should provide some survivability for MP6.
As for your spec, I prefer Dashing Strike when duel wielding on higher MPs. It's ability to break jailer and get bounce around a champion pack are very helpful. More so when you do not use Serenity.
While it will offer higher EHP, the damage is just not there. The proper use of Overawe will cause the explosions from Exploding Palm to deal 98% of their life as damage to those affected by Overawe instead of just the 50% (see the Speed Palm build post for details).
Keep in mind that - unless I'm misunderstanding the description - Essence Burn deals its explosion damage based on weapon damage, not monster HP like all other EP runes:
"Instead of bleeding, the target will burn for 745% weapon damage as Fire over 9 seconds. If the target dies while burning, it explodes causing all nearby enemies to burn for 60% weapon damage as Fire over 3 seconds. This effect can happen multiple times."
Not that that invalidates using it, just thought I'd point it out.
I tried a build a couple months ago with Essence Burn, Fire Storm, Backlash, and Fire Ally along with the Sankis axe and wasn't that impressed. Granted, my Monk is pretty poorly geared to begin with, but maybe with the upcoming buffs to Legendaries it'll work a little better.
You are correct. I actually noticed that the other night when I was doing rune testing for Exploding palm. I think the burn from the explosion does stack though as it would explain why the groups seems to drop quicker the more that burn and boom. The Jury's still out for which rune is best for this build.
Also, I'm glad people seem to be enjoying the builds. I'm hoping to post a video of the fun once I find a decent game recording software for mac thats free and not a POS.
TianZi, have you tried the same run using a Life on Kill Skorn? With bell almost insta-killing everything, I'd suspect it would heal for about as much at a far less price for those with a lower budget.
Doesn't Mantra of Evasion - Backlash do fire dmg as well ? Maybe in your build, fire dmg from it would outweigh the flat dmg from Overawe or at least match it, while offering better protection at higher MP lvls
While it will offer higher EHP, the damage is just not there. The proper use of Overawe will cause the explosions from Exploding Palm to deal 98% of their life as damage to those affected by Overawe instead of just the 50% (see the Speed Palm build post for details). I did mention MoE:Backlash in the fire skills section, but the sample build is more focused on DPS. I will add a tanking build that I've been working on the the main post as well.
Seeing the change Blizzard is looking to make to legendaries (all can drop in Inferno and use the i62/63 base item and such), I started looking at some of the lower legendaries and while doing a Signet farm, I had a pair of 20% mage fists drop. That got me thinking about all of our fire damage abilities. This led to the below build set I named "Blazing Monk". As the title states, this is a work in progress build so feedback is welcome and appreciated.
Basic idea
- Stack Increased fire damage from skills items.
- Use fire based attacks and abilities to capitalize on them.
Required items
18%+ Dexterity Magefists
24%+ Dexterity Maximus with Life Steal
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24%+ Dexterity Burning Axe of Sankis
The linked build is meant for the two handed play style.
Skill Selection
Left Mouse
WotHF: Blazing Fists - Used for the damage and movement increase. Can be easily replaced by FoT: Thunderclap.
Right Mouse
Exploding Palm: Essence Burn - This is the main source of damage. The initial burn is increased as is the burn applied by the explosion. Unsure if the damage from the explosion is increased. Essence Burn will cause packs of mobs to "popcorn", spreading the explosion around a larger group than caught by a normal explosion.
Action Button 1
Sweeping Winds: Fire Storm - Tested on Hell with no weapon equipped, equipping the Magefist almost doubled the damage it dealt. Thus the %Fire damage items increases the base damage of this ability by that amount. Unsure about the stacking nature, still need to test it. This is a major source of damage.
Action Button 2
Mystic Ally: Fire Ally - With the increased damage and the Ally scaling with your gear, the Fire Ally hits very hard.
Basic idea for this build is to maximize dodge chance to maximize the amount of times Mantra of Evasion: Backlash procs. It also packs sources of indirect damage.
Gear
Magefist
Burning Axe of Sankis
Shield with high EHP (All res, Dex, Vit,main res) and 8+ CC
Left Mouse Button
Fists of Thunder: Lightning Flash - Fists of Thunder is the best spirit generator we have at the moment. This build goes with Lightning Flash over the stand by of Thunderclap, mainly due to the extra dodge that it grants.
Right Mouse Button
Lashing Tail Kick: Vulture Claw Kick - Used as a spirit dump and to give some breathign room if you find yourself surrounded.
Action Button 1
Sweeping Winds: Fire Storm - Boosted to 105% weapon damage at a three-stack when wearing a max Magefist and Burning Axe of Sankis, this provides a good source of damage
Action Button 2
Mystic Ally: Fire Ally - Another body to take targets, plus an additional source of indirect damage
Action Button 3
Serenity: Ascension - Standard really
Action Button 4
Mantra of Evasion: Backlash - The main focus of the build, the gears boosts the damage to a maximum of 80% weapon damage. This provides more indirect damage as well as protection from the dodge itself.
Passives
One With Everything - No explaination needed, but I suggest Fire Res as your primes resistance due to the burning axe having natural Fire res on it.
Seize the Initiative - See above
Sixth Sense - Additonal source of dodge. Focus on getting around 50% critical hit chance and this will provide an additional 15% dodge chance.
Play Style
Where the first build was heavily offensive, this is more defensive. The Burning Axe's "Ignore Pain" proc combined with the dodge and EHP from the shield provides a large amount of survivability, but you will need to be on your feet to avoid non dodgable damage sources like Plagued, Molten, and Desecrator. The lack of life steal or Life on Hit on the weapon will need to be made up for on rings and amulets. A dex roll on The Burning Axe of Sankis can be exchanged for high LoH, Lifesteal, or a socket if you want weapon based healing.
Gear
Sledge Fist w/ Socket and high stun
Burning Axe of Sankis
Magefist
This combined the backlash build above with the Tsunami Sledge Fist build. It results in a swirling vortex of flame that most targets stand stunned in. The ones that don't get stunned you will often end up dodging their attacks, releasing more fire. Also found that if you get a socketed Sankis, toss in a Ruby, the damage it provides will result in a larger increase than an emerald as a lot of the passive abilities are weapon damage based.
I vetted all three builds on MP7 & MP8, the best performing build was a tie between the basic backlash shield build and the Flamewave Tsunami build. All in All, they are a lot of fun.
Comments, criticisms, etc are all welcome.
Extra Information
So, I've been messing around some more and doing some number crunching and have come up with, what I think may be the most optimized version of this build. The idea for this is to maximize the effective DPS of the build.
The Biggest change is the removal of the Mystic Ally and the addition of BoH:Blazing Wrath and taking Combination Strike. This results in a large increase in passive damage.
For example: Base of 100K DPS (D) with a 40% (C) critical hit chance yeilds effective DPS (E)
Cyclone Rune with a 2-hander (not Maximus) with simplified calculation for cyclone damage
252k effective DPS from single attacks and Sweeping Winds.
This yields around a 20% increase in effective DPS. Now if we look at the incidental damage, which does not require attacking, we see a 75% increase in passive DPS. Overawe applies to both sides, so its not figured in.
Now while Exploding Palm: Essence Burn doesn't have the "Boom" and done aspect of all the other EP runes, it provides a spreading burn which will effect a larger radius of mobs. This is compounded by the increases from Magefist and Maximus, raising the burn to 105% of weapon damage over 3 seconds. This results in large scale death in an area with higher monster density.
Combining the EP:EB with SW:FS results in a large are of incidental damage that propogates across an area and with the right density, can kill things before you even damage them with an attack. I'll try to post a short video tonight, but anyone with a video of this build would be aprpeciated.
- 1st strike goes to 17 yards in a 30 degree arc
- 2nd strike goes to 21 yards in a 70 degree arc
- 3rd strike goes to 25 yards in a 110 degree arc
Piercing Trident rune changed to be: The third strikes releases a wave of pure energy dealing 120% weapon damage that pierce targets and travels 35 yards
Does anyone know the chance that a dodge will trigger Backlash?
I've never seen it fail yet. I think it's pretty much 99% chance but I'll turn back on my defensive messages just to make sure then I'll get back to you on that.
As for Submission, I guess I'm just not understanding it correctly. Feel free to tell me to go read a guide or something, but is the 12% increased damage enemies take still baked in MoC when using Submission? Or is it all replaced by only the per second damage? Also, someone mentioned that it could be worth it considering high IAS. Is the "per second" part affected by attack speed?
I actually asked about this in another thread. The thing is, Submission ticks per second but the tooltip will show you that its % damage each second is multiplied with your IAS. I think its a bug in the coding of the tooltip. Basically, AS x 12 = Submission Damage
The assumed fomula based on experiance that he mentions.
From what I've noticed I believe the damage works something like the below as I've never seen it crit
Dexterity as D
(1 + (D/100)) * ((Weapon min damage + Item Min damage) * 0.12) as X_min
(1 + (D/100) )*((Weapon max damage + item Max Damage) * 0.12) as X_max
Attacks per Second as APS
(1.12 * (X_min to X_max)) * APS = DPS
Note that I've seen it proc life steal but not life on hit. Also, these calculations are assumed based on my observations and are not backed by intensive testing.
Tried a version of the build out on MP10 and a few notes.
- From a DPS POV Rubies are the way to go with a socketed Sledge Fist. Tossed a +60/60 ruby into one I had and it gained over 100 DPS. The +130/+130 would push an average Sledge fist into the 400 DPS range. This tested better than a similar crit damage % gem.
- 1k+ Life on Hit is mandatory Damage comes in chunks and you need to regain whats lost, Life Steal will not work as your damage is low.
- Go with Scorpion Sting as your spirit spender.
- stick with Mantra of Healing or Conviction, the AS% from transgression is not worth the damage/survivability of the others.
It's 12%*AS, so with dual-wield and 2.0 attack speed it'd be 24%.
Hmmm. I don't have 2.0 attack speed but I have 24% weapon damage per second with the rune. I think some clear calculation to it would be nice.
One thing to remember is that weapons have a damage range, which from experiance with the rune is used in its calculations. One way to nail down the formula for this would be to get a 1.0 attack speed weapon, remove all +AS% gear then walk around a nightmare difficulty game and track the damage dealt per tick. From that point add +min/max damage gear and/or AS% gear and monitor how the numbers change. from what I've noticed I believe the damage works something like the below as I've never seen it crit
Dexterity as D
(D/100) * ((Weapon min damage + Item Min damage) * 0.12) as X_min
(D/100) *((Weapon max damage + item Max Damage) * 0.12) as X_max
Attacks per Second as APS
(1.12 * (X_min to X_max)) * APS = DPS
Note that I've seen it proc life steal but not life on hit. Also, these calculations are assumed based on my observations and are not backed by testing.
I have recently started to get into the monk and focussed mainly on defence stats, first for surviveability and second for the sake of costs.
Spend about 15M on gear and perform not bad on MP5 on keywardens, takes time but i stay alive.
But as i havve not much experience and gold, im unsure to what focus on - how much dps i have to maintain to drop some surviveability?
could someone pls also rate Negativity - thanks!
Not bad. A duel res & vitality Vile Ward would provide a good boost to survivability and some extra DPS due to its inate high dex. You are packing a large amount of LoH and LS so I think you could afford to drop the LoH from the amulet for one with 2 or more DPS stats (Average Damage, Cri damage, Crit %, and Attack Speed). A socket in either weapon would go a long way as the extra crit damage % would do well and would benifit your LS more.
Notes - I have two weapons I switch to for higher MPs that are socketed with the 100% crit gems and pack Lfie Steal. I also have a Duel Res Cindercoat sitting in the stash for higher MPs that packs much more Vitality and similar Dex to my current Inna's chest.
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Issue: Classes that can Duel wield weapons will, for the most part, duel wield weapons socketed with Crit gems due to them providing more DPS than a higher DPS two-handed weapon of equal power. Duel wielding weapons can also provide an increase to primary stats due to the modifier ranges.
Cause: The extra critical hit damage and higher primary stat totals out strips the the extra DPS provided by a two-handed weapon.
Suggested Solution: Add an inherent gem modifier to two-handed weapons of 1.6%
Some number crunching*
Assumed stats
- Primary Stat: 8000 (two-hand) / 8200 (duel wield)
- Critical Hit Percentage (with base): 40.00%
- Critical Hit Damage from non-weapon gear (plus base): 150%
- Attack Speed from items: 10%
- Weapon DPS: 2500 (two-hand) / 2000 (duel wield)
DPS Difference with the current gem structure (percent of two-hand damage duel wielding provides)- Marquee Emerald: 113.28%
- Imperial Emerald: 113.99%
- Flawless Imperial Emerald: 114.69%
- Royal Emerald: 115.37%
- Flawless Royal Emerald: 116.04%
DPS Difference with a 1.5 two-hand modifier (percent of two-hand damage duel wielding provides)- Marquee Emerald: 102.25%
- Imperial Emerald: 102.54%
- Flawless Imperial Emerald: 102.82%
- Royal Emerald: 103.09%
- Flawless Royal Emerald: 103.36%
DPS Difference with a 1.6 two-hand modifier (percent of two-hand damage duel wielding provides)As you can see from the three sets of numbers, duel wielding will always provide a DPS increase, but adding this two-hand modifier would reduce the gap from roughly 15% to an average of 0.5% variance. This would allow for more diverse builds for those classes that can duel wield. Thoughts?
* Formula used matches sheet DPS to a tolerance of 1% +/-
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk#aVXSgk!dgU!acbbYa
The Biggest change is the removal of the Mystic Ally and the addition of BoH:Blazing Wrath and taking Combination Strike. This results in a large increase in passive damage.
For example: Base of 100K DPS (D) with a 40% (C) critical hit chance yeilds effective DPS (E)
Cyclone Rune with a 2-hander (not Maximus) with simplified calculation for cyclone damage
(D * 1.23) + (0.6 * (D * 1.23)) + (((D * 1.23) * 0.26) * 0.4) = E
123,000 + 73,800 + 12,792 = 209,592
210K effective DPS from single attacks and Sweeping Winds
Firestorm rune with Maximus and Magefist
(D * 1.23) + (1.05 * (D * 1.23)) = E
123,000 + 129,150 = 252,150
252k effective DPS from single attacks and Sweeping Winds.
This yields around a 20% increase in effective DPS. Now if we look at the incidental damage, which does not require attacking, we see a 75% increase in passive DPS. Overawe applies to both sides, so its not figured in.
Now while Exploding Palm: Essence Burn doesn't have the "Boom" and done aspect of all the other EP runes, it provides a spreading burn which will effect a larger radius of mobs. This is compounded by the increases from Magefist and Maximus, raising the burn to 105% of weapon damage over 3 seconds. This results in large scale death in an area with higher monster density.
Combining the EP:EB with SW:FS results in a large are of incidental damage that propogates across an area and with the right density, can kill things before you even damage them with an attack. I'll try to post a short video tonight, but anyone with a video of this build would be awesome.
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This was a mistake on my part. The Speed Palm build also used +% damage to elites which stacks with the overawe to generate the near 100% HP damage.
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As for an update on the build, I'm working on some relativistic number crunching to provide an "effective DPS" measure. That is to say a total DPS with regards to the added %fire damage from Maximus/Sankis/Magefist. Still trying to find decent recording software for my Mac as well.
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You appear to be missing a belt. Is that an armory issue or do you not have one equipped? That said, it looks like your resistances are all over the place. I see fire, Cold, and Physical. I'd stick to one since you are using OWE. I'd try and get a Vile Ward or craft some cold/all-res shoulders and then get or craft a duel or single res pair of bracers. That should provide some survivability for MP6.
As for your spec, I prefer Dashing Strike when duel wielding on higher MPs. It's ability to break jailer and get bounce around a champion pack are very helpful. More so when you do not use Serenity.
My Monk: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Rathgood-1666/hero/3207488 Currently trying to decide if I should work on replacing my Fire Res gear with All-res so I can drop OWE or to drop a mint on glove crafting to try and replace mine.
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You are correct. I actually noticed that the other night when I was doing rune testing for Exploding palm. I think the burn from the explosion does stack though as it would explain why the groups seems to drop quicker the more that burn and boom. The Jury's still out for which rune is best for this build.
Also, I'm glad people seem to be enjoying the builds. I'm hoping to post a video of the fun once I find a decent game recording software for mac thats free and not a POS.
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While it will offer higher EHP, the damage is just not there. The proper use of Overawe will cause the explosions from Exploding Palm to deal 98% of their life as damage to those affected by Overawe instead of just the 50% (see the Speed Palm build post for details). I did mention MoE:Backlash in the fire skills section, but the sample build is more focused on DPS. I will add a tanking build that I've been working on the the main post as well.
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Basic idea
- Stack Increased fire damage from skills items.
- Use fire based attacks and abilities to capitalize on them.
Monk Fire Skills
- Lashing Tail Kick: Vulture Claw Kick
- Lashing Tail Kick: Spinning Flame Kick
- Exploding Palm: Essence Burn
- Cyclone Strike: Sunburst
- Mystic Ally: Fire Ally
- Sweeping Winds: Firestorm
- Mantra of Evasion: Backlash
Sample Build
http://us.battle.net...Sjgk!ZXU!ZcbZYa
Required items
18%+ Dexterity Magefists
24%+ Dexterity Maximus with Life Steal
or
24%+ Dexterity Burning Axe of Sankis
The linked build is meant for the two handed play style.
Skill Selection
Left Mouse
WotHF: Blazing Fists - Used for the damage and movement increase. Can be easily replaced by FoT: Thunderclap.
Right Mouse
Exploding Palm: Essence Burn - This is the main source of damage. The initial burn is increased as is the burn applied by the explosion. Unsure if the damage from the explosion is increased. Essence Burn will cause packs of mobs to "popcorn", spreading the explosion around a larger group than caught by a normal explosion.
Action Button 1
Sweeping Winds: Fire Storm - Tested on Hell with no weapon equipped, equipping the Magefist almost doubled the damage it dealt. Thus the %Fire damage items increases the base damage of this ability by that amount. Unsure about the stacking nature, still need to test it. This is a major source of damage.
Action Button 2
Mystic Ally: Fire Ally - With the increased damage and the Ally scaling with your gear, the Fire Ally hits very hard.
Action Button 3
Serenity: Ascension - Moving along...
Action Button 4:
Mantra of Conviction: Overawe - yup...
Passives: Standard setup, pick and choose to taste.
Play style
Get a 3 stack of Sweeping Winds, apply Exploding palm kill things. Rather simple play style. It is fun as heck to watch packs popcorn.
Tanking "Dodge" based build
http://us.battle.net...Sjgh!WUX!ZabZYc
Basic idea for this build is to maximize dodge chance to maximize the amount of times Mantra of Evasion: Backlash procs. It also packs sources of indirect damage.
Gear
Magefist
Burning Axe of Sankis
Shield with high EHP (All res, Dex, Vit,main res) and 8+ CC
Left Mouse Button
Fists of Thunder: Lightning Flash - Fists of Thunder is the best spirit generator we have at the moment. This build goes with Lightning Flash over the stand by of Thunderclap, mainly due to the extra dodge that it grants.
Right Mouse Button
Lashing Tail Kick: Vulture Claw Kick - Used as a spirit dump and to give some breathign room if you find yourself surrounded.
Action Button 1
Sweeping Winds: Fire Storm - Boosted to 105% weapon damage at a three-stack when wearing a max Magefist and Burning Axe of Sankis, this provides a good source of damage
Action Button 2
Mystic Ally: Fire Ally - Another body to take targets, plus an additional source of indirect damage
Action Button 3
Serenity: Ascension - Standard really
Action Button 4
Mantra of Evasion: Backlash - The main focus of the build, the gears boosts the damage to a maximum of 80% weapon damage. This provides more indirect damage as well as protection from the dodge itself.
Passives
One With Everything - No explaination needed, but I suggest Fire Res as your primes resistance due to the burning axe having natural Fire res on it.
Seize the Initiative - See above
Sixth Sense - Additonal source of dodge. Focus on getting around 50% critical hit chance and this will provide an additional 15% dodge chance.
Play Style
Where the first build was heavily offensive, this is more defensive. The Burning Axe's "Ignore Pain" proc combined with the dodge and EHP from the shield provides a large amount of survivability, but you will need to be on your feet to avoid non dodgable damage sources like Plagued, Molten, and Desecrator. The lack of life steal or Life on Hit on the weapon will need to be made up for on rings and amulets. A dex roll on The Burning Axe of Sankis can be exchanged for high LoH, Lifesteal, or a socket if you want weapon based healing.
Build 3
"Stood in the Fire"
http://us.battle.net...Sjgh!dXU!YcbZYc
Gear
Sledge Fist w/ Socket and high stun
Burning Axe of Sankis
Magefist
This combined the backlash build above with the Tsunami Sledge Fist build. It results in a swirling vortex of flame that most targets stand stunned in. The ones that don't get stunned you will often end up dodging their attacks, releasing more fire. Also found that if you get a socketed Sankis, toss in a Ruby, the damage it provides will result in a larger increase than an emerald as a lot of the passive abilities are weapon damage based.
I vetted all three builds on MP7 & MP8, the best performing build was a tie between the basic backlash shield build and the Flamewave Tsunami build. All in All, they are a lot of fun.
Comments, criticisms, etc are all welcome.
Extra Information
So, I've been messing around some more and doing some number crunching and have come up with, what I think may be the most optimized version of this build. The idea for this is to maximize the effective DPS of the build.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk#aVXSgk!dgU!acbbYa
The Biggest change is the removal of the Mystic Ally and the addition of BoH:Blazing Wrath and taking Combination Strike. This results in a large increase in passive damage.
For example: Base of 100K DPS (D) with a 40% (C) critical hit chance yeilds effective DPS (E)
Cyclone Rune with a 2-hander (not Maximus) with simplified calculation for cyclone damage
(D * 1.23) + (0.6 * (D * 1.23)) + (((D * 1.23) * 0.26) * 0.4) = E
123,000 + 73,800 + 12,792 = 209,592
210K effective DPS from single attacks and Sweeping Winds
Firestorm rune with Maximus and Magefist
(D * 1.23) + (1.05 * (D * 1.23)) = E
123,000 + 129,150 = 252,150
252k effective DPS from single attacks and Sweeping Winds.
This yields around a 20% increase in effective DPS. Now if we look at the incidental damage, which does not require attacking, we see a 75% increase in passive DPS. Overawe applies to both sides, so its not figured in.
Now while Exploding Palm: Essence Burn doesn't have the "Boom" and done aspect of all the other EP runes, it provides a spreading burn which will effect a larger radius of mobs. This is compounded by the increases from Magefist and Maximus, raising the burn to 105% of weapon damage over 3 seconds. This results in large scale death in an area with higher monster density.
Combining the EP:EB with SW:FS results in a large are of incidental damage that propogates across an area and with the right density, can kill things before you even damage them with an attack. I'll try to post a short video tonight, but anyone with a video of this build would be aprpeciated.
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- 1st strike goes to 17 yards in a 30 degree arc
- 2nd strike goes to 21 yards in a 70 degree arc
- 3rd strike goes to 25 yards in a 110 degree arc
Piercing Trident rune changed to be: The third strikes releases a wave of pure energy dealing 120% weapon damage that pierce targets and travels 35 yards
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The assumed fomula based on experiance that he mentions.
From what I've noticed I believe the damage works something like the below as I've never seen it crit
Dexterity as D
(1 + (D/100)) * ((Weapon min damage + Item Min damage) * 0.12) as X_min
(1 + (D/100) )*((Weapon max damage + item Max Damage) * 0.12) as X_max
Attacks per Second as APS
(1.12 * (X_min to X_max)) * APS = DPS
Note that I've seen it proc life steal but not life on hit. Also, these calculations are assumed based on my observations and are not backed by intensive testing.
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- From a DPS POV Rubies are the way to go with a socketed Sledge Fist. Tossed a +60/60 ruby into one I had and it gained over 100 DPS. The +130/+130 would push an average Sledge fist into the 400 DPS range. This tested better than a similar crit damage % gem.
- 1k+ Life on Hit is mandatory Damage comes in chunks and you need to regain whats lost, Life Steal will not work as your damage is low.
- Go with Scorpion Sting as your spirit spender.
- stick with Mantra of Healing or Conviction, the AS% from transgression is not worth the damage/survivability of the others.
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One thing to remember is that weapons have a damage range, which from experiance with the rune is used in its calculations. One way to nail down the formula for this would be to get a 1.0 attack speed weapon, remove all +AS% gear then walk around a nightmare difficulty game and track the damage dealt per tick. From that point add +min/max damage gear and/or AS% gear and monitor how the numbers change. from what I've noticed I believe the damage works something like the below as I've never seen it crit
Dexterity as D
(D/100) * ((Weapon min damage + Item Min damage) * 0.12) as X_min
(D/100) *((Weapon max damage + item Max Damage) * 0.12) as X_max
Attacks per Second as APS
(1.12 * (X_min to X_max)) * APS = DPS
Note that I've seen it proc life steal but not life on hit. Also, these calculations are assumed based on my observations and are not backed by testing.
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Not bad. A duel res & vitality Vile Ward would provide a good boost to survivability and some extra DPS due to its inate high dex. You are packing a large amount of LoH and LS so I think you could afford to drop the LoH from the amulet for one with 2 or more DPS stats (Average Damage, Cri damage, Crit %, and Attack Speed). A socket in either weapon would go a long way as the extra crit damage % would do well and would benifit your LS more.
Me: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Rathgood-1666/hero/3207488
Notes - I have two weapons I switch to for higher MPs that are socketed with the 100% crit gems and pack Lfie Steal. I also have a Duel Res Cindercoat sitting in the stash for higher MPs that packs much more Vitality and similar Dex to my current Inna's chest.