Unless you plan on play hard core, no one will help you out. Because if you are just doing it for the season journey it's a complete waste for the carrier.
Another thing, if you have never played hard core in your life, you typically don't have T6 unlocked, which means the carrier definitely won't help you. It turns a process that would normally take 15 min - 30 min into a 1 - 2 hour waste of time because the carrier will be stuck on hard difficulty.
while i agree with most of what youve said, i have plvled many ppl in hardcore just for their journeys. mostly i have to be in a good mood and/or bored and/or farming gr keys anyway.
additionally, if you cant find anyone to plvl you, it really DOESNT take that long to level yourself to 70 if you really care about the journey.
when doing splits in pubs NEVER finish your act's bounties. ALWAYS leave one last one (preferably the boss) unfinished until the bonus rotates to that act. more often than not, there is a tard who will "accidentally" click on tyrael. sometimes you're that tard, but a tard there will be!
all i ever hear are nonseasonal players bitching and moaning about wahh why cant we have this and that wahh. you made your choice. stick with it.
It's funny that "all you ever hear is non-seasonal players bitching and moaning" because it sure sounds to me like you are bitching and moaning that you need special snowflake content.
You made a choice to play seasonal content just like others made a choice to play non-seasonal content. Yet, it really seems that you cannot live with your choice unless that means that you get exclusive content. Somehow you don't see the complete hypocrisy in that stance.
Why do some seasonal players have this God complex where they believe that everyone else is inferior and undeserving? Besides, storage space is a massive issue for everyone in the game. It knows no bounds between Seasons, Non-seasons, and Hardcore. It's a problem that we all grapple with regardless of our game mode. When you have a problem that effects everyone, like storage space, you don't put it in one of the three game modes. Tying a very basic game feature such as storage space to any specific game mode is tantamount to the developers denouncing the other game modes as not the "real" game.
Imagine if you had to do some specific task in Hardcore or Non-season to unlock the tabs. That would be just as wrong. I support your desire to play Seasonal characters. It would be completely unfair of Blizzard to give us more stash tabs and simultaneously tell you, the Seasonal player, that you had to spend a few dozen hours playing Non-seasonal characters to unlock them. It's similarly wrong to tell Non-seasonal players that they have to spend a few dozen hours playing Seasonal characters to fulfill a basic need.
I haven't played much of the game since 2.2. I tried some 2.3, it was OK. I read the 2.4 patch notes. I saw how they were removing season-only legendaries. I was happy with this news. Then I saw that they tied storage space to seasonal play and immediately my happiness was replaced with incredulity. They managed to make the situation worse. They managed to thumb their noses at Non-seasonal players even more than they were in the past. I cannot imagine why they'd want to be so spiteful and hateful towards a segment of their playerbase. It just doesn't make sense.
I was ready to give 2.4 a whirl simply because of Legacy of Nightmares because, at this point, I simply have no desire to even attempt to push leaderboards. This single issue, though, will keep me from even trying out 2.4. It's high time they stop treating Non-seasonal players as if we're playing the game "wrong." At the very least with the items in previous seasons we were able to earn them eventually. With the current stash tab proposition we can't even do that. We can't even get them after the season has ended. It's "play seasons" or "go to hell."
chigga wha? seasonal players never bitch and moan about content. im bitching and moaning about nonseasonal players bitching and moaning and in turn YOU are now bitching and moaning about me bitching and moaning about nonseasonal players bitching and moaning. get your logic on.
i made my choice to play seasonal content and have lived with that choice HAPPILY every single season. the PERKS of new exclusive content combined with a fresh start and actually competitive leaderboards instead of a desolate wasteland where gr40 gets you onto the board well outweigh the few hours grind required to get back to 70 then few more hours to get usable gear. you are 100% correct in that i do not see any hypocrisy in my stance. please explain it to me.
putting the seasonal (hardcore i might add) god complex aside, storage space is not a huge issue in the game for everyone. funny enough, its less of an issue for seasonal DURING the season and a huge issue for seasonal after the season. id think that items that help seasonal players push way harder in gr is a more important game feature, so they are in fact closing the gap between season and nonseason. if you need more stash, my first advice is to salvage and/or extract your nonancient gear. my second piece of advice is to stop hoarding useless legs that MIGHT become useful in the future. my third piece of advice is to bitch and moan to blizzard about providing more character slots so you can keep all your "useful" gear on actual characters instead of in the stash and wasting a whole group's time while you inevitably have to swap gear and skills at some point.
as a hardcore player i would relish in your misery if blizzard forced everyone to at least try hardcore for stash tabs.
after all this back and forth you then state you dont even play this game which, to me, invalidates your entire opinion! youre too far removed from the struggles and are basing your entire argument on opinions made from a distant memory. my guess is youll play 2weeks to 1month of 2.4 (IF THAT) before you quit and come back to bitch about a game you havent fully experienced.
honestly though, that last bit was meant to offend you. but, that aside, a nonseasonal player who hasnt played since 2.2 cant possibly have a stash full of CURRENTLY useful legs.
what? you cant delete characters and not use your paragon points in nonseason? you cant just delete your character on first death on softcore? those are not physically possible?
games always have costs for perks...i have to spend time to get mats items and gold exp etc. why not game shark this bitch and go god mode with infinite everything then? by my logic seasonal players should bitch about not getting to keep items/exp every new season because thats as INSANE as nonseasonal players bitching about not getting seasonal-only stuff. dont make some piss poor attempt at twisting my logic when youre too close minded to bother comprehending it..
Yes, but you can't convince everyone in the world to do the same thing. Seasonal is a fresh start for everyone, not just you and from my understanding that is the appeal. Everyone starting fresh. New season, new patch, new race. The fresh start isn't meant to be a cost of playing seasonal, it's meant to be the point. Also "Games always have costs for perks... I have to spend time to get mats, items, gold, exp". Are you now implying that playing the game is a cost?
Ok, lets for a moment go with your opinion that the fresh start is the price you have to pay. Then, would you personally prefer seasons be removed entirely and you get the extras without having to start from scratch?
what? i dont need to convince anyone of anything. seasonal is a fresh start. i revel in it. giving everyone a fresh playing field. finding new items and discovering new builds. finding actual upgrades instead of grinding for 100 hours for something that gives me 0.1% dmg upgrade cuz i have full ancient gear already. but on TOP of all that, i also get awesome new legs that nonseasonal players can only dream about. i personally prefer season-only legs over stash space and such but i definitely believe seasons should have stuff unobtainable elsewhere. thats my opinion. my opinion is also that nonseasonal players should stfu about season-only stuff because they made the CHOICE to not play seasons. make your choice and stick with it. ive never heard a seasonal player bitch and moan about having to grind all over again. because if they do hate that, they can CHOOSE to play nonseason. all i ever hear are nonseasonal players bitching and moaning about wahh why cant we have this and that wahh. you made your choice. stick with it.
why is that the point of season? what if the point of season was to get new stuff as soon as it comes out? new legs, new patches, new appearance stuff, actual competition in the leaderboard instead of a desolate wasteland where barely trying to push will get you to the low hundreds. and the COST of those perks are having to start over. l2perspective.
theres nothing wrong with blizzard offering incentives to play season. its not like theyre removing features from nonseason to force people into season. theyve offered incentives every season. its each individual players choice to decide whether thats worth it or not. if it isnt, then dont bitch about not getting stuff! bitching about not getting stuff when you decide to play nonseason is the same as season players bitching about having to start over. except they dont bitch about that. because each and every single seasonal player accepted the choice he/she made.
pros and cons son. pros and cons.
Because it's a game, why should there be a cost to perks? Why have a negative to a positive that simply makes no sense. By your logic, seasons are actually bad because the only thing the season mode offers is a fresh start and you are claiming that to be a negative which in turn means you would prefer seasons not exist and simply get all the content on non-season.
The reason the fresh start is the point of seasons, is because that is the only thing the season mode does that couldn't be done in non-season. Just like how the only thing HC does is give your character one life, even if they added extra content to HC the point to HC would be that one life because everything else could potentially be put into the other modes. Adding an extra game mode is meant to offer a different way to play, be it one life, gameplay changes, fresh start what ever it may be and if that's your thing then more to ya but the point of a mode should not be "extra content, at a cost!" that's dumb.
what? you cant delete characters and not use your paragon points in nonseason? you cant just delete your character on first death on softcore? those are not physically possible?
games always have costs for perks...i have to spend time to get mats items and gold exp etc. why not game shark this bitch and go god mode with infinite everything then? by my logic seasonal players should bitch about not getting to keep items/exp every new season because thats as INSANE as nonseasonal players bitching about not getting seasonal-only stuff. dont make some piss poor attempt at twisting my logic when youre too close minded to bother comprehending it..
can you imagine if seasonal players made threads EVERY SINGLE SEASON bitching and moaning about not getting to keep their items, exp, etc from previous play?
This comparison makes no sense. The point of season is to start new without ure items, exp etc.
A correct comparison would be, imagine if you was a season player but every season you had to do something non-season in order to unlock stash tabs. Oh, the seasonal players would be bitching then.
End of the day, I've got nothing against people that enjoy season. I personally don't get it, but if u find it fun then more to ya. I just don't see why Blizzards gotta be like "hey hey, I know you don't wanna play seasons... But if you do ull get some extra stuff!" are they afraid if they don't entice people to play Seasons with extra goodies then they wont play it? In which case surely the flaw is in the system, and trying to convince people to play a mode they don't want to play isn't really a fix... I don't see them offering extra goodies if you play HC.
why is that the point of season? what if the point of season was to get new stuff as soon as it comes out? new legs, new patches, new appearance stuff, actual competition in the leaderboard instead of a desolate wasteland where barely trying to push will get you to the low hundreds. and the COST of those perks are having to start over. l2perspective.
theres nothing wrong with blizzard offering incentives to play season. its not like theyre removing features from nonseason to force people into season. theyve offered incentives every season. its each individual players choice to decide whether thats worth it or not. if it isnt, then dont bitch about not getting stuff! bitching about not getting stuff when you decide to play nonseason is the same as season players bitching about having to start over. except they dont bitch about that. because each and every single seasonal player accepted the choice he/she made.
can you imagine if seasonal players made threads EVERY SINGLE SEASON bitching and moaning about not getting to keep their items, exp, etc from previous play?
Why do ppl even bother about THud, those who complain about it have never ever pushed leaderboards and even if they will, they won't have success.
Thud is 100% needed if you srsly want to compete, even if you don't want to, you simply HAVE to because everyone else is using it (speaking about top ranks on leaderboards) and the advantage you get from using it is simply too big.
Botting is sth. different tho, lol @ that Redx guy, that was hilarious.
so since most of the top ranks of leaderboards bot, then botting is 100% needed right? i got top 100 on crusader leaderboard in an earlier season without thud or botting fyi.
It is true that turbo hud should become standard d3 hud. The point is
that if anyone (every d3 player) used turbohub the game would be better experience for everyone.
False, this is a common subjective statement that only voices your personal opinion.
D3 do not support any modifications for a reason, regardless of UI limitations D3 has a very simple gameplay.
Wether its called addons it WoW, or cheats in Diablo3 they are all tools of convenience, their main purpose is to make certain aspects simpler.
Unlike WoW Diablo 3 does not need an enhanced UI or a number of 3.rd party apps to be good or simple enough for anyone.
It is more important to keep it restricted and equal for all to maintain some integrity around the competetive goals of leaderboards&seasons.
thanks now i dont have to respond to that false, false statement. i agree.
I could probably start off by insulting everyone, pointing out their hypocrisy.
Telling people that they are the ones that are stupid and wrong.
But I won't, because that won't get us anywhere.
So I have been on the site and around the community for a while, hiding in the shadows.
Been playing Diablo since the since the first times I tried it out at my friends house way back in the days of yore.
Seeing how the games have morphed and evolved with their communities while mostly minding my own buisness and having fun.
And there are many ways that a person can enjoy their time with these games.
My friends don't enjoy the game the same way I do, they all play for a different reason.
Because somewhere in this game there is something that speaks to us all.
But some of you have seem to have forgotten something fundamental.
It's just a game. That you hopefully play in the way that makes it enjoyable to you.
So do the botters. They are not here to ruin your game, they have their own varied reasons to play the way they do.
The real problem is that with leaderboards Blizz tried to make the game competitive.
But this system is imperfect in so many ways, it mainly rewards how many hours you put into the game.
The playing field is unbalanced between many factors because of this, any player that plays less than another player is at an inherent disadvantage.
No matter how their respective skill levels pan out. This of course tilts the basic playing field in favor of anyone who plays the game for a living.
They are a limited bunch, and this is great for them. They know thair competition and they can battle it out for rank 1 one without too many upsets.
But with bots, anyone can wipe away that playtime advantage and unfortunatly introduce their own level imbalances. This is great for anyone willing to take the risk. If we banned every player who uses a bot today we would just fuck over a bunch of players that have nothing to do with the situation
and make sure that anyone who can spend their days playing is the one that wins by default.
Why are we not asking for more? Why are not telling Blizzard that they should improve the game instead of crying out for them to ruin the enjoyment of others? It makes no sense. Why don't we act progressive instead and ask for a better system where everyone can enjoy themselves?
In the end, a more balanced playingfield will make the game a lot better. And more people can foces on becoming better players in order to compete on the leaderboards. I mean, you don't usually compare someone driving a car to someone who runs by foot. But neither do we say that you can't drive a car because some people think it's lazy. Do most drivers use their car to ruin the days of pedestrians? Doubt it.
So how about we ask for a system the incentivises becoming more skilled at the game rather than just grinding for numerical advantages.
The good players should be crying out for this instead of pressing their time advantage to it's extremes. If they truly are great at this game then they have nothing to fear. Sadly it seems that they do fear increased levels of competition when they cannot rely on their hours of gear and paragon grinding. But hey, prove me wrong! Ask blizzard to cap paragons when entering a ranked Grift, to treat all stat rolls as if maxed. Perhaps even have a couple of standard handmade maps with separate leaderboards. Make it different. Cut away the bullshit from the competition and let people run unranked Grifts as we know them today with unlimited power levels to see how far the system can pushed.
If everyone can start competing after a few hours of play time the cream will still rise to the top and we will see new great players emerging to compete and have a great time. But hey that's just one suggestion, there are probably hundreds more thet we can come up with.
If you really care about the game, don't go after people who play it the way they enjoy it. Ask Blizzard make a it a better game where more people can go to have their fun. And really, if someone who doesn't do anything against you. Why would you care how they play the game? Well I know why, but that's a whole different story.
Thank you for your time!
And no I have not botted in any Diablo.
/Eckshale
kumbaya my friend. kumbaya.
because diablo as a series has always been about the grind. that's inherent.
you're right, everyone deserves to get their fun out of the game. but everyone who plays agreed to the eula/tos. so they should be punished for breaking it. also, some people find their fun by climbing the leaderboards. dont they deserve to do so fairly? if you're against banning botters because they deserve to have fun that way, then blizz would have to create some kind of botting-allowed server or botting-allowed leaderboards for season and non-season. this and making the game not grind-dependent are way too drastic of a change, so were left with ban all cheaters.
So let's make the letter about "cheating" so that whatever slim chance there was of Blizzard actually addressing it will be completely gone or replaced with stupid examples of actions taken by blizz against exploits and other irrelevant stuff. I think people need to get over their ego and i'm not talking about streamers only...
Sarcasm wins all debates right? It doesn't have to be aimed at "cheating" but the problems lay within the parameters of 'third-party software'. So the letter these 26 pillars of the community wrote could be written in that direction. It's not, because most of the signatories are third-party software users. Blizzard could even make an arguement that a website that times CoE is considered to be TPS. Not likely, but the arguement could be made, which would basically wipe the leaderboards completely.
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I have to say though, while they haven't addressed the botting issue as quickly as we'd all hope, fixing and punishing those involved in the Hellfire exploit shows they care. Acting as though it's irrelevant is childish. It was within thier power to do. Which logically speaks to the fact that they don't have a final solution to the bot problem. Would you prefer random bans to people who play more than 8 hours a day?
It doesn't make sense to include Thud in this letter because as you said, almost if not all of the people who signed the letter actually use Thud (Including me, back when i used to play D3). It's too good to give up on while still not breaking the game imo. It's very different from botting, it's more like a reaction to Blizzard's horrible hard-coded UI implementation in D3. The lack of modding support is just really bad and the fact that people have Thud to compensate that is actually a good thing in my view. If Blizzard just works on a better minimap to include things like champion / elite packs that you have already encountered, then they could also make it so you can't read the minimap portion of the game off of the client's memory somehow... I think if Thud didn't have the maphack then it would have been more legit and awesome but the fact that it has some sort of a maphack makes its validity go down by quite a bit.
This letter is about botting and botting is what the people who signed the letter, think that is the worst thing that is happening to the game. I'm glad so many people care about this issue and come to voice their opinion but i really don't understand why you have to disagree with something just because it doesn't fulfill your expectations by 100%... I think we as players in general are a bit spoiled and this attitude of all or nothing is actually pretty bad for us because i think that if this letter would have gained more support and less criticism because people are not satisfied with the fact that it doesn't address other things (that are unrelated imo, thud is unrelated to botting and is not the main issue here), then it would have had more chances at actually creating a change or forcing Blizzard to react, possibly in a bit of a more rushed manner (rushed doesn't have to be bad, just mobilizing resources to a certain direction).
It's hard for people especially mods on this forum to please everyone. It's also hard to argue with 20 different people when it's one mod versus dozens of newcomers or old timers that are all arguing the same points over and over, often without reading what the mods have had to say in previous posts. It's also really stupid in my opinion how some people are offended by the claim that whoever is opposed to this letter is probably a botter because it's just a logical assumption and really, what did you expect? I think people need to lay off a bit and try to focus on the main issue here and that is the fact that D3 is turning into a complete bot fest and if you don't think it's true then i think you are either fooling yourself or just unaware of the magnitude of the problem.
TL:DR: I botted, i used Thud / D3helper whatever and i am in favor of all of those being limited and completely removed but some features of Thud need to stay until Blizzard implements UI modding support. Botting is the main issue here and diverting the focus from the main issue towards lesser issues like Thud is effectively a disservice to the community as a whole because expecting Thud to become "illegal" is simply unrealistic according to what we have seen in the past, and that does not apply to botting therefore this letter receives my (humble ) endorsement.
thud is cheating. flat out. you saying it provides features that shouldve been there is like a botter saying blizzard shouldve allowed innate automated playing and looting. like...what??? what are you even thinking?? cheaters saying the cheat is acceptable EXCEPT FOR THE MAPHACK PORTION because it shouldve been there? wow...just wow.
I didn't read everything, because everyone is repeating their opinion and not staying on target.
D3 is a game, that generates money. Money, which will only be generated, if people are playing it.
--> Will the majority of the actual player base quit the game because some enthusiastic players are botting? No. Will they cry about it? Yes.
--> Will the majority of the actual player base (including botters) quit, when blizzard decides to do smth against botters? Yes. Will a lot of innocent players be negatively affected by blizzards actions? Yes. Does Blizzard want to earn a lot of money? Yes.
Whatever you guys think, no matter how many words are written in this thread and how many of you wish for botters to be banned:
Blizzard is not going to harm their business. Botters will always be there. That's how it works now.
blizzard doesnt earn money on a per player basis. diablo isnt a subscription based game. they earn money from people buying the game not playing it. banning all bots would actually INCREASE their business as a portion of the botters would buy more copies (gaby for example).
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additionally, if you cant find anyone to plvl you, it really DOESNT take that long to level yourself to 70 if you really care about the journey.
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when doing splits in pubs NEVER finish your act's bounties. ALWAYS leave one last one (preferably the boss) unfinished until the bonus rotates to that act. more often than not, there is a tard who will "accidentally" click on tyrael. sometimes you're that tard, but a tard there will be!
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i made my choice to play seasonal content and have lived with that choice HAPPILY every single season. the PERKS of new exclusive content combined with a fresh start and actually competitive leaderboards instead of a desolate wasteland where gr40 gets you onto the board well outweigh the few hours grind required to get back to 70 then few more hours to get usable gear. you are 100% correct in that i do not see any hypocrisy in my stance. please explain it to me.
putting the seasonal (hardcore i might add) god complex aside, storage space is not a huge issue in the game for everyone. funny enough, its less of an issue for seasonal DURING the season and a huge issue for seasonal after the season. id think that items that help seasonal players push way harder in gr is a more important game feature, so they are in fact closing the gap between season and nonseason. if you need more stash, my first advice is to salvage and/or extract your nonancient gear. my second piece of advice is to stop hoarding useless legs that MIGHT become useful in the future. my third piece of advice is to bitch and moan to blizzard about providing more character slots so you can keep all your "useful" gear on actual characters instead of in the stash and wasting a whole group's time while you inevitably have to swap gear and skills at some point.
as a hardcore player i would relish in your misery if blizzard forced everyone to at least try hardcore for stash tabs.
after all this back and forth you then state you dont even play this game which, to me, invalidates your entire opinion! youre too far removed from the struggles and are basing your entire argument on opinions made from a distant memory. my guess is youll play 2weeks to 1month of 2.4 (IF THAT) before you quit and come back to bitch about a game you havent fully experienced.
honestly though, that last bit was meant to offend you. but, that aside, a nonseasonal player who hasnt played since 2.2 cant possibly have a stash full of CURRENTLY useful legs.
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games always have costs for perks...i have to spend time to get mats items and gold exp etc. why not game shark this bitch and go god mode with infinite everything then? by my logic seasonal players should bitch about not getting to keep items/exp every new season because thats as INSANE as nonseasonal players bitching about not getting seasonal-only stuff. dont make some piss poor attempt at twisting my logic when youre too close minded to bother comprehending it..
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why is that the point of season? what if the point of season was to get new stuff as soon as it comes out? new legs, new patches, new appearance stuff, actual competition in the leaderboard instead of a desolate wasteland where barely trying to push will get you to the low hundreds. and the COST of those perks are having to start over. l2perspective.
theres nothing wrong with blizzard offering incentives to play season. its not like theyre removing features from nonseason to force people into season. theyve offered incentives every season. its each individual players choice to decide whether thats worth it or not. if it isnt, then dont bitch about not getting stuff! bitching about not getting stuff when you decide to play nonseason is the same as season players bitching about having to start over. except they dont bitch about that. because each and every single seasonal player accepted the choice he/she made.
pros and cons son. pros and cons.
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can you imagine if seasonal players made threads EVERY SINGLE SEASON bitching and moaning about not getting to keep their items, exp, etc from previous play?
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i dont understand the point of threads like this. nonseason players make a choice to not play seasons. stand by it. or make the switch to season.
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because diablo as a series has always been about the grind. that's inherent.
you're right, everyone deserves to get their fun out of the game. but everyone who plays agreed to the eula/tos. so they should be punished for breaking it. also, some people find their fun by climbing the leaderboards. dont they deserve to do so fairly? if you're against banning botters because they deserve to have fun that way, then blizz would have to create some kind of botting-allowed server or botting-allowed leaderboards for season and non-season. this and making the game not grind-dependent are way too drastic of a change, so were left with ban all cheaters.
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blizzard doesnt earn money on a per player basis. diablo isnt a subscription based game. they earn money from people buying the game not playing it. banning all bots would actually INCREASE their business as a portion of the botters would buy more copies (gaby for example).
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this is..pretty cool.