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Not just the top Crusader. Top 3 monks (currently) are bots with nearly 100% playtime. Top Necro is a bot, and a few others lower down are too. Pretty much every member of ZD clan on Europe are bots too.

The leaderboards are full of them. Thankfully, I couldn't care less about the leaderboards so they don't bother me. It's more funny than anything else that these people think others won't notice. Their playtime is public knowledge.

Because that's so much worse than having leaderboards topped by human bots like gabynator in his prime non-botting time with 80% playtime on 2 hours daily sleep. What do you value more, fellow humans or statistics table in video game?

Why are you so against people playing more than you? I honestly don't understand how you can say botting is the same as someone playing a lot. Those are Apples and Oranges.

How are they different? One ruins your health and life and the other one doesn't. Both are means of farming virtual resources in virtual world.

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If you're pro bot, then you're "Gaming Ethics" are bad. For the legit players, bots are a genuine and real concern to fair play, and that is a problem the staff of D3 need to address.

But blizzard just made a game for people concerned about fair play and competition. Overwatch - no bots there. Absolute 0. Amazing isn't it? It's possible to make a game where brainless farm is not the way of progressing! I'm not pro bot, I'm pro players. Everybody should be allowed to play the way they want AS LONG AS THEY DON'T AFFECT THE EXPERIENCE OF OTHER PLAYERS. I could install d2 right now and start botting on my offline local account. Do you have anything against that?

I think there is a solution for non season. Remove leaderboards. DONE. What's the point of leaderboards on non season? To see who is the biggest loser? Who is the closest to human bot? That is insulting and objectifying players, measuring them by the "hours of grind" stick. Makes me wanna puke. Don't you see that there is something wrong with the situation where even the greatest and most skilled player is outclassed by bunch of scripts in the long run?

There are bots in Overwatch. Aim bots, a quick google searched confirmed that.

Removing leaderboards from non season is an absolutely terrible idea in my opinion. If players want to compete, now they are forced to leave their character and play season. How can you call people losers for competing on non season ladder, that's just where they prefer to play, some people don't like to start over...

You say that people who play a lot and are high on the leaderboards is insulting and objectifying players? lol wut? That's like saying it's insulting that people who spend more time at the gym have better bodies. Oh man F that loser who spends more hours in the gym than me, how dare he have bigger muscles, makes me wanna puke!

If you're "pro player" then why do you insult people who have high paragon on non season, and call them losers? You don't seem like you're "pro players", it seems that you feel anyone who plays more than you, and takes D3 serious is wrong, and shouldn't care about leaderboards. Sorry, but it's not up to you how someone should have fun in a game.

I don't know why you mention gym, nobody is putting guys on the leaderboards based on how buff they are. There are some competitions and surely enough, you don't have chance without steroids, just like you don't have chance in d3 without bot. Same thing - just remove the competition if it's making more harm than good.

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If you're pro bot, then you're "Gaming Ethics" are bad. For the legit players, bots are a genuine and real concern to fair play, and that is a problem the staff of D3 need to address.

But blizzard just made a game for people concerned about fair play and competition. Overwatch - no bots there. Absolute 0. Amazing isn't it? It's possible to make a game where brainless farm is not the way of progressing! I'm not pro bot, I'm pro players. Everybody should be allowed to play the way they want AS LONG AS THEY DON'T AFFECT THE EXPERIENCE OF OTHER PLAYERS. I could install d2 right now and start botting on my offline local account. Do you have anything against that?

I think there is a solution for non season. Remove leaderboards. DONE. What's the point of leaderboards on non season? To see who is the biggest loser? Who is the closest to human bot? That is insulting and objectifying players, measuring them by the "hours of grind" stick. Makes me wanna puke. Don't you see that there is something wrong with the situation where even the greatest and most skilled player is outclassed by bunch of scripts in the long run?

There are bots in Overwatch. Aim bots, a quick google searched confirmed that.

Removing leaderboards from non season is an absolutely terrible idea in my opinion. If players want to compete, now they are forced to leave their character and play season. How can you call people losers for competing on non season ladder, that's just where they prefer to play, some people don't like to start over...

You say that people who play a lot and are high on the leaderboards is insulting and objectifying players? lol wut? That's like saying it's insulting that people who spend more time at the gym have better bodies. Oh man F that loser who spends more hours in the gym than me, how dare he have bigger muscles, makes me wanna puke!

If you're "pro player" then why do you insult people who have high paragon on non season, and call them losers? You don't seem like you're "pro players", it seems that you feel anyone who plays more than you, and takes D3 serious is wrong, and shouldn't care about leaderboards. Sorry, but it's not up to you how someone should have fun in a game.

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Oh come on now, be serious, you don't have chance on non season anyways. These will always be some no life, no job, mom's basement kinda guy playing 22h a day that will beat you no matter what.

I mean you can't fix is 100% like season but you can still improve it, like capping paragon and gem levels in GRs. There could also be an option to do GRs for personal records where paragons would be uncapped but it wouldn't go on leaderboards.

Shure shure but first things first! Regular Banwaves then we can do legit paragon grinding and gem leveling 132++

At no time there will be legit paragon grinding or equal chances even if you ban all the bots ingame. The no job no life argument is strong indeed.
One of my online buddies is around 5.5k non season and around 1.8 i think in the actual season. No Job and no dutys the whole day. Just running speeds from the early morning until late night. If you are a normal person with a normal job around 8 hours and some family in the background you will never be on the same level as those guys. And if there would be a solution to cap paragon for example, it will be the time invest for rift phishing anyways. Its normal, if you want to compete in the top of the ladder that you will have to waste a decend amount of keys just for getting the right rift.
Maybe if everybody starts with the same premises you will reach equality, but then it will be boring if everybody that tries to compete at one special ladder place gets the same rift with same mobs and pylon spots. that would lower diversity of the rift system.

The no job no life argument is terrible. A person who puts more legit hours and work into the game SHOULD have an advantage, and they deserve that. Someone is always going to have an advantage over someone else, either with time, skill, groups, etc... There is no getting around that.

This topic is about botters. Not about if you should care about the leaderboards. You can't tell someone, not to enjoy part of the game, because you don't.

Bottom line is botting is cheating. If you don't care about botters, then this post is not for you, because you're not affected by it. If you're pro bot, then your "Gaming Ethics" are bad. For the legit players, bots are a genuine and real concern to fair play, and that is a problem the staff of D3 need to address.

If you don't care or participate in the leaderboards then your opinion about bots is irrelevant, because it doesn't affect you. I don't understand how someone can say "Who cares about leaderboards, I don't", like are you serious? Then stop replying on this thread, it's clearly not for you.

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You are not going to defeat bots EVER. D3 is the closest h&s to resolve that issue completely, once and for all. With my solution there is simply no incentive to bot and even if someone still wants to bot he would affect only his experience of the game so it would not even matter. Banwaves are just temporary. New bots will arrive sooner or later. With paragon capped in grifts nobody will even have to waste time or resources dealing with bots simply because they won't matter anymore. This is not PoE. This is simple, self found casual h&s with no economy. Just get rid of the incentive for botting. What's so hard or outraging about that? What's so bad about not having to grind for hundreds of hours in order to just PARTICIPATE in the "pushing gr leaderboards" experience. What's so bad about bots or people who literally hire slaves to grind not having any advantages?

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I didn't said you shouldn't push. I listed possible solution to dealing with that severe disadvantage. Restrict paragons and/or gear in GRs. Healthy competition is one thing, grindfest is quite another. Botters can bot, they won't push your leaderboard numbers around and people who want to compete will be finally able to do so and have fair chance without spendning mind numbing amount of time doing brainless gring. Everyone would end up happy. Banning is not a solution. Just remove the incentive. Brilliant, problem solved.

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It affects me im over 4k paragons and regulary on leaderbords so use your imagination...

They acumulate materials in bounties...

I care as legit player there are rules google it EULA TOS...

Any way we enjoy that braindead activity in clan at least I do so...

I bet y use y bot regulary :-*

To be honest, I used bot back in the day in d2 when the only way to steadily build wealth was to do key runs and sell key sets for 1 ist, by my judgment my life was more valuable than spending hundreds of hours for few ists, but in d3 why would I do that? I can gear myself up with 85% perfect gear within few gays with ease and if pushing GRs is not my thing there is literally no point to botting. I like to pop in and do few runs, swap some gear around but mindless grind is not my thing. I get my bit of fun without leaderboards and without thousands of paragons. I just can't see where the problem is. They only way bots affect normal players is that your number next to your name on leaderboards is a bit lower. So what? Does that take away from your fun? How? I'd much rather limit paragons in GR to 800 and/or give everyone static gear for GR competition, there is no point in decimating the playerbase no matter how disfigured it is. They are not making money off of it they are not doing anything, number next to your name shouldn't be the measure of fun you take away from the game.

Firebirds got nerfed not wizards. Saying wizards got nerfed is saying like frost orb went from 400% damage to 300%. The wizard SET got nerfed.

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bro you are the saltiest fucking person on the planet relax.

Actually not. I am just one of the few content creators who care about clean competition and bot-free environment.

You clan is full of bots btw

Season 12 Diablo 3 LeaderBOTard Check #1: EUROPE server

A lot of strong US players left the game, but Europe is still very energetic and competitive level is still incredibly high there. As well as BOTTING LEVEL They always start season earlier than the rest of the world and grind like crazy, so let's check if there's still some actual living players left and not just "Brother Chris" ones sitting on every top rank.

PS: vid recorded 5 days ago