If 3 or 4 acts with the talent of Led Zeppelin, Floyd, Queen, AC/DC, etc. in that caliber hit the scene and got noticed, you could kiss all these poser acts goodbye over night. Look at Nirvana, they pretty much ended Loverboy's career over night. I so wish for another moment like that again, we seriously need to flush the crap out.
I suppose you've never heard of a group called The Dangerous Summer?
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I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
Last night I participated in a weekly Magic: The Gathering tournament called Friday Night Magic. I ended up winning three and losing two. My deck held up and my zombie horde served me well. Also, I won a random prize (Cathedral of War).
Last night I participated in a weekly Magic: The Gathering tournament called Friday Night Magic. I ended up winning three and losing two. My deck held up and my zombie horde served me well. Also, I won a random prize (Cathedral of War).
I can't wait until next Friday.
Sounds like fun! I was always more into d&d cards even though they did not have a board game like mtg... I feel like posting pictures of my awesome cards
Last night I participated in a weekly Magic: The Gathering tournament called Friday Night Magic. I ended up winning three and losing two. My deck held up and my zombie horde served me well. Also, I won a random prize (Cathedral of War).
I can't wait until next Friday.
Sounds like fun! I was always more into d&d cards even though they did not have a board game like mtg... I feel like posting pictures of my awesome cards
I just started playing MTG last Saturday and that was my first Friday Night Magic. I learned a lot last night due to playing in a competitive setting for the first time. It was nice because most of the people I played against would provide helpful advice, both during and after the match. I had a really great time!
I suppose you've never heard of a group called The Dangerous Summer?
No but I just looked them up and listened to Where I want to be, War Paint, and Work in Progress. They're very good but I don't think they will take the music scene by storm, at least with their current sound. The best bands in history are the ones who's sound was either so dynamic they basically kept reinventing the sound of their genre of music or those that had a timeless quality to them.
Take Genesis for example, that was a band of just super talent, out of it came Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins, both pushed the boundaries of music. Steely Dan is another act that was so good they could have written the songs yesterday and they would still hit the charts today. Robert Plant was often referred to the man with a thousand voices because his vocals we're just that good and Jimmy Page is one rocks greatest guitarists. AC/DC had Angus Young and Van Halen had Eddie, both bands were so good musically they succeeded despite losing their lead singers, that's pretty rare. Rush is another band that was so progressive and different in their sound that they were labeled SciFi Rock because it was that different, this was before Alternative was even a term. Plus they have arguably the greatest drummer and bassist in rock.
Marilyn Manson, Tool, I think are more recent examples of acts that have redefined music. The real test is will their music be played 30 years from now on a station with regular frequency. If yes, then you have something IMO. I'm tired of listening to the older stuff, so I really would love to see some new very different stuff come out redefining music again.
Right you are proletaria, and the names you list also show the huge diversity in styles and sounds that made great music great. I'm not so surprised at the cookie cutter bands out there today, but I am stunned at how many singers sound so similar. I didn't think it possible, but the list in the mainstream is shamefully huge. The other thing I find sad is the lack of patience found in the top rated music as well, everything is so rushed.
One of the most bad ass songs in rock history is The Who's, Eminence Front, you just doesn't see that kind of patience often in music anymore, a measured approach to music like this adds so much presence.
Right you are proletaria, and the names you list also show the huge diversity in styles and sounds that made great music great. I'm not so surprised at the cookie cutter bands out there today, but I am stunned at how many singers sound so similar. I didn't think it possible, but the list in the mainstream is shamefully huge. The other thing I find sad is the lack of patience found in the top rated music as well, everything is so rushed.
I wouldn't be so quick to pin the problem on a lack of sound diversity because, as far as I remember, many of the bands you and I both mentioned made a habit of borrowing each others' ideas, sounds, and style. What I think sets this generation, and I use that phrase ever-so-loosely since it spans a few decades, of music apart from the giants of my time is the fact it's now all so uninspiring.
In the post-war (second world war) era, there was so much gravitas coming from the blues community and the fledgling rock/folk types like Cash. They elevated the issues of racial tension that really tapped our civil right's struggles. They pulled no punches mocking political figures and decrying the inadequacy of some legal failings of the day. They even made light of the red scare when it was in full swing. To date, I do not believe any musician has displayed that kind of courage and it really does come across. The last time I can recall a modern band with a serious social/political thrust to their music it was the ho-hum repetitive ballads of Green Day bemoaning the situation of upper-middle-class children.
During the 60's and 70's, the era with which I feel the most kinship, our music was almost entirely driven by the blooming civil rights movement, the Vietnam war, the upset with the Kennedy administration (many people forget that back then, criticism of politicians wasn't so partisan: we called republicans and democrats on their injustices with an even hand), Nixon, and our international parade of government toppling to deny communists the same pleasure. I think the closes modern equivalent was the very early rap music scene where the social injustice of the inner city post white-flight was really brought to the forground in a new sound. I was never a fan of Run DMC or Ice Cube, but I could still listen to some of their music and appreciate the feeling that went into making it was legitimate.
As the 70's rolled on into the 80's and 90's things began to dilute in a hurry. Once Collins, Springsteen, and the like had more or less exhausted their re-vamp of the folk-era in rock format the convservative moral majority had begun to make serious inroads into censorship. Music, admittedly, by this point had become more "vulgar," in the most literal sense, but I think that was more a means of establishing new identities than simply shocking the audience. However; this excuse was used and reckoned to a veritable drum-beat by the convseratives and by the late 90's music on the radio had been bleached and pressure washed to such an extent that new sounds simply couldn't arise with the same volume they had in the past. Metal was, I think, the best response music came up with to this, but American metal music went insane while the Europeans really defined it into a rail against cold-war American enterprise abroad.
Fast forward to the present day where censorship has become more relaxed and I think the issue is now with people and artists finding a common theme. There had been so much time in that era of white-washed 90's rock where we thought nobody would ever bring back a new 1969 that it appeared to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Techno revived the lumpen-awful that was disco. New rap bastardized the revolution that was the original hip-hop. Then, to top it all off, the "alternative," beat became the worst of both worlds: Inherently meaningless, aimed at an affluent audience, and celebrating/protesting nothing in particular.
tl;dr: There are very few bands these days with a voice. They are concerned with their sound or identifying themselves in some esoteric way, but at the end of the day it's easier than ever to simply emulate than it was before. What will bring about the next wave of "good," music is anyone's guess, but I suspect that it will require people in the music industry to tap back into the pleasure and the unrest of society and stop trying to lead it by the nose. The very term "pop," as in "popular," music makes me want to smash recording studio equipment.
More pictures. These are taken in our summerhouse area, that's the sea on the bottom picture. There were practically no waves, and it was beautiful. The ripples (you can faintly make out on the left side) are from a rock I threw before the shot.
Clothing, electronics, books, generic crap really. Just a retail store.
I'm still excited. Assistant Manager to Store Manager ftw.
Best of success to you LinkX
My son decided to challenge himself to eat a raw habanero chili pepper last night, naturally I video taped the event
You can tell him that he's an amateur, you want the devil to prostrate himself before your fiery ass, eat the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion. I ate it and had to go to the ER. The doctor who treated me, added a sentence to the release forms that read, "And I hereby proclaim myself an official dumb ass for eating the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion." Sadly, no video, and I couldn't get a copy of the form with it being a medical thing and all. Will I eat the scorpion pepper again, hell no. I will try the hotsauce if it's available.
Habanero is nothing. I throw that shit in my chili.
I suppose you've never heard of a group called The Dangerous Summer?
I hate the way you cling to ignorance and pass it off as innocence
Selling what?
I can't wait until next Friday.
Sounds like fun! I was always more into d&d cards even though they did not have a board game like mtg... I feel like posting pictures of my awesome cards
I just started playing MTG last Saturday and that was my first Friday Night Magic. I learned a lot last night due to playing in a competitive setting for the first time. It was nice because most of the people I played against would provide helpful advice, both during and after the match. I had a really great time!
Take Genesis for example, that was a band of just super talent, out of it came Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins, both pushed the boundaries of music. Steely Dan is another act that was so good they could have written the songs yesterday and they would still hit the charts today. Robert Plant was often referred to the man with a thousand voices because his vocals we're just that good and Jimmy Page is one rocks greatest guitarists. AC/DC had Angus Young and Van Halen had Eddie, both bands were so good musically they succeeded despite losing their lead singers, that's pretty rare. Rush is another band that was so progressive and different in their sound that they were labeled SciFi Rock because it was that different, this was before Alternative was even a term. Plus they have arguably the greatest drummer and bassist in rock.
Marilyn Manson, Tool, I think are more recent examples of acts that have redefined music. The real test is will their music be played 30 years from now on a station with regular frequency. If yes, then you have something IMO. I'm tired of listening to the older stuff, so I really would love to see some new very different stuff come out redefining music again.
One of the most bad ass songs in rock history is The Who's, Eminence Front, you just doesn't see that kind of patience often in music anymore, a measured approach to music like this adds so much presence.
Tool has that presence
I wouldn't be so quick to pin the problem on a lack of sound diversity because, as far as I remember, many of the bands you and I both mentioned made a habit of borrowing each others' ideas, sounds, and style. What I think sets this generation, and I use that phrase ever-so-loosely since it spans a few decades, of music apart from the giants of my time is the fact it's now all so uninspiring.
In the post-war (second world war) era, there was so much gravitas coming from the blues community and the fledgling rock/folk types like Cash. They elevated the issues of racial tension that really tapped our civil right's struggles. They pulled no punches mocking political figures and decrying the inadequacy of some legal failings of the day. They even made light of the red scare when it was in full swing. To date, I do not believe any musician has displayed that kind of courage and it really does come across. The last time I can recall a modern band with a serious social/political thrust to their music it was the ho-hum repetitive ballads of Green Day bemoaning the situation of upper-middle-class children.
During the 60's and 70's, the era with which I feel the most kinship, our music was almost entirely driven by the blooming civil rights movement, the Vietnam war, the upset with the Kennedy administration (many people forget that back then, criticism of politicians wasn't so partisan: we called republicans and democrats on their injustices with an even hand), Nixon, and our international parade of government toppling to deny communists the same pleasure. I think the closes modern equivalent was the very early rap music scene where the social injustice of the inner city post white-flight was really brought to the forground in a new sound. I was never a fan of Run DMC or Ice Cube, but I could still listen to some of their music and appreciate the feeling that went into making it was legitimate.
As the 70's rolled on into the 80's and 90's things began to dilute in a hurry. Once Collins, Springsteen, and the like had more or less exhausted their re-vamp of the folk-era in rock format the convservative moral majority had begun to make serious inroads into censorship. Music, admittedly, by this point had become more "vulgar," in the most literal sense, but I think that was more a means of establishing new identities than simply shocking the audience. However; this excuse was used and reckoned to a veritable drum-beat by the convseratives and by the late 90's music on the radio had been bleached and pressure washed to such an extent that new sounds simply couldn't arise with the same volume they had in the past. Metal was, I think, the best response music came up with to this, but American metal music went insane while the Europeans really defined it into a rail against cold-war American enterprise abroad.
Fast forward to the present day where censorship has become more relaxed and I think the issue is now with people and artists finding a common theme. There had been so much time in that era of white-washed 90's rock where we thought nobody would ever bring back a new 1969 that it appeared to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Techno revived the lumpen-awful that was disco. New rap bastardized the revolution that was the original hip-hop. Then, to top it all off, the "alternative," beat became the worst of both worlds: Inherently meaningless, aimed at an affluent audience, and celebrating/protesting nothing in particular.
tl;dr: There are very few bands these days with a voice. They are concerned with their sound or identifying themselves in some esoteric way, but at the end of the day it's easier than ever to simply emulate than it was before. What will bring about the next wave of "good," music is anyone's guess, but I suspect that it will require people in the music industry to tap back into the pleasure and the unrest of society and stop trying to lead it by the nose. The very term "pop," as in "popular," music makes me want to smash recording studio equipment.
Clothing, electronics, books, generic crap really. Just a retail store.
I'm still excited. Assistant Manager to Store Manager ftw.
Good luck with that dude.
Edit: Thats a great post, Proletaria.
My son decided to challenge himself to eat a raw habanero chili pepper last night, naturally I video taped the event
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0lrlQaQLUE
We love our fluff, he has quite the personality.
That second shot is just bliss.
You can tell him that he's an amateur, you want the devil to prostrate himself before your fiery ass, eat the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion. I ate it and had to go to the ER. The doctor who treated me, added a sentence to the release forms that read, "And I hereby proclaim myself an official dumb ass for eating the Trinidad Moruga Scorpion." Sadly, no video, and I couldn't get a copy of the form with it being a medical thing and all. Will I eat the scorpion pepper again, hell no. I will try the hotsauce if it's available.
Habanero is nothing. I throw that shit in my chili.
Forgot the link: http://hottest-peppers.com/trinidad-moruga-scorpion.htm