A few things, first to those of you who have left constructive feedback/criticism I appreciate you taking the time read through my post and share your thoughts!
Now, to clarify a few things. NO I do not play WD, I have a fully geard Pet and Jade WD but I have never played them, I have just built them from drops from people I run with. So I am not QQing that they are no good now simply because I play one, I am frustrated every time a class falls behind regardless of if I play it or not. I main a Monk, and I played a monk through the entirety of RoS 2.0 even through they were only good as EP support classes. The only reason that it appears that I am most considered with them is because they afforded a good example for what I was saying. If I wanted I could come up with similar examples for every single class.
@Ninfu. How do I define myself as a top player? First of, I never said i was "The best player" but that being said, I am on average way higher paragon then 90% of the players in the game, I have more play time then the average player, I have invested time and effort into creating builds and figuring out the mechanics of the game, and I am ranked on almost every single leader board at the moment. So that is how I define myself as a top player.
And as for the people saying that the leader boards have people of every class on them at the top, if you ever bothered to go out and get an eduction (or even educate yourself) you would realize that 90%+ of the top people on the leader boards are DH and that right there shows that DHs are "Destroying everything". Sure you will always have that one guy that is insanely geard to the teeth and gets 5 conduit pylons back to back and destroys the rift, but if you look at the average it is very very very very obvious that DH is on the top and saying anything else is simply ignorant or being said just to be argumentative.
Now granted all of you that say that I am QQing I guarantee that if you actually post your D3 profile most of you will have relatively low experience or playtime. I've seen it before on the Bent forums, the people who have nothing intelligent to say and just HAVE to come in and troll are the people that do not know much about the game.
@binnesman5 Lets put some real numbers behind your post and watch you look like an idiot, this should be fun.
Looking at the solo leader baords.
WD #1- 41 WD #10- 38
Sader #1- 41 Sader #10- 39
Barb #1- 43 Barb #10- 38
Wiz #1- 42 Wiz #10- 40
Monk #1- 40 Monk #10- 37
DH #1- 43 DH #10- 42
There is a little bit more intelligent collection of information. In order to say something, you need to look at averages, and if you look at the average, DH is on top. Now if we decide to look at the the 100th position you get an even clearer idea of what I was saying.
WD: 35
Sader: 37
Barb: 36
Wiz: 38
Monk: 36
And for the DH rank 100 is 40! Does this still seem balanced to you? If so then you should go look at this:
Dont try to tell me that it "takes time" or that it is "difficult to implement" because I have done a lot of programming and I know exactly how easy and fast this is to fix!
Actually it does take time. It's a process. Knowing how to program does not mean anything, when it's a company / studio, every bit of development has to go first through meetings and then qa etc etc...
I'm also frustrated at times by the lack of fixing certain things that have been going on for a long while but on the other hand, there are many other things that are awesome and i enjoy.
Dont try to tell me that it "takes time" or that it is "difficult to implement" because I have done a lot of programming and I know exactly how easy and fast this is to fix!
Actually it does take time. It's a process. Knowing how to program does not mean anything, when it's a company / studio, every bit of development has to go first through meetings and then qa etc etc...
I'm also frustrated at times by the lack of fixing certain things that have been going on for a long while but on the other hand, there are many other things that are awesome and i enjoy.
Yes, I do know that it does take some time, and that they do have to go through a process of meetings and qa etc.... but somethings do not need to go through this process, for example the % Haunt damage bug, it is an obvious bug do they really need to have a meeting about it?
I do understand somethings taking time, I am simply frustrated that every thing they do takes 3+ months to fix and then when they do "Fix" something most of the time they create a bug somewhere else.
BTW I appreciate your comment and the fact that you are actually trying to add to the discussion.
TL;DR: Although there are very valid concerns about game balance and direction, you're just a spoiled brat, and you deserved that suspension.
How does this make sense? Because I talk about game imbalance and blizzards inaction and how many (yes I could list many of them) top end players are ready to quit I am a spoiled brat and deserve a suspension?
What a weird topic. The game might lose its "most experienced players" ....the game already lost millions of players. The whole endgame is catered to more "dedicated" players. A content patch was made all about leaderboards so the top players in the world can compete and show the world. Blizzard is doing streaming sessions with developers and the "stars of the community" and constantly answers about complaints that only the top 5% of the world care about.
What do you expect? The lead designer coming to your thread and personally answering your accusations, because your'e so experienced in the game? Topics that are all about blaming blizzard have been closed since the forums exist. Just playing Diablo 3 some hours more than every one else doesn't make you special enough to be above all rules, i guess. Come down to earth, they are working on it, and they are caring a lot about dedicated players like you.
No I do not expect the lead designer to come to my thread and answer me. And no obviously they do not care about players such as myself because when I create a thread to talk about my issues (not just mine) blizzard deletes my thread and suspends my account? Thats how people show care these days?
''You will lose some of your best players'' Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Like they give a flying f*** about how good anyone is @ D3.
They're actively working on updating and rebalancing, tweaking and adding content to a game we paid the regular triple-A price to play. Blizzard has provided us with a top tier game, and gave us an incredible bang for our buck.
I think I've played something like 800 hours total, and paid ~80£ for the game + expac, which evens out @ 10 pence/hour. I shed about 40£ on the average non-Blizzard triple-A title, but spend less than 24 hours playing them before they're shelved and forgotten, meaning I shed about 1.7£/hour to play said games, games that are static and receive little to no updates.
TL;DR: Although there are very valid concerns about game balance and direction, you're just a spoiled brat, and you deserved that suspension.
He is not a brat at all, and when he says experienced players he never claimed to be the best, but often people who talk trash are like paragon 200ish, and have not played up to end game content. The point is they promise things then do not change then when they say they will... They say one thing then do another.. I know of a few bugs that have been in the game for years, that they claim have been fixed.. I know of lesser company's/games that fix bug issues right away. I know blizz has a lot to deal with and change etc, but you can not sit here and tell me % damage on gear being bugged like haunt was for example, is something that needs to be talked about and then fixed months later...
Sure they may not care who leaves or stays, or if he is good or not at the game. But that is the exact point the seeming conflict of lack of care for what would greatly improve the game. And I am not talking about catering to everyone's wish or desire, but to simply fix frame rate issues in areas. Or fixing damage % on gear, or fixing Hydra for wizards.... The list goes on.... Paying for a broken product you would take it back and get a new one would you not? I my self do not buy any and every game that comes out, but I do buy games that are deemed worthwhile and have high replay value. And like he has stated when it is a new game sure bug issues are fine, it happens, but the same one for 3-4 years??? Stop being close minded tools and seriously try to consider the words being spoken, sure the post came off arrogant perhaps or irritated, but they banned his post of honesty, and he was not being a dick.... Simply put think before you open your mouth and share words...
I like that most of the players think that leaderboards are only for the hardcore, dedicated 24/7 players that don't have a job or family. I might be good example of average joe that works 8h per day, play max 2-3hours and is quite high in leaderboards ranking (im 37 worldwide HC monk).
You are all delusional thinking that leaderboards are created for nolifers.
There is a reason why players who actually are skilled are able to farm T6 ~~15-20hours after starting new character and you are not. And this is not RNG as they are able to do that whenever they roll new toon. You wanna know how they do it? Instead of whining on the forums, like you do, they play the game and learn the min-max theorycraft issues to farm with the best efficiency.
I know this is low and childish but..heck, I just have to say that L2P
LMFAO you sir are childish. Where from all of my entire post did you come up with any of the information that you talk about? Where did I say that leader boards are for nolifers? Where did I say that I CAN NOT farm T6 ~15-20 hours after starting a new toon (to be honest 15-20 hours is WAY WAY more time then the good players, yes including myself, need to gear up a character to farm T6, it probably would take maybe 5-6 to do this)?
You come here and make a post like this and it is sooo easy to tell that you are simply talking and have no Idea that what you are saying is idiotic. Please next time you try and decipher what I am trying to say, try and understand simple English first, because to be honest if you got all that from what I posted you are using a different language then I am.
At least intelligent people will see how stupid your comment is
Dont try to tell me that it "takes time" or that it is "difficult to implement" because I have done a lot of programming and I know exactly how easy and fast this is to fix!
Actually it does take time. It's a process. Knowing how to program does not mean anything, when it's a company / studio, every bit of development has to go first through meetings and then qa etc etc...
I'm also frustrated at times by the lack of fixing certain things that have been going on for a long while but on the other hand, there are many other things that are awesome and i enjoy.
Yes, I do know that it does take some time, and that they do have to go through a process of meetings and qa etc.... but somethings do not need to go through this process, for example the % Haunt damage bug, it is an obvious bug do they really need to have a meeting about it?
I do understand somethings taking time, I am simply frustrated that every thing they do takes 3+ months to fix and then when they do "Fix" something most of the time they create a bug somewhere else.
BTW I appreciate your comment and the fact that you are actually trying to add to the discussion.
What could seem very simple to us might actually take months in development cycles. Internal builds or release candidates get shot down all the time. Not all bug fixes and features make it into every new version that comes out. That's just the nature of the industry and it becomes even more complex when it's a studio with thousands of workers.
Everytime we (me and friends) start to talk about certain bugs we remember how many crappy broken things there are and how long it takes blizz to fix them and eventually we are all like "fuckin blizzard lol" and yeah that's frustrating... But just like i said earlier, there are other things that are awesome and the game is actually providing me with a lot of entertainment value.
I just think that we should all lower our expectations from the D3 team and just wait patiently. Sure some things are broken now but we might as well just enjoy it while it lasts because guess what, next patch, new things will be borken and new bugs will be discovered and new builds will be op. It's just how D3 is and it seems like Blizzard are fine with that...
One thing we have to acknowledge though in my opinion is that the game in its current state is relatively fucking awesome.
Dont try to tell me that it "takes time" or that it is "difficult to implement" because I have done a lot of programming and I know exactly how easy and fast this is to fix!
Actually it does take time. It's a process. Knowing how to program does not mean anything, when it's a company / studio, every bit of development has to go first through meetings and then qa etc etc...
I'm also frustrated at times by the lack of fixing certain things that have been going on for a long while but on the other hand, there are many other things that are awesome and i enjoy.
Yes, I do know that it does take some time, and that they do have to go through a process of meetings and qa etc.... but somethings do not need to go through this process, for example the % Haunt damage bug, it is an obvious bug do they really need to have a meeting about it?
I do understand somethings taking time, I am simply frustrated that every thing they do takes 3+ months to fix and then when they do "Fix" something most of the time they create a bug somewhere else.
BTW I appreciate your comment and the fact that you are actually trying to add to the discussion.
What could seem very simple to us might actually take months in development cycles. Internal builds or release candidates get shot down all the time. Not all bug fixes and features make it into every new version that comes out. That's just the nature of the industry and it becomes even more complex when it's a studio with thousands of workers.
Everytime we (me and friends) start to talk about certain bugs we remember how many crappy broken things there are and how long it takes blizz to fix them and eventually we are all like "fuckin blizzard lol" and yeah that's frustrating... But just like i said earlier, there are other things that are awesome and the game is actually providing me with a lot of entertainment value.
I just think that we should all lower our expectations from the D3 team and just wait patiently. Sure some things are broken now but we might as well just enjoy it while it lasts because guess what, next patch, new things will be borken and new bugs will be discovered and new builds will be op. It's just how D3 is and it seems like Blizzard are fine with that...
One thing we have to acknowledge though in my opinion is that the game in its current state is relatively fucking awesome.
Now this guy knows how to talk and debate, you sir have some very good valid points. I would say it is fun and brings much better content than before for sure. It is as we can all agree irritating with the bugs etc.... But anyway thanks for sharing buddy.
I do understand somethings taking time, I am simply frustrated that every thing they do takes 3+ months to fix and then when they do "Fix" something most of the time they create a bug somewhere else.
Do you know how large the code base for D3 is? Do you know how certain parts of the code base interact with each other? Any time&effort blizard puts into d3 after they sold the initial copy or exp decreases their profit. With the current pace blizzard releases hotfixes and patches for d3 we should feel kinda lucky tbh.
Im not saying everything is fine. Im not saying that class balance is not an issue bcuz it is at least for 3/4player parties when aiming to clear higher greater rifts(aka 40+) BUT the devs realy do a great job atm. Every single class and a lot of builds are now viable for farming T6. And thats the messurement for the majority of the playerbase. People who wanne compete in top ladder rankings are a tiny minority. Just have a look at the class forums and look up the threads like 3 months ago. There where so many posts from people you couldnt farm pass T3 bcuz gear and/or build didnt support it. Now people start complain about not clearing greater rifts past 35 or what ever. In D3 we always had some fotm classes and cookie cutter builds for endgame content. Prior 2.1 it was mostly Holy Shotgun, Jade or Pet WD and LeapQuake Barbs. Now its time to shine for dh´s and im pretty sure in like 3 or 4 months another class will be on top of the foodchain.
And just some sidenote in regards of wd´s...In 3/4ppl party they are freaking powerful. Its the only class when played right(and uses the needed gear and spec) who can shut down like 90% of all the elite affixes.
Yes they are powerful..... as just a tank with 1 play style for GR.... that is the point..... More builds should be viable, and promises are made and not kept.
Its amazing how anyone who points out your "the sky is falling" and over the top dramatization of the current state of the game is an "idiot" and "childish". Essentially what this all boils down to, is that you think because you have seen a piece of code on the internet, your a programmer. You also believe because you have "more hours played" your opinion doesn't smell like crap as much as everyone elses.
If you were a "programmer", you would know how much of a PIA it is to debug thousands of lines of code (ALOT more for D3 actually), and how fixing one bug can break or cripple other things depending upon where and what that line of code affects. Its not always as simple as changing a variable or statement.
I am guessing that your post on D3 forums got deleted because you were doing the same thing your doing here. Just inciting a flame war because you believe you are better than everyone else, and therefore believe your opinion is fact.
@Astrayon Thanks for the civil reply I appreciate it! First off, I was not as blunt as to say "hey bad blizz, do stuff or i will leave!" my post was honest, its not an opinion or a threat its a fact, I literally read a forum post today from a paragon 700 player who posted that they were quitting the game (I understand his thread being removed as it was very aggressive and simply stated that he was quitting).
And yes I would prefer blizzard be silent about what they are doing then make promises and not keep them, I would greatly prefer that they do this.
Its amazing how anyone who points out your "the sky is falling" and over the top dramatization of the current state of the game is an "idiot" and "childish". Essentially what this all boils down to, is that you think because you have seen a piece of code on the internet, your a programmer. You also believe because you have "more hours played" your opinion doesn't smell like crap as much as everyone elses.
If you were a "programmer", you would know how much of a PIA it is to debug thousands of lines of code (ALOT more for D3 actually), and how fixing one bug can break or cripple other things depending upon where and what that line of code affects. Its not always as simple as changing a variable or statement.
I am guessing that your post on D3 forums got deleted because you were doing the same thing your doing here. Just inciting a flame war because you believe you are better than everyone else, and therefore believe your opinion is fact.
Either that or your trolling.
Well he is better than the average player..... And we do take part in 2 of the top T6 rifting community's in D3... He never said he is better, simply put we have game knowledge/experience... And more than one person, (not naming names) of high player quality has said they are leaving the game due to this, or that. One of them being just GR RNG and conduit gaming.. Anyway point being, these are not things pulled out of no where, they are real issues that exist, and sure the post may have come off as hostile, but frustration is inevitable when you continue to pay for a broken or not fully working product... If you are willing to buy things that do not work 100% after 4 to 5 years of being worked on then by all means more power to you.... But in most cases like I have said most people would return a broken product and swap for a new one or go with a different brand.. So by making post he is more or less trying to tell blizzard changes he would like to see. Sure it may have come off as dickish but they did snuff his original post, which I read and was not rude at all... And if it did not bother you then I guess you are boss man... Anyway wait till your barb gets to GR 35, 38 or even 40+ you will see buddy.
Also Hyperion is on all of the top listings of leader boards, again not saying he is better, but clearly game exp is obtained by seeing end game etc..
Its amazing how anyone who points out your "the sky is falling" and over the top dramatization of the current state of the game is an "idiot" and "childish". Essentially what this all boils down to, is that you think because you have seen a piece of code on the internet, your a programmer. You also believe because you have "more hours played" your opinion doesn't smell like crap as much as everyone elses.
If you were a "programmer", you would know how much of a PIA it is to debug thousands of lines of code (ALOT more for D3 actually), and how fixing one bug can break or cripple other things depending upon where and what that line of code affects. Its not always as simple as changing a variable or statement.
I am guessing that your post on D3 forums got deleted because you were doing the same thing your doing here. Just inciting a flame war because you believe you are better than everyone else, and therefore believe your opinion is fact.
Either that or your trolling.
Making statements like this shows how unintelligent you are. It is just plain ignorant to make assumptions about things and then make statements about them at treat them as facts.
Saying "because you have seen a piece of code on the internet, your a programmer" and actually treating as truth and basing an argument off of it is ignorant, if you had any training in programming you would have been required to lean about logic and you would know that something like that is just stupid to do and illogical (maybe you have had the training and just plane forgot or you like showing off you ignorant you can be).
"You also believe because you have "more hours played" your opinion doesn't smell like crap as much as everyone elses." again presuming that you know what I think is stupid. If I did not say do not try and read into what I am saying.
"I am guessing that your post on D3 forums got deleted because you were doing the same thing your doing here. Just inciting a flame war because you believe you are better than everyone else, and therefore believe your opinion is fact"
Well keep guessing buddy cause that's about all you appear to be good at
And no as a matter of fact, the post that I made on the blizzard forums was more constructive and and left room for discussion and not at all intended to be hostile. Simply put after taking the time to bring issues up with blizzard in hopes of them or people on the forums discussing it and eventually making changes, having blizzard flat out delete my thread and ban my account pissed me of. If you had the same thing happen to you and not get irritated then good for you.
Just an FYI if you are idiot and make idiotic comments here I will treat you as such.
For those of you who are interested in a civil and constructive discussion I appreciate your comments and thoughts.
I pulled up the leaderboards for GRifts just to see how so horribly unbalanced this game is as you say. Well here is the results for top GRift achieved per class on non-seasonal soft-core.
WD: 41
DH: 43
SADER: 41
BARB: 43
WIZ: 42
MONK: 40
Looks pretty balanced to me. I'd like to see you make a multiplayer game which has 6 classes with 23*5 different abilities and 18 passives of which 4-5 are active at a time and get all of those classes to be within 5% of each other.
I pulled out EU leaderboards with ignoring super-lucky single/two top scores, which isn't repetitive scores:
Barb - GR40 x3, GR39 x12
Crusader - GR40 x5, GR39 x12
DH - GR42 x14, GR41 x71 (not a mistake)
Monk - GR39 x6, GR38 x12
WD - GR40 x3, GR39 x6, GR38 x11
Wizz - GR41 x6, GR40 x26
Conclusion:
This isn't pretty balanced. Class with least potencial is Monk, next to him is WD, then goes Crus and after him Barb. Then we've got a gap, wizz pop out and DH just blows all classes out. If you gonna say "there is no difference between 39 and 41", then surely you've never get on higher GR or you just playing DH.
Have you ever thought that this is caused because majority of players plays DH? DH was always top played class in Diablo 3, even on Vanillia. If 1000 players plays DH and 100 plays Monk it's quite simple that there will be more DH on higher Grifts?
And what is 'more' op, DH that can go solo to 43, or Monk that can get perma immortality with 4 second Serenity and 3,7s CD on it and lead the party to grift 50?
Dude have you ever played this game? Like really do you know what you are talking about at all? People play DH right now because it is the best class currently period.... I mean really like do some research...
I can understand that it is frustrating, if bugs, glitches and random determine who's winning the competition. Personally i think that diablo itself is by design a horrible game for a fair competition, because random>>> skill, but blizzard decided to open that can of worms and now they have to deal with it, and they will. They did fine with starcraft. The community made them abandon the auction house. Imagine to convince Bobby Kotick that shutting down a cash cow for a better game is worth it I wouldn't be so sceptic. They took a new path for diablo 3 and thats competitive pve. We will see it polished.
@Communication: I love it when designers talk. From time to time this leads to broken promises, but i love to see how their games develope. I quit wow years ago but i still read mmo-champion on a regular basis, just so see what they do and why. Every path has its own advantages and disadvantages. Microsoft chose the "no communication" path with windows 8 and we all know how that played out. Behind broken primises, there is sometimes and interesting story, and sometimes a simple reason. Invoker-Set? They hadn't had a good idea yet. I would prefer them to fix this set instead of making new ones since the items till drop, and months before Loot 2.0 they said "Legendarys should not be 'is it awesome?' but more 'how awesome is it?' and worthless crap should not be part of the loot tables imo.
Agreed very much good sir, thank you for posting and sharing. Again another broken promise, loot 2.0 like you said was promised to be much better loot and the shine wore off fast and it became very lack luster.
Its amazing how anyone who points out your "the sky is falling" and over the top dramatization of the current state of the game is an "idiot" and "childish". Essentially what this all boils down to, is that you think because you have seen a piece of code on the internet, your a programmer. You also believe because you have "more hours played" your opinion doesn't smell like crap as much as everyone elses.
If you were a "programmer", you would know how much of a PIA it is to debug thousands of lines of code (ALOT more for D3 actually), and how fixing one bug can break or cripple other things depending upon where and what that line of code affects. Its not always as simple as changing a variable or statement.
I am guessing that your post on D3 forums got deleted because you were doing the same thing your doing here. Just inciting a flame war because you believe you are better than everyone else, and therefore believe your opinion is fact.
Either that or your trolling.
Making statements like this shows how unintelligent you are. It is just plain ignorant to make assumptions about things and then make statements about them at treat them as facts.
Saying "because you have seen a piece of code on the internet, your a programmer" and actually treating as truth and basing an argument off of it is ignorant, if you had any training in programming you would have been required to lean about logic and you would know that something like that is just stupid to do (maybe you have had the training and just plane forgot or you like showing off you ignorant you can be).
"You also believe because you have "more hours played" your opinion doesn't smell like crap as much as everyone elses." again presuming that you know what I think is stupid. If I did not say do not try and read into what I am saying.
"I am guessing that your post on D3 forums got deleted because you were doing the same thing your doing here. Just inciting a flame war because you believe you are better than everyone else, and therefore believe your opinion is fact"
Well keep guessing buddy cause that's about all you appear to be good at
And no as a matter of fact, the post that I made on the blizzard forums was more constructive and and left room for discussion and not at all intended to be hostile. Simply put after taking the time to bring issues up with blizzard in hopes of them or people on the forums discussing it and eventually making changes, having blizzard flat out delete my thread and ban my account pissed me of. If you had the same thing happen to you and not get irritated then good for you.
You keep telling people they are not intelligent enough to debate with you, and insult others who disagree with you. After those insults I don't have to guess why your post was deleted - it's plain and simple, because you are nothing more than a riot that cannot build anything constructive.
I don't know how intelligent are you, or what is your profession. I don't care if you are native english speaker and have troubles with understanding others, I don't care what type of player you are and what is your experience in diablo genre. What I care is that all you did in your first post was complain without showing any ways of exit. And when people said that maybe you should change your attitude you started to insult them.
You may know, or may not how the programming process looks like - however, you can't judge the blizzard programmers for not doing their job unless you were involved in project as big as Diablo. I can tell you that programming is not only thing that Blizz has to do. They also have to approve all the changes and push it through the QA lab to determinate whether it causes another bugs or not. You think that changing one line in code cannot mess with the rest of the game? Well sir, you never worked / read about the QA process then. The bigger the change is, the more testing it needs. You demand blizzard to be fast as hell with next patches, but in the same post you say that they give you bugged game. So you want fast and untested patch or not?
You behave like a little spoiled kid, who spent money on a product and demand everything. Wake up, they are doing their best.
Ok, first of no there have been intelligent and reasonable posts here that completely disagree with what I say and because they are well thought out responses and meant to be constructive I appreciate their comments and have said as much. As for people who say stupid things/say things without support or simply say things because they want to get a reaction out of people, as for people like that, yes they are not intelligent enough to debate with me, and I will treat them the exact same way they treat others.
If you actually took the time to read what you quoted me saying, you would realize that I already said that my post here was not exactly what I posted on blizzards forums and that my actual thread was more constructive and left room for feed back; I quote "And no as a matter of fact, the post that I made on the blizzard forums was more constructive and and left room for discussion and not at all intended to be hostile. Simply put after taking the time to bring issues up with blizzard in hopes of them or people on the forums discussing it and eventually making changes, having blizzard flat out delete my thread and ban my account pissed me of"
So once again you are a prime example of why I am annoyed, because people have one thought on their minds and regardless of what is actually said will still say what they want.
"And when people said that maybe you should change your attitude you started to insult them." please show me this? If they want to be a rude ass first then I will, like I said before, reply in kind, but if you have something constructive to say i appreciate their thoughts. So please show me this?
"You behave like a little spoiled kid, who spent money on a product and demand everything. Wake up, they are doing their best."
Well, if you are happy with a broken product then good for you Don't tell me that you would be happy if you bought a car and every week find a new problem with it and take it into the dealer to get fixed, and every week they "Fix" it but create a new problem, if you do I'll know that you are just being a troll. Don't tell me that that is a different situation, because it is not.
End game represents only part of the game play anyway. There are way morepeople still busytestingvarious classes and builds with different gear and gems at a relatively lower level. A "top player" does not pay more than a casual player, who still has much to explore with the current patch or even the previous patches. Which software is free of bug? Of course, Blizzard's work is not perfect, say, lousy original design for some sets which are off by 10 folds or more, like the firebird and the 1000 raiment etc.; but that are not critical for the overall game play. And now all these are corrected.
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Now, to clarify a few things. NO I do not play WD, I have a fully geard Pet and Jade WD but I have never played them, I have just built them from drops from people I run with. So I am not QQing that they are no good now simply because I play one, I am frustrated every time a class falls behind regardless of if I play it or not. I main a Monk, and I played a monk through the entirety of RoS 2.0 even through they were only good as EP support classes. The only reason that it appears that I am most considered with them is because they afforded a good example for what I was saying. If I wanted I could come up with similar examples for every single class.
@Ninfu. How do I define myself as a top player? First of, I never said i was "The best player" but that being said, I am on average way higher paragon then 90% of the players in the game, I have more play time then the average player, I have invested time and effort into creating builds and figuring out the mechanics of the game, and I am ranked on almost every single leader board at the moment. So that is how I define myself as a top player.
And as for the people saying that the leader boards have people of every class on them at the top, if you ever bothered to go out and get an eduction (or even educate yourself) you would realize that 90%+ of the top people on the leader boards are DH and that right there shows that DHs are "Destroying everything". Sure you will always have that one guy that is insanely geard to the teeth and gets 5 conduit pylons back to back and destroys the rift, but if you look at the average it is very very very very obvious that DH is on the top and saying anything else is simply ignorant or being said just to be argumentative.
Now granted all of you that say that I am QQing I guarantee that if you actually post your D3 profile most of you will have relatively low experience or playtime. I've seen it before on the Bent forums, the people who have nothing intelligent to say and just HAVE to come in and troll are the people that do not know much about the game.
Looking at the solo leader baords.
WD #1- 41 WD #10- 38
Sader #1- 41 Sader #10- 39
Barb #1- 43 Barb #10- 38
Wiz #1- 42 Wiz #10- 40
Monk #1- 40 Monk #10- 37
DH #1- 43 DH #10- 42
There is a little bit more intelligent collection of information. In order to say something, you need to look at averages, and if you look at the average, DH is on top. Now if we decide to look at the the 100th position you get an even clearer idea of what I was saying.
WD: 35
Sader: 37
Barb: 36
Wiz: 38
Monk: 36
And for the DH rank 100 is 40! Does this still seem balanced to you? If so then you should go look at this:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/balance
I'm also frustrated at times by the lack of fixing certain things that have been going on for a long while but on the other hand, there are many other things that are awesome and i enjoy.
I do understand somethings taking time, I am simply frustrated that every thing they do takes 3+ months to fix and then when they do "Fix" something most of the time they create a bug somewhere else.
BTW I appreciate your comment and the fact that you are actually trying to add to the discussion.
No I do not expect the lead designer to come to my thread and answer me. And no obviously they do not care about players such as myself because when I create a thread to talk about my issues (not just mine) blizzard deletes my thread and suspends my account? Thats how people show care these days?
If you want an example of Blizzards promises and lies, read the end of the blue post here: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/12675107469?page=51#1001
In 2.1 Raiment of a thousand storms is still junk.
Invoker set is still junk.
The shadow set is still Junk.
This has happened countless times and I am saying that I am getting fed up with this.
Sure they may not care who leaves or stays, or if he is good or not at the game. But that is the exact point the seeming conflict of lack of care for what would greatly improve the game. And I am not talking about catering to everyone's wish or desire, but to simply fix frame rate issues in areas. Or fixing damage % on gear, or fixing Hydra for wizards.... The list goes on.... Paying for a broken product you would take it back and get a new one would you not? I my self do not buy any and every game that comes out, but I do buy games that are deemed worthwhile and have high replay value. And like he has stated when it is a new game sure bug issues are fine, it happens, but the same one for 3-4 years??? Stop being close minded tools and seriously try to consider the words being spoken, sure the post came off arrogant perhaps or irritated, but they banned his post of honesty, and he was not being a dick.... Simply put think before you open your mouth and share words...
LMFAO you sir are childish. Where from all of my entire post did you come up with any of the information that you talk about? Where did I say that leader boards are for nolifers? Where did I say that I CAN NOT farm T6 ~15-20 hours after starting a new toon (to be honest 15-20 hours is WAY WAY more time then the good players, yes including myself, need to gear up a character to farm T6, it probably would take maybe 5-6 to do this)?
You come here and make a post like this and it is sooo easy to tell that you are simply talking and have no Idea that what you are saying is idiotic. Please next time you try and decipher what I am trying to say, try and understand simple English first, because to be honest if you got all that from what I posted you are using a different language then I am.
At least intelligent people will see how stupid your comment is
Everytime we (me and friends) start to talk about certain bugs we remember how many crappy broken things there are and how long it takes blizz to fix them and eventually we are all like "fuckin blizzard lol" and yeah that's frustrating... But just like i said earlier, there are other things that are awesome and the game is actually providing me with a lot of entertainment value.
I just think that we should all lower our expectations from the D3 team and just wait patiently. Sure some things are broken now but we might as well just enjoy it while it lasts because guess what, next patch, new things will be borken and new bugs will be discovered and new builds will be op. It's just how D3 is and it seems like Blizzard are fine with that...
One thing we have to acknowledge though in my opinion is that the game in its current state is relatively fucking awesome.
If you were a "programmer", you would know how much of a PIA it is to debug thousands of lines of code (ALOT more for D3 actually), and how fixing one bug can break or cripple other things depending upon where and what that line of code affects. Its not always as simple as changing a variable or statement.
I am guessing that your post on D3 forums got deleted because you were doing the same thing your doing here. Just inciting a flame war because you believe you are better than everyone else, and therefore believe your opinion is fact.
Either that or your trolling.
And yes I would prefer blizzard be silent about what they are doing then make promises and not keep them, I would greatly prefer that they do this.
Also Hyperion is on all of the top listings of leader boards, again not saying he is better, but clearly game exp is obtained by seeing end game etc..
Saying "because you have seen a piece of code on the internet, your a programmer" and actually treating as truth and basing an argument off of it is ignorant, if you had any training in programming you would have been required to lean about logic and you would know that something like that is just stupid to do and illogical (maybe you have had the training and just plane forgot or you like showing off you ignorant you can be).
"You also believe because you have "more hours played" your opinion doesn't smell like crap as much as everyone elses." again presuming that you know what I think is stupid. If I did not say do not try and read into what I am saying.
"I am guessing that your post on D3 forums got deleted because you were doing the same thing your doing here. Just inciting a flame war because you believe you are better than everyone else, and therefore believe your opinion is fact"
Well keep guessing buddy cause that's about all you appear to be good at
And no as a matter of fact, the post that I made on the blizzard forums was more constructive and and left room for discussion and not at all intended to be hostile. Simply put after taking the time to bring issues up with blizzard in hopes of them or people on the forums discussing it and eventually making changes, having blizzard flat out delete my thread and ban my account pissed me of. If you had the same thing happen to you and not get irritated then good for you.
Just an FYI if you are idiot and make idiotic comments here I will treat you as such.
For those of you who are interested in a civil and constructive discussion I appreciate your comments and thoughts.
If you actually took the time to read what you quoted me saying, you would realize that I already said that my post here was not exactly what I posted on blizzards forums and that my actual thread was more constructive and left room for feed back; I quote "And no as a matter of fact, the post that I made on the blizzard forums was more constructive and and left room for discussion and not at all intended to be hostile. Simply put after taking the time to bring issues up with blizzard in hopes of them or people on the forums discussing it and eventually making changes, having blizzard flat out delete my thread and ban my account pissed me of"
So once again you are a prime example of why I am annoyed, because people have one thought on their minds and regardless of what is actually said will still say what they want.
"And when people said that maybe you should change your attitude you started to insult them." please show me this? If they want to be a rude ass first then I will, like I said before, reply in kind, but if you have something constructive to say i appreciate their thoughts. So please show me this?
"You behave like a little spoiled kid, who spent money on a product and demand everything. Wake up, they are doing their best."
Well, if you are happy with a broken product then good for you Don't tell me that you would be happy if you bought a car and every week find a new problem with it and take it into the dealer to get fixed, and every week they "Fix" it but create a new problem, if you do I'll know that you are just being a troll. Don't tell me that that is a different situation, because it is not.