There are no zones. There is only the desire of humans to crook reality into something simple, aka zones. If anything seems simple, it's wrong. Human relationships are not simple. They're are so complex they'll drive you mad. I'm pretty sure any experienced adult can tear that theory apart simply from their, well, experience.
Where did you get that from? We are all biased, and just because something SEEMS to be true, doesn't mean it is. If a theory has no backup, that theory needs to be ignored, because there are hundreds of theories like that out there, and very few of them are worth anything.
Then go read Plato and what not. There is plenty of classical, well-established philosophy out there on pretty much anything.
This ladder crap is not philosophy or science. It's speculation. And speculation is always dangerous. Even more dangerous is to accept another person's speculation rather than develop your own view. The most important thing is the establishment of a personal life philosophy. But even if you base your philosophy on another person's work, you need to understand why. You need to understand why something is true. And I don't think you do.
It's easy to just look at some nice little theory and be like, "oh, let's just believe that, it makes everything so simple!" It's like religion, the legal system, or parental views. That will work until you hit a dead end. And you don't want to hit it too late.
"The most persistent principles in the universe are accident and error." Liet-Kynes
Firstly...Simply because something is not perfect does not mean it is worthless.
For the most part this theory is applicable if applied properly and taken with a grain of salt. And to say there are no zones shows a lack of understanding of what the zones represent. Of course there are no literal or even psychologically literal zones. But females have tendencies that can be very well represented by the concept of zones. Thats why the idea of so popular, because many have actually experienced what women can tend to do.
You preach far too much. Especially about something as complicated as this. You are simply refuting a common concept simply because it is not perfect in your point of view. We are not looking for perfect, we are looking for help.
Ask ANY guy who has been in several relationships, failed relationships, failed attemps, e.t.c. if there is a friend zone. In fact, I dare you to make a poll. But I assume you think to little of their perspectives to consider their opinion.
Experience is the greatest teacher, and from my gratest teacher I have learned that a concept such as the "friend zone" should be dully noted and taken seriously because conceptually it exists.
You do realize Plato wasn't a relationship guru right? lol.....He focused much more on ethics. In fact, He and Aristotle would often argue over ethical issues and knowledge issues.
Knowledge issues for example would be how we know if something is an absolute truth or not when we only know as much as we percieve by our senses that can fail us.
Ethical issues concerned ideas such as "If everything is merely about individual perception, does that make murder ok?"
That is a bit different from the 1-800 relationship advice hot line....
In conclusing...DGK, ignore her...BEWARE the friend zone!
TO DGK ABOUT CONVERSATION
(caps to show DGK where to start reading if he wants to ignore the other stuff)
I know how you feel. A girl I was trying to get with was being IMPOSSIBLE. She knew I liked her yet every time I tried to make strong eye contact or start a conversation she would basically divert her attention. Once I stopped liking her she was easier to talk to lol..
But for that problem, I can't be of much help. you just gotta keep trying, be smart about how you start the conversation.
Remember, people usually don't want to talk about you. Even if they do, they will have a much easier time talking about them. Try and keep the conversation balanced. Make sure not to tell her about everything you did that day, ask her what she did.
I say this because the girl that was difficult to talk to never minded talking about herself. Nobody ever does. When somebody shows interest in someone that seems genuine they want to share stuff about them. And if you can start conversations like that you can lead it into other stuff.But I have always found that to be the best way to converse, especially with the one you like. Start it off talking about them so they get interested and go from there. I mean, don't be robotic about it. Showing interest is key =)
If the girl likes you, you can go with what StoneBreaker is saying, if she doesn't you have to use cunning to make her like you lol. In those cases, DONT follow your heart, because it will lead you to do something REALLY stupid usually.
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"I want to say something but I'll keep it to myself I guess and leave this useless post behind to make you aware that there WAS something... "
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
So.. DGK. When are you going to make some moves, get the old ball a rollin', the old chain a rattlin' OK I'll stop.
But serious.. I hope you get some good results...Just be yourself man.. if she doesn't dig that then it wasn't meant to be right? I am hoping to see something from both you and Num3n (with the dentist girl)
Trust me... the results will b well worth the courage that will be needed, good or bad. Go for it.
I don't know how to even start the conversation, what do I ask her. I can't be like "hey did you see this movie" because she will be like wtf why did he just ask me this. wierd we both blow each other off when we talk to each other.
Im starting to think she never liked me and I was just seeing things but then again I hear if you think someone likes you then 60% of the time your right. Im tempted to go up to her and ask her out but then there is the factor she has a boyfriend or she doesn't like me (I got in a fight and went to court so I can't afford to get in a fight with her boyfriend if she has one).
@Dub Lucifer
Yeah I really want to ask her but everytime i get near her I get nervous, its because she is so fucking mysterious. I don't know what kind of guys she likes or anything.....
Ok...I went back and read your post about your first conversation...So clearly you are capable of carrying on a conversation with her.
you have to be ready for every opportunity and take advantage of it.
Lets see....something off the top of my head.
A big biology assignment is due tomorrow.
I could start a conversation with the girl that i like by bringing up how much time that person spent on it or something.
Then from there you have to branch out the conversation.
for example if she responded to me like "I was up all night doing it" i could say something like "I would have been but (tv show) was on, i love that show" then usually they will have an opinion on it. If positive "oh you like it to? its the only show i watch, i dont watch tv that often. You?"and it goes on and on
Its so easy if you can just get the conversation started lol
If school is what you two have in common, do something like the example above. Start off talking about a test you guys just took. Then branch it off. ya know?
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"I want to say something but I'll keep it to myself I guess and leave this useless post behind to make you aware that there WAS something... "
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
dude...just ask her out...if she has a boyfriend. you can just say oh i didnt know. that should get you out of the fight zone. and with her liking you. dude. if she likes you you probably go out. if not probably not. so its basically 50-50.
Ok since we both blow each other off when we talk im going to let her start the conversation and try and start it from there.
@necronergal
This is really hard for me, 90% of the time Im dead sure the girl likes me and i ask her out and its always a yes, this time I really don't know if she likes me or not.
Look at it as a challenge lol. Can you get the girl that might not like you? If you can grab a girl outside of your comfort zone then your set!
Keep us updated on whats good.
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"I want to say something but I'll keep it to myself I guess and leave this useless post behind to make you aware that there WAS something... "
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Alright well today I found out a spot where she is alone, unfortunaly its crowded (Right after our class together near the lunch line) im afraid it moight make it akward but what ever.
And I visulaized what to do, so im going to walk from the other side and walk straight up her (I don't want to shock her by tapping on her back) and say "Hey do you want to go out some time" as confidently as possible
"I want to say something but I'll keep it to myself I guess and leave this useless post behind to make you aware that there WAS something... "
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
She likes you its obvious...go for it no harm in trying....tho shes probably young and stupid so it would be all confusing to get with her unless shes smart and easy going...or a skank LOL...either way go for it dude!!
See, your instincts are good, but don't think about it too much. Just find her alone (it doesn't matter if there are other people around, she just can't have any friends to run away to), start a tiny bit of conversation, then go for it.
I don't know if you remember my post earlier in this thread, about the girl I just met at that party who works as a model for Ford Modeling Agency, but we are going out next Thursday. I mean I thought I really screwed up, but she must have liked enough of me. And that is all that it takes for her to say yes.
Go in with confidence (not cockiness) and get the job done. Do it for Dfans, do it for men, do it for yourself.
If she said no say "Please, if you say yes I will take a dump on your chest!!"
Wait........ scratch that just be all like "You, me, dinner, movie, tonight, see you there"
just talk to her normally be like yeah im excited the weekend is coming up...so u have any plans for valentines day (this is where you will get ur answer) she says no then she might give a bs excuse and thats when u say well u wanna just watch a movie or something or she might say no nobody asked me out and tahts when u say wow thats surprising...grow some balls and make a move seriously u got this
P.S. i never told u to walk up to her and grab her ass haha but if it works tell me
In terms of being attractive I don't like to judge myself but I would say we are in the same league
Gabbzy, she is shy I can't just go up to her and grab her ass
Umpa, she is really hard to talk to and get a conversation going
Please people lets keep this realistic, I can't just go up to her and threaten to kill her family or say
"Bitch I love you"
I lol'ed.
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CyberPunk RP Nexus
Firstly...Simply because something is not perfect does not mean it is worthless.
For the most part this theory is applicable if applied properly and taken with a grain of salt. And to say there are no zones shows a lack of understanding of what the zones represent. Of course there are no literal or even psychologically literal zones. But females have tendencies that can be very well represented by the concept of zones. Thats why the idea of so popular, because many have actually experienced what women can tend to do.
You preach far too much. Especially about something as complicated as this. You are simply refuting a common concept simply because it is not perfect in your point of view. We are not looking for perfect, we are looking for help.
Ask ANY guy who has been in several relationships, failed relationships, failed attemps, e.t.c. if there is a friend zone. In fact, I dare you to make a poll. But I assume you think to little of their perspectives to consider their opinion.
Experience is the greatest teacher, and from my gratest teacher I have learned that a concept such as the "friend zone" should be dully noted and taken seriously because conceptually it exists.
You do realize Plato wasn't a relationship guru right? lol.....He focused much more on ethics. In fact, He and Aristotle would often argue over ethical issues and knowledge issues.
Knowledge issues for example would be how we know if something is an absolute truth or not when we only know as much as we percieve by our senses that can fail us.
Ethical issues concerned ideas such as "If everything is merely about individual perception, does that make murder ok?"
That is a bit different from the 1-800 relationship advice hot line....
In conclusing...DGK, ignore her...BEWARE the friend zone!
TO DGK ABOUT CONVERSATION
(caps to show DGK where to start reading if he wants to ignore the other stuff)
I know how you feel. A girl I was trying to get with was being IMPOSSIBLE. She knew I liked her yet every time I tried to make strong eye contact or start a conversation she would basically divert her attention. Once I stopped liking her she was easier to talk to lol..
But for that problem, I can't be of much help. you just gotta keep trying, be smart about how you start the conversation.
Remember, people usually don't want to talk about you. Even if they do, they will have a much easier time talking about them. Try and keep the conversation balanced. Make sure not to tell her about everything you did that day, ask her what she did.
I say this because the girl that was difficult to talk to never minded talking about herself. Nobody ever does. When somebody shows interest in someone that seems genuine they want to share stuff about them. And if you can start conversations like that you can lead it into other stuff.But I have always found that to be the best way to converse, especially with the one you like. Start it off talking about them so they get interested and go from there. I mean, don't be robotic about it. Showing interest is key =)
If the girl likes you, you can go with what StoneBreaker is saying, if she doesn't you have to use cunning to make her like you lol. In those cases, DONT follow your heart, because it will lead you to do something REALLY stupid usually.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
But serious.. I hope you get some good results...Just be yourself man.. if she doesn't dig that then it wasn't meant to be right? I am hoping to see something from both you and Num3n (with the dentist girl)
Trust me... the results will b well worth the courage that will be needed, good or bad. Go for it.
I don't know how to even start the conversation, what do I ask her. I can't be like "hey did you see this movie" because she will be like wtf why did he just ask me this. wierd we both blow each other off when we talk to each other.
Im starting to think she never liked me and I was just seeing things but then again I hear if you think someone likes you then 60% of the time your right. Im tempted to go up to her and ask her out but then there is the factor she has a boyfriend or she doesn't like me (I got in a fight and went to court so I can't afford to get in a fight with her boyfriend if she has one).
@Dub Lucifer
Yeah I really want to ask her but everytime i get near her I get nervous, its because she is so fucking mysterious. I don't know what kind of guys she likes or anything.....
@Stonebreaker
I don't know what to do now ...
you have to be ready for every opportunity and take advantage of it.
Lets see....something off the top of my head.
A big biology assignment is due tomorrow.
I could start a conversation with the girl that i like by bringing up how much time that person spent on it or something.
Then from there you have to branch out the conversation.
for example if she responded to me like "I was up all night doing it" i could say something like "I would have been but (tv show) was on, i love that show" then usually they will have an opinion on it. If positive "oh you like it to? its the only show i watch, i dont watch tv that often. You?"and it goes on and on
Its so easy if you can just get the conversation started lol
If school is what you two have in common, do something like the example above. Start off talking about a test you guys just took. Then branch it off. ya know?
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
Ok since we both blow each other off when we talk im going to let her start the conversation and try and start it from there.
@necronergal
This is really hard for me, 90% of the time Im dead sure the girl likes me and i ask her out and its always a yes, this time I really don't know if she likes me or not.
Keep us updated on whats good.
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
A: Just ask her out
EDIT: Actually grab her by the rear. The following reaction has always been a sure sign for me.
And I visulaized what to do, so im going to walk from the other side and walk straight up her (I don't want to shock her by tapping on her back) and say "Hey do you want to go out some time" as confidently as possible
Hows that sound?
now im going to have to grow some balls
-Equinox
"We're like the downtown of the Diablo related internet lol"
-Winged
I think its because I was so into her I really wanted to see those things.
Im going to ask her out none the less
Update tommorow then on monday
I don't know if you remember my post earlier in this thread, about the girl I just met at that party who works as a model for Ford Modeling Agency, but we are going out next Thursday. I mean I thought I really screwed up, but she must have liked enough of me. And that is all that it takes for her to say yes.
Go in with confidence (not cockiness) and get the job done. Do it for Dfans, do it for men, do it for yourself.
Good luck,
Archie
Wait........ scratch that just be all like "You, me, dinner, movie, tonight, see you there"
P.S. i never told u to walk up to her and grab her ass haha but if it works tell me
P.S. Gabbzy I like your P.S. LOL