I was thinking the same thing, but at the same time I am just asking for a better clarification on the description of how Imperius' looks...so hopefully he replies.
So what exactly did you ask? Because you might be able to fool him into telling you, or he may tell you whats in the book, or he may realize and not reply at all.
Ok guys I did something either smart or stupid. I wrote Knaak an e-mail to try and finally find out what he ment by upturned. Hopefully he will get back to me soon.
I hope he replies, but he may not be able to. It could reveal too much of the plot of D3 depending.
Oh, I kind of misread your initial post about this- you're saying that the Angiris Council would consider him a minion of Chaos, not that he'd actually be one in reality. I think that's what you're saying, right?
Then I'd agree with you.
Yeah that's what I meant.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/upturned this is the definition of upturned...the symbol or "sword" on that angels chest is being directed downward...not upturned.
That also depends on how you view a sword in it's natural state. Is it supposed to be hilt down while holding it, or hilt up while in the scabbard?
Nothing personal to you Daemaro, but that just doesn't look like an "upturned" sword to me. Yes, I read your thing about it being tricky wording. Even beyond that, it doesn't even resemble a sword to me, more like a cross.
In any case, think what you want Daemaro, I'm not convinced.
That's fine. Good finds on all that. But the wording still doesn't convince me completely.
I mean all the pages of replies and number of views and you're the only person to bring this up adamantly. Which is not bad, but it also leads me to believe that the majority of people have no clue what a upturned sword is. This could include Blizzard or Richard Knaak the author of the books.
The way he described it in the book he could of meant for it to be facing hilt down, but Blizzard designed it hilt up to look better.
You also can't really say it doesn't look like a sword, what do you expect a blazing sword to look like? It wouldn't have much detail. It's ablaze.
Knaak also couldn't reference a cross in the book, people would associate it with Christianity, which is not what he wants. He wants references to it, he doesn't want blatant symbolism.
If he had said Imperius had a blazing cross on his chest people could of took it multiple ways.
I was just wandering guys and please pardon my ignorance but I have unfortunately not gotten around to reading the books yet, but is the "Burning Hells" a group of some sort? or is just ment to be taken literally, as just a description of hell in that it is burning?
But he's not going in to the Burning Hells to work for them. That's why I say outcast- he's for neither side.
I think the council may consider him a agent of chaos because he potentially is creating chaos when he destroyed the worldstone and went against their rules.
I don't think he'll end up working for the burning hells though.
Well, technically, by not following the order of the Council, Tyrael become an agent of Chaos in their midst (though he's a bad guy). The council would difinitely throw him out for that...they did it to Inarius.
Kind of yeah. I assume that's somewhat how it's going to go.
Although his intentions were good he didn't follow orders or their laws.
Yeah, I agree with Daemaro. If it *is* Tyrael, he's never done anything evil- he might just get jacked up by the rest of the Angiris Council for interfering with the affairs of humans and thrown out. And I'm willing to bet he faces off with Imperius when he tries to get back in to Heaven, and that's what the concept art is.
Pretty much yep.
Imperius and Tyrael aren't exactly the best of friends as it is. Now that Tyrael has crossed the line and went against the rest of the council's wishes, they probably allowed Imperius to be the one to kick him out of Heaven.
I want to say there is ankhs in the tombs but I can't remember for sure.
Anyway the cross inside Diablo has NO meaning that's been explained. It's like a multitude of the other symbols. The rune symbols, the symbols on Tal Rasha's tombs (I don't THINK they have meaning). Plenty of the symbols in Diablo. Symbols on shields.
It's just a symbol.
It could be a cross or a sword.
Maybe they wanted to alter the way the book portrayed Imperius, the leap from a "upturned blazing sword" into a "blazing cross" isn't too far. They might of thought it just would appeal to more people.
What are you basing that on? I've seen nothing to suggest that crosses in Diablo would be purely aesthetic. The way the iconology is used would suggest it's a symbol of some import.
There is no mention of crosses in the books or earlier games except for upside down crucifixes in D1.
There is no meaning attached to them lore wise that I have read or heard.
Though I think we'd of been a lot more inclined to get an answer about 4 months ago before D3 was announced.
We'll have to see.
So what exactly did you ask? Because you might be able to fool him into telling you, or he may tell you whats in the book, or he may realize and not reply at all.
I hope he replies, but he may not be able to. It could reveal too much of the plot of D3 depending.
Knaak I believe.
I'm not too book savvy.
Yeah that's what I meant.
That also depends on how you view a sword in it's natural state. Is it supposed to be hilt down while holding it, or hilt up while in the scabbard?
It's very confusing.
That's fine. Good finds on all that. But the wording still doesn't convince me completely.
I mean all the pages of replies and number of views and you're the only person to bring this up adamantly. Which is not bad, but it also leads me to believe that the majority of people have no clue what a upturned sword is. This could include Blizzard or Richard Knaak the author of the books.
The way he described it in the book he could of meant for it to be facing hilt down, but Blizzard designed it hilt up to look better.
You also can't really say it doesn't look like a sword, what do you expect a blazing sword to look like? It wouldn't have much detail. It's ablaze.
Knaak also couldn't reference a cross in the book, people would associate it with Christianity, which is not what he wants. He wants references to it, he doesn't want blatant symbolism.
If he had said Imperius had a blazing cross on his chest people could of took it multiple ways.
It's just what Hell is referred to in Diablo.
Heaven is usually "The High Heavens"
Hell is usually "The Burning Hells"
I think the council may consider him a agent of chaos because he potentially is creating chaos when he destroyed the worldstone and went against their rules.
I don't think he'll end up working for the burning hells though.
Kind of yeah. I assume that's somewhat how it's going to go.
Although his intentions were good he didn't follow orders or their laws.
Pretty much yep.
Imperius and Tyrael aren't exactly the best of friends as it is. Now that Tyrael has crossed the line and went against the rest of the council's wishes, they probably allowed Imperius to be the one to kick him out of Heaven.
I doubt it's a demon coming from the Heavens.
Anyway the cross inside Diablo has NO meaning that's been explained. It's like a multitude of the other symbols. The rune symbols, the symbols on Tal Rasha's tombs (I don't THINK they have meaning). Plenty of the symbols in Diablo. Symbols on shields.
It's just a symbol.
It could be a cross or a sword.
Maybe they wanted to alter the way the book portrayed Imperius, the leap from a "upturned blazing sword" into a "blazing cross" isn't too far. They might of thought it just would appeal to more people.
True, but it always has a meaning attached, where as in the Diablo world it has none.
I believe the cross was a symbol for the sun in the past.
There is no mention of crosses in the books or earlier games except for upside down crucifixes in D1.
There is no meaning attached to them lore wise that I have read or heard.