I wouldn't confuse good design with hand holding. A basic principle of design is simplicity, and Diablo 3 shines in that respect. The elimination of the character sheet screen was a bit jarring, but in practice, the new home for stats is easier to use.
It think it was a bad move not to include at least one rune in the closed beta. Looking at the skills screen can make your options look pretty limited even at later levels, but I think runes will more than make up for that. The focus on a few identifiable skills is a bonus when there's a good selection of runes. But I understand that's not the goal of the closed beta.
The beta has me thoroughly impressed, despite. I find myself coming back to the same old dungeon over and over again with a few buddies.
I think he explains the "handholding" pretty well, and Diablo III does the "Mega Man! Mega Man!..." thing too often for my tastes.
I agree with your point about not including a rune. I think it would have made things more interesting to "see" what they were doing with the runes, rather than hearing them talk about "how awesome it is" and taking them at their word.
your calling everything ive said opinion when your entire post was also only your opinion? ya you sure showed me bud. im burned. lawl
You are certainly right. However, I did not put forth my opinion as fact, nor did I presume to speak for anyone else but myself. I also gave reasons for my opinions for the most part. And what did you contribute?
i cant believe i read all of that. but honestly the majority of your so called "polish" is merely your personal opinion
fact
that i dont know anyone who would really agree
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with or even care
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wither it was your way or the way it is now. people call it nitpicking because it doesnt need to be changed
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and isnt an issue
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and almost everything you said doesnt need to be changed.
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sure the hit boxes is an issue
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but town portal placement? quest pop up? level up effects? seriously?
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these wont be changed
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because one super OCD anal retentive guy
opinion and insult
wants them "his" way.
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so you should instead learn to embrace the way the game is because you cant change every minor detail and 99% of those things wont be changed before or after release
Well, after playing through the game with all 5 classes, I have written up a few things. Some of this will be rehash of what I had before, and some is new. Some is "minor nitpicks" as some people would call it, but I look at it as more of a polish that I've come to expect from Blizzard games. I know that a lot of things will be altered in the final release of the game.
Things like difficulty or balance I did not even discuss, as those things are not a concern right now. The game will be more difficult, we know that, simply through the harder difficulty modes, and balance between classes is impossible to ascertain in these beginning few levels. The only "balance" that is important right now is how quickly each class can start killing monsters more quickly than 1 at a time, which is generally pretty quickly for most classes.
I also didn't discuss the art style as that is not going to change at this juncture. I did list a couple of little things that I would like to see changed that stand out, but other than that I'm leaving that sleeping dog lying. I may not agree with the choice, but it is here to stay.
So here are my final thoughts on the Beta, improvements to be made and all that jazz:
OPENING SCREEN/PROFILE
Hopefully there will be an opening cinematic before you get to the character select screen, or right after you choose your character.
Change the character select screen to show all of the heroes, not a single one that switches with a button press (like the camp fire of DII). Remove the mini-video and current writeup to the side. If you have a write-up, make it more "lore-friendly". You could even have Cain speaking it to introduce the class.
Please remove tooltips from the opening screen (or at least an option to remove them). I know when I overlay an item I am supposed to click it. I don't need to be told to with the tool-tip as well. If you must, have the tool-tips "show up" once you hover over an item for a few seconds, rather than automatically assuming I'm an idiot.
Profile Screen - Great idea! I would like to see added stats for the individual characters, their creation date/how old they are etc. As well as monster stats, that show up the more you kill, ala Diablo 1, but with more lore and total number of each killed (including champions and elites!) The more stats the better. Someone suggested a massacre bonus record and other such things. That would be a great idea!
When I click my character, it should take me to the "Heroes" tab of the profile screen.
On the "Heroes" tab, swap the current colors that are on the small character icons, so that the background of all unselected characters are Red, and the background for the selected character is Blue.
On the "Heroes" tab, which character am I looking at? Where is the name of the characters? I would like to see the name of the character in a small Exocet Font over the small icon of the character. As well I would like the name to take prominence over top of "Level 10 Barbarian" which should have its font size reduced.
When I click a raven or a skull on the ground or some other interactive object you add to the scrren, it should take me to a "Monsters" tab of the profile screen, which would then show monsters and stats (as discussed above).
When I click the banner, it should take me to a "Banner" tab of the profile screen that allows me to customize it, not a completely separate screen that is not tied to the profile.
Put an "Achievements" tab in the profile screen, accessable by clicking something on screen as well, rather than a small icon in the bottom corner, and not in the game-play options menu.
Put the "Auction House" accessable by some on screen clickable thing as well, not a small icon in the corner.
Move the "Friends" tab onto the Profile Screen and have it accessable with a button by the chat window.
The point to the Profile screen should be to "collect" all of the other screens to one easy place, so you can click one UI element and quickly be able to look through them all. Either have every page within it tie into on screen pictures that highlight (like the Barbarian and the Banner) and you can click, or get rid of all on screen elements like that, and just have the Profile page with tabs accessible by clicking your Online Profile.
Instead of having a tool tip when you hover over your Profile name, put your name on a button like the Menu and make it click like one of those buttons.
Show your current character under your profile name like "Ragnar - Level 10 Barbarian" There is no way to see which character you have selected currently without going into the "Switch Hero" screen, or the "Heroes" tab of the Profile screen.
Make the menu on the left size smaller in size.
I would like to see options to view your character better, where you can zoom in/out or rotate around. Not "important" but one of those nice touches.
Is there no way to Create and name your own Public game? Maybe give it a password or something? Why is it I either join one at random or start a generic one of my own?
UI
Please move the icons for "Skills", "Inventory", "Quests" and "System" off the main UI bar, or move them to a toggle-able section like Diablo II with the arrow key to minimize them. I would like to see Town Portal moved off as well, maybe to inventory?
Please minimize the flashing of the inventory icon when it is up showing that you have a "new item" in the inventory. As well, reduce the tool tip for the "You have empty item slots" to only show when you pick up an item that can actually fit in an empty item slot.
Personally I prefer the old icon idea of a stone "tablet" with a silhouette carved on it for skills, as I find the current icons too "flashy"
Please let us remove the mini-map from the screen, toggleable with a hotkey button (like "Tab" for the mini-map and "M" for big map, or vice-versa). I would also like to see the "path" dimmed so it is less intrusive, as well as the background square removed so I don't have a faded square in my upper right corner.
I actually like the new map overlay that we can't move around on. In D2 I found that I always kept it on and ended up looking at it more than the actual area I was in. This is a much better change.
Please move the Quest info to the left side of the scree above or below the chat bar, and remove the word "Objectives" and replace it with an icon so that it fits with that side of the screen. Click the icon to show objectives, click again to hide them.
Please let us scale the UI parts to whatever size I wish and change positions of them. (use the Guild Wars UI setup as an example).
Please dim the character icons that are in the top left of the screen.
Please remove all "Press left click to..." tooltips. They are unnccessary and clutter the screen. Especially remove them when I choose to "disable tips" in the options menu!
Please have an option to have your current/max HP and Resource numbers on the screen, so you don't have to overlay to see them. Please remove the description of what the resource does when you hover over it, especially when "disable tips" is turned off in the menus.
Please let us scroll through skills with a mouse wheel.
Have an option in menu to show/disable numbers in the skill discriptions, so we don't have to hold "ctrl" to see them. This way if we want them, they are always on, if we don't they can toggle with "ctrl"
Please bring back the gauntlet hand of old.
Hopefully a lot of the descriptions and tips on screen are simply because it is a Beta to help people through and not representative of the final game. They are off-putting, in that they assume that I am an idiot when playing this game.
JOURNAL/QUESTS
Split the monsters you find from the story lore that you find. Through the monster stats on the page (split up by each character) So when I look at the monster lore for "Treasure Goblin" with my Barbarian, it would tell me how many that he has killed.
I would like to see it put into more of a "book" format, so you can skip through each page, rather than click on an item, then click "back" then click on the next item, then "back" and so forth.
I would like to be able to view the completed quests, what they were and what my reward was.
SHOPS/STASH
Purchasing items is awkward, as I cannot drag and drop an item to a current slot and "swap" what is in there. It drops the new item into the inventory and then I have to click it again to trade items, and then again to sell the old item. This is not at all intuitive.
When Salvaging, have the salvage icon change back to a normal icon when you move off the Salvaging tab, to prevent unwanted destruction.
The random scrolling of items when you craft an item is very annoying. Have it stay in a set order (like alphabetically for example) and leave it.
Filters for crafting would be nice, like not showing items you can't use for the current character or showing only items of said type, etc.
Hopefully the stash will be increased with the final release. Even now that they have limited it to the Beta, I'm hoping that was just a temporary thing, as I think it is still too small, even with 6 full tabs. I would like to see bags and such that the character can unlock for their inventory, and you can put full bags within the stash (stashes within stashes so to speak).
CHARACTER SHEET/INVENTORY
When overlaying the "Strength", "Dexterity" etc. stats, how about only showing the pertinant info for the class you are playing. When I am playing my Barbarian, when I overlay "Intelligence" I don't need to know that it is the primary stat for Witch Doctors and Wizards, nor do I need to know that it increases damage for them. Just little details to clean up.
When switching gear or buying gear, or anything involving moving gear, let me "grab" the item with a left click and move it around. If I drop it on another item with a left click, let me auto-grab that item to move it around to drop it where I want.
You have an Arrow for details for the follower, but the word "Details" for the player's character sheet. Please make these the same.
ITEMS
Please have less class specific items. Let me decide what is good for my character, not the game. If I want to have a Barb wielding crossbows, let me! Or wearing a wizard hat...
I love stackable potions. Great idea, as well as 1 hotkey/slot for all potions. Great change. Hopefully gems and runes will be as well.
Remove the "X" from the center of the item. Instead change the background color to Red to show that it is unusable. Same with the giant "lock" symbol. Put the symbols into the description of the items. You can use the "I cannot use this" voice and it will end up being more than enough.
When overlaying an item, Increase the font size of the name of the item, and reduce the font size and prominence of the DPS stat to the same size as the rest of the stats. It just looks tacky otherwise.
Identifying...at first I didn't like the no identify scrolls, but not I don't mind as much. It really was busywork that didn't add anything. Although, I am curious if having ID scrolls for specifically uniques and rares would be a bad thing? I know that I don't care for the cooldown timer of the current IDing of rare items. It is making me wait for no reason.
Salvaging is a great idea. I hope it will be as in depth as the Guild Wars series, or even deeper, where you can get weapon parts or components and you can customize other weapons with those parts. Sort of like more customization on top of sockets.
Where are quest items? I pick them up, but they don't show up anywhere?
GENERAL GAMEPLAY
Please remove the "Quest Complete" popup that cannot be removed until you hit "Continue". It Interrupts the flow. Simply have the "Quest Complete" sound from D2 play or something similar with a smaller quick popup that disappears on its own.
Please tone down the Levelup effects, considering that nothing really occurs with them, having such a production is a little over the top.
I would like to see the "skill unlocked" popups go away, as I don't find them necessary.
Please reduce or remove the red glow around monsters and the blue glow around objects. Right now it is too "thick" and "bright" and distracts you away from actually seeing the monster you are killing. The blue isn't as bad, but the red is really invasive.
Please remove the ripple effect when you click for movement. It is unneceesary.
When targeting monsters or things, often I will walk up to them and not hit them, or I will trot over into the middle of a pack without shooting. Or I will start using a skill (looking at you Fire Bats!) when I can't even reach the enemy or thing I'm targeting. This needs to be cleaned up.
Please remove the flashing white effect when I hit a monster. It is redundant with you actually hitting the monster and reducing its hitpoints and is unnecessary.
Make the areas larger. Getting "lost" trying to find the next area is a good thing. Promote exploration!
Make the overworld areas more random. I know they aren't at all, but it really doesn't feel right when the overland is always the same.
Make the dungeon rooms smaller, as right now it is very easy to tell what a room looks like because the random rooms are so large in shape.
Remove the Giant Lock on gates. Boy does that feel like it doesn't belong.
I do like the Teleport Stones, but I would like to see them "hidden" behind a swtich, whether that be a leaver, or a destructible object or something.
I like the Jar of Souls event and to a lesser extent the Maiden's Bones. More events like this will be great.
The gold gathering radius is nice, but it isn't as effective as a ranged character as you are generally far from the action when you kill something, thus have to run around gathering gold. Melee characters generally gather the gold quickly as the gold pops at their feet when they kill something.
Hopefully they bring back trapped objects.
SOUND
The music is very good. I would like a more static title screen music, but overall, everything in the music department is well done.
Voices need a bit of work. The Witch Doctor does not fit his voice. He "looks" like an old man, but his voice definately does not speak like one.
Please have the exclamations of characters when destroying large numbers of objects or killing large numbers of monsters happen less often and have more variety. That will get old quick.
I like the banter between character and follower (even if the Templar is a bit over the top).
There needs to be more item sounds when they drop out of bodies, or louder ones. Right now, the sound when rings drop or heavy items drop is very muted.
MONSTERS
I like the idea of monsters jumping in windows and rising from the ground, however the scripted events are too scripted! I know that wandering past that window will cause skeletons to jump through it. I know that killing that fat thing 3 worms come out and later 3 imps. I know that touching that body will cause skeletons or zombies to show up. I would like to see less predictable scriptings, like varying the numbers of monsters that show up, maybe enabling boss monsters to show up.
Maybe enabling monsters poping up in the middle of the fights (again in varying numbers) to allow you to get overwhelmed quickly if not careful. This way you never know what is going to happen plus it reinforces one of the main tenents of Diablo: randomization. Right now the groups of enemies are too small. I would often move from one group of 3-4 enemies onto the next group of 3-4 enemies...Larger "notice" areas would be good, so you can get swarmed faster, and giving more use to Horrify or Confuse, as well as things like Frost Nova and close range skills.
Please remove the glaring, glowing blue shields that the skeletons wield. I like the ability, that they can block attacks, but I would like to see less of the glowing ones. Maybe introduce them later after normal shielding ones, and the magical ones can block magic attacks (like Disintegrate and the like). That can throw a wrench into someone's plans...
The Chancellor ghost model does not fit (the chancellor or the event with the maiden's bones). It really looks out of place within the game. Of all the enemies I see in the Beta, this one does not look right. It does not look like a ghost, and more like a cartoon of a ghost.
I love the treasure goblins! They are very nice nod to older games (Golden Axe) and they are one of those things that make you rush into a room without regards to safety just to kill them. This is a good thing.
CHARACTERS/RESOURCES
Rename "Fury Spender", "Fury Generator", "Situational", "Passive Skills", "Hatred Generator", "Hatred Spender", "Spirit Generator", "Spirit Spender", "Signature", "Offensive", "Utility" All of these have very mechanical names rather than immersive names that fit with the class and the lore. Only the Witch Doctor has Skill Titles that are at least named appropriately (the "Physical Realm", "Spirit Realm", "Command" titles).
Barbarian - (Bash, Hammer of the Ancients, Battle Rage), Ruthless - Felt okay. Changed to (Cleave, Battle Rage, Leap Attack) and played a bit better. Did not like the Hammer ability, especially when using a sword. Did not like that I could not wield 2 2-Handed Swords. Did not like that I couldn't specialize in a weapon style beyond a passive skill later on. Really hated cooldowns.
Demon Hunter - (Caltrops, Bola Shot, Rapid Fire), Thrill of the Hunt - Started okay. Thought that the basic attack shot they started with hit multiple targets...It felt very odd. The skills seemed rather underwhelming, and the balance of the resources definately felt wrong. Discipline was essentially useless in the game. I would have liked to have my "attacks" on the scroll wheel to cycle through and my Discipline skills on my second mouse to use when needed, rather than on my number keys, whcih really don't work for any active style skills. As it was, holding shift to hold me still to fire, rather than not, and sometimes walking into mobs really got annoying fast.
Monk - (Fists of Thunder, Lashing Tail Kick, Mantra of Evasion), The Guardian's Path - Felt like a better melee class than the Barbarian, being able to hit multiple enemies on a third hit and such. Changed to (Crippling Wave) in place of (Fists of Thunder) later on, and it was still good. The mantras felt like shouts, and considering they lasted longer, felt far more usable.
As it was, I still felt like he was redundant. He could have been folded in with the Barbarian for a different "melee" class that allowed you to use either weapons or not and made for a stronger class overall.
Witch Doctor - Tried many different skill combos as he has a very poor selection off the start. Ended with (Firebats, Corpse Spiders, Zombie Dogs), Vermin. Had a very poor beginning, with very slow skill synergy. Having a single target blow dart and then moving up to his zombies...He really felt far to ecclectic, like a character that they didn't know what to do with. Some skills were really good, like Firebats, or the Corpse Spiders, while others felt really pointless, or overly "humerous" like Jar Jar Binks in Star Wars...I felt like he was a Necromancer that Blizzard tried to make different but couldn't figure out how.
I didn't like the Corpse Dogs compared with the older game's Summon Skeleton because they never changed in number. As well, when they got more powerful, they never changed, unlike the skeleons who ended up wearing more armor/using different weapons.
I hated the holding of a weapon with him and it increasing the power of his attacks even though he never used the weapon, not having a basic attack. It really felt wrong. I felt he should have been done as more of a ranged character with supporting skills than the more necromantic bend he was given, closer to the Amazon's bow style with different elemental attacks with blow darts as a weapon, or he could use the ceremonial dagger along with his magic based stuff.
Wizard - (Spectral Blade, Disintegrate, Diamond Skin), Power Hungry - I felt the multi-hitting Demon Hunter basic attack should have been the wizard's. Boy, was his start a very slow, crappy beginning with his Magic Missile and then the Energy Orb, and the cooldown on frost Nova. Really hated the cooldowns on the wizard, and really disliked the idea of Signature Spells. I would have rather seen a free spell tied to a wand he was holding (While holding this wand X spell costs no mana to cast, or some such thing). Again, not having the scroll wheel made me limit myself to an armor spell, a signature spell and a blammo spell. It really felt like I didn't have the freedom to choose what I wished, as using the number buttons for skills that are used repeatedly is very clumsy.
Resources - I felt the way resources were handled that they were a pointless addition to the game. There is no real reason for having a different resource for every character class. It would have made more sense to have Mana, Stamina, and if you want a new ability that would have worked, Adrenaline (using the basic idea of Fury) that increases with physical attacks and goes away after non-use, and have all of these resources available for every class. Then you can limit how they use each of them with their skills. It would have made more sense to tie everything together, and mechanically it would have been smoother.
Right now resources are very arbitrary. There is no real difference between Hatred, Fury and Spirit, nor in Discipline, Arcane Power and Mana. They are change that is introduced into the game that isn't necessary, and adds complexity without depth.
SKILLS/STATS
I like the flavour text that is on skills. It made them have a life of their own.
I would like more customization within skills. Yes I know that Runes will add some, but I would like to see other things do something to. What if you could add a rune and 3 gems? The gems could modify the skills damage or add elemental abilities, or other effects to a smaller degree than runes. How about adding something to Passive skills? They are very plain otherwise.
I would like to see more skills available to classes, and limits to what you can unlock, so there is some difference in characters.
How about you can unlock 15 or 20 skills out of 30 or 40 for each class, and that pool of skills is what you can swap between? How about adding a quest to each difficulty that will allow you 1 free "respec" that can let you swap those skills?
I hate the auto-choosing of stats. I would like more freedom in determining my character build. If I want to create a melee wizard, I want to be able to pump his strength and health to help that. If I want a bottomless pit of mana with which to use my Firebats, let me pump my mana voluntarily.
I dislike that items are my only form of stat altering, so now I have to choose between changing my stats around to make my build viable, or adding extra effects like magic find or run speed.
Not having a need or room for basic attack isn't right, especially for those off the wall builds, like melee witch doctors or wizards.
I dislike that there are no skills that support a variety of different builds, like a bow using barbarian, or a club wielding witch doctor, or a sword using demon hunter. All of them seem to only support the one class idea that they push forward.
I dislike the way the weapon determines your skill damage. It leads to wonky things like that Witch Doctor holding a glowing sword to up his Zombie attack damage...
I dislike not being able to use a mouse wheel to scroll through abilities.
I like how the follower gets locked skills. Hopefully we can rune them as well...
I would like to see more "chaining" of skills. Make synergies within the using of skills together. For example, if you use a Frost Nova and then say Arcan Orb right after, it will make the enemies shatter and explode. Tie skills together not with synergy "numbers" bonuses, but with effects that play off each other. Give me a reason to try different skill combos together!
OTHER
Offline - Well, Blizzard's statement of never wanting to play offline because online would be that much better...? Can't see it happening, especially when lag hits, or I get disconnected from the game and can't reconnect. There is nothing that Blizzard can add that would make online only be better than allowing LAN. I know why it was implemented, I just do not agree with it in any way, shape or form.
Player Limit of 4 - This doesn't bother me too much, although I think it should be 5 so that you can have one of each class in your party. Of course that would change given an expansion and new classes, but for now it would make more sense, thematically. I imagine it is largely due to the consolizing of the game, since 4 seems to be an "optimum number" in terms of these styles of games and multiplayer.
Yes, I understand it's a wall of text. At least this way it's all down in one place.
Torchlight's "cartoony" style does not bother me, nor does Deathspank for example. The difference is that those games are new games that have established themselves with that look. Torchlight 2 doesn't change the visual style from the 1st game, it enhances it. The second and third Deathspanks do the same thing. When playing Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, visually they are similar in style. God of War 1, 2, and 3 and the handhelds? Similar. Mass Effect 1 and 2? similar (and it looks as though 3 is going to be as well)
Diablo III however is setting out to be more similar in style to other games, not it's own series. This is where I have an issue. It may have the same style of mechanics, but it is not the same thing, much like Team Fortress compared with Counterstrike.
Consistency is key here, and Diablo III is not consistent with other games in its own lineup, visually. Diablo 1 and 2 were hugely different in mechanics (much like 2 and 3 are), and the games played similarly, but the reason people accepted D2 when it came out wasn't because of the mechanics. It was because visually they remained similar in character design, world design and overall thematic style. With Diablo III departing from that, it makes me worry that they are trying to cater more towards another market, and not those that followed the series in the first place. In my mind, if they wanted to create a new game with a new style and similar mechanics, they should have called it something completely different, like "Sanctuary" or something, rather than banking on the Diablo name.
This is because D3 is a WHOLE new game. All those games you listed were just sequels. Sequels using (most of them) the same engines, the very same style. D3 might as well be named New Diablo 1, because it's MEANT to be completely different.
No, it's meant to cash in on the original's name, otherwise this NEW game as you put it would have been called something new! It is a sequel, thus the number 3 after the title!
I was not around this site when D2 launched, no. But I can safely say that upon playing the D2 beta after playing D1 for many years is that they felt similar to me, despite the many mechanical changes. D3 does not retain that feeling.
There is no lvl progression, because you don't improve skills nor do you improve stats, it's all done automatically, that's why leveling is not fun anymore.
some skills increase in power/duration each level, you learn new abilities all the way up to lvl 30 and for the entire game you find different kinds and levels of runes to put in your skills to test out and to increase in power.
the ONLY thing thats changed is there are no attributes, which everyone agrees was a FAIL system. and the skill tree system was equally fail. your just blind and not thinking logically about it, you just think "oh nos no attribute allocation = auto leveling?!".
You should really stop putting words in people's mouths. The attribute system is not a failed system in my book, nor is the skill tree system. They may have been poorly implemented, but considering they *are* using an attribute based system, it means that they find it fine. They are just changing how they operate, from being controlled by the player, to being controlled automatically. The same with the skills themselves. In my mind this is a step backwards, and I don't agree with their current implementation as I do not have as much customization with the characters. I believe they need to give players something to do upon level-ups, and hope to hear some news to that effect with their rebalancing of skills and such.
Torchlight's "cartoony" style does not bother me, nor does Deathspank for example. The difference is that those games are new games that have established themselves with that look. Torchlight 2 doesn't change the visual style from the 1st game, it enhances it. The second and third Deathspanks do the same thing. When playing Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, visually they are similar in style. God of War 1, 2, and 3 and the handhelds? Similar. Mass Effect 1 and 2? similar (and it looks as though 3 is going to be as well)
Diablo III however is setting out to be more similar in style to other games, not it's own series. This is where I have an issue. It may have the same style of mechanics, but it is not the same thing, much like Team Fortress compared with Counterstrike.
Consistency is key here, and Diablo III is not consistent with other games in its own lineup, visually. Diablo 1 and 2 were hugely different in mechanics (much like 2 and 3 are), and the games played similarly, but the reason people accepted D2 when it came out wasn't because of the mechanics. It was because visually they remained similar in character design, world design and overall thematic style. With Diablo III departing from that, it makes me worry that they are trying to cater more towards another market, and not those that followed the series in the first place. In my mind, if they wanted to create a new game with a new style and similar mechanics, they should have called it something completely different, like "Sanctuary" or something, rather than banking on the Diablo name.
I think a lot of people won't buy it due to online only. I know that I am hedging myself, although I am pretty confident that there will be a hack at some point to enable it. Right now, I don't think the pluses outweigh the minuses.
most of the game is checked server side. there is no way to "hack enable" offline mode. (you obviously have no idea what hacking even is). its not part of the system where you can go into the game code and change/add some things and presto it works. you can make servers and then play offline but GL on someone doing that soon after release.
By "hacking the game" that's what I mean, creating an "offline" server and hacking the game to work with that, much like there are such things for WoW and what they tried to do with BnetD. Soon after release, probably not. I have my hopes, but I'll bet it won't take as long as you think...
I really hate the removal of the Pentagrams/christian references, as they were a big part of the earlier Diablos, and I think their removal was very hackneyed and given a poor excuse. This is a war between Heaven and Hell after all, albeit on a fictional plane...
What references were taken out, aside from less pentagrams? (And as far as I can tell, the only place they really aren't is the menu).
I was under the impression Blizzard removed all pentagrams from the game, as well as the crosses/burning crosses/crucifixions etc. from the game. I don't recall seeing any in my playthroughs, and according to their interviews, there won't be any "to make their world unique". If that is wrong, great!
I´ve also played beta and what i disliked the MOST of ALL is the following:
1: It shows your DPS instead of Damage. I know that alot of people here thinks that damage and dps is the same thing. The difference is. DPS = Damage Per SECOND. Damage: Your TOTAL damage. So seeing 15 dps makes you think...bah i want to see my damage, this sucks. Either remove "DPS" or add Damage as well or Diablo 3 will fail.
First, it does list damage right below DPS. It's just small. Second, I'm not really seeing why so many people want damage listed instead of DPS. It's easier to compare weapons, and I believe weapon speed affects casting speed, so it makes sense. The only question I have is for spells that do damage per second, is that a % of DPS or damage?
For me the DPS thing instead of damage makes it seem like they are simplifying it "too" much. It doesn't take much thought to compare two weapons damage and speed and come to your own conclusions about which is better. Plus DPS seems to be too much "metagaming" within the game. It is too much of a "gaming" specific term, if that makes sense, removing you from the "immersiveness" of the game. At the very least, I would rather it be of the same font size of all of the other stats, not taking prominence over the name of the item itself! I think it looks tacky.
Well thats the only good thing about online only. But there are a ton of problems that come with it, i doubt that onlyonline is a good decision they made.
Yes, problems do come whenever you make a decision to use "new" tech. In the end, Blizzard probably looked at the number of people who wouldn't buy it (I'm sure a very small number) vs the headache of constantly trying to fight dupes/hacks, and decided online only was a better decision. And don't tell me a lot of people won't buy it because it's online only - look at the sales of of steam games. Sure steam has an offline mode, but that thing is buggier then Bethesda games.
I think a lot of people won't buy it due to online only. I know that I am hedging myself, although I am pretty confident that there will be a hack at some point to enable it. Right now, I don't think the pluses outweigh the minuses.
actually, i do take them seriously and i'm sure i have reported about 10x as many bugs as you have. i have also offered some specific balancing issues between the classes as i have experience in the area being a part of S2 Games' hero balancing and patch server pre-testing private group. and also, i am not a "kool-aid drinker" there are many problems with this game which i will be outlining in a large and detailed post once i have completed my run through of the witch doctor, the final class that i have to play before i have experienced the ENTIRETY of the beta (that means exploring every dungeon, killing every mob, using every skill in every room, opening every box, destroying every crate, clicking on everything that can be clicked on and using every skill on every mob type in every situation). one thing i do not do is nitpick about stupid shit like this that doesn't deserve blizzard's attention and time which should be spent elsewhere on far more important matters than giving you the false sense of customization that stat allocation is. that out dated, out moded, cumbersome, and ultimately useless mechanic which adds nothing to the gameplay and should NEVER BE MENTIONED ON THIS FORUM AGAIN.
Yes, your e-peen is humongous, it is so much bigger than mine...
your logic is flawed. kind of like your argument about how if you played offline your experience would not be affected by the dupers who are allowed an avenue through the offline option to ruin the gameplay experience for the rest of us. yes, you would not be affected, but the rest of us would. this is just another example of your me-me-me instant gratification mindset that has driven you to post this lengthy "criticism" of a bunch of shit that you think is wrong but is really just your preference. like how the UI looks. that is a preference and it is one that almost nobody else shares.
Please refrain from personal attacks and putting forth your opinion as fact.
My logic is not flawed. If "I" was allowed to play offline, duping/hacking/cheating would not affect "me". That everyone playing online only means that those things will affect me now, and I have no choice about it. Have no doubt about it, those things will happen.
Yes, what I posted was criticism about what I experienced in my initial run-throughs of the Beta. They are notes that I jotted down as I was playing so that I would not forget them afterwards. That they were issues that I noticed while playing, means that they were issues! Yes, some may be small nitpicks, but the point is I want Diablo III to be as polished a game as I know it can be, thus the list of things that I would like to see altered. I know they all won't, but at least it won't be because I didn't mention them.
all in all, spare us your stupidity and just go back to playing d2. this kind of review is not constructive at all. you just keep saying how things feel "off" (i.e. they don't feel like d2, the game you obviously have played 24/7 for the past 10 years, never touching a single other game that has come out since).
And there you have one of the "Kool-Aid drinkers" I was talking about...
People can have differing opinions to your own and still be right! Wow, who'd a thunk...?
The cognitive dissonance is strong in this one... Also, you know when you make references to Kool-Aid like that you're referencing the Jonestown Massacre, right? That shit was an international tragedy - little children were forced to drink poison. Have some decency, man!
Isn't cutting and pasting "out-of-context" statements fun!
I'm kind of confused - beta atm only lets us get to 13 - but I'm seeing play videos of level 23+
That's because those videos are from people using a fake beta server (emulated). Of course this is 'illegal' and will get you banned if you're caught =D
What?! You mean the online only aspect isn't stopping cheating and hacking! I don't understand...
In the middle of the 3rd Defiled Crypt, trying to track down the Jar of Souls with my new Witch Doctor (4th playthrough now), Connection Error. And now I can't reconnect, it keeps timing out.
Why oh why did Blizzard have to put bull**** we don't need and does not enhance play in any way, shape, or form into the game structure?
I totally get where you are coming from, we'll be slaves to our internet. Still, though, the reason for online only is one of the core measures they are employing to prevent duping/cheating/general-hive-of-scum-and-villanry.
Y'know, Benjamin Franklin DID say "He who sacrifices freedom for security desires neither." Has Blizzard sacrificed too much for enhanced security?
In the middle of the 3rd Defiled Crypt, trying to track down the Jar of Souls with my new Witch Doctor (4th playthrough now), Connection Error. And now I can't reconnect, it keeps timing out.
Why oh why did Blizzard have to put bull**** we don't need and does not enhance play in any way, shape, or form into the game structure?
have you not ready anythign about why its online only? 100x less piracy/hacking/duping. and they especially need this with the RMAH so there isnt a super influx of fake goods for real money or people hacking the game and making real money. its a lawsuit waiting to happen. while the game will still eventually be hacked in some way and people will figure out small ways to dupe, it SIGNIFICANTLY reduces it. having the full game be on your computer makes it almost stupid-simple to hack and dupe.
That is not why it's online only. That may be what they say and a by-product of their actions, but it is not the reason. It's simply to make sure that every single person playing the game will try and use the auction house, which will be where they make their money. If you are playing offline, you are not using the auction house, thus Blizzard can't make any money off you.
Blizzard stated that when they were creating Bnet 2.0, they were making it so good that you would not ever want to play offline, that it would be a choice and that you would be insane to choose the offline version with all of the "bonuses" they were throwing into the online version. I guess in their mind "playing the game in the first place" is a bonus...
If I was playing offline, dupes/hacks/cheating would not be an issue, as I would not be playing online to experience them! I would also be able to play if Blizzards servers hiccuup!
wow man, OP, you need to like.. play a few other games.
Actually, I play a large variety of games, thank-you.
all in all, spare us your stupidity and just go back to playing d2. this kind of review is not constructive at all. you just keep saying how things feel "off" (i.e. they don't feel like d2, the game you obviously have played 24/7 for the past 10 years, never touching a single other game that has come out since).
And there you have one of the "Kool-Aid drinkers" I was talking about...
In the middle of the 3rd Defiled Crypt, trying to track down the Jar of Souls with my new Witch Doctor (4th playthrough now), Connection Error. And now I can't reconnect, it keeps timing out.
Why oh why did Blizzard have to put bull**** we don't need and does not enhance play in any way, shape, or form into the game structure?
"i hate this game so much i have played it through 4 times and i am literally crying my eyes out because i can't log in right now!"
Ummm...Blizzard gave me a Beta Key so that I can log in and test the game, not only for errors, but for places to improve. Thus the Beta moniker. You understand what Beta means, right? It is not a Demo, but a testing version. I will play through it with every class, so I can get an overall feel of the game. Not once did I say that I hated the game. I simply saw areas where improvement could be made. Right now it is an above average game that needs a bit of work. Sorry if that doesn't jive with your opinion, but so be it. Newsflash: People can have differing opinions to your own and still be right! Wow, who'd a thunk...?
These thoughts were my initial impressions, and there will be more to come once I have played with all of the characters under my belt. It's part of the obligation you have as a Beta Tester. I don't know how many Beta Tests you've been a part of, but it certainly seems as if you don't take them seriously...
In the middle of the 3rd Defiled Crypt, trying to track down the Jar of Souls with my new Witch Doctor (4th playthrough now), Connection Error. And now I can't reconnect, it keeps timing out.
Why oh why did Blizzard have to put bull**** we don't need and does not enhance play in any way, shape, or form into the game structure?
I´ve also played beta and what i disliked the MOST of ALL is the following:
1: It shows your DPS instead of Damage. I know that alot of people here thinks that damage and dps is the same thing. The difference is. DPS = Damage Per SECOND. Damage: Your TOTAL damage. So seeing 15 dps makes you think...bah i want to see my damage, this sucks. Either remove "DPS" or add Damage as well or Diablo 3 will fail.
I agree, the DPS stat just seems too...metagaming within the game, or something. I don't know. I would rather have you figure out through trail and error which weapon is better for your character. As well, the size of the font makes it stand out too much. If anything, make it the same size as the rest of the stats on the weapon.
Seriously? This is really nitpicking at nothing.
Nitpick to you might be a big deal to someone else. Plus a lot of "nitpicks" add up pretty quick.
I´ve also played beta and what i disliked the MOST of ALL is the following:
1: It shows your DPS instead of Damage. I know that alot of people here thinks that damage and dps is the same thing. The difference is. DPS = Damage Per SECOND. Damage: Your TOTAL damage. So seeing 15 dps makes you think...bah i want to see my damage, this sucks. Either remove "DPS" or add Damage as well or Diablo 3 will fail.
I agree, the DPS stat just seems too...metagaming within the game, or something. I don't know. I would rather have you figure out through trail and error which weapon is better for your character. As well, the size of the font makes it stand out too much. If anything, make it the same size as the rest of the stats on the weapon.
I think he explains the "handholding" pretty well, and Diablo III does the "Mega Man! Mega Man!..." thing too often for my tastes.
I agree with your point about not including a rune. I think it would have made things more interesting to "see" what they were doing with the runes, rather than hearing them talk about "how awesome it is" and taking them at their word.
http://www.diablofans.com/topic/34229-diablo-iii-beta-impressions/page__view__findpost__p__743763
You are certainly right. However, I did not put forth my opinion as fact, nor did I presume to speak for anyone else but myself. I also gave reasons for my opinions for the most part. And what did you contribute?
http://www.diablofans.com/topic/34229-diablo-iii-beta-impressions/page__view__findpost__p__743763
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Thank you for your very insightful post.
http://www.diablofans.com/topic/34229-diablo-iii-beta-impressions/page__view__findpost__p__743763
Things like difficulty or balance I did not even discuss, as those things are not a concern right now. The game will be more difficult, we know that, simply through the harder difficulty modes, and balance between classes is impossible to ascertain in these beginning few levels. The only "balance" that is important right now is how quickly each class can start killing monsters more quickly than 1 at a time, which is generally pretty quickly for most classes.
I also didn't discuss the art style as that is not going to change at this juncture. I did list a couple of little things that I would like to see changed that stand out, but other than that I'm leaving that sleeping dog lying. I may not agree with the choice, but it is here to stay.
So here are my final thoughts on the Beta, improvements to be made and all that jazz:
OPENING SCREEN/PROFILE
Hopefully there will be an opening cinematic before you get to the character select screen, or right after you choose your character.
Change the character select screen to show all of the heroes, not a single one that switches with a button press (like the camp fire of DII). Remove the mini-video and current writeup to the side. If you have a write-up, make it more "lore-friendly". You could even have Cain speaking it to introduce the class.
Please remove tooltips from the opening screen (or at least an option to remove them). I know when I overlay an item I am supposed to click it. I don't need to be told to with the tool-tip as well. If you must, have the tool-tips "show up" once you hover over an item for a few seconds, rather than automatically assuming I'm an idiot.
Profile Screen - Great idea! I would like to see added stats for the individual characters, their creation date/how old they are etc. As well as monster stats, that show up the more you kill, ala Diablo 1, but with more lore and total number of each killed (including champions and elites!) The more stats the better. Someone suggested a massacre bonus record and other such things. That would be a great idea!
When I click my character, it should take me to the "Heroes" tab of the profile screen.
On the "Heroes" tab, swap the current colors that are on the small character icons, so that the background of all unselected characters are Red, and the background for the selected character is Blue.
On the "Heroes" tab, which character am I looking at? Where is the name of the characters? I would like to see the name of the character in a small Exocet Font over the small icon of the character. As well I would like the name to take prominence over top of "Level 10 Barbarian" which should have its font size reduced.
When I click a raven or a skull on the ground or some other interactive object you add to the scrren, it should take me to a "Monsters" tab of the profile screen, which would then show monsters and stats (as discussed above).
When I click the banner, it should take me to a "Banner" tab of the profile screen that allows me to customize it, not a completely separate screen that is not tied to the profile.
Put an "Achievements" tab in the profile screen, accessable by clicking something on screen as well, rather than a small icon in the bottom corner, and not in the game-play options menu.
Put the "Auction House" accessable by some on screen clickable thing as well, not a small icon in the corner.
Move the "Friends" tab onto the Profile Screen and have it accessable with a button by the chat window.
The point to the Profile screen should be to "collect" all of the other screens to one easy place, so you can click one UI element and quickly be able to look through them all. Either have every page within it tie into on screen pictures that highlight (like the Barbarian and the Banner) and you can click, or get rid of all on screen elements like that, and just have the Profile page with tabs accessible by clicking your Online Profile.
Instead of having a tool tip when you hover over your Profile name, put your name on a button like the Menu and make it click like one of those buttons.
Show your current character under your profile name like "Ragnar - Level 10 Barbarian" There is no way to see which character you have selected currently without going into the "Switch Hero" screen, or the "Heroes" tab of the Profile screen.
Make the menu on the left size smaller in size.
I would like to see options to view your character better, where you can zoom in/out or rotate around. Not "important" but one of those nice touches.
Is there no way to Create and name your own Public game? Maybe give it a password or something? Why is it I either join one at random or start a generic one of my own?
UI
Please move the icons for "Skills", "Inventory", "Quests" and "System" off the main UI bar, or move them to a toggle-able section like Diablo II with the arrow key to minimize them. I would like to see Town Portal moved off as well, maybe to inventory?
Please minimize the flashing of the inventory icon when it is up showing that you have a "new item" in the inventory. As well, reduce the tool tip for the "You have empty item slots" to only show when you pick up an item that can actually fit in an empty item slot.
Personally I prefer the old icon idea of a stone "tablet" with a silhouette carved on it for skills, as I find the current icons too "flashy"
Please let us remove the mini-map from the screen, toggleable with a hotkey button (like "Tab" for the mini-map and "M" for big map, or vice-versa). I would also like to see the "path" dimmed so it is less intrusive, as well as the background square removed so I don't have a faded square in my upper right corner.
I actually like the new map overlay that we can't move around on. In D2 I found that I always kept it on and ended up looking at it more than the actual area I was in. This is a much better change.
Please move the Quest info to the left side of the scree above or below the chat bar, and remove the word "Objectives" and replace it with an icon so that it fits with that side of the screen. Click the icon to show objectives, click again to hide them.
Please let us scale the UI parts to whatever size I wish and change positions of them. (use the Guild Wars UI setup as an example).
Please dim the character icons that are in the top left of the screen.
Please remove all "Press left click to..." tooltips. They are unnccessary and clutter the screen. Especially remove them when I choose to "disable tips" in the options menu!
Please have an option to have your current/max HP and Resource numbers on the screen, so you don't have to overlay to see them. Please remove the description of what the resource does when you hover over it, especially when "disable tips" is turned off in the menus.
Please let us scroll through skills with a mouse wheel.
Have an option in menu to show/disable numbers in the skill discriptions, so we don't have to hold "ctrl" to see them. This way if we want them, they are always on, if we don't they can toggle with "ctrl"
Please bring back the gauntlet hand of old.
Hopefully a lot of the descriptions and tips on screen are simply because it is a Beta to help people through and not representative of the final game. They are off-putting, in that they assume that I am an idiot when playing this game.
JOURNAL/QUESTS
Split the monsters you find from the story lore that you find. Through the monster stats on the page (split up by each character) So when I look at the monster lore for "Treasure Goblin" with my Barbarian, it would tell me how many that he has killed.
I would like to see it put into more of a "book" format, so you can skip through each page, rather than click on an item, then click "back" then click on the next item, then "back" and so forth.
I would like to be able to view the completed quests, what they were and what my reward was.
SHOPS/STASH
Purchasing items is awkward, as I cannot drag and drop an item to a current slot and "swap" what is in there. It drops the new item into the inventory and then I have to click it again to trade items, and then again to sell the old item. This is not at all intuitive.
When Salvaging, have the salvage icon change back to a normal icon when you move off the Salvaging tab, to prevent unwanted destruction.
The random scrolling of items when you craft an item is very annoying. Have it stay in a set order (like alphabetically for example) and leave it.
Filters for crafting would be nice, like not showing items you can't use for the current character or showing only items of said type, etc.
Hopefully the stash will be increased with the final release. Even now that they have limited it to the Beta, I'm hoping that was just a temporary thing, as I think it is still too small, even with 6 full tabs. I would like to see bags and such that the character can unlock for their inventory, and you can put full bags within the stash (stashes within stashes so to speak).
CHARACTER SHEET/INVENTORY
When overlaying the "Strength", "Dexterity" etc. stats, how about only showing the pertinant info for the class you are playing. When I am playing my Barbarian, when I overlay "Intelligence" I don't need to know that it is the primary stat for Witch Doctors and Wizards, nor do I need to know that it increases damage for them. Just little details to clean up.
When switching gear or buying gear, or anything involving moving gear, let me "grab" the item with a left click and move it around. If I drop it on another item with a left click, let me auto-grab that item to move it around to drop it where I want.
You have an Arrow for details for the follower, but the word "Details" for the player's character sheet. Please make these the same.
ITEMS
Please have less class specific items. Let me decide what is good for my character, not the game. If I want to have a Barb wielding crossbows, let me! Or wearing a wizard hat...
I love stackable potions. Great idea, as well as 1 hotkey/slot for all potions. Great change. Hopefully gems and runes will be as well.
Remove the "X" from the center of the item. Instead change the background color to Red to show that it is unusable. Same with the giant "lock" symbol. Put the symbols into the description of the items. You can use the "I cannot use this" voice and it will end up being more than enough.
When overlaying an item, Increase the font size of the name of the item, and reduce the font size and prominence of the DPS stat to the same size as the rest of the stats. It just looks tacky otherwise.
Identifying...at first I didn't like the no identify scrolls, but not I don't mind as much. It really was busywork that didn't add anything. Although, I am curious if having ID scrolls for specifically uniques and rares would be a bad thing? I know that I don't care for the cooldown timer of the current IDing of rare items. It is making me wait for no reason.
Salvaging is a great idea. I hope it will be as in depth as the Guild Wars series, or even deeper, where you can get weapon parts or components and you can customize other weapons with those parts. Sort of like more customization on top of sockets.
Where are quest items? I pick them up, but they don't show up anywhere?
GENERAL GAMEPLAY
Please remove the "Quest Complete" popup that cannot be removed until you hit "Continue". It Interrupts the flow. Simply have the "Quest Complete" sound from D2 play or something similar with a smaller quick popup that disappears on its own.
Please tone down the Levelup effects, considering that nothing really occurs with them, having such a production is a little over the top.
I would like to see the "skill unlocked" popups go away, as I don't find them necessary.
Please reduce or remove the red glow around monsters and the blue glow around objects. Right now it is too "thick" and "bright" and distracts you away from actually seeing the monster you are killing. The blue isn't as bad, but the red is really invasive.
Please remove the ripple effect when you click for movement. It is unneceesary.
When targeting monsters or things, often I will walk up to them and not hit them, or I will trot over into the middle of a pack without shooting. Or I will start using a skill (looking at you Fire Bats!) when I can't even reach the enemy or thing I'm targeting. This needs to be cleaned up.
Please remove the flashing white effect when I hit a monster. It is redundant with you actually hitting the monster and reducing its hitpoints and is unnecessary.
Make the areas larger. Getting "lost" trying to find the next area is a good thing. Promote exploration!
Make the overworld areas more random. I know they aren't at all, but it really doesn't feel right when the overland is always the same.
Make the dungeon rooms smaller, as right now it is very easy to tell what a room looks like because the random rooms are so large in shape.
Remove the Giant Lock on gates. Boy does that feel like it doesn't belong.
I do like the Teleport Stones, but I would like to see them "hidden" behind a swtich, whether that be a leaver, or a destructible object or something.
I like the Jar of Souls event and to a lesser extent the Maiden's Bones. More events like this will be great.
The gold gathering radius is nice, but it isn't as effective as a ranged character as you are generally far from the action when you kill something, thus have to run around gathering gold. Melee characters generally gather the gold quickly as the gold pops at their feet when they kill something.
Hopefully they bring back trapped objects.
SOUND
The music is very good. I would like a more static title screen music, but overall, everything in the music department is well done.
Voices need a bit of work. The Witch Doctor does not fit his voice. He "looks" like an old man, but his voice definately does not speak like one.
Please have the exclamations of characters when destroying large numbers of objects or killing large numbers of monsters happen less often and have more variety. That will get old quick.
I like the banter between character and follower (even if the Templar is a bit over the top).
There needs to be more item sounds when they drop out of bodies, or louder ones. Right now, the sound when rings drop or heavy items drop is very muted.
MONSTERS
I like the idea of monsters jumping in windows and rising from the ground, however the scripted events are too scripted! I know that wandering past that window will cause skeletons to jump through it. I know that killing that fat thing 3 worms come out and later 3 imps. I know that touching that body will cause skeletons or zombies to show up. I would like to see less predictable scriptings, like varying the numbers of monsters that show up, maybe enabling boss monsters to show up.
Maybe enabling monsters poping up in the middle of the fights (again in varying numbers) to allow you to get overwhelmed quickly if not careful. This way you never know what is going to happen plus it reinforces one of the main tenents of Diablo: randomization. Right now the groups of enemies are too small. I would often move from one group of 3-4 enemies onto the next group of 3-4 enemies...Larger "notice" areas would be good, so you can get swarmed faster, and giving more use to Horrify or Confuse, as well as things like Frost Nova and close range skills.
Please remove the glaring, glowing blue shields that the skeletons wield. I like the ability, that they can block attacks, but I would like to see less of the glowing ones. Maybe introduce them later after normal shielding ones, and the magical ones can block magic attacks (like Disintegrate and the like). That can throw a wrench into someone's plans...
The Chancellor ghost model does not fit (the chancellor or the event with the maiden's bones). It really looks out of place within the game. Of all the enemies I see in the Beta, this one does not look right. It does not look like a ghost, and more like a cartoon of a ghost.
I love the treasure goblins! They are very nice nod to older games (Golden Axe) and they are one of those things that make you rush into a room without regards to safety just to kill them. This is a good thing.
CHARACTERS/RESOURCES
Rename "Fury Spender", "Fury Generator", "Situational", "Passive Skills", "Hatred Generator", "Hatred Spender", "Spirit Generator", "Spirit Spender", "Signature", "Offensive", "Utility" All of these have very mechanical names rather than immersive names that fit with the class and the lore. Only the Witch Doctor has Skill Titles that are at least named appropriately (the "Physical Realm", "Spirit Realm", "Command" titles).
Barbarian - (Bash, Hammer of the Ancients, Battle Rage), Ruthless - Felt okay. Changed to (Cleave, Battle Rage, Leap Attack) and played a bit better. Did not like the Hammer ability, especially when using a sword. Did not like that I could not wield 2 2-Handed Swords. Did not like that I couldn't specialize in a weapon style beyond a passive skill later on. Really hated cooldowns.
Demon Hunter - (Caltrops, Bola Shot, Rapid Fire), Thrill of the Hunt - Started okay. Thought that the basic attack shot they started with hit multiple targets...It felt very odd. The skills seemed rather underwhelming, and the balance of the resources definately felt wrong. Discipline was essentially useless in the game. I would have liked to have my "attacks" on the scroll wheel to cycle through and my Discipline skills on my second mouse to use when needed, rather than on my number keys, whcih really don't work for any active style skills. As it was, holding shift to hold me still to fire, rather than not, and sometimes walking into mobs really got annoying fast.
Monk - (Fists of Thunder, Lashing Tail Kick, Mantra of Evasion), The Guardian's Path - Felt like a better melee class than the Barbarian, being able to hit multiple enemies on a third hit and such. Changed to (Crippling Wave) in place of (Fists of Thunder) later on, and it was still good. The mantras felt like shouts, and considering they lasted longer, felt far more usable.
As it was, I still felt like he was redundant. He could have been folded in with the Barbarian for a different "melee" class that allowed you to use either weapons or not and made for a stronger class overall.
Witch Doctor - Tried many different skill combos as he has a very poor selection off the start. Ended with (Firebats, Corpse Spiders, Zombie Dogs), Vermin. Had a very poor beginning, with very slow skill synergy. Having a single target blow dart and then moving up to his zombies...He really felt far to ecclectic, like a character that they didn't know what to do with. Some skills were really good, like Firebats, or the Corpse Spiders, while others felt really pointless, or overly "humerous" like Jar Jar Binks in Star Wars...I felt like he was a Necromancer that Blizzard tried to make different but couldn't figure out how.
I didn't like the Corpse Dogs compared with the older game's Summon Skeleton because they never changed in number. As well, when they got more powerful, they never changed, unlike the skeleons who ended up wearing more armor/using different weapons.
I hated the holding of a weapon with him and it increasing the power of his attacks even though he never used the weapon, not having a basic attack. It really felt wrong. I felt he should have been done as more of a ranged character with supporting skills than the more necromantic bend he was given, closer to the Amazon's bow style with different elemental attacks with blow darts as a weapon, or he could use the ceremonial dagger along with his magic based stuff.
Wizard - (Spectral Blade, Disintegrate, Diamond Skin), Power Hungry - I felt the multi-hitting Demon Hunter basic attack should have been the wizard's. Boy, was his start a very slow, crappy beginning with his Magic Missile and then the Energy Orb, and the cooldown on frost Nova. Really hated the cooldowns on the wizard, and really disliked the idea of Signature Spells. I would have rather seen a free spell tied to a wand he was holding (While holding this wand X spell costs no mana to cast, or some such thing). Again, not having the scroll wheel made me limit myself to an armor spell, a signature spell and a blammo spell. It really felt like I didn't have the freedom to choose what I wished, as using the number buttons for skills that are used repeatedly is very clumsy.
Resources - I felt the way resources were handled that they were a pointless addition to the game. There is no real reason for having a different resource for every character class. It would have made more sense to have Mana, Stamina, and if you want a new ability that would have worked, Adrenaline (using the basic idea of Fury) that increases with physical attacks and goes away after non-use, and have all of these resources available for every class. Then you can limit how they use each of them with their skills. It would have made more sense to tie everything together, and mechanically it would have been smoother.
Right now resources are very arbitrary. There is no real difference between Hatred, Fury and Spirit, nor in Discipline, Arcane Power and Mana. They are change that is introduced into the game that isn't necessary, and adds complexity without depth.
SKILLS/STATS
I like the flavour text that is on skills. It made them have a life of their own.
I would like more customization within skills. Yes I know that Runes will add some, but I would like to see other things do something to. What if you could add a rune and 3 gems? The gems could modify the skills damage or add elemental abilities, or other effects to a smaller degree than runes. How about adding something to Passive skills? They are very plain otherwise.
I would like to see more skills available to classes, and limits to what you can unlock, so there is some difference in characters.
How about you can unlock 15 or 20 skills out of 30 or 40 for each class, and that pool of skills is what you can swap between? How about adding a quest to each difficulty that will allow you 1 free "respec" that can let you swap those skills?
I hate the auto-choosing of stats. I would like more freedom in determining my character build. If I want to create a melee wizard, I want to be able to pump his strength and health to help that. If I want a bottomless pit of mana with which to use my Firebats, let me pump my mana voluntarily.
I dislike that items are my only form of stat altering, so now I have to choose between changing my stats around to make my build viable, or adding extra effects like magic find or run speed.
Not having a need or room for basic attack isn't right, especially for those off the wall builds, like melee witch doctors or wizards.
I dislike that there are no skills that support a variety of different builds, like a bow using barbarian, or a club wielding witch doctor, or a sword using demon hunter. All of them seem to only support the one class idea that they push forward.
I dislike the way the weapon determines your skill damage. It leads to wonky things like that Witch Doctor holding a glowing sword to up his Zombie attack damage...
I dislike not being able to use a mouse wheel to scroll through abilities.
I like how the follower gets locked skills. Hopefully we can rune them as well...
I would like to see more "chaining" of skills. Make synergies within the using of skills together. For example, if you use a Frost Nova and then say Arcan Orb right after, it will make the enemies shatter and explode. Tie skills together not with synergy "numbers" bonuses, but with effects that play off each other. Give me a reason to try different skill combos together!
OTHER
Offline - Well, Blizzard's statement of never wanting to play offline because online would be that much better...? Can't see it happening, especially when lag hits, or I get disconnected from the game and can't reconnect. There is nothing that Blizzard can add that would make online only be better than allowing LAN. I know why it was implemented, I just do not agree with it in any way, shape or form.
Player Limit of 4 - This doesn't bother me too much, although I think it should be 5 so that you can have one of each class in your party. Of course that would change given an expansion and new classes, but for now it would make more sense, thematically. I imagine it is largely due to the consolizing of the game, since 4 seems to be an "optimum number" in terms of these styles of games and multiplayer.
Yes, I understand it's a wall of text. At least this way it's all down in one place.
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No, it's meant to cash in on the original's name, otherwise this NEW game as you put it would have been called something new! It is a sequel, thus the number 3 after the title!
I was not around this site when D2 launched, no. But I can safely say that upon playing the D2 beta after playing D1 for many years is that they felt similar to me, despite the many mechanical changes. D3 does not retain that feeling.
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You should really stop putting words in people's mouths. The attribute system is not a failed system in my book, nor is the skill tree system. They may have been poorly implemented, but considering they *are* using an attribute based system, it means that they find it fine. They are just changing how they operate, from being controlled by the player, to being controlled automatically. The same with the skills themselves. In my mind this is a step backwards, and I don't agree with their current implementation as I do not have as much customization with the characters. I believe they need to give players something to do upon level-ups, and hope to hear some news to that effect with their rebalancing of skills and such.
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Diablo III however is setting out to be more similar in style to other games, not it's own series. This is where I have an issue. It may have the same style of mechanics, but it is not the same thing, much like Team Fortress compared with Counterstrike.
Consistency is key here, and Diablo III is not consistent with other games in its own lineup, visually. Diablo 1 and 2 were hugely different in mechanics (much like 2 and 3 are), and the games played similarly, but the reason people accepted D2 when it came out wasn't because of the mechanics. It was because visually they remained similar in character design, world design and overall thematic style. With Diablo III departing from that, it makes me worry that they are trying to cater more towards another market, and not those that followed the series in the first place. In my mind, if they wanted to create a new game with a new style and similar mechanics, they should have called it something completely different, like "Sanctuary" or something, rather than banking on the Diablo name.
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By "hacking the game" that's what I mean, creating an "offline" server and hacking the game to work with that, much like there are such things for WoW and what they tried to do with BnetD. Soon after release, probably not. I have my hopes, but I'll bet it won't take as long as you think...
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I was under the impression Blizzard removed all pentagrams from the game, as well as the crosses/burning crosses/crucifixions etc. from the game. I don't recall seeing any in my playthroughs, and according to their interviews, there won't be any "to make their world unique". If that is wrong, great!
For me the DPS thing instead of damage makes it seem like they are simplifying it "too" much. It doesn't take much thought to compare two weapons damage and speed and come to your own conclusions about which is better. Plus DPS seems to be too much "metagaming" within the game. It is too much of a "gaming" specific term, if that makes sense, removing you from the "immersiveness" of the game. At the very least, I would rather it be of the same font size of all of the other stats, not taking prominence over the name of the item itself! I think it looks tacky.
I think a lot of people won't buy it due to online only. I know that I am hedging myself, although I am pretty confident that there will be a hack at some point to enable it. Right now, I don't think the pluses outweigh the minuses.
? It's like you froze mid-thought...
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Yes, your e-peen is humongous, it is so much bigger than mine...
Please refrain from personal attacks and putting forth your opinion as fact.
My logic is not flawed. If "I" was allowed to play offline, duping/hacking/cheating would not affect "me". That everyone playing online only means that those things will affect me now, and I have no choice about it. Have no doubt about it, those things will happen.
Yes, what I posted was criticism about what I experienced in my initial run-throughs of the Beta. They are notes that I jotted down as I was playing so that I would not forget them afterwards. That they were issues that I noticed while playing, means that they were issues! Yes, some may be small nitpicks, but the point is I want Diablo III to be as polished a game as I know it can be, thus the list of things that I would like to see altered. I know they all won't, but at least it won't be because I didn't mention them.
You may think of them as nitpicks, I see them as polish.
Isn't cutting and pasting "out-of-context" statements fun!
What?! You mean the online only aspect isn't stopping cheating and hacking! I don't understand...
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Damn straight they have.
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That is not why it's online only. That may be what they say and a by-product of their actions, but it is not the reason. It's simply to make sure that every single person playing the game will try and use the auction house, which will be where they make their money. If you are playing offline, you are not using the auction house, thus Blizzard can't make any money off you.
Blizzard stated that when they were creating Bnet 2.0, they were making it so good that you would not ever want to play offline, that it would be a choice and that you would be insane to choose the offline version with all of the "bonuses" they were throwing into the online version. I guess in their mind "playing the game in the first place" is a bonus...
If I was playing offline, dupes/hacks/cheating would not be an issue, as I would not be playing online to experience them! I would also be able to play if Blizzards servers hiccuup!
Actually, I play a large variety of games, thank-you.
And there you have one of the "Kool-Aid drinkers" I was talking about...
Ummm...Blizzard gave me a Beta Key so that I can log in and test the game, not only for errors, but for places to improve. Thus the Beta moniker. You understand what Beta means, right? It is not a Demo, but a testing version. I will play through it with every class, so I can get an overall feel of the game. Not once did I say that I hated the game. I simply saw areas where improvement could be made. Right now it is an above average game that needs a bit of work. Sorry if that doesn't jive with your opinion, but so be it. Newsflash: People can have differing opinions to your own and still be right! Wow, who'd a thunk...?
These thoughts were my initial impressions, and there will be more to come once I have played with all of the characters under my belt. It's part of the obligation you have as a Beta Tester. I don't know how many Beta Tests you've been a part of, but it certainly seems as if you don't take them seriously...
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In the middle of the 3rd Defiled Crypt, trying to track down the Jar of Souls with my new Witch Doctor (4th playthrough now), Connection Error. And now I can't reconnect, it keeps timing out.
Why oh why did Blizzard have to put bull**** we don't need and does not enhance play in any way, shape, or form into the game structure?
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Nitpick to you might be a big deal to someone else. Plus a lot of "nitpicks" add up pretty quick.
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I agree, the DPS stat just seems too...metagaming within the game, or something. I don't know. I would rather have you figure out through trail and error which weapon is better for your character. As well, the size of the font makes it stand out too much. If anything, make it the same size as the rest of the stats on the weapon.
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