They offer so much because they know it will be forgotten once Diablo III is out. Let's face it, Torchlight is a cheap knockoff.
True about Torchlight, but possibly not about TL2, which has had almost three times the development time by now. If they were going for cheap first-day sales, they would have rushed it and beaten DIII by months. Obviously, they would rather polish and don't care about going head-to-head.
torchlight 2 looks like shit. people say diablo is cartoonish? my god.
actually, i do take them seriously and i'm sure i have reported about 10x as many bugs as you have. i have also offered some specific balancing issues between the classes as i have experience in the area being a part of S2 Games' hero balancing and patch server pre-testing private group. and also, i am not a "kool-aid drinker" there are many problems with this game which i will be outlining in a large and detailed post once i have completed my run through of the witch doctor, the final class that i have to play before i have experienced the ENTIRETY of the beta (that means exploring every dungeon, killing every mob, using every skill in every room, opening every box, destroying every crate, clicking on everything that can be clicked on and using every skill on every mob type in every situation). one thing i do not do is nitpick about stupid shit like this that doesn't deserve blizzard's attention and time which should be spent elsewhere on far more important matters than giving you the false sense of customization that stat allocation is. that out dated, out moded, cumbersome, and ultimately useless mechanic which adds nothing to the gameplay and should NEVER BE MENTIONED ON THIS FORUM AGAIN.
Yes, your e-peen is humongous, it is so much bigger than mine...
your logic is flawed. kind of like your argument about how if you played offline your experience would not be affected by the dupers who are allowed an avenue through the offline option to ruin the gameplay experience for the rest of us. yes, you would not be affected, but the rest of us would. this is just another example of your me-me-me instant gratification mindset that has driven you to post this lengthy "criticism" of a bunch of shit that you think is wrong but is really just your preference. like how the UI looks. that is a preference and it is one that almost nobody else shares.
Please refrain from personal attacks and putting forth your opinion as fact.
My logic is not flawed. If "I" was allowed to play offline, duping/hacking/cheating would not affect "me". That everyone playing online only means that those things will affect me now, and I have no choice about it. Have no doubt about it, those things will happen.
Yes, what I posted was criticism about what I experienced in my initial run-throughs of the Beta. They are notes that I jotted down as I was playing so that I would not forget them afterwards. That they were issues that I noticed while playing, means that they were issues! Yes, some may be small nitpicks, but the point is I want Diablo III to be as polished a game as I know it can be, thus the list of things that I would like to see altered. I know they all won't, but at least it won't be because I didn't mention them.
What?! You mean the online only aspect isn't stopping cheating and hacking! I don't understand...
1. you told me i don't take beta testing seriously - i proved you wrong. then you made some dumb comment about "e-peen" which made no sense. i'll take that as you concede the point.
2. what are you a moderator? i didn't put my opinion forth as fact. i stated it is preference, and very few other people share your preference. i have talked to hundreds of people who have beta and not a single one has complained about the UI.
3. how is some guy setting up an emulated server "cheating"? it doesn't even affect b.net servers. it is completely outside of the game and if you had done any research at all you would find that those emulated servers are crap. the monsters don't move, half the game doesn't work. all you can do is run around in it and swing your weapon at monsters (they don't even take damage or register the hit). yeah that's really cheating.
all in all, almost everything you post is complete nonsense. this is not a personal attack, it's the truth. let me draw your attention to a few phrases you use time an time again throughout your "criticism" while describing things you claim to be "issues"
"seems a little... off putting"
"feels wrong"
"seems a little... generic"
these phrases are ambiguous nonsense. they have no place in a legitimate beta impressions post. you don't even describe what you mean by them, or give any constructive feedback about whatever you think is "generic" or "wrong feeling" or "off putting". it means absolutely nothing to the reader. you've essentially wasted boat loads of my time and your own in this thread and i am happy to say that i will not be returning to this nonsense again.
your logic is flawed. kind of like your argument about how if you played offline your experience would not be affected by the dupers who are allowed an avenue through the offline option to ruin the gameplay experience for the rest of us.
I see that myth is still running rampant. Good grief...
having created several hacks/bots for d2 as a pet project myself, i can assure you that the offline part of the game helped me immensely during development.
In the middle of the 3rd Defiled Crypt, trying to track down the Jar of Souls with my new Witch Doctor (4th playthrough now), Connection Error. And now I can't reconnect, it keeps timing out.
Why oh why did Blizzard have to put bull**** we don't need and does not enhance play in any way, shape, or form into the game structure?
have you not ready anythign about why its online only? 100x less piracy/hacking/duping. and they especially need this with the RMAH so there isnt a super influx of fake goods for real money or people hacking the game and making real money. its a lawsuit waiting to happen. while the game will still eventually be hacked in some way and people will figure out small ways to dupe, it SIGNIFICANTLY reduces it. having the full game be on your computer makes it almost stupid-simple to hack and dupe.
That is not why it's online only. That may be what they say and a by-product of their actions, but it is not the reason. It's simply to make sure that every single person playing the game will try and use the auction house, which will be where they make their money. If you are playing offline, you are not using the auction house, thus Blizzard can't make any money off you.
Blizzard stated that when they were creating Bnet 2.0, they were making it so good that you would not ever want to play offline, that it would be a choice and that you would be insane to choose the offline version with all of the "bonuses" they were throwing into the online version. I guess in their mind "playing the game in the first place" is a bonus...
If I was playing offline, dupes/hacks/cheating would not be an issue, as I would not be playing online to experience them! I would also be able to play if Blizzards servers hiccuup!
wow man, OP, you need to like.. play a few other games.
Actually, I play a large variety of games, thank-you.
all in all, spare us your stupidity and just go back to playing d2. this kind of review is not constructive at all. you just keep saying how things feel "off" (i.e. they don't feel like d2, the game you obviously have played 24/7 for the past 10 years, never touching a single other game that has come out since).
And there you have one of the "Kool-Aid drinkers" I was talking about...
In the middle of the 3rd Defiled Crypt, trying to track down the Jar of Souls with my new Witch Doctor (4th playthrough now), Connection Error. And now I can't reconnect, it keeps timing out.
Why oh why did Blizzard have to put bull**** we don't need and does not enhance play in any way, shape, or form into the game structure?
"i hate this game so much i have played it through 4 times and i am literally crying my eyes out because i can't log in right now!"
Ummm...Blizzard gave me a Beta Key so that I can log in and test the game, not only for errors, but for places to improve. Thus the Beta moniker. You understand what Beta means, right? It is not a Demo, but a testing version. I will play through it with every class, so I can get an overall feel of the game. Not once did I say that I hated the game. I simply saw areas where improvement could be made. Right now it is an above average game that needs a bit of work. Sorry if that doesn't jive with your opinion, but so be it. Newsflash: People can have differing opinions to your own and still be right! Wow, who'd a thunk...?
These thoughts were my initial impressions, and there will be more to come once I have played with all of the characters under my belt. It's part of the obligation you have as a Beta Tester. I don't know how many Beta Tests you've been a part of, but it certainly seems as if you don't take them seriously...
actually, i do take them seriously and i'm sure i have reported about 10x as many bugs as you have. i have also offered some specific balancing issues between the classes as i have experience in the area being a part of S2 Games' hero balancing and patch server pre-testing private group. and also, i am not a "kool-aid drinker" there are many problems with this game which i will be outlining in a large and detailed post once i have completed my run through of the witch doctor, the final class that i have to play before i have experienced the ENTIRETY of the beta (that means exploring every dungeon, killing every mob, using every skill in every room, opening every box, destroying every crate, clicking on everything that can be clicked on and using every skill on every mob type in every situation). one thing i do not do is nitpick about stupid shit like this that doesn't deserve blizzard's attention and time which should be spent elsewhere on far more important matters than giving you the false sense of customization that stat allocation is. that out dated, out moded, cumbersome, and ultimately useless mechanic which adds nothing to the gameplay and should NEVER BE MENTIONED ON THIS FORUM AGAIN.
your logic is flawed. kind of like your argument about how if you played offline your experience would not be affected by the dupers who are allowed an avenue through the offline option to ruin the gameplay experience for the rest of us. yes, you would not be affected, but the rest of us would. this is just another example of your me-me-me instant gratification mindset that has driven you to post this lengthy "criticism" of a bunch of shit that you think is wrong but is really just your preference. like how the UI looks. that is a preference and it is one that almost nobody else shares.
In the middle of the 3rd Defiled Crypt, trying to track down the Jar of Souls with my new Witch Doctor (4th playthrough now), Connection Error. And now I can't reconnect, it keeps timing out.
Why oh why did Blizzard have to put bull**** we don't need and does not enhance play in any way, shape, or form into the game structure?
"i hate this game so much i have played it through 4 times and i am literally crying my eyes out because i can't log in right now!"
wow man, OP, you need to like.. play a few other games.
reading your post, it seems like you haven't played anything other than diablo 2 in the last 10 years. complaining about the UI? have you played other games like SWTOR, League of Legends, literally any other game? d3's UI is leagues ahead of everything. you are nitpicking every little thing you can about the game that 99% of sane people don't give a flying fuck about. you say that the front page post asks for your beta impressions. that's true, they asked for your impressions about gameplay, not about how the X on items in your inventory that aren't for you class is too big. seriously, wtf?
you say things seem "generic". generic compared to what? i've played through the game as every class and not only is every ability unique and useful in its own way, they also synergize fantastically with other abilities. walking into a group of mobs with the wizard and frost novaing then doing the leaping stomp ability is incredibly satisfying. what do you expect from the first 13 levels? the things you are complaining about... i don't even know what to say.
let me point out just one more nonsensical comment you made. the level-ups are boring one. you gain a new skill, and that's it, Q Q Q no stat allocation Q Q Q. so, you don't feel any different slaying monsters after getting a new skill that you are now using to kill the monsters.. new skill.. that you didn't have before level up.. doesn't feel different? what?
all in all, spare us your stupidity and just go back to playing d2. this kind of review is not constructive at all. you just keep saying how things feel "off" (i.e. they don't feel like d2, the game you obviously have played 24/7 for the past 10 years, never touching a single other game that has come out since).
torchlight 2 looks like shit. people say diablo is cartoonish? my god.
1. you told me i don't take beta testing seriously - i proved you wrong. then you made some dumb comment about "e-peen" which made no sense. i'll take that as you concede the point.
2. what are you a moderator? i didn't put my opinion forth as fact. i stated it is preference, and very few other people share your preference. i have talked to hundreds of people who have beta and not a single one has complained about the UI.
3. how is some guy setting up an emulated server "cheating"? it doesn't even affect b.net servers. it is completely outside of the game and if you had done any research at all you would find that those emulated servers are crap. the monsters don't move, half the game doesn't work. all you can do is run around in it and swing your weapon at monsters (they don't even take damage or register the hit). yeah that's really cheating.
all in all, almost everything you post is complete nonsense. this is not a personal attack, it's the truth. let me draw your attention to a few phrases you use time an time again throughout your "criticism" while describing things you claim to be "issues"
"seems a little... off putting"
"feels wrong"
"seems a little... generic"
these phrases are ambiguous nonsense. they have no place in a legitimate beta impressions post. you don't even describe what you mean by them, or give any constructive feedback about whatever you think is "generic" or "wrong feeling" or "off putting". it means absolutely nothing to the reader. you've essentially wasted boat loads of my time and your own in this thread and i am happy to say that i will not be returning to this nonsense again.
having created several hacks/bots for d2 as a pet project myself, i can assure you that the offline part of the game helped me immensely during development.
actually, i do take them seriously and i'm sure i have reported about 10x as many bugs as you have. i have also offered some specific balancing issues between the classes as i have experience in the area being a part of S2 Games' hero balancing and patch server pre-testing private group. and also, i am not a "kool-aid drinker" there are many problems with this game which i will be outlining in a large and detailed post once i have completed my run through of the witch doctor, the final class that i have to play before i have experienced the ENTIRETY of the beta (that means exploring every dungeon, killing every mob, using every skill in every room, opening every box, destroying every crate, clicking on everything that can be clicked on and using every skill on every mob type in every situation). one thing i do not do is nitpick about stupid shit like this that doesn't deserve blizzard's attention and time which should be spent elsewhere on far more important matters than giving you the false sense of customization that stat allocation is. that out dated, out moded, cumbersome, and ultimately useless mechanic which adds nothing to the gameplay and should NEVER BE MENTIONED ON THIS FORUM AGAIN.
your logic is flawed. kind of like your argument about how if you played offline your experience would not be affected by the dupers who are allowed an avenue through the offline option to ruin the gameplay experience for the rest of us. yes, you would not be affected, but the rest of us would. this is just another example of your me-me-me instant gratification mindset that has driven you to post this lengthy "criticism" of a bunch of shit that you think is wrong but is really just your preference. like how the UI looks. that is a preference and it is one that almost nobody else shares.
"i hate this game so much i have played it through 4 times and i am literally crying my eyes out because i can't log in right now!"
reading your post, it seems like you haven't played anything other than diablo 2 in the last 10 years. complaining about the UI? have you played other games like SWTOR, League of Legends, literally any other game? d3's UI is leagues ahead of everything. you are nitpicking every little thing you can about the game that 99% of sane people don't give a flying fuck about. you say that the front page post asks for your beta impressions. that's true, they asked for your impressions about gameplay, not about how the X on items in your inventory that aren't for you class is too big. seriously, wtf?
you want to see a bad UI? check this out:
http://pixelatedgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/league-of-legends-old-ui.jpg
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE PLAY AND LOVE THAT GAME.
you say things seem "generic". generic compared to what? i've played through the game as every class and not only is every ability unique and useful in its own way, they also synergize fantastically with other abilities. walking into a group of mobs with the wizard and frost novaing then doing the leaping stomp ability is incredibly satisfying. what do you expect from the first 13 levels? the things you are complaining about... i don't even know what to say.
let me point out just one more nonsensical comment you made. the level-ups are boring one. you gain a new skill, and that's it, Q Q Q no stat allocation Q Q Q. so, you don't feel any different slaying monsters after getting a new skill that you are now using to kill the monsters.. new skill.. that you didn't have before level up.. doesn't feel different? what?
all in all, spare us your stupidity and just go back to playing d2. this kind of review is not constructive at all. you just keep saying how things feel "off" (i.e. they don't feel like d2, the game you obviously have played 24/7 for the past 10 years, never touching a single other game that has come out since).