as paradox as it now is, i even would have welcomed some mobile diablo action from netease probably without any afterthought if blizzard would've shown d4 before / after. really strange when you look at it now.
exactly. i enjoy a few mobile games regularly in intervals of about four hours for a few minutes. but nothing beats climbing on the gaming throne and firing up the gaming rig.
if the whole market was mobile and blizzard would defiantly stand against it with diablo - okay. time to adapt. right now it isn't a good decision without a major pc game backing the whole thing up.
the problem is, that she is indeed posting here and there about some switch bugs and subsequently gets attacked due to unresolved DI/D3/D4/BlizzCon issues which are still present. if she were truly silent whilst taking feedback, this whole pit of clowns would eat themselves and hate the franchise forever. blizzard, doing the math, accepts a few hundredthousands as a casualty but has millions upon millions of MAUs in the future.
they couldn't care less.
and i think this will dawn on a lot of people in the coming weeks. despite all the ruckus, we will be abandoned. we won't be heard anymore. DI forums will be full of angry d1-d3 players whom will be heavily moderated out of this world, that will die down. metacritic will see a massive spike of negativity on the first listing of DI, that will die down. then there will be silence up until the first glimpse of some majestic d4 footage and many will come back. blizzard will be best boy.
a bit terrifying, to say the least. no community should be treated this way and this is also one of the concerns of the CM. but, like you said, how would anyone get this child out of the well? what can nev post to soothe this? i wouldn't even know by now.
Targeting specific employees by name should be unacceptable and unforgivable. Blizzard as a company made the decisions regarding Immortal, not Nevalistis, and not any other single employee.
Since the average Diablo player is old enough to have played at least 2 of the games, were talking about people in their mid 20s at least, and frankly those few people in their mid-20s unable to understand the basics of job description would also be unable to understand how a computer works, so we ALL have enough intelligence to understand the separation between company and employee responsibility. Its not fucking rocket-science, whether you like her or not Nevalistis is employed to inform, spin and hype. So to those attacking her personally, take a break from the pathetic impotent keyboard warrior trolling, and allow that testosterone high from your perceived personal sleight to dissipate then maybe you can think clearly enough to take part in a conversation that leads to something constructive rather than just seeking support for your own false-convictions.
you are totally right and i would count the lazy pun as more of a friendly jab. but the rest i've said isn't against the devs. it isn't against nevalistis. it IS against the community manager job. that job is done poorly, very poorly. the CM is the liaison between the playerbase and whatever is on blizzards side.
- we have five posts on May 1.
- two posts on May 2.
+ 28 days +
- one post on May 30.
+ 70 days +
- two posts on Aug 8, the day of the hype video.
+ 54 days +
- one post on Oct 1.
+ 37 days +
- two posts. one generic about forum stuff, one is the quick word from blizzard
when i look at blues from WoW.. yeah, we have a very inactive CM position. again, it is the CM and not the person. if the CM isn't given anything to work with, the CM cannot post it. should the CM engage more, especially after this blizzcon? what do you think? should the CM try to fan the flames somehow, anyhow? at least SOMEHOW give us the feeling that this isn't the light at the end of the tunnel? or worse, the light from a brighter, more mobile future as it is..
i don't have anything against her. but reading about one MVP from 2013 who broke into tears and who knows as much as we do is really gruesome. not standing by the community isn't very nice in these trying times. i think we all would like to hear something. taking our feedback over the last years did nothing, maybe we could be provided with any info about multiple projects? at this point, even the smallest morsels seem to be nice..
speaking of witch (pun, you know): is this how it is going to be? they absolutely alienate their playerbase "PC" at blizzcon to merge "PC" with "MOBILE" on the day of the release for more "CONSOLE" (funny thing is, that DI won't run on a mobile platform like the switch), only to find themselves get shat on, have their stocks crash and thousands of diablo players only want answers or at the very least some communication.
instead of going into full damage recovery, they let aforementioned CM brood over an answer to the community for three full days and let her release a weak "we hear you". they still want feedback on top of the past three years of feedback after RoS went stale and *poof* she vanishes. her post history as a blue CM is strange indeed, after may 2018 you barely get one page worthy of replies to any matters (including someone asking where the blues are):
so, the backlash came and went. it is still burning, no one is talking and blizzards conference call sends more mobile signs. if everybody would stop being angry with blizzard at this point, nothing would happen until DI release. they would just be happy that all the anger died down. is this really the way you want to solve this situation? is this everything we get TWELVE DAYS after blizzcon?
oh and let us not forget this great picture floating around where netease tells blizzard how they should monetize DI:
if it is the same as with every other game with stacking item upgrades, you would then buy your upgrades with a chance of failure which can be lowered with store-bought items. it is not set in stone that this will come to pass in the western markets, but it speaks volumes.
where are we at now, don't we deserve anything anymore?
you know, corporate people like CMs have to follow company line. when activision dictates that diablo immortal sings in your hands and that you forget that you are on mobile, than that is the thing you live by.
me, personally? being a CM and seeing this abomination? i would have no part in it, especially if i knew what we as players know from other netease games. my CV would list that i had a CM job at blizzard and i am sure i would get that same job at another good company. i couldn't betray myself that much that i would act like i would like this big project reveal on the fucking mythic stage of a blizzcon.
head0r, its a sensible stance to take.... in a perfect world, but this isnt a perfect world and this disgusting mob of bandwagon jumping, immaturity, and toxic part-time keyboard warriors that likes to think of itself as part of the wider more level-headed community are all too happy to disregard the fact that this is indeed just one of a number of projects, would you still be so keen to jump ship if you also had full knowledge and experience of the other games that were in development?
Because yes i agree Immortal alone might, MIGHT (if i was holding the CM position) have me looking for a different position, but it isnt alone, and at this point, work on new games is confirmed, and in those circumstances im not so sure this is something worth resigning over. For me its more a chance for someone much higher and more representative of Blizzard as a whole to step forward. make the necessary apology and follow it up with some genuine, tangible restraint and reigning in of the companys ego, which at this moment in time is talking a much better game than it is actually creating, since reskin remaster and rebrand is all thats on offer.
Nick, if you were trying to link something, it didnt work.
we don't know and it isn't confirmed that there is a "real" diablo game in the works. we know of a d4 rumour, we know of the rumour two game directors they already went through and with that the two alleged reboots. therefore we can assume that a new, "real" diablo game won't hit us until at least 2022. 2024 would be more realistic if we extend the timeline of D3 announcement and release by two plausible years.
that is six years from now on, IF they can re-staff enough and IF they manage to attach some new good names for a rather hated-upon franchise at the moment. who wants to be the successor of 'fuck that loser' wilson and 'we LOVE diablo' cheng?
also, these "projects" they talk about? comics got cancelled, book delayed (cancelled too?), netflix series maybe in the works. what if all this stuff postpones d4 announcement to the 25th anniversary and release to the 30th? hopefully they return to d3 for a change and develop ANYTHING in this wreck.
you know, corporate people like CMs have to follow company line. when activision dictates that diablo immortal sings in your hands and that you forget that you are on mobile, than that is the thing you live by.
me, personally? being a CM and seeing this abomination? i would have no part in it, especially if i knew what we as players know from other netease games. my CV would list that i had a CM job at blizzard and i am sure i would get that same job at another good company. i couldn't betray myself that much that i would act like i would like this big project reveal on the fucking mythic stage of a blizzcon.
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as paradox as it now is, i even would have welcomed some mobile diablo action from netease probably without any afterthought if blizzard would've shown d4 before / after. really strange when you look at it now.
exactly. i enjoy a few mobile games regularly in intervals of about four hours for a few minutes. but nothing beats climbing on the gaming throne and firing up the gaming rig.
if the whole market was mobile and blizzard would defiantly stand against it with diablo - okay. time to adapt. right now it isn't a good decision without a major pc game backing the whole thing up.
the problem is, that she is indeed posting here and there about some switch bugs and subsequently gets attacked due to unresolved DI/D3/D4/BlizzCon issues which are still present. if she were truly silent whilst taking feedback, this whole pit of clowns would eat themselves and hate the franchise forever. blizzard, doing the math, accepts a few hundredthousands as a casualty but has millions upon millions of MAUs in the future.
they couldn't care less.
and i think this will dawn on a lot of people in the coming weeks. despite all the ruckus, we will be abandoned. we won't be heard anymore. DI forums will be full of angry d1-d3 players whom will be heavily moderated out of this world, that will die down. metacritic will see a massive spike of negativity on the first listing of DI, that will die down. then there will be silence up until the first glimpse of some majestic d4 footage and many will come back. blizzard will be best boy.
a bit terrifying, to say the least. no community should be treated this way and this is also one of the concerns of the CM. but, like you said, how would anyone get this child out of the well? what can nev post to soothe this? i wouldn't even know by now.
you are totally right and i would count the lazy pun as more of a friendly jab. but the rest i've said isn't against the devs. it isn't against nevalistis. it IS against the community manager job. that job is done poorly, very poorly. the CM is the liaison between the playerbase and whatever is on blizzards side.
- we have five posts on May 1.
- two posts on May 2.
+ 28 days +
- one post on May 30.
+ 70 days +
- two posts on Aug 8, the day of the hype video.
+ 54 days +
- one post on Oct 1.
+ 37 days +
- two posts. one generic about forum stuff, one is the quick word from blizzard
when i look at blues from WoW.. yeah, we have a very inactive CM position. again, it is the CM and not the person. if the CM isn't given anything to work with, the CM cannot post it. should the CM engage more, especially after this blizzcon? what do you think? should the CM try to fan the flames somehow, anyhow? at least SOMEHOW give us the feeling that this isn't the light at the end of the tunnel? or worse, the light from a brighter, more mobile future as it is..
i don't have anything against her. but reading about one MVP from 2013 who broke into tears and who knows as much as we do is really gruesome. not standing by the community isn't very nice in these trying times. i think we all would like to hear something. taking our feedback over the last years did nothing, maybe we could be provided with any info about multiple projects? at this point, even the smallest morsels seem to be nice..
speaking of witch (pun, you know): is this how it is going to be? they absolutely alienate their playerbase "PC" at blizzcon to merge "PC" with "MOBILE" on the day of the release for more "CONSOLE" (funny thing is, that DI won't run on a mobile platform like the switch), only to find themselves get shat on, have their stocks crash and thousands of diablo players only want answers or at the very least some communication.
instead of going into full damage recovery, they let aforementioned CM brood over an answer to the community for three full days and let her release a weak "we hear you". they still want feedback on top of the past three years of feedback after RoS went stale and *poof* she vanishes. her post history as a blue CM is strange indeed, after may 2018 you barely get one page worthy of replies to any matters (including someone asking where the blues are):
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/d3/search?a=Nevalistis
so, the backlash came and went. it is still burning, no one is talking and blizzards conference call sends more mobile signs. if everybody would stop being angry with blizzard at this point, nothing would happen until DI release. they would just be happy that all the anger died down. is this really the way you want to solve this situation? is this everything we get TWELVE DAYS after blizzcon?
oh and let us not forget this great picture floating around where netease tells blizzard how they should monetize DI:
if it is the same as with every other game with stacking item upgrades, you would then buy your upgrades with a chance of failure which can be lowered with store-bought items. it is not set in stone that this will come to pass in the western markets, but it speaks volumes.
where are we at now, don't we deserve anything anymore?
we don't know and it isn't confirmed that there is a "real" diablo game in the works. we know of a d4 rumour, we know of the rumour two game directors they already went through and with that the two alleged reboots. therefore we can assume that a new, "real" diablo game won't hit us until at least 2022. 2024 would be more realistic if we extend the timeline of D3 announcement and release by two plausible years.
that is six years from now on, IF they can re-staff enough and IF they manage to attach some new good names for a rather hated-upon franchise at the moment. who wants to be the successor of 'fuck that loser' wilson and 'we LOVE diablo' cheng?
also, these "projects" they talk about? comics got cancelled, book delayed (cancelled too?), netflix series maybe in the works. what if all this stuff postpones d4 announcement to the 25th anniversary and release to the 30th? hopefully they return to d3 for a change and develop ANYTHING in this wreck.
you know, corporate people like CMs have to follow company line. when activision dictates that diablo immortal sings in your hands and that you forget that you are on mobile, than that is the thing you live by.
me, personally? being a CM and seeing this abomination? i would have no part in it, especially if i knew what we as players know from other netease games. my CV would list that i had a CM job at blizzard and i am sure i would get that same job at another good company. i couldn't betray myself that much that i would act like i would like this big project reveal on the fucking mythic stage of a blizzcon.